Thanksgiving Day Drunken Links

I gotta get busy cooking, so these will be brief. And I figure that y’all are too busy to do a lot of commenting anyway, but still. It will be a noisy day here, since it’s just SP, Wonder Dog, and me.

On our menu, besides obligatory football:

  • Arugula salad with red wine vinaigrette, tomato coulis, and bocconcini
  • Celeriac gratin (see the recipe post from this past weekend), with Champagne (Cedric Bouchard Inflorescence)
  • Roasted balsamic-glazed Brussels sprouts with pecans
  • Porcini and white mushrooms in a red wine gravy en croute, with Hermitage (1990 Jaboulet La Chapelle)
  • Apple-cranberry crisp with Swiss Servator’s Glogg

Love to know what the rest of the Glibertariat is doing…

President says stupid (if accurate) shit, Chief Justice says, “Hold my beer.”

Sometimes, you really have to work at it to gin up outrage.

Thanksgiving meals in Abu Dhabi are… different than ours.

The government’s gonna be all up in my shit, just wait and see.

I never, ever, ever want to be THIS drunk.

Amazon in Europe is more Europe than it is Amazon.

“(((My baby))) din do nuffin’!”

 

And Old Guy Music: the greatest prog rock band ever. Don’t argue, you’re wrong.

 

Comments

364 responses to “Thanksgiving Day Drunken Links”

  1. Suthenboy

    “Roberts said Wednesday the U.S. doesn’t have “Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges.”

    So says Chief Justice Penaltax.

    1. westernsloper

      Ya, the court needs to keep their mouths shut during political shit fights. The fact he and the likes of RBG have to chime in on something the president, idiotic or not, says proves they are not independent. I wonder if Roberts and RBG are going to recuse themselves from any Trump cases that come before them since they have decided to be political?

      1. Tonio

        ^This. All federal judges, but most particularly the Nazgul.

    2. PieInTheSky

      If that is true why all the outrage about who names judges?

    3. Stinky Wizzleteats

      I’m starting to think these judges aren’t the superhuman neutral beings we’ve been told they are.

    4. Scruffy Nerfherder

      When the court entertains a permissive view of the proper role of government in society, this will always be the result.

      Want to stop it? Keep government within its constitutional limits.

    5. Compare this to when the judges got pissed at Obama during the State of the Union, and everybody thought that was terrible behavior from the judges.

      Principals, not principles.

      1. westernsloper

        I don’t recall any justices making public statements about that. A search lead me to NYT article saying Alito shook his head and mouthed the words, “not true” when Obama was chastising them for Citizens United at the State of the Union. I have no recollection of any justices making any public comments to or about about any president actually. I am sure some have at some time throughout history but I am unaware of it.

        1. Tonio

          I’ll give him a mulligan on the head-shaking; that’s pretty involuntary. But the mouthing “not true” is one RCH over the line into public commentary IMO.

    6. DEG

      I read that article. The tone was much different than when Alito mouthed “Not true” during one of Obama’s State of the Union addresses. I know, surprise, surprise.

  2. SP

    And/or pumpkin pie.

    1. PieInTheSky

      eeeewwww gross

      1. SP

        If I want to call you “pumpkin” I can.

        1. PieInTheSky

          I…. well… hmmm

  3. Mustang

    Back in the US for the holiday. Up early to go elk hunting with the brother-in-law before the festivities. Going to be a good ‘Murican day. Happy Thanksgiving Glibs!

    1. PieInTheSky

      Leave those elk alone

      1. Grummun

        Hey! Mustang! Leave those elk alone… doo doo-di-doo doo doo-doo-doot …. hmmm that was a pretty good album, although Comfortably Numb got some much airplay I pretty much can’t listen to it anymore.

    2. straffinrun

      Smuggle some meat back. Happy Turkeyday.

    3. Aim small, miss small!

  4. westernsloper

    Love to know what the rest of the Glibertariat is doing…

    This is the first year in about five when I have family around so my folks invited me to dinner. Usually it is just me and I whip up a scaled down version of a traditional dinner and get drunk on wine and beer. Now I am going to my parents for roast chicken, pumpkin pie and no drinking. Mom was going to get a smoked turkey, (she did not want me to go to the trouble of doing it) but decided it was too expensive so she got a chicken to roast. I was surprised at how disappointed I was. I will have to drink my face off when I get home, and I am smoking a turkey this weekend damnit. I want smoked turkey!

