Human deNatured

The following musings were inspired by Suthenboy’s latest submission that discussed the folly of ignoring human nature. It got me thinking that “human nature” is something I recognize as a thing, but perhaps in a somewhat erroneous way, in that upon deeper consideration human nature isn’t really something that can be utilized in a monolithic sense. I’ve settled on human nature as being more like an average of individuals’ several natures. My attempts to detail these natures started to lead me down a path of relativism involving time and cultures… too complicated. Instead, I backtracked to more visceral aspects of what I believe to be our nature, some natural contradictions, and stuck to the broad strokes of the topic.

In starting out with an overarching definition, ideas like self-interest and the invisible hand come to mind as references, along with concepts such as, “the whole is something else than the sum of its parts.” Various thinkers have offered simplistic terms for human nature: divinity, good, animal, conjugal, social, etc. For me, I find it’s whatever comes naturally to each person, whatever reactions they can’t effectively control, many of which most humans hold in common. I’ll leave it at that and get on with it, but add that humans don’t always act in their own best interest – most of us can identify self-destructive people, otherwise we wouldn’t know what not to stick our (metaphoric, for the fairer readership) dicks in.

I deal with and utilize human nature as a profession: I run a manufacturing plant. My staff are the various department heads. In my managing, at times, I negotiate the plant as a whole; at others, each department’s unique personality – as may evolve from its leader and/or its typical employee, depending on necessary skill sets – and its interactions with the others; and sometimes, an individual.

In each case, I look for the subject’s motivation, and that helps me to fashion my, dare I say, manipulation of it to achieve the plant’s goals. If I assumed all of humans’ nature to be the same, there’d be no need to search for a motivation. Some work-related examples…

Some folks are naturally predominantly lazy, others are overtime commandos who’d live at the plant and do nothing but work and sleep if I let them. Most people fall in the middle, but I believe humans possess both desires – to work and to rest – and that the tradeoff is what’s in society’s self-interest: work hard to survive, yet carve out time to recuperate. Slavery is not a sound long-term economic model, nor is collectivism, for they both deny (these aspects of) human nature.

There are loners and social butterflies, which natures I consider when building teams and filling positions.

A minority seek to control others, with controlling as an end in itself; others can’t take a piss without being told. Neither extremes are desirable in managers or workers. For the average, we can look to the quote, “You cannot be a leader… unless you know how to follow, too.” Somewhat related, my dogs try to lead me everywhere I’m going even though they don’t know where that is.

Other thoughts on human nature…

Sexual desire is decoupled from the desire to have children, though the evolutionary result of sexual desire is species proliferation. Why don’t we simply desire procreation as opposed to wanting to shag or to fawn over pudgy little cherubs? As an aside, this is evidence to me for evolution and against creationism.

Peeps are generally attracted to younger looking potential mates, giving our species the evolutionary benefits of neoteny. However, this goes too far when it results in pederasty, hence OMWC. That perversion may be balanced out by the demonstrated preference by some of being attracted to much older looking people, despite the odds against its being beneficial to our race’s continuing.

Human nature sans societal influence is a not good thing. Children must be taught to share, not to steal; to speak civilly, not to be violent. These lessons are best practices taught to them by their families, by society. From a bigger picture perspective, maybe a baby’s complete greed is expected by evolution to be balanced by the restrictions placed upon it by its parents. For the survival of the species, a vulnerable human-as-baby must be wholly demanding, and as it becomes less vulnerable it must learn to conform to its local culture, to whatever the humans-as-elders have worked out is in their group’s best interest. Children left to their nature become brats and thugs.

Given such conflicting desires/traits, it’s tough to pinpoint a distinct human nature, unless we look at how they balance, so again, I find it better to look at the averages to guide me, similar to how biologists consider an ant colony as the organism, rather than just one ant of the crew as being representative of the species, since the biology of a given ant can so vary from its fellow colonists depending on its function. Ant nature cannot be determined by looking at the queen’s behavior alone, just as one nature cannot begin to describe one human, let alone a planet full of them.

That said, I am optimistic about humans’ collective direction. Slavery as a human institution is now, for the most part, a thing of the past. Causing civilian casualties in war is now a bug, not a feature. Imperialism through violent acquisition is likewise no longer acceptable on the human stage. I’m hopeful that one day, all forms of authoritarianism will be viewed with disdain. On average, at least.

 

 

Comments

255 responses to “Human deNatured”

  1. Tres Cool

    I, for one, welcome the arrival of the SMOD, so that it can end this discussion

    1. Tres Cool

      Now juust hit some motherfkin’ THEME MUSIC !

  2. Russian Kia Drives Yusef

    So, just live and be as happy as you can,
    Sup tres!

  3. Florida Man

    what is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind.

    1. Plinker762

      You must be the best parents in the world

  4. Gordilocks

    Slavery as a human institution is now, for the most part, a thing of the past.

    For the most part, on average, people do not consider having 35% (or more) of their income taken at gunpoint as slavery.

    I do.

    /freedom pedant

    1. Sean

      You need more deductions or a better accountant.

      1. Gordilocks

        I’m talking average tax brackets for most western countries.

        1. Sean

          *shrug*

          I’m pretty sure I end up under 20%.

