Give me yesterday’s bread, this day’s flesh, and last year’s cider. (B. Franklin)
Most Americans have no idea what cider really is or its place in American history. The founding fathers brought apple trees and presses from England to the colonies. Everyone drank cider – morning, noon, and night – including children who drank watered-down cider. Apple trees and cider-making followed the settlers to the west. Nearly every homestead produced apples and cider.
The industrial revolution was the beginning of the end for cider consumption in America. As the population moved into cites, it became difficult to distribute cider in large enough quantities to serve the population. German immigrants in the mid-1800s brought beer-making processes and technologies to America that allowed for large-scale production of lagers. City-dwellers became beer drinkers, and cider-drinking was relegated to the country bumpkins. Prohibition killed what was left of cider production in the America. Orchards across the country ripped out cider apple trees and replaced them with eating apples and culinary apples. Now that cider is making a resurgence, orchards are frantically replanting cider apple varieties, but they are not keeping up with demand.
So, what is the difference between eating apples, culinary apples, and cider apples. Modern eating apples are basically just bags of sugar water with enough acid to keep them from being cloyingly sweet. They are crunchy and extremely juicy, which is desirable in an eating apple. But these juicy apples, actually have fairly low concentrations of sugar in the juice (typically about 10% sugar by weight). And, they don’t have much in the way of distinctive flavors. When you ferment away the sugar, you are left with modest alcohol levels (5% ABV) and bland flavors. Culinary apples are used for cooking or baking. Both tend to be high in acid. This provides sharpness to balance the sugar that is added during cooking and baking. Culinary apples can be used to make cider as they increase the acid level in the final product.
Cider apples generally fall into four categories based upon the relative levels of acid and tannin in each variety. If you are a wine geek, you understand that acid and tannin provide the structure and determine the mouthfeel of a wine. Acid and tannin serve the same purpose in cider. Acid makes your mouth water and conveys crispness in the product. Tannin provides bitterness and astringency (makes your mouth feel dry and sticky).
The most common cider apples were developed in England and France starting in the 1600s and continuing into the 1800s. The flesh of these apples is course and chewy, but it releases juice better than a modern apple when being pressed. The apples tend to be drier (less juicy) than modern apples, but they have much higher concentrations of sugar. Cider apples have complex, earthy flavors that are more intense than modern apples. These flavors carry over into the final product.
Sweet apples. These apples produce juice with very high concentrations of sugar – upwards of 19% sugar by weight (Brix). If fermented to dryness, this will produce alcohol levels to nearly 11% ABV.
Sharp apples. These apples produce juice with very high concentrations of malic acid, but relatively low levels of tannin. Sharp cider apples are similar to culinary apples, and some varieties of apples are used for both purposes.
Bittersweet apples. These apples produce high levels of both sugar and tannin. These apples also provide the classic cider flavor in traditional English and French ciders.
Bittersharp apples. These apples product high levels of both acid and tannin.
True cider apples are commonly referred to as “spitters”. They are either so tart or so tannic that you spit them out if you take a bite. One book on cider making from the 1800s stated that the best cider apples were so harsh the neighbors wouldn’t steal them and the pigs wouldn’t eat them when they fell on the ground.
Generally, cider is made from a blend of all four types of cider apples with roughly 40% from sweet apples, 30% from sharp apples, 20% from bittersweet apples, and 10% from bittersharp apples. The primary purpose of the sweet apple is to provide sugar for making alcohol. The sharp apples provide the acid for crispness, and the two types of bitter apples provide the tannin which completes the mouthfeel of the cider. A well-made cider is dry, acidic, and tannic. It has more in common with a dry red wine than the alcoholic soda pop that dominates the market right now.
It is rare for a cider to be made from a single variety of apple, but it can be done. Single-variety apple ciders typically use some variety of bittersharp apple which has all the necessary ingredients to make a balanced finish product – high sugar levels, high acid, high tannin levels, and complex flavors. Any single-variety apple cider you see on the market will be from a bittersharp apple (e.g., Kingston Black).
So, what are the options for a home cidermaker:
- Become really good friends with someone that grows cider apples and will share them with you instead of selling all of them into the commercial marketplace (or keeping all of them for themselves).
- Plant your own trees and wait (I planted in 2014. I should be getting apples soon).
- Make do with alternatives from your local orchard.
- Learn to make cyser (apple mead – subject of a future article).