    I am also taking SP’s dinner rolls.

    1. Nothing wrong with chicken on Thanksgiving. That’s how we usually roll.

      1. westernsloper

        It is more I had smoked turkey in my mind. That sounded really good.

        1. Sean

          The other day, on tv I saw someone who was smoking a turkey, but they had topped it with a woven bacon blanket first.

          ??

          1. westernsloper

            Now you’re talking!

          2. juris imprudent

            I’m not doing one this year, but that is how I do it – bacon shroud and into the Traeger (not at smoke temp, so it is more like wood fired oven effect).

    2. Bob Boberson

      I grew up in a non-drinking household. This Thanksgiving I will reflect on how I am blessed that I was able to convince my parents that ‘no-drinking’ was a construct of the progressive Protestants temperance movement rather than ‘bilblical Christianity’

      1. PieInTheSky

        sobriety is a social construct

      2. westernsloper

        When the whole family is together there is beer and wine and if this was at my place or my sisters that is how it would go down. Since I am going to their house I go by their rules. I am a jerk, but not that big of a jerk.

        1. Bob Boberson

          That’s understandable, family get together sans alcohol can be tedious but it’s cool that you respect their wishes.

          /Pours one out for westsloper

          1. Nephilium

            The girlfriend came from a non-drinking extended family. My family was the opposite. It took her about three holiday gatherings to ask me, “Do all of your family gatherings involve alcohol?”

          2. Bob Boberson

            I have so much more fun now that we all drink. My mom’s side of the family is all Irish Catholic and we have a good time together. I think back to when we were the ‘square Baptist family’ and feel bad for all the fun times my parents must have missed out on.

    3. straffinrun

      Pumpkin pie souncs great about right now. Macacroni with Chicken casserole (hotdish) and some KFC the wife picked up. The no alcohol stuff seems draconian.

    4. Spartacus

      We (Mrs. Spartacus, Spartacus Jr., and I) are going out for dinner to a nice place in Naples. I’m not a turkey lover so I can have prime rib and the fam can have their turkey. Or duck. The place does a nice Peking Duck as well.

      1. DEG

        Duck is good.

  5. Lackadaisical

    President says stupid (if accurate) shit, Chief Justice says, “Hold my beer.”

    Kind of naive, I think, not sure if that is a hold my beer moment. Maybe more-so because… why respond to Trump?

    I wonder how unusual that is, in the course of history.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      I think Roberts is more concerned with the appearance of an independent judiciary than an actual one.

      1. Lackadaisical

        Just like most the other swamp creatures (for example, the FBI).

    2. juris imprudent

      Trump’s mouth is quite unusual in the course of history, so reactions to it follow suit.

  6. leon

    “Sometimes, you really have to work at it to gin up outrage.”

    This one upsets me more in how Uneducated the people ginning up the cries of racisim are than the fact that they cry racisim. If they knew anything about their “n- Franklin” they would know that Shultz was a big advocate of equal treatment.

    1. Waterfall Insurance

      If Peppermint Patty was in that chair they would be complaining about doing that to a lesbian. Or any character other than too Christian Linus. There is no winning with these people.

      1. Suthenboy

        You are correct, there is no winning. All of this gibberish is just a pretense for getting what they want and aren’t saying: their boot on your neck. Until you give up everything you have and any means to resist them they will never quit.

        1. Bob Boberson

          ^^ This ^^. Usually I just roll my eyes at their nonsense but I got pretty triggered by a video someone posted last night. There is no debate, no accommodation. Until you kneel you are verboten. Fuck them, I’m not a kneeler.

      2. Lackadaisical

        One way you can satisfy them:

        “Here, just put your head on this chopping block, we swear we won’t swing the ax.”

      3. Not Adahn

        Peppermint Patty was at least bi, if not completely straight. She complained far too much about boys not liking her big nose, and she got way jealous whenever C.B. Showed interest in other girls.

  7. Waterfall Insurance

    I saw the headline for the thanksgiving in Abu Dhabi link and moved right on.

  8. Happy Thanksgiving, glibs.

    1. Lackadaisical

      Happy Thanksgiving to you too Pomp.

