Enslaving Yeast – All Grain Beer Part 2 – Bittering agents

Time to move on to the next part of brewing: bittering agents.  The oldest known bittering agents were herb blends (the most famous being gruit), the modern bittering agent of choice is hops.  The herbal beers are still being made today (but not a lot of it) by some of the American craft brewers looking to revive old styles and flavors. There’s lots of options for brewing with herbs instead of hops, here’s an article that talks about the various herbs, and how to use them.

We’re in the modern age now, which in the beer making world means almost a thousand years of history.  So that means hops are the primary bittering agent. The bittering component of the hops is known as Alpha Acids, and any hops you buy from the homebrew shop will have an AA% on them.  These get measured in a final beer by a scale called IBU (International Bittering Units). IBU’s aren’t the final determination in how bitter a beer tastes though, as that will depend on the residual (or non-fermentable) sugars left in the beer.

If you’re looking to replicate a recipe exactly, the AA% will be important to you.  Most recipes will have the variety of hops, listed with an AAU number. That number is just the AA% times the weight in ounces.  So, for an AAU of 30, you would need two ounces of 15 AA% hops.

Hops add a lot more flavors then just bitterness, and these flavors can lend themselves to different styles.  One way of classifying hops is by the most frequent use for them:

  • Bittering – These are hops that are being used primarily for their AA% and to bitter the beer, they will be added at the beginning of the boil, and be boiled for 45 minutes or more.  This will drive out most of the flavor and aromatic components of the hop.
  • Flavor – These are hops that are used with 30 – 15 minutes or so of time remaining in the boil.  These will add some flavor, but most of the aroma notes from the hops will be driven off.
  • Aroma – These are hops added towards the end of the boil, or even after the boil has ended (either in a whirlpool or through dry hopping).  These will add little to no bitterness, but will retain all of their aroma and flavor notes.

Another type of hops are the Noble hops.  This is a special category of four different varieties of hops (Hallertau, Saaz, Spalt, and Tettnang).  The term just came into being in the past couple of decades, and the hops from their original regions are generally in high demand. These classifications are more of guidelines, as any hop can be a bittering hop if enough of it is used, and some bittering hops have some very good flavor and aroma notes.  Hops can have a wide variety of flavors, with the most common being: earthy, pine, citrus, spice, grapefruit, and tropical fruit.

Another use for hops is dry hopping.  This is when hops are added to the beer after the yeast has been pitched, and will add no bitterness, but will add tons of aroma.  There are even some beers being released now called 0 IBU beers where all of the hops are added at the beers flameout, or used as dry hops.

New and experimental hops are being cultivated every year for new characteristics, such as disease resistance, flavor, and high alpha acid percentage.  These are generally released in small batches to breweries and home brew shops. At this point they’ll generally have letters and/or a number to identify them, only getting a name when they go into wide scale production.

If you say you don’t like hops, it can help to learn the varieties so you can learn which ones you don’t like.  There are also several hops that can add negative qualities to beer if used with too heavy of a hand (garlic, catty, vegetal, etc.).  Good brewers will avoid this, but not all breweries use good brewers.

Comments

319 responses to “Enslaving Yeast – All Grain Beer Part 2 – Bittering agents”

  1. Spudalicious

    Just don’t get a yeast infection.

    1. Spudalicious

      First. Now I’ll go read the article.

    2. Nephilium

      Yeast is the next write up by the way.

      1. Galt1138

        That’s one I’m really interested in. Different yeast strains can really change how your beer turns out.

        I’ve barely scratched the surface on yeast knowledge when it come to homebrewing. Hoping to learn more from your next post.

        Thanks for these!

  2. Yusef drives a Kia

    Real good post M. I learn more every Sunday!

  3. Spudalicious

    Thanks for the write up. I love the complexity you can get just by how you use one ingredient in different ways.

    Idaho is apparently good for growing hops. There are tens of thousands of acres of hop fields in the state.

    1. Nephilium

      Washington (specifically the Yakima Valley) is another great area for American hops. There’s also a brewing method called SMASH, which stands for Single Malt And Single Hop. It’s a really useful thing to do when you get access to a new (diastatic) malt or a new hop.

    2. Galt1138

      Yep. Some great hops being grown in the American northwest. I make no apologies for being a hophead. But, it’s got to be balanced – mouthfeel, finish, body – all should factor in when thinking about the experience of tasting your beer.

      As always, remember Charlie Papazian’s advice: “Relax, and have a homebrew.”

  4. Ownbestenemy

    ROBC…reverse sear is just as it implies…I’ll slow smoke the steak to a medium rare and then sear it…just reverse the process while smoking the meat.

    1. juris imprudent

      I’ve got a prime rib in the oven the old-fashioned way. Picked it up half-price at the local market the other day. I was thinking of doing it on the Traeger but decided it wasn’t nice enough outside for that.

      1. Ownbestenemy

        That sounds good. I’m re-thinking my smoke since it’s supposed to be gusty tomorrow

  5. Lackadaisical

    I think I dislike noble hops. May have to do more’ research’.

    1. Urthona

      Too inbred.

    2. So you prefer ignoble hops?

    3. Not Adahn

      America was founded on the principle of doing away with nobility.

      1. CPRM

        But for some reason we let those damn noble gasses stick around!

  6. Lackadaisical

    OT: Do you charge interest when making a loan through kiva?