- Seriously, don’t go there. The soft cider that you buy in the grocery store or at your local orchard is generally a blend of juices from modern eating apples. It is sweet and barely tart. If you ferment it, the sweet will be gone, and what is left will be bland.
The rest of this article is focused on option 3) above – making do with the apples you can find in your local orchard.
This means buying fresh apples, crushing the apples, and pressing out the juice. You need apples that provide complex flavors.
Focus on heirloom varieties, particularly classic apple-pie apples – varieties that originated 100 years ago or more. These apples will be in the neglected part of the orchard. No one wants these apples, but the owner of the orchard hasn’t pulled them out yet (it’s not really that bad, but it has some resemblance to reality). Old apple varieties tend to have rich earthy flavors that are clearly “apple”, but still “different” from anything you are used to. Modern eating apples are pale in comparison to heirlooms. The texture of these apples is weird. They do not crunch. They are chewy and even a bit rubbery. It is off-putting if you grew up on red delicious and have moved on to Galas or Honeycrisp.
The next apples you want are crabapples. Really. Every commercial orchard has crabapples. These apples produce vast amounts of pollen and are in bloom for a long time. Thus, they are valued as great pollinators in orchards. But orchards will grow crabs that are useful for other purposes as well – mostly for making jellies and jams. Some crab apples are sweet, but many are very high in acid.
The good news is you can make great cider without access to classic cider apples.
The bad news is that not all apples blend well together. The first year I got serious about making cider, I worked with 15 different varieties of apples. In the end, I made 6 different blends. Two were great (I kept those for myself); two were good (I gave those to good friends); and two were OK (those became party booze – make it sweet; put it in a keg; the drunks love it). A lot of experimentation is required. The best blend that I made included roughly equal parts of cider made from Whitney Crab (sweet yellow crabapple), Spartan (child of McIntosh, red with white flesh and wine-like flavor), Rhode Island Greening (one of the two oldest varieties in America, green with yellowish flesh, outstanding apple-pie apple), and Dolgo Crab (red with white flesh, shockingly sour, but actually has the highest sugar concentration of all the apples used that year).
To make things more complicated, apples harvest anywhere from early August to late October. The apples you most care about don’t harvest at the same time. Crabs typically harvest in early August and heirloom apple-pie apples harvest in October. This means you make cider from individual varieties and then blend them some time later.
Now to walk through the process of making of a single batch of Dolgo Crab Apple Cider.
You will need two crucial pieces of equipment – something to crush apples and something to press the juice out of the crushed apples. There are many different configurations of crushers and presses. Apple crushers have fingers that shred apples and grinders have blades that do the same. It’s a bad idea to run your hand through either one of them. Vertical basket presses are the lowest cost style of press to start with and come in two basic configurations – a grape/wine press or an apple/cider press. Either will do the job. They look similar but are different. The T-handled apple press can be used without nailing it to the ground. The wine press must be fixed in place or it will turn in circles as you crank on the handle (foreshadowing amusing photos in the upcoming wine article).
Whether you use a crusher or a grinder, the basic process is to put apples in the hopper and turn the crank. I have a hand-cranked crusher. With a little ingenuity, this can be converted into a motorized crusher. The next one I buy, when the orchard is producing, will be motorized.
Dolgo crab apples are about the size of a large cherry. They run through the crusher with ease. The fingers on the crusher are quite small. So, any apple bigger than these crab apples needs to be cut into halves or quarters depending on how big they are. While this seems like extra work, it means you get a chance to examine each apple and discard any that show signs of spoilage.
When you turn the crank, the fingers inside the crusher shred the apples. The shredded apples fall out of the bottom of the crusher and into a bucket. From here, the apples go into the press. There is one serious problem to contend with when using a vertical basket. The juice must flow from the apples in the middle of the basket to the outside where gaps between the slats allow juice to exit the basket. Unfortunately, crushed apples (and grapes for that matter) are basically slimy little pieces of fruit covered in sticky juice. When you squeeze two fruit pieces together, they form a water-tight seal. So, juice that is in the middle of the basket can’t get out. The solution to this problem is to mix rice hulls into the crushed fruit (all-grain brewers will be familiar with this trick). The rice hulls act like little straws providing channels between the pieces of fruit so that juice can flow between the pieces even under high pressure.