    2. Pi Guy

      I’m thankful for having Glibs to read.

      Happy T-Day, all you Tulpas.

  9. Lackadaisical

    It has been reported in the past that Peanuts creator Charles M. Schulz was an outspoken advocate for equal representation, though that does not seem to stop the comments from 2018 viewers of the program.

    Heh, that won’t save him (well, his legacy I guess). I have seen this before though, I wonder why it did end up being animated that way.

  10. Suthenboy

    “‘Charlie Brown Thanksgiving’ Scene Deemed Racist by Some Viewers”

    Of course they do. They should go blow it out of their ass somewhere else.

    1. straffinrun

      Triggered by the Great Trumpkin.

      1. Gillespie

        Not the Kite-eating Trumptree?

    2. Akira

      I just looked up that whole controversy. Good fucking god, what kind of sick sad human being do you have to be to notice that and see deliberate racism?

      Also, I distinctly remember there being an entire episode for Black History Month that was narrated by Franklin, and he talked about the history of slavery and spiritual songs. But yea, the producers of that show were evil racists who conspired to keep black people down by sneakily putting Franklin on one side of the table by himself.

      1. Luther Baldwin

        Not to mention the rampant microaggressions against the one person of dirt they bothered to show.

  11. Sean

    Happy Thanksgiving y’all.

    Going to be a lazy around the house day for me and my gf. We’ll run out midday to pick up some Boston Market turkey.

  12. Suthenboy

    I am not paying 1000 bucks for a toilet. Forget it.

    1. PieInTheSky

      A hole in the ground is good enough

  13. Lackadaisical

    Doctors realize that our patients will spend 99 percent of their time outside of our office.

    And of that 1% of time spent in your office, 99% will be spent waiting, not talking to you.

    The obvious solution is an upgrade to the toilet, which has not been significantly improved upon for hundreds of years.

    If it ain’t broke… (though hundreds of years is a bit of an exaggeration, iirc in 1900 lots of people still had outhouses).

    1. straffinrun

      Sameer Berry. That’s an apt gastroenterologist-in-training name.

      1. Suthenboy

        His nickname is ‘Dingle’?

    2. Lackadaisical

      and has nearly doubled in the last two years from 21 percent in 2016 to 33 percent this year.

      *squints*
      These are our best people?

      1. Lackadaisical

        But I do have one note of caution. As with any health device with remote-monitoring, there is a risk of triggering false alarms or over-diagnoses which could lead to unnecessary workups and increased costs.

        Almost definitely. Even mammograms do this, and I suspect those are a bit more accurate than iPoop will be.

        I realiz enow I could have made this all one comment, and I look like an asshole. At least I was being apropos to the link.

        1. Suthenboy

          On more than a few occasions I have flushed dog poop. I wonder what kind of false alarm that would set off.
          Spoiled food, left over glasses of liquor from the night before…I cant even imagine what else has gone down the shitter.

          1. Tulip

            That could be funny. No doubt they’ll make it illegal to flush stuff like that.

          2. Tonio

            They already force companies that pump out septic tanks to provide a mandatory sample to the government – warrantless search for meth labs.

          3. l0b0t

            We use a specific type of cat litter because it is safe to flush. I think it’s made of corn or wheat.

          4. Tonio

            Mop bucket water.

            But the spectre of government monitoring of our most intimate acts is the real issue, not the foreseeable technical issues.

        2. And when you point out the false alarms in mammograms, the Cult of Komen screams that you want to kill women.

          1. Lackadaisical

            I do. I hate all women, that is why I don’t want them to unnecessarily go through stress and surgery.

    3. Evan from Evansville

      George Costanza agrees.

      What else can they do?

    4. slumbrew

      I can’t believe this Adult Swim link has been topical twice in less than two (?) weeks: “Smart Pipe, Inc. is a registered sex offender”

    5. Gustave Lytton

      the toilet, which has not been significantly improved upon for hundreds of years

      Sez the asshole who doesn’t have washlets installed in their clinic.

  14. PieInTheSky

    Tossing a Bird That Does Not Fly Out of a Plane

    A Thanksgiving story about the limits of human empathy

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/yellville-turkey-trot/576184/

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      I’m not a fan of actions that cause suffering for the animal. Show a modicum of respect for your food.