    1. MikeS

      As I understand it, some of the people “on the ground” who disperse the loans will charge interest. Investors don’t get interest. As an investor, the most you get back is the amount you loaned.

      1. Lackadaisical

        You guys are the worst libertarians ever.

  7. Nephilium

    Hope you enjoyed this all, I’m off to the local dive bar to see if the local team can break OMWC spirit today. I’ll try to pop in from time to time to see if there are any questions.

    1. DEG

      Yes, it has been a good series. Have fun!

    2. Old Man With Candy

      Wishing you the worst of luck!

      1. Nephilium

        I bet you would feel better if the Stillers weren’t paying the Bengals.

        1. Old Man With Candy

          Ben’s pick six was a nice start.

          1. Eagles up 10, Minnesota trailing by 13.

          2. Nephilium

            Damn. This has turned into a game. God speed OMWC.

    3. Galt1138

      Really enjoyed it!

      Brewing is such a rich topic. Most people don’t realize beer has been around at least as long as wine, possible longer.

  8. MikeS

    Another nice installment, Nephi’. I’m going to make one reference document out of all of them when you are done.

    1. Nephilium

      If you want a really deep dive, there’s the Brewing Elements series from the Brewer’s Association. Brush up on your chemistry before diving into them.

      1. MikeS

        Yikes! After so long of a hiatus, I need something more simple like what you and Kinnath are putting here…and my copy of How To Brew.

        1. Nephilium

          I’ve got all four of the books. I made it through Malt, and I’m about halfway through Water. They are not books to sit and relax with a beer.

  9. MikeS

    Sorry to go OT Nephi’, but I need help and don’t want to wait until the evening post.

    Back a while ago, someone(s) here recommended a free software(s) to help recover data off damaged hard drives. I’m finally getting around to trying to recover a couple HD’s I’ve had laying around. I thought I downloaded said software, but I guess not.

    Can I get those recommendations again? Thanks!

    1. l0b0t

      My standby software is File Scavenger from Quetek. Their website looks like it is from 1998 but the software is fantastic; I’ve been using it successfully for a good 15 years now.

      1. MikeS

        Thanks. I was thinking someone linked a free one, but maybe not. From my internet searching, $57 for File Scavenger would be one of the cheaper ones.

        Since I didn’t get any quick answers, I went with Recuva. (LONG time CCleaner user and didn’t even realize they had this software) It seems to be working, although I’m sure I had more music files on one drive than it is finding. I started over and did a deep scan, we’ll see what that finds. (it’s been at it for 3 hours now and the estimated remaining scan time is 14 hours!)

        1. l0b0t

          Never tried Recuva but I likewise have been using CCleaner for for quite a spell with no complaints. Actually one complaint; it seems that the latest update removed the option to delete the Windows.old file that is generated every time Windows upgrades a build. The deep scan takes forever but it finds everything. The last drive I did was 3tb that had about 5tb worth of files recovered because it finds all of thew deleted stuff as well. Good luck and I’m sorry you need to use it.

  10. CPRM

    Legends of the Fall is on, damn that movie is libertarian as hell.

    1. Suthenboy

      Favorite scene: Ranch hand calmly and deliberately uses a 50 cal Sharps at 500ish yards to take revenge on a thug for killing his daughter.

    2. CPRM

      The movie after that was Pale Rider, damn, that’s a good double header.

      1. OneOut

        Pale rider was/is the nuts.

      2. juris imprudent

        One of Mrs. Imprudent’s favorites: “preacher”.

      3. Galt1138

        Both excellent movies. Only issue I have with LEGENDS OF THE FALL is the silly way the *SPOILER* end scene with the bear was shot. Unintentionally funny.

        Ed Zwick directed some solid movies, GLORY being probably his best.

  11. CPRM

    I’ve had chili on the stove for 4hrs, damn it’s gonna be good when I finally get hungry.

    1. MikeS

      Wife just made french freedom toast, scrambled eggs, bacon and sausage. All smothered in real maple syrup from Michigan. Heaven.

      1. CPRM

        Not a fan of frenched toast nor maple syrup, but the other stuff sounds good as long as the eggs had some peppers and onions in it.

  12. kinnath

    Another nice article.

  13. Fourscore

    Makes me (almost) wish I hadn’t stopped drinking

    1. CPRM

      I can’t imagine life without drinking, but I also can’t imagine making it to your age, you probably made better decisions than me.

      1. Fourscore

        …but then we see the TX vet of 112 that liked his cigars and cold one so who knows?…

        1. CPRM

          It’s weird that most people devolve back to kids in old age. When I was taking care of my grandma when she was 87, she was on blood thinners and wasn’t supposed to drink. She would give me big puppy dog eyes ‘can’t I have just one beer?’ My uncle who is 88 now just wants cookies and candy.

          1. Suthenboy

            That’s not weird at all. After you have done everything there is to do you just want a warm fire and a whiskey. Or, if you have bad taste, a beer. You dont want some jerk 1/4 your age telling you what you can have and cant have.

          2. Sean

            At 87, can I have cookies with my whiskey?

          3. OneOut

            There are more old drunks than there are old doctors.

            /Willie

          4. CPRM

            The doctor that delivered me (who went out for a smoke in the lounge with my dad after the delivery) is still around and practicing at a free clinic, he must be about 95 now.

          5. Nephilium

            What about those of us who like both beer and whisk(e)y?

          6. Galt1138

            Suthenboy, I’ll try to ignore your dig at beer – in a post about brewing, no less – and simply appreciate and agree with the rest of your sound comment.