          1. Tundra

            Really? After you factor in all the bullshit taxes?

          2. Rhywun

            Maybe he’s single and/or childless. We get hosed.

          3. Nephilium

            Yes. Yes we do. The 8% sales tax in my county doesn’t help either.

          4. MikeS

            The county has 8%. Jeepers. What is the state %?

          5. Plinker762

            8.8% in WA, no state income tax, yet.

          6. Nephilium

            Sorry, to clarify, the total sales tax in Cuyahoga county is 8%. The state rate is 5.75%, with an additional 2.25% at the county level (and that’s not counting sin tax on alcohol or tobacco). It pisses me off that they charge you sales tax based on where you live when you buy a car.

          7. Rhywun

            Speaking of sin taxes, a vape pack of 4 pods that was $15 a couple weeks ago was $23 today. This particular company (Myle) has “temporarily” ceased sales in the US – I found out later – so maybe that’s it? I dunno. But the way things are going I won’t be surprised if the industry is taxed and/or banned out of existence by this time next year. Progress!

      2. blackjack

        Between tax freedom day being Apr 23 in CA, sales taxes, sin taxes, regulatory costs built into everything, license fees, etc. I would be shocked if I ONLY pay 35%.

        1. Rhywun

          If I subtract 401K and flexible spending I was at around 40%. But I live in utopia so there’s that.

          1. blackjack

            Yeah, I have 11% mandatory retirement contribution on top of it all. Supposed to pay off one day, we’ll see.

      3. dorvinion

        Taxes are far and away my largest expense.

        For 2017 taxes I calculated 34.4% after adding up all the State, Federal (FIT, FICA including the so called employer portion), and Local taxes.

        That doesn’t count sales, excise, gas or other taxes that I don’t see as a line item at the end of a year. Surely that would be another 5% minimum given that my state’s sales tax is 6% with a 1% local option.

        Feds were 80% of the total take, and naturally Feds are the level of government that least provides me benefit.
        State and local while still coercive at least do provide tangible useful things.

    2. Bob Boberson

      ^This. Also slavery has been the norm for the vast majority of human existence. Claiming we’ve moved past it because cattle slavery is mostly not practiced is unlikely. 100 years out of 100,000 doesn’t necessarily equal a trend.

      1. Bob Boberson

        *Chattel*….f* off apple

        1. Gordilocks

          *Looks around general populace*

          *Notes waistlines and visible health*

          Eh, you’re typo was more of a Freudian slip, matey.

          1. Bob Boberson

            Indeed, I have noticed that too. I often wonder if obesity is the result of the free market working too well or if there are other forces at work.

          2. Florida Man

            Evolution didn’t prepare us for low calorie expenditure and high calorie consumption.

      2. Tulip

        Chattel slavery is illegal in all countries now, but still occurs in Africa and Asia and more rarely in North America and Europe. I have no knowledge of South America or Australia (though probably rare in Australia).

        1. Bob Boberson

          My point being that it may be considered out of bounds in civilized society at this point in our history but the will to enact it is still very much a part of human nature. On darker days I wonder if it’s because we’ve discovered a better more sustainable way to enact it. See Gordilocks comment.

  5. Russian Kia Drives Yusef

    You talk purdy…..

  6. Bob Boberson

    That said, I am optimistic about humans’ collective direction. Slavery as a human institution is now, for the most part, a thing of the past. Causing civilian casualties in war is now a bug, not a feature. Imperialism through violent acquisition is likewise no longer acceptable on the human stage. I’m hopeful that one day, all forms of authoritarianism will be viewed with disdain. On average, at least.

    I’m not so sure. I think this has more to do with wealth and an increased standard of living (brought about in large part from the miracle of the free market) than it does with the evolution of human nature. I’m sure my Calvinistic upbringing colors my worldview, but I think we are at any given moment only a couple missed meals away from slavery, civilian butchery, and imperialism. These are the byproducts of the very human desire to dominate others or at the very least the reality that if one has no moral scruples and the means to do so, it’s infinitely easier to take what someone else has than to produce for yourself. Just my two cents.

    1. Gordilocks

      it’s infinitely easier to take what someone else has than to produce for yourself

      This was edited out of the constitution and is only admitted in the smoky back rooms.

    2. Tulip

      I agree that we are only a short distance from slavery and barbarism.

  7. The Last American Hero

    All within The Plant, nothing outside The Plant, nothing against The Plant” – Plisade

    1. Tres Cool

      Another Plant

  8. Old Man With Candy

    That perversion may be balanced out by the demonstrated preference by some of being attracted to much older looking people, despite the odds against its being beneficial to our race’s continuing.

    Thus the popularity of the MILF sections of PornHub?

    1. Gordilocks

      Thus SP?

    2. Bob Boberson

      Except your average MILF on PornHub looks to be 30-35 years old…..

      1. Gordilocks

        Having children early necessitates expanded options for revenue streams.

        1. Brochettaward

          A MILF isn’t just any bitch with a kid.

      2. Brochettaward

        I’m glad someone else noticed the way porn has completely watered down the MILF concept. I’ve seen bitches who were no older than 24, but simply kind of chubby being passed off as MILF”s. I’ve had to switch to GILF porn to get my fix.