      1. Suthenboy

        Agreed. It is giving its life so we can keep ours. A little respect is in order.

          1. PieInTheSky

            Who called the euphemism police?

    2. As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!

      1. Tonio

        It’s complicated:

        Turkeys, it seems worth mentioning, do not fly. Although the wild, dark-feathered ones you see in flocks on exurban roads are capable of fluttering up into and in between trees, the factory-farm-bred, white-feathered ones you eat on Thanksgiving are closer to the penguin side of the avian flying-ability spectrum. The birds can slow their descent by flapping wildly and catch the wind and glide, should they find themselves free-falling from 500 feet. But some die on impact, fleshy anvils with useless wings.

        1. juris imprudent

          You never watch WKRP in Cincinatti?

    3. commodious spittoon

      They’d drop geese out of spite, but those assholes fly.

  15. Tulip

    My mother is visiting and I am cooking.
    Salad with lemon garlic dressing – from my dressings post
    Seared duck breasts with orange cranberry sauce
    UCS pretzel rolls
    Green beans with mushrooms and almonds
    Caramel rose apple pie

  16. PieInTheSky

    1990 Jaboulet La Chapelle – sounds expensive

    1. Old Man With Candy

      If we had to buy it, sure. But it happened to be in our cellar, so…

      1. PieInTheSky

        And how did it get there? By exploiting the workers…

        1. Old Man With Candy

          Even worse, I think this bottle was a gift from a lawyer friend of SP’s and mine.

          Doing a quick search, $400-600 seems to be the going range for it in the US these days.

    2. Yeah; I’m just having a recent vintage Gewürztraminer.

      Dad’s actually got a bottle of Moscato in the fridge.

      smh

      1. Not Adahn

        My parent’s fridge currently contains one magnum of Riunite Lambrosco. And a wider of Shiner Bock, so there’s something drinkable.

  17. Evan from Evansville

    Just about 10 minutes ago I felt some weird pangs about not having a Thanksgiving dinner. Wasn’t expecting that emotion.

    Turns out my expat bar is serving free turkey and sausage in about 30 minutes. I’m sure something similar is happening with Raphael Gillespie.

    It’s strange that my Family meal is going to be with my “Family” of misfits and miscreants that decided at some time to leave their blood behind to live abroad. Expat communities are always so close by necessity of sanity. I am going to thoroughly enjoy breaking bread with all of them. They know how shit be and will be looking towards the same.

    It’s strange how people will create something in order to fill the void that once was.

    Happy Thanksgiving, all. Enjoy the time with your family in your heart and hearths.

    1. PieInTheSky

      The only time I had thanksgiving with American expats I brought a bottle of my home made sloe gin

      1. Evan from Evansville

        Probably got yo dick sucked, too!

        Disclaimer: I have no idea what “sloe” gin is.

        *Just looked it up*

        I have never eaten a plum in my life. Yet, I despise them. I can’t get my brain around the idea of a mushy fruit.

        But I’d drink the whole bottle with you, Pie.

        1. PieInTheSky

          Sloe is not a plum. My sloe gin was not bad I put like 20% of the sugar the recipe required. The amount of sugar in things amazes me.

          If you come to Romania maybe I make some more. This is about the time I should pick sloe but the bushes next to my mom’s property did not have much fruit last few years.

          1. Evan from Evansville

            I’ve said it before, but after my 6 months in Chiang Mai I’m going to have to evaluate the place further.

            Romania is at the top of my list of spots to move to.

    2. Bob Boberson

      Have fun. When I was active duty in the military those if us who didn’t fly home for the holidays always got together and spent a day cooking and lounging around whoever had the biggest apartments place. Those are some of my fondest Thanksgiving memories.

      1. Evan from Evansville

        I do miss the family minus dad cooking with the nephews and SiL.

        But goddamn. There is something special about unrelated people coming together for a Thanksgiving that is all of its own. Everyone is pining for home, and then you get drunk and fat and realize that this is your home, too.

        1. Tejicano

          When I was in grad school in the US, on Thanksgiving, another American guy and I made Thanksgiving dinner for a handful of Asian students. It was partly so we could have Thanksgiving and partly so our friends could experience an American Thanksgiving.