  14. Suthenboy

    Hamburgers tonight.
    patties: 80% lean beef mixed with finely chopped sweet onion and pickled jalepenos and garlic
    Toasted buns, mayo, mustard, onion, tomato, pepperjack cheese, lettuce, dill pickle, salt and black pepper.
    Food of the gods.
    I cant understand how people outside the US screw this up, but they damned sure do.

    1. Suthenboy

      Oh, and the tomato is thin sliced and doused with salt, pepper and basil.

      1. CPRM

        My chili with seranos, jalapenos and habeneros is still cooking on the stove. about 6hrs now. gonna be good when I finally get hungry. (somehow I’m a fat fuck when these are my eating habits, must be all the beer)

        1. Sean

          Chocolate habaneros > Regular habaneros.

          #chilihead

          1. CPRM

            Hot peppers are expensive #livinginTheFrozenTundra

          2. Sean

            I have a co-worker who hooks me up with a wide variety of hot to super hot chilis. He’s great. ?

        2. Tulip

          I still need to make candied jalapenos. When I get back from my next trip.

          1. MikeS

            Keep a close eye on them when they are close to done so you don’t burn them!

            *spoken from sad experience*

          2. Tulip

            Will do. I’m thinking of a post on condiments, like these, or pickled cabbage or caramelized onions, etc.

          3. MikeS

            Would read

        3. Chipping Pioneer

          Sounds muy piquante.

          Next Saturday is bean-free venison and moose chili here.

          1. OneOut

            Bean free…chili..

            Redundant

      2. Chipping Pioneer

        Nice. Will try this. Maybe get the wife to like tomatoes, but I think it’s a texture thing for her.

        1. Sean

          Pico de gallo as a gateway drug…err..food?

          1. Chipping Pioneer

            Yeah, she’s good with that. But a big slice of raw tomato is a no go for her.

        2. Suthenboy

          Grow your own tomatoes, let them ripen on the bush. Slice them and spice with salt, pepper, basil, a slice of cheddar and a thin sliced pickled jalepeno.
          Your wife will be in love with tomato.

          1. Tulip

            One thing money can’t buy, home grown tomatoes. There’s no substitute.

          2. Rhywun

            That’s not going to happen so I guess it’s a good thing I already love tomatoes.

          3. Chipping Pioneer

            This is true. I’ve said it here before … storebought tomatoes are ass.

          4. Chipping Pioneer

            *Looks outside*

            I’ll have to wait a few months.

      3. Galt1138

        That sounds fantastic (apart from the dill pickle. I’ve never gotten past my childhood distaste for those).

    2. Sean

      Artisanal mayo?

      Suthen is a secret hipster?

      I’m so confused.

      1. MikeS

        Is it possible to be a hipster if you are over ~35?

        1. Sean

          Sure. Just add skinny jeans and a pork pie hat.

          1. Galt1138

            My wife, whom I love dearly, tried to get me to wear skinny jeans. Mind you, we met when I was 41.

            I made it very clear that it will be a cold day in hell before I ever wear skinny jeans.

      2. Suthenboy

        I guess I need to grow a beard.

          1. Suthenboy

            Gack!
            They even have a newsletter and a dozen related products.
            Their customers aren’t self-absorbed at all. No sir.

    3. A friend of mine turned me on to grinding my own. I borrowed a recipe of his that I only do once in a while so that my heart has time to recover. About 2/3 chuck, 1/3 bacon, give or take, and you wind up with the juiciest burgers you’ll ever have. Consume with red wine and aspirin just to be safe. The challenge is to not go too far overboard with the bacon, because you still want to land in the 20% – 25% fat area or else you end up with a greasy, crumbly mess.

    1. Suthenboy

      Older? She looks prime to me.

      1. CPRM

        Well, she was 15 in 85 when Pale Rider came out, and I was 2, so for me, yes ‘older’.

        1. CPRM

          Ooo, that’s about the same difference as my current probable mistake. That end of the year push to do something stupid might just push that over the edge.

          1. So you’re dating someone who’s legal.

          2. CPRM

            Well, I’m not dating her, yet. She is legal, but she’s only a year older than my oldest niece, hence the hesitation.

        2. Galt1138

          Well, she’s my age. So, I’m fine with that.

    2. Fourscore

      Never get too old to enjoy looking at the ladies. At least I hope I never get that old.

    3. Galt1138

      Wow. Would.

  15. Tulip

    I asked as the other thread was dying, so I’ll ask again. Anyone in the Atlanta area? I’ll be there later this week. Any restaurant recommendations?

    1. Sean

      ⬅ North of Philly suburbs. Sorry, not any help.

      1. Timeloose

        Bucks county or Allentown?

        1. Sean

          Upper Bucks.

          1. DEG

            I have family there. I grew up northwest of Philly.

          2. Sean

            I’m in Q’town.

          3. CPRM

            I’m in G’town.

          4. DEG

            My relatives in Quakertown I don’t know all that well.

            I remember more than a few trips to the Q-Mart, which I see is still open unlike Zern’s.

          5. Is that where all the boobs are?

          6. Sean

            @DEG Qmart is doing ok, and what happened to Zerns sucks.

            Be sure to say hi if you’re in the area.

          7. DEG

            I’m not surprised about what happened to Zern’s.

            The owner stopped caring and the land is too valuable to keep a run-down market open. I don’t know if they ripped it down yet. I know there was talk of putting in condos on the land.