        1. Bob Boberson

          In that Netflix documentary about the porn industry I got the impression that the basic progression is from 18-24 they are promoted as ‘teen porn’ and at 25 they get a boob job and become ‘MILFs”

  9. Raphael

    Thank you for the article, Plisade. I too hope for the optimistic future you see, but as a Millennial, I don’t think that’s going to start with my generation (to be sure, there are probably a good number of millennial liberty-loving hard-workers who don’t make waves ala “Silent Majority” but alas I do not know).

  10. Russian Kia Drives Yusef

    Good article Plisade, have you heard of the Apathists? We don’t give a shit, join us.

    1. Raphael

      Do you guys have Blackjack and Hookers? Not that I care about that stuff either way, but I guess I’m curious.

      1. Russian Kia Drives Yusef

        We have it all, but, meh……

      2. blackjack

        I only really need the hookers.

      3. MikeS

        So…no blow? *sniff* Asking for a friend. *sniff*

        1. Gordilocks

          Out of the family man budget these days.

    2. Nephilium

      I’m an ordained Apathetic Agnostic, does that count?

      Not that I really care.

  11. Fourscore

    Interesting article, Plisade. I’m more pessimistic than some because of the nature of politicians and politics. Watching the deficit grow and grow and no one able to face reality is not encouraging. Political reality and economic reality are in opposition, it seems.

    “ant colony as the organism”

    Ants, termites and bees are true socialists, generally a short lifespan, in human terms. Their goal is to maintain the colony, even as they work themselves to death for the ‘greater good’. The colony, rather than the individual, is truly the organism.

    1. Fourscore

      deficit = debt

    2. Rhywun

      Watching the deficit grow and grow and no one able to face reality is not encouraging.

      This.

      It’s going to destroy the country – not today or tomorrow, but a lot sooner than the so-called “climate change” that’s being pushed as a distraction from it.

      1. one true athena

        Yeah. I wish schools would have to read the Shriver book “the Mandibles” which is all about a family in a post-debt collapse dystopia. Perhaps some people would get their heads out of their asses and realize the day is coming.

        1. dbleagle

          I concur with your recommendation. “Mandibles” should be HS reading since one of the major characters is that age cohort and would attract the reader’s attention.

          I would also recommend “Submission”.

    3. straffinrun

      When you’re standing on the shoulders of giants, don’t whip out your cock and piss down their backs. Respect those that gave everything to make the world better by giving us things like free speech, right to arms, property rights etc… The only thing that is more self contradictory than the individual is a mob consisting of gimme, gimme, gimme.

  12. Spudalicious

    “Slavery as a human institution is now, for the most part, a thing of the past.”

    On this I’m afraid I need to disagree. In western culture it is largely a thing of the past. In Asian, Middle East and some African countries, slavery is alive and well.

    1. Gordilocks

      and some African countries

      Due in no small part to military interference paid for by you and me being tax slaves.

      1. Spudalicious

        Been going on for centuries. Tribes raid each other and kidnap people that are forced into slavery. In fact, that’s how the western slave trade obtained their slaves. Muslims just played the middle man.

        Military intervention has contributed to that, but for the most part it just changed how it functions.

      2. Spudalicious

        Been going on for centuries. Tribes raid each other and kidnap people that are forced into slavery. In fact, that’s how the western slave trade obtained their slaves. Muslims just played the middle man.

        Military intervention has contributed to that, but for the most part it just changed how it functions.

        1. Gordilocks

          The squirrels also have been around for centuries.

          My point wasn’t to ignore the fact that the institution, as such, has been around forever.

          It has lessened, to a great degree, across most of the world (other than taxation, but I’ll set that aside), and the jarring visuals of slave markets in Libya as of late fly in the face of most people’s understanding of that trend.

          1. Spudalicious

            Fair enough.

  13. “Sexual desire is decoupled from the desire to have children”

    On topic!

    https://archive.is/hMTBF/81989ed52a0f95d3ba6513b7360a8c2b87cbee9c

        1. Gordilocks

          SOMEONE MADE ME A SAMMICH

    1. Bob Boberson

      This is also something I don’t necessarily disagree with but I think needs to be qualified. Contraception, birth control, abortion and a hyper sexualized culture has contributed greatly to this. Men are largely the same animals that we have always been…..we want to give our seed to the most viable and healthy producers. I think this is a relatively new phenomena where women are concerned. Until very recently sex was a very risky proposition for women and their desires were tempered very much by factors concerning child bearing (will he give me healthy offspring, will my needs and the needs of the child be met, etc). Not sure what this has to do with the overall article but this is where my mind went……

        1. Bob Boberson

          I remember that article, and browsing it a second time was a pleasure. I guess its time for
          Glib confessions:

          I hooked up with an acquaintance this weekend. She’s the sort Q would approve of and part of me wants to be proud that I can still attract such nubile young women. The whole thing however has left me feeling fairly glum.

          She’s a mess. To quote Fight Club “[She] doesn’t need a lover, she needs a fucking case worker.”