A couple of important notes. First, all apples oxidize; some faster than others. If you cut an apple in half and leave it on the counter, the exposed flesh will turn brown. If you crush and press fresh apples, the juice will turn brown as you watch. This is concerning to a beginning cidermaker, because, in almost all cases in brewing, oxidation is a bad thing. However, in cider, oxidation is a key part of the flavor profile of the finished product. And much of the browning will be reversed during fermentation thus yielding the classic yellow-gold color of cider. Note that heat also produces browning (ask the food geeks at Glibs about the Maillard reaction). So, pasteurization of apple juice can contribute to browning. But the browning due to pasteurization does not produce desirable flavors and will not be reversed during fermentation.
Second, I learned the hard way to line the wooden basked with screening material (I now buy screen door repair fabric at the hardware store). If you don’t line the basket, pulp and seed will be squeezed into the spaces between the wooden slats. This is a pain to clean up afterward.
One of the nifty features of Dolgo crab apples is the red pigment in the skins will rub off on your hands. It is also highly soluble. This results in pink colored juice running out of the press. I sliced the skins off a dozen or so apples and put them into the primary to enhance the color. Normally, I add oak cubes to secondary fermentation, but for this batch, I added medium toast French oak cubes in the primary. The cider was fermented with an English ale yeast (Wyeast 1318 London III). Note the primary is a Rubbermaid Brute which has a loose-fitting lid. There is no need for an airtight seal during primary fermentation.
After a week or so in the primary, the cider was racked to a 6 ½ gallon glass carboy. An airtight seal is provided by a rubber bung with a S-shaped airlock. It appears that I carried over the oak cubes from the primary because a week really isn’t long enough exposure for cubes. This is the time when a bacterial culture is introduced to the product to perform malo-lactic fermentation – the conversion of malic acid to lactic acid (the acid found in milk). This fermentation takes two or three months.
At some point, this batch of Dolgo cider was mixed with other batches of cider. Fining agents were used to clarify the blended cider (I really like Super Kleer). After it cleared, it was bottle conditioned by adding 1 ounce of raw cane sugar per gallon of product and bottling in beer bottles. This resulted in a sparkling, semi-dry cider.
Sometimes I keg and force carbonate. This allows the cider to be back sweetened and stabilized with potassium sorbate. The resulting product can be semi-sweet or sweet depending upon the target audience for the kegged product (party booze generally needs to be sweet, because there aren’t enough educated cider drinkers out there).
There are other major issues to consider.
Brewers will generally work with three types of acid in fruits: citric acid from citrus fruits (and many types of berries); tartaric acid from grapes; and malic acid from apples (and also many types of berries and grapes). For any given acid concentration, malic acid has the harshest flavor and mouth feel. Lactic acid has a much smoother flavor and mouth feel. Converting the malic acid in cider to lactic acid makes the product softer and smoother even at high acid levels (this is commonly done in a lot of red wine styles as well). So, malo-lactic fermentation provides great benefits to cider, but it comes with a significant risk.
The bacteria that convert malic acid to lactic acid are highly susceptible to potassium metabisulfite (sulfite) which is used to protect against spoilage organisms like Brettanomyces. And Brett lives everywhere. It is on the skins of fresh fruit. When you crush and press fresh fruit to make cider or wine, it is in the juice. It is essential to add sulfite to the fresh juice to kill spoilage organisms at the start of fermentation. Sulfite also works to prevent or reverse oxidation. When you put small amounts of sulfite into highly oxidized apple juice, it will chemically interact with the oxygen and become neutralized (read a book on wine chemistry if you care about the details). Thus, the amount of free sulfite in the juice drops quickly (this is complicated and could be the topic on a stand-alone article).
The goal is to introduce enough sulfite into the fresh juice to kill the spoilage organisms present on the fresh fruit, but at a low enough rate that there will be no free sulfite left by the end of primary fermentation. You can then rack into a secondary, pitch malo-lactic bacteria, and wait for 2 or 3 months for the bacteria to work while hoping your sanitation was good enough so that you didn’t introduce any new spoilage organisms going from primary to secondary. And the mathematical formula for getting that right is – I have no idea.
My process, which has worked so far, is to prepare a 1-quart spray bottle with a solution of 1 tsp of sulfite and 1 tsp of citric acid (sulfite works best in high acid solutions). I press juice into a small bucket. When the small bucket is full, I pour it into a large bucket and spray the juice with a couple of squirts of sulfite solution. Then I cover the large bucket with a lid while I continue to press juice. Eventually, all the juice is poured into a primary fermenter which was sanitized by spraying it down with the same sulfite solution. This seems to get enough sulfite into the juice to prevent spoilage while not carrying enough sulfite into the secondary to inhibit malo-lactic fermentation. After a couple of months of malo-lactic fermentation, I add about ¼ tsp of sulfite to each carboy. This will prevent spoilage during long-term aging.