            I used to know a couple of people that got a start on their business by renting a table in the old flea-market part of Zern’s.

            Next time I’m down I’ll post before I head down. The two times I was down last Fall I was busy with funeral stuff and family/friends visiting.

        2. DEG

          I like Heritage Guild’s Easton store. Until it closed, I stopped in at the Tilted Kilt Allentown a few times on my way back to New England from visiting relatives.

    2. CPRM

      Just checked, there are some Culver’s outside the city proper. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Culver’s.

    3. Lackadaisical

      I was there last month. Seems to be devoid of glibs, and good food was not discovered. Have fun.

    4. MikeS

      My step-daughter and her husband live there. I’ll ask them for recommendations. They’ve been their less than a year, so not sure how much help they’ll be.

      Any certain kinds of food you’re hoping to find?

      1. Tulip

        No specific cuisine, just downtown. Think foody. And thank you.

        1. MikeS

          Never got a reply. I’m sure they’ll get back to me tomorrow. I’ll let you know when I hear something.

      2. The Bearded Hobbit

        Southern?

        1. MikeS

          Never know…thought I’d ask.

          1. The Bearded Hobbit

            Being my normal butt-head.

          2. MikeS

            Yeah. It actually cracked me up.

      1. Sean

        Their photo page is kinda sparse…
        ?

        1. I’m sure the photos on the front page aren’t of the regular clientele.

      2. Tulip

        Not my scene, but thanks. It could be funny to recommend to a certain asshole colleague.

        1. Sean

          That could backfire. Just sayin…

          Lilith Fair tickets on sale for 2019 yet?

          1. Tulip

            Yeah, I’m not going to do that.

          2. Sean

            I had a girl take me to a lilith fair concert once. Very weird. Didn’t get any…

          3. Count Potato

            Because she was a lesbian?

  16. Eagles did their part; can Chicago stop the Minnesota team from getting two TDs in the final three minutes?

    1. And Minnesota officially fail.

      Now for Cleveland to get a game-winning FG. Don’t want to see Ty Montgomery in the playoffs.

      1. CPRM

        Meh, got nothing against Ty. He shouldn’t have ever been a tailback, and then when there were healthy tailbacks McCarthy doubling down on his stupid decision should have been the end.

        1. He should have taken a fucking knee in the endzone and let Rodgers drive for a game winning FG against the Rams.

          1. CPRM

            By all accounts I heard he only did that because he wanted to ‘prove’ his talent, which wouldn’t have been an issue if McCarthy were a good coach. so meh.

          2. My understanding is pretty much everybody was telling him to take a knee.

            Well, maybe not Zook, who wasn’t doing any actual coaching.

          3. CPRM

            Well, yeah, he was told to take a knee, but he felt a need to ‘show his talent’ because McCarthy kept stroking his ego after the failed switch to tailback in an emergency that McCarthy for some reason made permanent.

      2. creech

        Looks like Cleveland let down the Steelers fans for a change.

    1. CPRM

      I like his vids, but damn how many vids I could have made over the last year if I was just making fun of other videos instead of making my own cartoons.

      1. DEG

        Lots. He can be quite prolific at times.

      2. MikeS

        Then do it.

      1. Spudalicious

        This gal was in both of yesterday’s lists. That’s about as close to perfection as you can get.

    1. Chafed

      Holy guacamole!

    2. Not an Economist

      Model, 17 years old, named most beautiful girl in the world — for the second time. First time when she was an OMWC approved 6 years old.

      1. Rhywun

        Thylane walked for Jean Paul Gaultier at the age of four

        Uh…

      2. Akira

        Eh, she’s alright.

        My preferences trend towards more “average” girls; even those that many would consider to be “chubby”.

        I especially don’t like that vacant, dead-eyed stare she has in the first picture. Zero personality at all. I want to see them smiling, having fun, being sexy, etc.

      3. Solid 8. Not saying I wouldn’t… but I’ve slept with women I consider better looking than her. Maybe my tastes are odd or something.

        1. Galt1138

          No, I agree with you, Q.

          She’s definitely pretty. But, Akira’s correct. Too much “look at how sexy and sultry I am for this robotic, vacant stare” BS. That style of photographing women is so fucking tiresome.

    3. Galt1138

      Holy cow. That brunette is a damn near perfect physical specimen.

  17. Chafed

    I saw Baltimore won so they secured a wild card spot. If OMWC stayed up to see the game then I hope SP has one of her rusty can lids handy to fend him off.

    1. Nephilium

      Meh. I blame the bad call (that was overturned) on the fumble recovery. Then spotting it at the 6 yard line. But the Browns were only playing for the first winning season in over a decade, not a playoff berth.

  18. Spudalicious

    Pan seared chicken breast with a pan reduction sauce alongside sautéed vegetables with garlic and basil. SN Celebration Ale on the side. About the healthiest I’ve eaten in a week.

    1. Galt1138

      Excellent dinner, and a great beer choice.

  19. straffinrun

    I’m stuck at home this New Year’s eve. Wife and daughter not feeling well. Guess we’ll see what’s happening later tonight at Glibs and hopefully you all will keep me entertained as usual. Kompai!

    1. Rhywun

      When I wake up tomorrow morning I expect a full report from the world of the future. Are there flying cars in 2019 etc.

        1. Rhywun

          I always totally wanted to live in Futurama. Minus the crushing totalitarian bureaucracy, I suppose.