          This girl is whatever the polar opposite of a stage 5 clinger is. Sexually liberated to the point that it was void of any intimacy whatsoever. It just ended up kinda sad and strange. I’m rambling but it seems that some of the things you mentioned in your article have some personal relevance at this moment.

          1. Don’t look a gift lay in the pussy (or something).

            I dunno, take it for what it is, a fun roll in the hay. Investing any more time or energy than that into a damaged woman is a recipe for misery.

            My 2¢.

          2. Bob Boberson

            Yeah, I guessI’m to the point in my life that I want something more. I looked total detachment in the face and didn’t like what I saw. I have 0 emotional investment in this girl but I can’t help but feel a little grieved at whatever happened to make her that way.

          3. Nephilium

            In my younger days I met a couple girls like that. The ones who had some emotional investment were much more fun.

          4. Raphael

            I feel you man and I hope you get to find that special someone with that fire.

          5. In spite of my weakness for wine, women and song, I actually consider myself a romantic. I think it’s tragic when women give it away so much that they lose touch with their emotions. They’re supposed to be better than us.

            Also, strictly from an economic standpoint, supply goes up and price goes down. Not that cheap sex isn’t fun, but one does usually prefer a filet mignon to a Big Mac (most of the time anyway…).

          6. Bob Boberson

            “I think it’s tragic when women give it away so much that they lose touch with their emotions. They’re supposed to be better than us.”

            Thank you Q and everyone else for articulating what I can’t. Spot on.

          7. Playa Manhattan

            I’m going to regret asking Q, but…

            How long was your longest relationship?

          8. kinnath

            ~45 years

          9. Playa Manhattan

            You don’t want to be in a non-exclusive club. It’s perfectly natural.

          10. Bob Boberson

            Thanks, I think that pretty well sums up what I’m driving at.

          11. straffinrun

            Sluts should only be slutty with me.

          12. straffinrun

            *Not calling that specific girl a slut, just making an observation.

          13. By Title XI’s definition, straff just sexually assaulted her.

          14. blackjack

            Sluts beat prudes every time! Come on Viriginia, don’t make me wait!

          15. straffinrun

            Title ( v )?

          16. Bob Boberson

            You’re not wrong. I’ve been with sluts before…..this was something on another level. A level of detachment that was….unsettling. Like, prostitute levels of detachment

          17. Playa Manhattan

            That’s not sexually liberated. It’s something pathological that I don’t care to understand.

          18. Brochettaward

            Borderline personality.

          19. Bob Boberson

            It’s something pathological that I don’t care to understand.

            ^this

        2. OneOut

          Excellent article Q.

          You should spread that around.

          1. Raphael

            #metoo. It was the first time I got to read the whole length of that piece, but it was all worth it. Hard-hitting reality bombs.

          2. Like chlamydia?

  14. Not Adahn

    Do you denature your humans thermally or chemically?

  15. straffinrun

    Why, why, does he do me that way? *Moon walks*

    1. Sensei

      Isn’t it a bit early for you to be drinking?

      1. Raphael

        It’s always a good time for sake in glorious Nippon.

        1. Sensei

          Breakfast shouchuu?

          1. straffinrun

            Not a fan of shouchuu. The father in law is always pushing it on me. Meh.

          2. Sensei

            I don’ mind some of the highballs.

          3. Spudalicious

            So you like your balls younger, as opposed to the older lowballs.

          4. Spudalicious

            Damn. It’s like you don’t even troll, bro.

          5. straffinrun

            Whiskey highball. Anything else is a lie.

    1. “Not A Weekly Standard Apologist”

      Remember Tebowing? Man the first decade of the 21st century was all over the place.

      Your mom goes to college

    2. Raphael

      We also had the tide pod challenge and all that good stuff as of late.

  16. Tundra

    That said, I am optimistic about humans’ collective direction.

    It shocks me but I agree with this. We spend a lot of time lamenting how fucked up and un-free things are, but I’m not sure that’s the case. The fact that I can jump online and bitch with a bunch of misanthropes with terrible musical tastes is clearly progress.

    I’m long on the human race.

    1. MikeS

      And don’t forget those idiots who think pineapple on pizza is good. Amirite?!

      1. Tundra

        *sighs and drops gloves*

        1. Tulip

          Get’em Tundra! Pineapple belongs on pizza!

          1. Spudalicious

            Uh, if it has pineapple on it, it’s not pizza.

          2. Tundra

            Wrong.

            I am baffled why otherwise sane, culinary-advanced people don’t recognize savory goodness.

            Sad, really.

          3. Spudalicious

            Apparently, in your timeline, “savory” means something different.

        2. Playa Manhattan

          Drops gloves to hand feed him a slice of pizza?

          That’s nice of you. Minnesota nice.

          1. Tundra

            So nice. Sometimes you have to hit them hard to get them to understand.

      2. Raphael

        I got your back, Mike. NEVER BACK DOWN.

      3. blackjack

        Fuck that, some of these people drink chocolate beer! CHOCOLATE fucking beer!

        1. Tulip

          Mmm, chocolate stouts, mmm

        2. MikeS

          Right?! Sick fucks.

          *takes surreptitious drink of chocolate peanut butter porter*

    2. Sensei

      Living in NJ it’s tough to agree with that… but I’ll concede you may have a point.