That’s enough for now. Go forth and make cider.
Interesting article. All I have in my area is standard store varieties and no orchards within 3 time zones. Which of these would you recommend for a first attempt at cider?
MacIntosh and Granny Smith will give a bright crisp white-wine flavor profile.
You could probably male pineapple cider. Seriously.
I don’t like pineapple, but I would be willing to try that.
Mahalo for the recommendation. Pineapple vodka is good, not sure about cider.
I lurve pineapples. I would totally try drinking that.
Especially paired with a ham and pineapple pizza.
May as well throw that in the blender and call it a Glib cocktail.
Don’t forget the
chunkypeanut butter!Deep dish?
Is there any other kind?
Spam and pineapple pizza
This was… fantastic.
thanks
Cyser? That sounds interesting.
Apple juice and honey. The resulting product is more like wine at 12% ABV or higher. The honey provides aroma and complex flavors.
I made an apple beer once. I got the recipe out of Beeradvocate magazine. It wasn’t bad.
I had one another brewer made about 10 years ago. It was actually quite good. Apple and malt flavors work pretty well together.
Wow. Lots of info on that artic!e. It’s not for me, but it was a good read.
This was a fascinating read, but my god this sounds like way too much work.
It is a shit load of work. So, I decided to plant an orchard and make even more work for myself.
Are there any premade ciders that aren’t complete crap?
I think DEG mentioned there were some good dry ciders in the New England area.
I haven’t gone looking for any, because I made 110 gallons over two years. I have cases of it in the house. You’ll just have to visit Iowa.
I like Downeast. I think the one on tap around here is their 5.1% original blend which is a bit on the sweet side.
North Country Hard Cider has some great stuff, though I haven’t had anything from them in a while. Their ciders run the gamut.
Lol, I now it is marketing, but Dover area =/= the north country
Yeah, it’s the Seacoast area, but I don’t care. Their stuff is tasty.
Are there any premade ciders that aren’t complete crap?
Yes. I buy this stuff by the case-lot.
(Yeah, I know it’s a meadery, but they do a damn fine Cyser, too…)
And that link points to mead. So you are out of order.
Next article is on wine.
Then I get around to making mead, which is what I really do. Cider and wine are just sidelines.
So you are out of order.
Build a bridge. Get over it.
Tonight’s dinner: https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/j_CeH2K3Saaar84oEW73nA.5wgMZ-WnbR-R5kVex8ew-i
2 honking big prime filets that will end up with a garlic parmesan crust.
Yum.
Those steaks look nice. And I like the pattern on your Corning ware. I’m a collector, but a different pattern. Here’s the steak going down in my household tonight. https://twitter.com/egould310/status/1074074722273353728?s=21
Merry Christmas and Good Eating, everybody!
Socks!
Thanks for the recommendation. Good stuff so far.
Nice ribeye.
I have some golden butterfly & crazy daisy corelle. I’ve been watching eBay and might pick up some more.
I collect Butterfly Gold. I’ve got alot. Im pretty sure I have every piece, and muliples of everything. I also collect Pyrex bowls. And Mikasa from the 60’s/70’s. And Vera textiles.
I’m going to the Long Beach Antique Market tomorrow. https://www.longbeachantiquemarket.com/index.cfm/customer-info/enter-to-win/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA6dLgBRDoARIsAJgoM4sIcoyg_Wi6zZl9UL7f7oxfcq4Mk0Ryt3pdV_dMYPu-dEcGYvczktoaAitBEALw_wcB
Wasn’t planning on buying any Corelle or Pyrex. Now I’m looking for vintage guitars, amps, pedals, basses, Ludwig drums. 60’s/70’s only. But if I do come across done Pyrex or such….
Gould! You glorious bastard. You have me hooked on WFMU when Im trapped inside due to shitty/winter weather on Saturdays.
Yeah. It’s a pretty decent lineup. Micharl Shelley Rex, and Todd-o-phonic is a good way to spend a Saturday.
I would also recommend Garbage Time and Morricone Island. And surface Noise. And Radio Ravioli. There’s some good radio there. Glad you’re liking it.
..the things I learn here
I got the ribeye caps at Costco yesterday. Just salted them.
And yes, Sculpin. 6er of Grapefruit.