    3. straffinrun

      I’ve got a brother here, so I get all the family I need. Sucks to miss the family, Evan. Personally, I don’t even do the American holiday stuff anymore.

    4. Gillespie

      I’ve never been able to fit in with the other expats, rather…at least the ones that are in my same job/field. However, I’ve gotten along with random gaijin *shout-outs to my drinking homie from Cyprus who was visiting Tokyo and Kyoto for his honeymoon*

      1. Gillespie

        Also Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone here. Hope y’all are having a good and happy day.

      2. Evan from Evansville

        Interesting.

        Do you mind if I ask why that is? I fell into the community immediately. There are probably 500-1000 in Daejeon. I know probably 200 of them at least by face. The ones I don’t know are in EPIK (like JET in Japan) and they have to work mornings in public schools. HA! Fools. Our waking hours don’t overlap.

        Playing in bands probably helped. I also moved to this city in late-late 2009 so that’s probably got something to do it.

        1. Gillespie

          I joined in a very off-time. I was kind of a sudden replacement and the peeps on JET usually end up in cliques they found/met during Tokyo Orientation or in their orientations back in the prefecture. I didn’t have any of those it was that sudden. My orientation/getting to know people was just my office/school coworkers.

    5. Nephilium

      For several years those who had moved away from their family gathered to do a Thanksgiving diner. We were a bunch of misfits and freaks, and most of them now have families of their own. Happy Thanksgiving man.

  18. straffinrun

    Police say the man, who had been going through alcohol detoxification, wrapped the severed organ in a newspaper

    With Krugman’s column no less. The Eunich Times.

  19. Suthenboy

    I smell a rat in the Amazon story. I wasn’t sure what it is until I saw this quote – “‘Jeff Bezos is the richest bloke on the planet; he can afford to sort this out. ”

    Envy is perhaps the biggest problem humans face. It really is.

    1. PieInTheSky

      Envy and to many carbs… sugar especially

  20. Tulip

    The Amazon story says workers are suffering broken bones at work – it doesn’t say how. But, if that’s due to Amazon conditions, then they should strike.

    1. westernsloper

      I guarantee there is not inhumane conditions in any UK warehouse. You think OSHA is bad? Everything in that warehouse will be regulated by statute. I took NEBOSH in my former life and the Brits are crazy stupid about workplace safety.

      1. Tulip

        The number of ambulance calls is insane, I work in a place where the average age is 70 and people aren’t that healthy. I can’t remember the last time the ambulance came. Do they call the ambulance for hang nails?

        1. westernsloper

          I have no idea and have never worked in the UK, but if you read the quotes from the Amazon execs they claim it is less than other operations. Who knows but I think it has something to do with what Suthen gets at above. Bezos is rich and they want more of his money.

          1. Tulip

            I see no reason to believe Amazon executives are more truthful than the worker side. Just because I am not a fan of unions doesn’t mean I am a corporatist. Management also has an incentive to lie.

          2. Luther Baldwin

            I didn’t see any mention of how many workers there are. That tells me that they’re throwing out a “scary” number that doesn’t mean anything.

  21. Lackadaisical


    “(((My baby))) din do nuffin’!”

    “Israeli judge Zvi Gurfinkel sentenced the teenager to 10 years in jail plus a fine of NIS 60,000 on Thursday morning. Gurfinkel said the mental state of the defendant lowered his sentence considerably, Ynet reported. ”

    Jesus. To be sure, it was an asshole move, but it sounds like they punished him enough. I’m okay with not extraditing him, if the Israelis want to pick up the tab for the punishment.

  22. PieInTheSky

    Survey reveals how the Americans see Romania

    https://www.romania-insider.com/survey-how-americans-see-romania/amp/

    The study “Values, Perceptions and Representations of the Population in Romania and the US” is based on two polls conducted simultaneously by Inscop Research (Romania) and The Polling Company (United States). The surveys were conducted in Romania between October 12-23, 2018, and in the US between October 19-22, 2018. Both were based on the answers of 1.050 respondents.

    The poll carried out exclusively in the US revealed that 67% of the Americans have heard about Romania while 20% never heard about it. However, only 23% of respondents said they know that Romania is a country and 3% know that Romania is a former communist state. Another 3% mentioned that they know someone in Romania and 4% associated the country’s name with gymnastics and with Vlad Tepes/Dracula. 61% said they have heard about Romania in a different context.