    3. Bob Boberson

      I appreciate the sentiment but I also wonder if this golden rope of we’ve been thrown (internet, social media, etc) might just be a noose where freedom is concerned. Straff and I were talking earlier today that freedom will only persist if the values underpinning it are understood and believed in. I can’t help but wonder if we are slipping into Huxley’s nightmare:

      “What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egotism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance.”

      I fully agree that we live in amazing times, however I often struggle to feel optimistic about the future.

      1. Tundra

        Watching my kids grow and learn is part of my optimism. They are hilariously cynical and privately un-woke. So are a lot of their friends.

        My son was filling out an HR-required form that included the question “What does diversity mean to you?”

        His answer was hilariously un-PC and actually very astute. I think a lot of these kids get it.

        1. Rhywun

          “What does diversity mean to you?”

          See… as a middle-aged unwoke man, I’m afraid of not even knowing how to approach that. Do I call out the BS? Do I write down some platitudes? At least today’s kids have been marinating in that shit long enough to know how to work around it.

          1. Gordilocks

            I feel like they have an opportunity to consult/coach the older unwoke crowd to run the gauntlet and survive.

        2. Bob Boberson

          I can see how kids might change your outlook. I’m usually a pretty upbeat person but between the short days, dreary gray/ brown and general loneliness for single dudes this time of year I’m feeling like a real downer at the moment. I’m happy for you, sounds like you raised yourself some fine young shitlords.

    4. Plinker762

      My reservation is where are the leaders that know history? I compare america’s founders with politicians today. There is no acknowledgement of the dangers of power.

      1. Brochettaward

        Well, some of the most important founders found themselves with power, but not enough power. And then grasped for more all the same. It’s perhaps a bit different preaching about power when you aren’t the one who really has it. The founders were trying to revolt against an overseas power in a bunch of relatively backwards colonies where people had no choice but to be independent or at least depended more on the local community.

        I think we definitely have a far dumber political class. A far dumber self-anointed set of elites. I don’t know if moral fiber or even necessarily wisdom is really what separates them from those in the past as much as the times and culture.

        1. Plinker762

          Agreed, just look at the Whiskey Rebellion and Washington’s response.

          I was wondering the other day if the US is slipping towards a cargo cult in that we have the trappings of a democratic republic while not functioning like one, but the people don’t know the difference either through arrogance or poor education.

    5. Stinky Wizzleteats

      I buy more into the boot stamping on a human forever train of thought but I hope you’re right.

      1. straffinrun

        Hard to disagree. People need correction for behavior that doesn’t result in human flourishing. You can either have the corrections come in the form of constant, micro pushbacks or you can wait until the problems compound and you have a giant pushback. The former would be how a free society operates and the later how places like Venezuela ended up.

        1. Stinky Wizzleteats

          Reality eventually trumps fantasy, no doubt. Sooner or later it all comes down to math.

  17. Nephilium

    So. I have decided to buy tickets to Camp Anarchy, regardless of their insane rules (the opposite of anarchy). We will be camping near by instead of at their camp ground, as those rules are too insane for me. How the fuck do you enjoy camping with no fire, and only one case of beer per vehicle?

    1. Playa Manhattan

      You don’t.

    2. Plinker762

      Probably can’t do mag dumps either.

      1. Tejicano

        So, only 3 to 5 round bursts in full auto? Well, it’s tactically sensible but not as much fun.

    3. Rhywun

      Camp Very Mild Buzz

      I’m guessing they want to prevent what will very likely turn into a shitshow anyway, unless they’re really diligent about searching everyone. Anyway I see one band per day I wouldn’t mind seeing but not that badly.

      1. Nephilium

        It’s close enough to me, and has a lot of bands that I saw back in the day. It seems to be an event that’s aiming at my demographic.

        1. Rhywun

          Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I suppose it probably won’t be too much of a shitshow. It’s gonna be all middle-aged dads. They’ll be too tired and old to start shit.

          1. Nephilium

            It probably helps that they’re doing the beer tastings in the early afternoon. Over Christmas, I’m going to need to ask my niece and her boyfriend if they even know any of the bands. For me, Saturday is the strongest lineup. I remember seeing the Suicide Machines under their original name.

          2. Gordilocks

            Pass the Busch-lite, momma.

          3. Brochettaward

            I refuse to drink good beer because fuck hipsters and Millennials.

        2. Russian Kia Drives Yusef

          One case? Not your demographic

          1. Nephilium

            Per Vehicle! Not even per person (and no glass bottles allowed). However, they do have a beer tasting event going on at the concert, and the campsite I’m staying at has a fire ring, and will allow any alcohol that’s legal in the state. There’s also a brewery around the corner from the camp that I’ve never been to.

    4. Gordilocks

      *Browses list of bands*

      *remembers all of the people I knew in that scene back in the day*

      Have fun being the token libertarian!

      1. Rhywun

        I have known exactly one self-described “anarchist” in my life – he moved to Portland.

        1. Nephilium

          I knew a whole bunch back in the day, but these were mid-90’s “anarchists”… aka socialists.

          1. Rhywun

            Exactly.