I’m lazy, impatient, and cheap when it comes to cider making
I just get bottled cider (sometimes apple juice) from the store (no preservatives of course), let it ferment for a 3-5 days, rack to a clean vessel loosely capped, pop it in the fridge and enjoy once chilled.
Its not carbonated, still fairly sweet.
Drink whatever you like. Make whatever you like to drink.
Always reminds me of Grandpa Tres saying, “you need to soak that in cider”.
I was nearly 20 before I sorted out what he meant.
Little girl runs up to her father saying “Daddy, Daddy! I got a big cut on my finger! Can you pour me some apple cider to fix it?”
“Cider?” replies her father. Don’t you mean iodine?
“No Daddy! I heard Mommy tell Aunt Joann that whenever she gets a big prick in her hand she puts it in cider!”
And family anecdotes like these are the key to the coveted Family Friendly rating.
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I am so happy we’re past apple season, or else I would be online buying shit I don’t need to buy, and causing myself grief I don’t need all in an attempt to make fermented apple juice.
No, no, no. It’s off-season. Now is when you get the big discounts.
Damn your eyes!
I’m still slightly hungover, but I decided I would have a beer or two. Samichlaus 2015. Prost!
*raises glass of wine from a box*
/belches numerous 24 oz. Millewaukee’s Beast Diets. Blows them @ you
Old Rasputin here.
Very interesting article. I have 2 kinds of crab apples that usually no one even wants. Only 2 trees but I’m thinking of planting some more apple trees in the spring. North Central MN is not really apple country, I ‘ve planted several over the years to watch the mice eat the bark off in the winter, under the deep snow, and the deer eat the branches. One problem is that I may not see the fruits of my labor but I enjoy watching things grow.
Now is the time to order. Cider trees will sell out
https://shop.cumminsnursery.com/shop/apple-trees/cider
You’ll need to be careful to find trees that will thrive in Zone 3.
I’m zone 5a, and that eliminates alot of cider trees from my orchard.
I planted a Honeycrisp 10 years ago (Duluth). The deer have attacked it nearly every year. I had one apple this year until June. I watched that little fucking fawn duck under the fence and eat it from the tree.
I’m thinking about applying for the in-city bow hunt next year just to get some payback.
My extended family has a cider press that is pretty much tribal property. My brother and I have made several batches of very dry cider from apples grown on my parents trees. We only had one batch go bad. An entire carboy had something happen and when we went to bottle it it gave the distinct odor of nail polish remover. We dumped that one out. Otherwise it’s been great. Sometimes its a little too dry and we just add a splash of ginger ale when we drink it to sweeten it (still much less sweet than most store bought ciders) when we drink it.
My uncles still make ‘apple jack’ which consists of putting cider in an oak barrel and adding table sugar and grape juice and letting the natural yeast ferment it to double digit alcohol content. It’s fucking gross.
Acetobacter. It was in the process of turning into vinegar.
Not sure what happened on that one. It went bad where the carboy sitting right next to it was fine. We had lots of cider that year so it was no great loss.
Sanitation failure in the carboy of bad booze.
Yeah I guess. It was surprising because we had done the exact same thing for all twenty gallons (in 5 gallon BCB’s)……we must have missed some minuscule residue in the cleaning process
“It’s fucking gross”
Here’s some good applejack: https://applejack.com/
Nice article. I’m going to Pocket it while we wait for our orchard to grow up. Thanks, kinnath!
You are welcome.
Great article. We are awash in apple orchards and they all sell cider. Unfortunately none of it is boozy. Would the non-fermented cider be a good starting juice base?
We also have tons of Northern Spy apples in the restaurant supply stores. They are leftovers from thanksgiving pie rush and cheap. Would they make good cider?
https://www.albemarleciderworks.com/orchard/apple/northern-spy
The white flesh is very juicy, crisp, tender and sweet with a rich, aromatic subacid flavor and is a good dessert apple and pie apple that is also used for cider.
The ready-to-drink ciders are blended to be pleasant to drink as it. Lots of sweetness with enough acid to keep the juice from being cloying. There will be little to no astringency from tannin.
If you have the ability to crush and press apples, you can use tart apple-pie apples (like granny smiths) to increase acid levels. And you can make up for the lack of tannin by using oak chips.
Thanks.
Nice write up Kinnnath, 1 problem…Alt text that’s the same as the caption is worse than no Alt text at all.
Harsh, but true.
Duly noted. I shall strive to do better.