          1. Chafed

            Nixon’s head FTW.

    2. Nephilium

      I tasked the girlfriend to find somewhere to go this year (last time we went downtown, the surge pricing on Lyft/Uber made a usual $20 ride home over $100). She has failed to find anything, so we may hit up Fat Head’s for lunch (they’ve got a couple of seasonal beers I want to try that are supposed to be gone in January) and then drinking at home.

      1. CPRM

        have a car? That would solve that ‘problem’

        1. Nephilium

          I’ve got a car, and I’ve gotten picked up for an OVI (what most states call a DUI). As there will be checkpoints all around the downtown area, I’ll just avoid the driving and getting arrested again.

      2. Rhywun

        I’m at the point where “going out” had better be pretty damn special before I put up with all the hassles again.

        1. MikeS

          #metoo. Especially NYE; no way I’m going out on Amateur Night without a very good reason.

          1. Rhywun

            Well I was specifically referring to NYE but yeah I’m kind of a homebody anyway.

          2. straffinrun

            I enjoy eating a feast at the in laws and drinking Kinpaku on NYE. Can’t this year. Too bad because there may not be too many left given their age and health history.

          3. Nephilium

            St. Patrick’s Day is the true Amateur day here in Cleveland. You’ll see people doing shots of whiskey at 09:00, and then passing out in the street at noon. And some of them will be members of the bands you’re going to see (Boys From County Hell and the Prodigals have free shows all day long on St. Patrick’s Day).

        2. Count Potato

          I used to go out on NYE all the time. Now, I don’t bother.

      3. Spudalicious

        We stopped going out on NYE years ago. Too much stupidity out there and I can serve up food and booze to rival some of the best restaurants.

        1. straffinrun

          It’s a young, single man’s game. It wasn’t even fish in a barrel easy when I first got here. Christmas is for lovers and New Years is for family. If you meet a girl that is out with a friend or two on NYE, you can bet that she’s not on the greatest terms with her family. Depressing if you think about it too much, but when your a young guy you can ignore it.

      4. Galt1138

        My wife, stepson and I will happily be spending New Year’s Eve at home. Grilling filet mignon, shrimp, and some chicken. Wife makes great homemade mashed potatoes. Freshly shredded parmigiano reggiano on steamed broccoli. Finish it off with my wife’s fantastic Filipino flan recipe.

        Of course, all of the above will be paired with great beer (one of which, I’m not so humble to say, is of my own making. A stout at a drinkable but still potent 7.5% ABV).

        1. Old Man With Candy

          How many Filipinos do you use for the flan?

      5. Galt1138

        My wife, stepson and I will happily be spending New Year’s Eve at home.

        I’m grilling filet mignon, shrimp, and chicken. Side dishes will be my wife’s excellent mashed potatoes, steamed broccoli with shaved Parmigiano Reggiano cheese, followed by my wife’s amazing Filipino flan recipe.

        All of the above will be paired with excellent beer (one of which, I’m not so humble to admit, is a fine stout my buddy and I brewed – at a drinkable but still potent 7.5% ABV).

    3. Gustave Lytton

      New Tora-San coming out next year. Not sure how it’s going to work since kiyoshi atumi died twenty years ago but is set to stare in it.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_Back_Tora-san!

      1. straffinrun

        Cool. That link is Tora-san perfect.

        1. Gustave Lytton

          F me.

          try again

          1. Gustave Lytton

            Nope. I think I’ve figured my linking problem. iPad is using the fancy quotes and it doesn’t work with href quotes.

          2. straffinrun

            No problem. I think it’s the ghost of Tora san past fucking with us.

          3. straffinrun

            Bonus link: Tora san sets up a street side stand to sell his junk. Guard comes up to him and tells him he needs permission. Tora san tells him that he won’t get laid with a face like that. “Now get lost” and shoos the guard away.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wpNbYy8myrE

    4. Count Potato

      Apparently, there was no 8 PM post. Anyway, it won’t be NYE here until tomorrow.

  20. Rhywun

    SRSLY? Just saw a Росси́я fan wearing an CCCP hockey jersey. “It’s kitschy!”

    1. CPRM

      You gays talk funny.

    2. Chafed

      For the unsophisticated among us *looks around nervously* does that mean a Poland fan?

      1. Rhywun

        Russia.

        Stupid Swiss missed a double penalty shot (!) and seem to have given up about a period ago.

  21. CPRM

    After 8hrs of simmering, finally eating my chilli, damn it’s good. Also, I’m drunk.

    1. Rhywun

      ?

      I’m going to slow cook some beef bourguignon tomorrow if I remember to pick up some carrots and mushrooms.

      1. Count Potato

        I made fricando for Christmas. It was good.

        1. Rhywun

          *googles* That looks tasty too

      2. Nephilium

        I grabbed some chicken and pork chops to cook over the next couple of days. I’ll be testing out the sous vide style for both, especially after the pork tenderloin came out so well.

    2. Ownbestenemy

      All-day chilli is where it’s at. All the ingredients melding together to perfection.

  22. Count Potato

    “Woman shot dead by Calgary police on Christmas ‘was like a Disney princess,’ say friends

    “Stacey always had a good heart. It was hard for her, but she was doing her best … She was trying very hard to get through all of that.”

    Church said after Perry left the rehabilitation facility, she was continuing academic studies in medical office administration.

    Perry was a woman who would panic when addiction got the best of her, Church said, adding he believes that’s what may have caused Perry’s flight from police, leading to her eventual death.