    Meanwhile, 71% of respondents said they’ve heard about Transylvania but only 35% of the total consider that Transylvania is a region in Romania. 23% consider this region to be Dracula’s country, 4% consider it to be a region in Hungary, and 3% believe it is a region in another EU state.

    Asked to agree on a number of statements about Romania, 69% of Americans identified Romania as a European country, 36% – a country in the Black Sea region, 31% – a EU Member State, and 28% – a NATO member. 8% believe that Romania is located in Asia.

    More than a quarter of respondents (28%) said they are open to the idea of visiting Romania. Most of them are young people and people with higher income.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      When I think Romania, I think nubile vampire gymnasts servicing aging dictators set against a backdrop of gypsy covered mountains.

      1. Waterfall Insurance

        I’d watch that movie.

        1. Scruffy Nerfherder

          *feverishly starts preparing script pitch*

          1. PieInTheSky

            You need to film here to be authentic. I know a guy who can help with the permits…

          2. Scruffy Nerfherder

            I was thinking of filming in Vancouver to keep the costs down, and besides, that’s where all the SyFy movies are filmed.

    2. Suthenboy

      A large percentage of Americans have never been out of the state they were born in, at least not for an appreciable amount of time.

      1. Sean

        I live ~ an hour from the hospital i was born in. I’ve been up and down the eastern coast and into Canada. That’s it and I’m fine with that.

        1. PieInTheSky

          We in enlightened Europe are perfect aware you Americans are a bunch of ignorant xenophobes

          1. Sean

            I have a Romanian made rifle. I helped your economy. You’re welcome.
            ?

            My dad’s family fled Europe for the US. He was born in Austria.

          2. DEG

            AK? Mosin?

          3. Sean

            AK – wasr -2

          4. DEG

            Nice.

        2. Atanarjuat

          You’re missing out. Get out there. And if you’re single, traveling is by far the best way to meet chicks.

        3. Gustave Lytton

          Me too. I’ve lived 6 months in the Kuwaiti desert. I’m not unhappy to live where I do.

      2. Tejicano

        When I finished grad school I backpacked from Paris to Hong Kong. No planned route, no airplanes. Did another 2 months after that between Thailand, Taiwan, Okinawa… This was all about 25 years ago so long before the internet made it easy.

        1. Atanarjuat

          That’s awesome. My hangup is safe places cost too much to travel through (at my current net worth) and affordable places cost too much to travel to, or scare me (eg, Latin America)

          1. Tejicano

            I really couldn’t speak to which countries are still worth going to since smart phones and the internet have come to the fore.

            I used to backpack to places – from 1988 to about 1999 – which means just flying in and making my way with a copy of Lonely Planet for that country (or countries) and my ability to speak/navigate my way.

            I am sure that the internet has changed it all.

          2. Suthenboy

            Oh, C’mon, what’s a little kidnapping?

    3. DEG

      20% of those surveyed never heard of Romania? Fuck.

      When I think of Romania, the first things I think of are hot women, the Dacia Sandero, and Ceaușescu getting executed.

      1. Suthenboy

        The first thing I think of is the incredible beauty of the place.
        BTW Pie, thank you for your article including the photos from your trip. I really enjoyed that.

        1. DEG

          I remember that article. Those pictures were good. I’ll second your thanks.

    4. J. Frank Parnell

      71% of respondents said they’ve heard about Transylvania

      23% consider this region to be Dracula’s country

      Wait, where are all these people hearing about Transylvania outside of the context of vampires?

      1. Luther Baldwin

        Rocky Horror?

  23. Waterfall Insurance

    This year thanksgiving is just with my wife’s family. Her mom and sister live with us and her grandmother flew in to visit for a week. My family is back in Iowa. We are having chicken and noodles, pie and I’m not sure what else. My wife’s grandmother took over cooking this year so it’s a surprise for me.

    1. straffinrun

      You live with your Mother in law AND Sister in law?

      1. Waterfall Insurance

        Yeah… it mostly isn’t so bad. Free babysitting but It wasn’t my idea, a few sob stories later that my wife didn’t see as their fault and here we are.

        1. Lackadaisical

          This happened to my brother. Now divorced.