Dammit. Despite what I said previously, I read the article.
Well done.
Thanks
I loved this. Every year I go to Normandy and over-indulge in all the great ciders on offer. My idea of Valhalla, I guess. Cheap as chips, too — my liver would need a liver if I moved in with my French rellies.
On my former property in Upstate NY, we had a 125 year old apple orchard. We’d get all the family to come over with their pickup trucks, have the kids climb the trees and shake all the apples into the beds of the trucks, then drive down to a local cider mill. A great day every autumn.
You are absolutely correct. The old varieties are fantastic for drinking.
/Wistfully raises glass in salute to what is evidently a shared Upstate NY tradition
Similar experience in Northern NH. I would not be surprised if the orchard that is on my dad’s property is over 100 years old. Most of the old farm houses in the area also had at a small orchard. We would pick apples and haul them off to a local mill too. This would have been late 70s early 80s.
Country bumpkins — all of you 😉
Relevant
The best kind of bumpkin!
We have both kinds!
+1 Country AND Western
+1 Bob’s Country Bunker
+3 Orange Whips
My wife’s father had a friend who owned a cider mill back when she was growing up who told stories like that. It spoiled her for life – she doesn’t drink cider anymore because it doesn’t live up to the cider of her memory.
This is a great overview, Thanks Kinnath.
I’ve been growing apples in Tennessee for 20 years. If you want to grow apples in the southeast, I could probably help. I had been thinking of submitting such an article to the Glibs. If there is any interest I will get one together.
Commercial orchards make cider from apples that don’t make the cut as 1st, or 2nds on the grading line. These apples are either too small, damaged, or discolored. Nothing wrong with making cider from them, but if the orchardist is not careful, apples with rots will enter the press, which gives an off flavor. Also, many orchards have a large number of red delicious trees. RDs make the most insipid drink imaginable, avoid it at all costs.
Golden delicious makes an excellent base. When well grown it can have a brix over 20, resulting in about 10 abv for finished cider. But it has no tannin, just a tad of sharp.
Macintosh – seldom grown well in the south, but it makes a decent sharp.
Arkansas Black – Grown primarily in NC and TN, an old variety that is high in tannin, sugar, and acid. Makes a very good single variety cider if fully ripened (mid Nov in TN)
Granny Smith – Really should not be grown in the north. It does not ripen until mid November in TN so it certainly doesn’t get ripe in more nothern states. You are just eating a “green” apple. When fully ripe it is an outstanding eating apple. Sharp, sweet, and almost effervescent. It is a sharp in cider.
Rome – Makes a decent base but lacks character.
Goldrush – A new cultivar. THE BEST APPLE I HAVE EVER EATEN. I had 3 bushels to try for cider, because I think it would be outstanding, but I ate them all. Mine were 27 brix! But they ripen really late, late Nov.
Anyone want any more opinions on apples or growing them just ask.
That would be a great article! I’d love that.
cool
what county you in (he asked since apple orchards were important where he grew up)
Cheatham, Just west of Nashville. I current have about 250 trees, but I had been in the process of starting a new orchard (1000 of trees)for the last 10 yrs. It didn’t work out as I don’t have the time, and f’ing deer.
BTW, are you in the environmental business?
I have 28 trees that are being trained to wires — espalier. And I have three other trees on dwarfing rootstock just a bit away.
I got a bit under 10 lbs of apples off two trees last year. I was expected more trees to start producing this year, but spring was very late. We had snow the 18th of April. A few blooms came out right after that, but it was cold as hell and there weren’t any bees.
Maybe next year.
A few blooms came out right after that, but it was cold as hell and there weren’t any bees.
Same here in the Lower Rainland™. It was a very odd spring and early summer.
Look up the Tall Spindle training system. It is much simpler to prune and more productive than espalier. That is what most new plantings are using, crazy yeilds very early.
I am familiar with tall spindle.
But I have this weird fascination with historical horticulture and brewing.
There is an orchard about 40 miles from here that is growing goldrush. They harvest the last week of October to the first week of November. This is in Iowa, so I doubt he is hitting 27 brix with the shorter season. They are now producing cider as well. I’ve had the cider from the goldrush. It has a great flavor.
I’m also a big fan of fresh cider and that was what I was going to use the goldrush for. I ussally freeze as much as I can when we press, But we end up giving most of it away. No crop this year due to lay freeze. Has happened 3 out of the last 5 yrs.