      2. Nephilium

        Well, there was a time NOFX was libertarian, but that may have changed. I will definitely be wearing my F*ck the Polis shirt one day.

        1. Gordilocks

          Who knows where those bands politics have gone since I stopped listening to that stuff 20 years ago.

          They would be on our side with police brutality and overreach, the drug war, and overseas misadventuring, but I’m thinking their economics would probably be Sanders-esque.

          1. Rhywun

            I’m pretty sure Bad Religion is still as reflexively leftist as ever – I followed them all the way into the mid 00’s or so. Their politics are brain dead but damn they have a lot of good songwriting….

          2. BakedPenguin

            Bad Religion is still as reflexively leftist as ever …

            Yeah, used to love those guys…

          3. Nephilium

            Considering Fat Mike runs Fat Wreck Chords but reading that, they shilled for Kerry back in 2004.

            At least there will be beer and good music, and punk crowds are generally forgiving about people telling the band to shut the fuck up and play.

    5. Spudalicious

      Simple, everyone drives themselves. That way it becomes one case per person.

      1. Nephilium

        For a weekend? We must run in different circles.

        And they have a limit of one vehicle per camp site (that isn’t allowed to have a gods damned camp fire!).

        1. Spudalicious

          Just because of volume, I can only drink so much beer. That’s the purpose of bourbon.

          The other rules are just plain stupid.

        2. Rhywun

          Okay… I’m going to admit that there’s no way I could drink a case of beer on my own in a weekend. I don’t day drink so I would have to slam 8 beers in an evening and that would leave me so bloated I wouldn’t be able to move.

          Probably why I drink vodka.

    6. Playa Manhattan

      I’m not sure Pennywise even knows what anarchy is.

      Fletcher is kind of a cunt. Jim bailed for a reason.

      Some epic 4th of Julys, though.

  18. Tulip

    I am healing, but I have a coworker who just can’t look at me right now. He’s clearly freaked out.

    1. straffinrun

      Fuck with him. I would.

    2. Bob Boberson

      Its always tough to have a facial wound. I split the bridge of my nose open once and looked like this for about a week:

      https://imgur.com/gallery/xm6oo5J

      Well, minus the hair and claws. It feels weird to have people look at you and wince.

      1. Russian Kia Drives Yusef

        I just had some Cancer burned off my nose,

        1. MikeS

          I blame Not Adahn.

      2. Old Man With Candy

        I’ve gotten used to it.

    3. Tundra

      What did I miss, Tulip?

      1. Tulip

        I fell walking the dog and landed on my face. It’s…..really hideous. Especially now that some of the bruises are turning yellow and green. I am really tempted to crash some meetings and yell BOO!

        1. Gordilocks

          This is where the admins should really make an exception for picture posting for the ‘rest of us’.

        2. kinnath

          Not Boo. Song and dance time:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BQRGXFLJs

        3. MikeS

          Damn. Sorry to hear that. I guess the good news is it’s healing instead of getting worse and you turning into a freakish, hideous, deformed monster.

          /glass half full

          1. Tulip

            I look like a walking dead extra. I can open my left eye now, but the white is completely red. Totally creepy. Creeepy

        4. Tundra

          Just tell everyone you’re moonlighting as an MMA fighter.

          Sorry you took a bad header. I hope you get better soon!

          1. Tulip

            No, no. When people ask what happened, I say “terrorists “.

            Inside joke at work

          2. blackjack

            Just say: You should see the other guy/gal !

          3. Tulip

            Nope. Terrorists

          4. straffinrun

            Walk around muttering to yourself, “Get those sammiches faster next time”.

          5. Plinker762

            He told me twice?

      2. Spudalicious

        Tulip got drunk and tripped over a Q-tip, giving herself a righteous facial wound in the process.

        1. Tulip

          Sadly, I wasn’t drunk, just clumsy.

          1. Spudalicious

            Work with me.

      3. Sensei

        Same question. Hope Tulip is feeling better.

    4. Raphael

      Hope you have a nice and good recovery, Tulip.

    5. Russian Kia Drives Yusef

      What happened?

  19. Brochettaward

    I’m going to build an app where people can track border wall construction in real-time. Inch by inch. It’ll be great because it will piss off everyone.

    1. Plinker762

      So, an image that you won’t have to update.

      1. Brochettaward

        Like I said. Inch by inch. You zoom in on that shit and see every block added.

    2. commodious spittoon

      It’s going to be entertaining watching the administration piss away whatever billions of dollars the Dems give him not only not building the wall, but tied up in the courts defending every inch of the wall that’s not being built.

  20. straffinrun

    <a href="https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/422198-senate-approves-funding-bill-preventing-partial-government-shutdownSenate approves funding bill, preventing partial government shutdown

    It still needs to pass the House, which returned to Washington on Wednesday night, and be signed by President Trump.

    Republican senators say that while they believe Trump is unhappy with Congress passing a short-term fix, they believe he will sign it because they were able to keep other controversial policy riders off of it.

    1. Don Escaped Texas

      I still insist that this particular f-up in link formatting should be named for me. I’m no SF or Gilmore, but I give what I can.