          Hopefully your sister-in-law is a better person.

  24. The Late P Brooks

    Roberts said Wednesday the U.S. doesn’t have “Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges.” He commented in a statement released by the Supreme Court after a query by The Associated Press.

    Next time, invite Trump to lunch, and tell him face to face.

    And then, this:

    [Trump] continued in a second tweet, asking why “are so many opposing view (on Border and Safety) cases filed there, and why are a vast number of those cases overturned. Please study the numbers, they are shocking. We need protection and security — these rulings are making our country unsafe! Very dangerous and unwise!”

    The 9th Circuit Court includes California and Arizona, which share a large border with Mexico, which would help to explain why border-related suits are filed in that court.

    I guess forum-shopping is a myth.

    1. Suthenboy

      Ohhhhhh. That explains why the same kinds of suits are filed in Hawaii.

  25. PieInTheSky

    For less a little less than the paltry sum of 500 dollars you too can heal your internalized whiteness

    https://twitter.com/lporiginalg/status/1065285095106392065

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      If I were single, I’d be tempted. A fake ID would come in handy. That’s a lot of crazy in one spot.

  26. straffinrun

    Thanksgiving at HM’s house. *Also, 4 million views in a day. Wow.

    1. straffinrun

      2016 and 2018 look similar after you drink as much as I have tonight.

    2. PieInTheSky

      I clicked and I now regret for increasing the view count on that

      1. Lackadaisical

        ^this.

    3. Gillespie

      Will this herald the return of the legendary THICC Thursdays?

  27. I’ll tell you all one thing I’m thankful for: That this site arose from the Great Glibertarian Diaspora from The Other Site.

    1. Gillespie

      I will drink to that, my friend of the Bearian persuasion.

    2. Bob Boberson

      SF said something the other day that resonated with me in the H&H thread. It realated to no longer feel angry after reading the comments like many of us I assume did @TOS. No medacious Tony posts, Hihn screeds or chemjeff preening. I always leave feeling educated and entertained.

      1. Suthenboy

        Oh, there is plenty to get your blood pressure up about, it just isnt coming from the commentariat. I agree with Animal. A lot of people went through a lot of trouble and work to get this place started.

        1. Bob Boberson

          That’s right. While I am being grateful I should emphasize that the founders efforts are not unnoticed or unappreciated (particularly SP). The herculian amount of work you all have done and continue to do is absolutely astounding and my life is better for it.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            Amen!

      2. Atanarjuat

        100%. I used to actually feel tightness in my chest when I accidentally forgot to scroll past Shriek’s posts. Now, that never happens.

        Thanks to the creators of this site for making a place where I can read and interact with people who are more intelligent, well-read, thoughtful and witty than myself.

      3. Even my comments? 😉

      4. Mojeaux

        I was addicted and it made me cranky. I found it to build up toxins in my mind.

        Agile Cyborg was the bright spot. He made me happy even when he seemed depressed. He challenged me to slow down, read words one by one, then put them back together again, and they made sense. I couldn’t skim his posts.

      5. Akira

        SF said something the other day that resonated with me in the H&H thread. It realated to no longer feel angry after reading the comments like many of us I assume did @TOS. No medacious Tony posts, Hihn screeds or chemjeff preening. I always leave feeling educated and entertained.

        To Be Sure™, it’s great to have a site like Glibertarians where we can get together without those distractions. Hats off to the Founders and everyone who contributes.

        … Who was that one commenter at The Other Site who would always go off on some rant about a “political satire case” or something? He had some blog he would link to in 100% of his posts.

    3. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Hear! Hear!

      *bangs shoe on podium*

    4. Tonio

      Group hug!

      1. Suthenboy

        Unless you are my child or my wife, I dont do hugs.

    5. Tulip

      Yes, thanks to the founders for all the work they do!

      1. dbleagle

        To the founders. Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

    6. Tundra

      Yep. This is a good place. Thanks for making it available to us.

    7. mindyourbusiness

      Three cheers to y’all, and especially to the Founders. You guys done good.

  28. PieInTheSky

    Also speaking of polls

    https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/1065400673221537792

    64.6% of Democrats think that a woman has the right to do what she wants with her body… AND that selling organs should be illegal.