I’m in MI, I second the Golden delicious as a base. I’ve got a carbuoy that ended up around 9.5% on mostly those plus Nothern Spy for acid. I never thought to try the oak chips, might break out a couple gallons for that. I use champagne yeast, conditions nice. There is still one “public” press around here, bring them apples and they press them for you on a 1910 vintage press, $.50 per gallon.
I’ve done some trials. American oak is nice, but I love French oak. Medium toast is good for cider. Anything darker is for red wine.
One more beer for tonight. Miracle on 10th Ave, poured into a goblet.
We don’t have cider, so we’re choking down some Cedric Bouchard Champagne. Ah well.
You poor thing.
I didn’t mention the 1995 Cote-Rotie which we’re having with pizza.
Over the top, soldier.
We must play the hand we’re dealt.
It’s a cross which OMWC bears as befits his august station in life.
Hey either the drinks or the date need to be over 21, don’t other him for handling that problem in his own way.
My blushes, ‘flax. 😉
Cross? CROSS?????
It’s a
crosstsouris which OMWC bears as befits his august station in life.better?
“X” marks the spot, d00d. 😉
Sometimes it a W.
“It’s”, not “it”.
You Sir, are a man of principle!
To be fair, Jesus was Jewish….
Have a French 75.
Sorry to go way off topic, but damn. What a week.
I spent the last few days in the hospital. My little baby got RSV and it got bad in a hurry and her poor little 8 week old lungs got pneumonia. It was pretty bad and horribly frightening for awhile. She spent 4 days in the hospital, but we got to take her home today. She is much better. We have a nebulizer at the house now so we can continue her treatment.
Christ on a crutch it breaks a daddy’s heart to see his little girl struggling to breathe with an IV stuck in her forehead.
I give a great deal of thanks to her pediatrician who did what was needed to help her and I would just as soon pass in the ear of the 2 ER docs we took her to last weekend who sent her home and told us there isn’t much wrong. Fuckers could have killed my daughter if not for the dogged determination of my wife to make sure baby Ellis got the care she needed.
Glad to hear she is out of the woods.
I’m glad to hear your daughter is doing better.
Nothing scared me more in life than seeing my daughter in the hospital.
It put my heart in my throat. It’s terrible to see.
Amen to that. When my newborn daughter was on a respirator, I sobbed uncontrollably the first time I saw her.
Lachowsky, that is heartbreaking. I’m glad you caught it and she’s getting better.
It was more my wife than me. I was working when it started and wasnt available to see what was going on as well as she.
Thank God I earn a good enough living to allow her mother to stay home so that she was able to see that something was really wrong. I dont think anyone else on the planet would have been insistent enough to get her the help she needed.
Sorry you went through that. I’m happy to hear she is doing better.
Welcome to fatherhood. I’m glad to hear she’s doing better. Scary stuff.
Fatherhood is scary, because it makes you care. A great deal.
I’d like to tell you it gets better, but… But it will make you a better man.
Life didn’t return to normal until my daughter was in her mid-20s.
Glad to hear it’s getting better. Be well, and Merry Christmas!
Damn, dude. Scary shit. I’m really glad she has turned the corner.
I dont even like babies, and I’ll be the 1st to say “thats a cute kid”
Glad its working out for ya.
You’d love babies of you had one of your own.
Just sayin, because it’s true.
I had one once. He’s about to be a teen.
Been there, man, know what a horribly helpless feeling it is. My daughter couldn’t breathe properly at birth and spent two weeks in NICU before she could come home, then got a nasty case of RSV at five months. Fortunately, not quite so bad as to be in the hospital – we had her on a nebulizer at home but she did require constant care, IOW, no day care. We were lucky enough that my aunt is a retired nurse and was able to come stay with us for several weeks until she recovered.
Anyway, glad to hear that your daughter is home. All the best to you and your family.
You get it then. Thanks. It was rough for sure.
Whoa. That’s scary. Glad she’s recovering and you and the wife can breathe again, too.
Hmmm…”Someone” pushed the anti-Brooks button
No kidding. I typed out a long response and it was gone when I hit send.
*sigh*
There has to be *some* perk for voluntarily running this joint.
I don’t think it had anything to do with the eggnog I was drinking at the time….
Haha. You can’t be a proper all-powerful overlord if you don’t flex your muscles once in a while.
Okay, I’ve surpassed my Imperial Stout threshold. 2018 Goose Island “Bourbon County” Imperial Stout is over the line. It’s a semisweet chocolate shake in a glass and weighing in at 15.2%, a little dab’ll do ya.