    “That panic could take several forms; it would cause her to run away from a situation,” said Church. “It wouldn’t happen often, but that panic would set in.”

    “(The day she was shot) she may have undoubtedly had a bad time, or bad episode or somebody threatened her or did something to her to cause her to panic,” he said. “It would probably give her the fight or flight reflexes and when she became distressed, she didn’t always make the best decisions.””

    https://calgarysun.com/news/crime/woman-shot-dead-by-calgary-police-on-christmas-was-like-a-disney-princess

    “She speeds through Calgary streets, totally wasted; endangers people on Christmas in residential neighbourhoods; tries to kill a police officer with her car – and she’s called a “Disney princess” in a headline. Seriously.”

    https://twitter.com/kinsellawarren/status/1079387804784676865

    Well, it’s not like she was some black guy.

    1. Gustave Lytton

      was like a Disney princess

      Snow White?

      1. hayeksplosives

        The Long-Sleeping Beauty?

        1. Count Potato

          Does whacked out on xanax and Crown Royal count as sleeping?

          1. CPRM

            I hope so, otherwise I haven’t slept in 20 years.

          2. Spudalicious

            Isn’t that called “Friday Night”?

    2. Gustave Lytton

      I’m sure medical office admin is a viable career path for an addict.

    3. CPRM

      Canuck lives don’t matter.

  23. hayeksplosives

    Adam Vinatieri is in-freaking-believable.

    46 years old, sporting a white beard, just kicked a 53 yard field goal with room to spare.

    He’d better end up in the HoF.

    1. CPRM

      He was kicking for the Patriots when they lost the Super Bowl to the Packers in the 90s, he’s done some things right.

      1. hayeksplosives

        He was a quarterback in HS and also some in college, and he’s always run all the drills with the other players. That gets him the respect of the other players and has kept him in shape.

        He passed Anderson’s record for all time field goals made earlier this year, and already holds the postseason FG record, plus several others.

        After that FG he just made, he meandered over to the Titans sideline where he was warmly greeted by the opposing head coach, Mike Vrabel, his former teammate.

        Still half a game to go… he might have to go for another game winner to save the Colts season.

        1. Nephilium

          In other news, Baker Mayfield got himself a record this year as well. It’s insane to me that after the complete turnaround in the Browns with basically a coaching change, that there’s a team that wants to hire Hue.

          1. OneOut

            Bengals hire him as a consultant because they played the Browns in 2 weeks and also twice a year.

            He was a snitch on contract and wont be back next year.

          2. Nephilium

            Didn’t seem to work out for Hue. Although I gained some respect for Baker based on the stories from the previous games. He’s got Clevelander’s cheering his name in a standard chant now.

        2. straffinrun

          Gary Anderson? That dude owes me a remote control. Threw the damn thing out my 5th floor apt window in 98.

          1. CPRM

            So you were a fake sconnie all the long!

          2. straffinrun

            Being Viking fan in Chippewa wasn’t easy. Just glad I wasn’t there when the Pack won the Super Bowl. It was bad enough living in Denver when they won it.

          3. CPRM

            I’m sorry, we can’t be friends anymore.

          4. straffinrun

            I’m sorry that we don’t like the same group of strangers.

          5. CPRM

            It’s not that. It’s why choose the Vikings? if you wanted to be different their were 27 (yes, this would have been pre expansion) teams to choose from. But you chose the Vikings? That just shows poor judgment.

          6. straffinrun

            It’s an hour drive to the twin cities and 3 or 4 (?) to GB. Weird, but I like both the brewers and the twins. Can’t stand the packers for some reason.

          7. CPRM

            Well, don’t care for the Brewers or the Twins, I stopped caring about baseball when those pussies went on strike in the 90s.

          8. hayeksplosives

            Ha!

          9. MikeS

            No, Denny Green’s estate owes you a remote for taking two knees and putting it all on Gary’s foot.

          10. straffinrun

            True. There’s blame to go around. Still, you gotta make that regardless of what the coach did. 39 yarder. C’mon.

          11. MikeS

            Yes, the guy who was perfect for an entire season should have made one more.

            Or, the (at the time) highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL could have tried to score some points before half and before the end of regulation.

            I’ve made it my life’s mission to white knight Gary Anderson. Not sure why…lots of frustration that he gets the blame when I think the majority of it was play calling…and knee calling.

          12. straffinrun

            That’s why kickers exist. They’re either heroes or zeroes. It’s like closer in baseball. Yeah, all those regular season saves are great and all, but if you can’t close out the ninth when your team is up one run in the post season, I don’t want you on my team. Clutch play is all that matters to a kicker. Denny left way too much to chance given his high powered offense. And, Gary choked. He’s a decent enough guy from what I’ve seen of him. Nothing personal.

          13. MikeS

            I know. And I know you get it. But a lot of people only remember the missed kick and not the two knees. Whenever I hear his name I blurt out “highest scoring offense in history took two knees!”

            It’s not healthy and I should seek help. Thankfully, it doesn’t come up much anymore.

          14. straffinrun

            I’ve buckled under pressure in sports many times. There’s a small Japanese University I worked for that got me to play for them. Silly because I wasn’t a student, but it was a small time league so nobody noticed. They hadn’t won a game EVER. The one game I played for them, I scored about 30. We were up by 3 with the clock running out. I intentionally fouled the guy with the ball at half court to give him only two free throws. He saw me coming and shot instead. Fuck. He made all three and we lost in OT. Humiliated myself.