      1. straffinrun

        Yeah, well maybe I meant to do that. (It’s all yours. Don’d)

      1. Ownbestenemy

        I’m a FedGov and I want him to bring out a big shredder and just piece by piece send it through

    1. Rhywun

      Zu lang; nicht gelesen.

      1. Rhywun

        OK, I read some of it. Sad to see Der Spiegel going the fake news route – I used to think they were decent.

        1. commodious spittoon

          Could argue they’re as much a victim of the author’s perfidy as his subjects. I mean, what are they supposed to do, fact check his reporting? Like they’ve got a stable of editors whose job it is to reach out and verify stories? *scoff*

          1. Rhywun

            Like they’ve got a stable of editors whose job it is to reach out and verify stories?

            Yeah, that would be looney tunes.

    2. straffinrun

      CNN Journalist of the Year 2014. *Does little boogie*

    3. Tundra

      Pathetic.

      And Fergus is a great town. Highly recommended.

    4. Brochettaward

      It’s funny. Whenever there are journalistic mistakes or, you know, blatant lies, they always just go that one direction. It’s like the most blatant shysters in the media know exactly what their peers and bosses want.

    5. commodious spittoon

      It’s incredible, innit: clucking their tongues at the backward, provincial fundies while getting rooked by a con artist and fed slop. Good job, brain trust.

    6. CPRM

      There is a self published author next town over who wrote a whole fiction book based here about how awful and not-progressive we are here. Couldn’t even be bothered to travel the 15 miles to get geography right. But at least it was admittedly fictional.

        1. commodious spittoon

          I really, really hate the acting.

          1. CPRM

            Really? He was so convincing in the Star Wars movies!

          2. commodious spittoon

            “I hate sand. It’s coarse, and it gets everywhere.”

            *shudders violently*

          3. CPRM

            No idea what you’re talking about. (see my Myth and the Mouse article)

          4. commodious spittoon

            Is Star Wars salvageable, do you think? I didn’t bother with TLJ… the reviews are… enough.

          5. CPRM

            Disney Wars? No. My great Aspie mind was able to see a way to make the prequels tolerable, but there really isn’t anything to salvage from the new films. Which is sad, they had much better production, but the stories make no sense if you cut out the crap, where as I could see the way to cut the fat in the prequels that still left a story intact.

          6. CPRM

            I mean, the way the movies are cut now they barely make sense. Same level of bad story telling with 98% less fat to cut.

          7. CPRM

            Sorry to go on. But where the prequels were a bloated mess with a semi-salvageable plot, the Disney movies already feel disjointed in the plot anything I could cut from a commercial release would make it make even less sense. However, if I were to get my hands on all the footage, that may be different, I don’t know. Certainly going forward they could be saved by good writers and directors (and editors) in subsequent pieces, but the movies as they stand now are 98% trash instead of the 78% trash the prequels were.

    7. Raphael

      I should probably write up an article here about the small Japanese town I live in. We’ll show them how to talk about the inaka life.

    8. MikeS

      Great article. But the ending really ground my gears:

      You see, we’re definitely not perfect here in Fergus Falls, and many of us feel a lot of responsibility right now, considering that our friends, family and neighbors voted against their own interests in 2016.

      Unfortunately now, even if it is in German, there is false historical documentation of our community that is not only completely wrong, but that our faces, our landscapes and our community’s name were used for, in service of perpetuating an ugly and exaggerated stereotype during a time when we, in both urban and rural places, need to find ways to understand each other more than to be divided.

      And by understand each other, I mean my conservative, Upper Midwestern neighbors need to listen to my proggy, Pacific Northwest political ideas more. For their own good!

      1. Sir Digby’s Contrabulous Faptraption

        voted against their own interests

        I hate, HATE (I’m using the word ‘hate’ here) that motherfuckin’ phrase, and the progs who use it, with a white-hot intensity that is only rivaled by quasars.

        Blow it out your ovipositors, you government-fellating shit-heels! In fact, those who utilize the phrase, “Vote against their own self-interests”, are “on the wrong side of history”. Suck on that!

        :hocks loogie at their feet:

        1. Rhywun

          I literally can’t even with those types, like OMG.

          1. Sir Digby’s Contrabulous Faptraption

            Thank you for making laugh, Rhy. I had, actually, got myself sorta worked up over that shit.

            Nails on a chalk board don’t tend to bother me, but that “idea” grates like, well, nails on a chalk board.

          2. Rhywun

            Laughter is the best medicine. I learned that from Readers Digest, a rube favorite.

          3. Sir Digby’s Contrabulous Faptraption

            B-but, I like Readers Digest….

            /mom says I’m cool!

    9. PieInTheSky

      His bit amused me

      I know I’m not the only rural advocate and citizen that is wary about the anthropological gaze on rural America

      The damn gaze man it is everywhere

      1. CPRM

        misread lead to the breaking edge of prog propaganda, “Anthropogenic gaze.”

  21. CPRM

    I know I’ve seen this episode before, but just rewatched it tonight, man Star Trek nailed 2018 college culture.

    1. Plinker762

      Bonk Bonk On the head

    2. Spudalicious

      So says the Grup.

      1. CPRM

        I’m the least Grup of all the Grups though.