Those are good stouts. I have an older vintage in the cabinet.
Thanks SP. You’re a good lady. I ain’t forgot your words of encouragement from a year ago.
*hugs
Argus cidery in Austin made a single-variety cider out of Cameo (!) apples. It was fantastic. Bone dry and mineral, it reminded me of Veuve Cliquot.
Never heard of “Cameo.” Last time I was in Normandy, one of my cousins drove me through the orchards near around Alençon, talking about the different varieties of apples.
I hadn’t heard of a single one of ’em.
Is it just me, or are ER docs getting worse? There’s a list going ’round ’bout our local hospital’s ER — out of 9 or so docs, only two are considered to be decent or better.
When did hospitals decide to staff ERs with the medical equivalent of the Junior Varsity team?
My father is an ER doctor. He quit his practice about 15 years ago. Hes has done naught but ER work since then.
He is universally respected in the small community we live in. Hes not well liked, but he is respected.
He also has been a doctor since 1976.
In my experience, when I have had to go to an ER that is not being served by my father, the level of knowledge and care has been subpar. Its normally a very young doctor who knows little. I think that there is a reason for this.
The reason is the money. Being an ER doc is about the lowest paying vocation a doctor can take. ER docs are either green or bottom of the barrel.
This is what I have planted in my little orchard:
Apples:
White Pearmain
Calville Blanc d’Hiver
Reinette du Canada
Lady
Court Pendu Plat
Cox’s Orange Pippin
Egremont Russet
Api Etoile
Summer Rambo
Kingston Black
Foxwhelp
Sops in Wine
Amere de Berthecourt
Michelin
Ashmead’s Kernel
Ribston Pippin
Kidd’s Orange Red
Tydeman’s Late Orange
Chisel Jersey
Somerset Redstreak
Herefordshire Redstreak
Stoke Red
Tremlett’s Bitter
Frequin Rouge
Medaille d’Or
Dolgo Crab
Pears:
Hendre Huffcap
Brandy
Conference
Buerre Hardy
Fantastic selection!
Nothing “newer” than the early 1900s.
Really envious.
Thank you for maintaining the heirloom varieties. I think that kind of stuff is important.
I graft cuttings and give them away to my friends.
Do they cross pollinate and create new variations?
No. Pollination leads to randomness. So you get a new type of apple. That generally is bad news. When someone — say the the people in MN that created Honeycrisp — breed a new variety, they may plant thousands of seedlings to get one good new variety.
So apples, like grapes, are propagated by cutting dormant growth or live growth from one tree and grafting it onto new rootstock.
That means that people have been propagating these trees by grafting for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Great googly-moogly.
Wow!! That is Kick. Ass.
I think an article on just your orchard would be interesting. How much land, how many trees, how you decided on varieties,…etc. Maybe a paragraph on a few of the more interesting varieties. With pictures, of course.
Agreed. A survey of the orchard would be cool.
And the same goes for Flying Poodle
I have already considered it. I will do something in the spring after dormant pruning. When the trees leaf out (and hopefully blossom) I will get some new photos.
Are you planing on a spray program? I have tried several of the old english apples and found they do not like my climate. I have heard the same from growers in NC. Most of the english varieties are really prone to scab and rots. Scab can be handled here in the heat but our humidity and heat during the summers make rots terrible. I tried growing organic-ish in the early years. I would scout the orchard each day. On a block of Empire apples I spotted some black rot spots, about the size of the head on a 10 penny nail. In about 5 days all the apples on those trees were infected, black, nasty balls of spores ready to infect the rest of my orchard.
The old varieties that I tried were Browns Apple, Kingston Black, Dabinett, ashmeds kernal, golden russet, and rusty coat. Some were better than others on the disease side, but were not very productive.
Hopefully your climate would be more productive.
Looks like some shrimp have entered the dinner scene. Surf n turf!! Thanks to my wife.
Tomorrow I’m making lamb shanks braised in beer and homemade broth. With cabbage, parsley, tomatoes. Served over basmati rise.
Tonight’s dinner was raclette cheese, melted and served over baby potatoes, steam cauliflower florets, and broccoli. Sprinkled with Hot Hungarian Paprika
Raclette is my favorite cheese. And there was some cheese leftover, so tomorrow’s eggs are going to extra tasty
I could eat that. We had raclette on pizza tonight, but often do a rosti with potatoes.