          15. Rhywun

            Wow, holy flashback to childhood.

          16. hayeksplosives

            That’s one of the things that makes Vinatieri the best. Not his completion %, or his longest FG (that record belongs to someone else); it’s his ability to kick the critical game winners in the final seconds, like in 2 of the 3 SBs the Pats won at the end of his leg, and numerous other regular and post season crucial kicks.

    2. Chafed

      Yup. And the Patriots need to apologize for not keeping him.

      1. hayeksplosives

        Yup.

        There’s a great Sportcenter commercial with Vinatieri trying to get through a metal detector that is no longer on YouTube but comes right up on ESPN.com if you Google “Vinatieri Sportscenter Commercial”.

        Watch for the guy in the HoF jacket in the background. 🙂

    3. Spudalicious

      Love the white beard. That’s known as a “statement”.

      1. hayeksplosives

        That statement is, “I’m a free agent in February. I’m old but I got it where it counts. Sign me.”

  24. Count Potato

    This might be the worst shit I’ve ever heard:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhfnTs0RZLs

      1. Rhywun

        I will listen to anything chiptune over the garbage in your first link.

        I’m so sorry Toto.

        LOL

        1. Count Potato

          Pitbull is to music, what Taco Bell is to food.

          1. CPRM

            So Pitbull is edible junk food?

          2. Count Potato

            Depends on your idea of “edible”.

    1. Count Potato

      Is that Weird Al Yankovic with a serial killer haircut?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk5Dwg5zm2U

      He looks like the engineer from Shadow Hills.

      1. Rhywun

        Ugh. Why.

    2. Not an Economist

      Still the best cover version IMO.

      1. Count Potato

        His drumming such slop though.

  25. Nephilium

    So… this is what it feels like when your post becomes an open post.

    Welcome all, grab a pint and share your links.

    1. straffinrun

      We’re all Russian bitter agents.

      1. Chipping Pioneer

        Nuh-uh. Imma Russian imperial stout agent.

        1. MikeS

          And I’m a German from Russia wheat agent

    2. Yusef drives a Kia

      At least we like Beer, that’s on topic
      Hello!

      1. Speak for yourself, and keep the hops away from me.

    3. Spudalicious

      A humbling experience. It’s like all your work writing the piece was a waste of time. ?

      Enjoyed a couple of pints today, it’s now whiskey time.

      1. Nephilium

        Went through several pints while watching the Browns lose. Currently drinking a Jameson Caskmates Stout edition. After this there may be some bourbon in my future.

    4. Chafed

      Welcome to Za’ha’dum Neph.

      1. Nephilium

        As long as I don’t need to deal with Lorien, I’ll be fine.

        If you go to Z’ha’dum you will die

        1. Chafed

          I haven’t seen him post here.

          ?

    1. Spudalicious

      You are a sad troll.

      1. Count Potato

        What?

  26. CPRM

    So, I’m not a big sweets guy, but my traditional new years foods are Reeses Pieces and shrimp, but I found the Reeses Pieces I was hiding from my self, I think I’ll need to buy more for tomorrow night.

    1. Yusef drives a Kia

      +1000 Turtle pie

    2. Ownbestenemy

      Reeses are my weak point. I also am not a sweets guy (MIL cant get that through her thick skull)

    3. straffinrun

      Reminds me of a tongue twister my brother wrote: ET’s feces reeks of Ree Cees Pee Cees.

      1. CPRM

        Sorry to break it to you, but your brother didn’t…never mind, yes your brother was smart.

        1. straffinrun

          He’s a liar, but I still quote him.

    4. Spudalicious

      Wait…what?

    5. Rhywun

      FWIW, the M&Ms with Reese’s center are 1000x better.

      As for shrimp, uh, yeah pass. I don’t like bugs.

  27. Tres Cool

    I cant understand a word, but I find Tora-San strangely compelling.

    1. straffinrun

      There’s an episode where he falls in love with a mentally retarded girl. He manages to make it romantic and not creepy.

      1. Tres Cool

        I…I….Ill just watch more dole banana commercials

    1. Rhywun

      I’m not sure what ZARDOZ’s position on self-cleansing is.

      1. Chafed

        I think He would counsel murder-suicide.

    2. straffinrun

      It’s fine making fun of The Vanilla Ices of the world. Making it some moral outrage is ridiculous.

    3. Spudalicious

      I tapped out after the first sentence.

      1. Rhywun

        I made it a few more sentences in until I could no longer stand the obvious signs of having marinated in college SJW nonsense.

        1. straffinrun

          The way they speak is just like a religion. Everything is assumed to be true and the only reason you’d object to their revealed truth is because you’re a racist. At least the Greeks just assumed you didn’t know any better.

          1. Rhywun

            I suspect the whole thing is made up anyway. There is no “Amy”.

          2. Rhywun

            Scratch that; I meant to say there is no “So Many Questions”.

    4. Count Potato

      Her brother is Elizabeth Warren?

    5. Akira

      He is a local politician and publicly announces his native ancestry … He uses native rituals, publicly posts and gives interviews about his heritage.

      You know who else claimed a significant portion of Native American ancestry to score political points despite the fact that a DNA test showed this to be false?

      1. Gustave Lytton

        Why would any of that matter, except if the color of your skin gives special status?

        1. Akira

          We’re operating in a victimhood culture. Status is given based on how vulnerable and easily offended you are.