  22. Chipping Pioneer

    wanting to shag or to fawn over pudgy little cherubs

    Paging John…

  23. PieInTheSky

    Slavery as a human institution is now, for the most part, a thing of the past. – except half the population is enslaved by the patriarchy

    Good morning glibs.

    1. CPRM

      Half?! Try 99% capitalist pig!

      1. commodious spittoon

        “Men are victims of patriarchy, too… but they still gotta suffer.”

        1. CPRM

          Yes, they must suffer, but they are enslaved by 1%, capitalist pig!

    2. Spudalicious

      Fuck off, Tulpa.

      1. Raphael

        He’s not just a Tulpa, but a TulpaInTheSky.

        1. PieInTheSky

          It is sad you need Romania to provide a higher quality of Tulpa. Trump should adres this issue

          1. Spudalicious

            So ends the American Empire.

          2. CPRM

            Like Romania is real place! LOL It’s a fabrication of the Masonic Lizard Jews. LOL

          3. Raphael

            Has anyone here even seen Romania? That’s right, it’s just a blatant attempt to gaslight us aware folk.

          4. commodious spittoon

            It’s like the South Dakota of Europe.

          5. CPRM

            I can’t see anything farther a foot a way from without my ‘glasses’ (Lizard blinders) so nothing outside of foot in front of me is real, it’s all a construct of the Masonic Lizard Jews. Reality only exists within a one foot circumference (you know I know what I’m talking about, I used a big word) around me, everything else is fake!

          6. Sir Digby’s Contrabulous Faptraption

            the Masonic Lizard Jews

            Now, see-that is a fantastic band name, right there.

            Would…listen to.

  24. commodious spittoon

    Awwww

    Wait, why does the puppy have an IV?

    Wait… why does the cat, too?

    1. CPRM

      “Dogs and Cats, living together!” That’s why you don’t cross the streams.

  25. Ownbestenemy

    It’s late but why not…

    13#1 – what would you have done if Hillary became president

    Me – nothing, why?

    13#2 – is that because the presidancy is not a god-like position of power

    Me – *sips a drink and sheds a tear* yep.

    1. Ownbestenemy

      More words of wisdom from my 13 year olds…

      People become president to hide the fact they are insane

      Hillary would probably have us in another war and our older brother would be shipped off

      Trump is nuts but at least his tweets make me laugh

    2. Raphael

      You got some awesome teeenagers. Hope they don’t give you too many headaches.

      1. Ownbestenemy

        Headaches every day but it is what it is. I just want them to be free thinkers…it is what I ask for every Christmas

        1. CPRM

          My mom says, “I wanted my kids to think outside the box, I just didn’t know it was going to be Pandora’s Box”.

    3. commodious spittoon

      There were lunatics who bemoaned the coming of Obama as some sign from heaven that Rapture was near… I imagine. And I imagine that perspective was played up to an extent, but it was hardly mainstream. Not like birtherism, something that was briefly popular, but not really emblematic of the right, and disavowed by pretty much anyone of influence. Never mind that it originated with the Clintons.

      The most memorable meme coming out of Obama’s campaign was the “Obama is a Keynesian” clip, at least as far as I remember. I voted for Obama in 2008.

      Compare that with Russian collusion, the no-shit shared hallucination of the entire left, a conspiracy that lefties in good standing can’t question without risking castigation as a part of the conspiracy. The Russia hoax is birtherism cranked to eleven, but rather than being treated as more dubious because of the hysteria, the left extols it as all the more believable. It’s birtherism gone mainstream, amplified by a pliant media, opportunistic pols, and a gullible base.

  26. Mojeaux

    @Tulip That injury sounds painful. Glad it’s healing and more good vibes coming your way.

  27. CPRM

    I hope you all are enjoying SF’s Masterpiece this week. When spud attacked him for betraying the original characters earlier it made me feel kind of bad, I know SF said it was getting out of the toxic environment of TOS, but I know it’s because I’ve driven the characters in a more PG-13 way in my helming of the cartoon. But by Gord, it seems to have lead to the best thing man has ever written!

    1. Ownbestenemy

      Harumph!

    2. Raphael

      I have been greatly enjoying SF’s version of The Christmas Carol. I liken it to the Muppet’s version but replace Rizzo and Gonzo with the Hat and the Hair and of course that SugarFree touch.

      1. CPRM

        I do feel proud when people say they can hear the voices because of the cartoon. Usually drugs are involved in that sort of thing.

        1. Raphael

          I love the voices. It’s like when I watch an anime after reading the manga and going damn, this sounded even better than it did in my head at first.

  28. PieInTheSky

    Also

    Peeps are generally attracted to younger looking potential mates, giving our species the evolutionary benefits of neoteny. However, this goes too far when it results in pederasty, hence OMWC.

    I thought OMWC was into little girls not boys.

    1. CPRM

      I made that mistake when I met him as well, and I paid dearly.

  29. BakedPenguin

    Jesus. Forrest Gump is a dark, dark movie. Good, but dark.

    Also, I want a lawyer present while I speak.(sorry, reflex)

    1. CPRM

      Did you just give me AIDS Jenny?

      1. BakedPenguin

        Yeah. Dark as hell. Respect, cause it’s well done, but damn…