      2. Spudalicious

        Mel Brooks?

  28. LJW

    Watching Scicario: Day of the Soldado. Has a right wing vibe going so far. How did Hollywood allow this movie to be made?

    1. Count Potato

      I thought it was OK, but not particularly good.

      1. LJW

        I liked the first one so we’ll see about this one. Had to pause to get the kids to bed, hence the reason I’m passing the time on here.

  29. Debate, NBC style.

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mark-finkelstein/2018/12/30/chuck-todd-bans-climate-deniers-climate-change-special

    “Just as important as what we are going to do this hour is what we’re not going to do. We’re not going to debate climate change, the existence of it. The Earth is getting hotter, and human activity is a major cause. Period. We’re not going to give time to climate deniers. The science is settled, even if political opinion is not.”

    If your ideas can’t stand up to scrutiny, they’re utterly worthless.

    1. Akira

      The science is settled, even if political opinion is not.

      It’s funny how this phrase goes right out the window when it comes to something like sex dichotomy in humans.

    2. Count Potato

      “Coming up tonight: my in depthl hour long special into Chuck Todd, titled “Chuck Todd, Half Lizard, Half Captain Kangaroo.” No,we won’t be welcoming any Chuck Todd lizard/Kangaroo skeptics on the program. The science is settled.”

      https://twitter.com/greggutfeld/status/1079479527670190080

      1. Chafed

        Bravo.

    3. Rhywun

      Much brave

    4. Gustave Lytton

      I think I liked it better when networks would just air Billy Graham Crusades specials.

    1. Chafed

      Yep. She can come unclog my toilet anytime.

    2. Sean

      Dumb, dangerous, and kids…pass.

    3. Why would bleach do anything to aid clearing a physical obstruction of the pipe? If they obstruction is out of reach the only things you can do are attempt to dislodge it with a plunger, or resort to a pipe snake – either manual or motorized.

  30. straffinrun

    If anyone is still up, since I’m trapped at home tonight with the wife and kid, I was thinking of going out to get a board game we can do together. We have monopoly and life, but something kind of new and fun is what I was thinking. Any cool games at Toys ‘R Us you recommend for a 10 year old and the parents? Not playing spin the bottle, either.

    1. Akira

      Settlers of Catan is pretty cool; I don’t see why a 10-year old couldn’t learn it. Not sure if they’d have it at any big box store, though.

      1. straffinrun

        Ha. That is exactly what I was just looking at on their website. The daughter would be fine, it’s me that I’m worried about given it’s all in Japanese.

    2. MikeS

      They have a trivial pursuit now that comes with adult and kids cards. I guess not new and maybe not fun…

      1. straffinrun

        I want to get Tetris with the old school NES controller. Trivial pursuit would be more fun if they had a batsu or punishment feature.

        1. Akira

          Hahaha, good ol’ batsu gamu…

          I used to love watching Gaki No Tsukai clips on YouTube.

          1. straffinrun
          2. Akira

            Hilarious!

            I do remember a segment on Gaki No Tsukai where two men stripped down to their underwear, and each player had to try to take off the opponent’s underwear. It got translated as “Are You To Do Pants Taking Off Or Taken Off?”

    3. Gustave Lytton

      Risk?

      1. The Bearded Hobbit

        Came here to say that. Used to have Risk marathons in my college days. Turned daughter #2 and her kids onto it during our last visit and they have become fiends.

        Also, an old standby: Parcheesi.

    4. Spudalicious

      Say Anything.

    5. Akira

      It may not be a family board game, but does anyone here play Go?

      I used to play it a lot with a friend of mine, but he has a wife and child and consequently cannot stay up until 5 AM drinking booze and playing Go. Nobody plays with me now. I downloaded a computer version, but it is way too formulaic, and every game comes out almost exactly the same.

      1. Yes, although rather badly, having been stuck between 6/7 kyu for years now.

        You can always play on one of the servers, although the Asian servers’ clients are all Windows-only, I think.

        Internet Go Server. The Korean servers are for people who like severe fighting.

    6. Uno? Although by now it’s probably too late for you.

    1. Chafed

      They weren’t wearing bikinis.

    1. Rhywun

      About 60 percent of members are couples in open relationships, and the majority are bisexual.

      LOL sure they are.

      These people are just the latest iteration of beatniks or hippies – out to press everyone’s buttons.

      1. I was just thinking how it won’t be long until the straights are frigid bourgeoisie living in Scarsdale worrying about little Jonny’s Ritalin and the gays are cranky old queens complaining about how kids these days have it so much easier than they ever did.

        1. Rhywun

          These people are every bit as boring as we are – they are just scared shitless of that fact.

    2. Lachowsky

      My millennial self has been fucking millennials for better than a decade and a half and it’s been fun so far.

      Ymmv

    3. Chafed

      It’s interesting the article is dispassionate about the subject. I imagine if any of the participants paid each other directly then it would be a sex trafficking story.

  31. Lachowsky

    Army of darkness is a great movie.

    Prove me wrong.

    1. Gustave Lytton

      Good. Bad. Lachowsky’s the guy with the lockout tagout.

    2. J. Frank Parnell

      This is true. The science is settled.

      1. Rhywun

        We will not tolerate dissent.

  32. Spudalicious

    Drunken surfing. ‘Night.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uT3SBzmDxGk

  33. Old Man With Candy

    @Tulip, in case you read dead threads: Bacchanalia. Been twice, superb meals each time.