    Oh I can imagine that selling organs does not go well on the left

    1. PieInTheSky

      65.2% of Republicans think that people shouldn’t be so easily offended… AND that Black Lives Matter is offensive

      39.1% of Democrats think that it’s wrong to negatively stereotype people based on their place of birth… AND that Southerners are more racist.

      1. Waterfall Insurance

        Philosophies are just a list of things you feel.

    2. Suthenboy

      It is just the selling part they have problems with. I have heard a few lefties advocate for mandatory organ donation.
      Incentives are bad. Forced at the point of a gun is good.

      1. Scruffy Nerfherder

        Bingo

        You don’t own your body, society does.

        Other examples: The War on Drugs, the FDA preventing early access to pharmaceuticals, etc…

        1. Suthenboy

          …or the fruit of your own labor, that’s a big one.

      2. Lackadaisical

        advocate for mandatory organ donation.

        But we’re the evil ones… :/

    3. invisible finger

      Why is it leftists only support freedom when it involves self-mutilation?

      1. westernsloper

        +1 pair of nuts in the front yard.

    4. juris imprudent

      She can have an abortion as long as there is no profit in it. Add profit and watch those fuckers turn pro-life.

  29. Bob Boberson

    Happy Thanksgiving you degenerates!!!!

    In all seriousness though I think Thanksgiving is the most underrated [American] holiday. Spending a little more time being grateful is good for the soul and could reverse a lot of the more disconcerting trends in our culture if it gained widespread traction. I’m grateful for this little corner of liberty in an unfree world.

    1. Lackadaisical

      I think you’re right. It is important to realize how good you have it. I also like the idea of spending time with family.

  30. Scruffy Nerfherder

    As a Thanksgiving surprise, I picked up a free and absolutely immaculate 1960 Hammond M-3 yesterday from a guy who listed it in the paper. I even got it home without breaking it, temperamental things that they are.

  31. The Late P Brooks

    64.6% of Democrats think that a woman has the right to do what she wants with her body… AND that selling organs should be illegal.

    Something something, consistency, hobgoblin, something.

  32. The Late P Brooks

    That this site arose from the Great Glibertarian Diaspora from The Other Site.

    Creative destruction, spontaneous order, responsible self rule… what more could a libertarian want?

    1. PieInTheSky

      Guns? Lower taxes? Legal drugs and prostitution? But enough of Romania

      1. Gustave Lytton

        The correct answer is Mexican ass pot.

    2. Scruffy Nerfherder

      An argument over whether the NAP arises from application of rational ideas or is derived from God-given rights?

      Maybe some more Georgist land tax disagreements?

      Wishing you all many arguments at the Thanksgiving table.

  33. Nephilium

    Turkey is in the oven, side dishes (except for the mashed potatoes and steamed vegetables) are all done. Now I just get to rehydrate, and dick around for a couple of hours.

    1. Gillespie

      just don’t dick around the turkey, especially when it’s in the oven. I heard that’s bad for you.

      1. Nephilium

        But then how will I get a juicy breast?

        1. Lackadaisical

          +1 Twerky

  34. The Late P Brooks

    But enough of Romania

    You certainly haven’t cornered the market on bloodsucking.

  35. The Late P Brooks

    Wishing you all many arguments at the Thanksgiving table.

    Speaking of which… I saw pieces from both Vox and Huffpose yesterday claiming that political arguments at Thanksgiving are a myth. They certainly would never be instigated by progressive True Believers. We all just want to get along. So I guess those “Guide to Schooling Crazy Uncle Cletus” articles they usually run just went right down the memory hole.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      The prog media is nothing if not short-memoried.

      1. Suthenboy

        You misspelled ‘mendacious’.

    2. Suthenboy

      As I recall the top dems, obama included, and the dem-op media actively encouraged their minions to ruin holiday dinners for their deplorable relatives.
      Just within the last month or so I saw Trump telling people to drop the politics, enjoy holiday dinners and bond with their families. Now, to be sure, Trump is still a bad guy and we hate him, but at least he got that right.

    3. Lackadaisical

      “After cleansing all my bad-thinking relatives from my life, my cat and I never have disagreements.”

      1. Lackadaisical

        “After cleansing all my bad-thinking relatives from my life, my the cat and I never have disagreements.”

        *I am sorry that my previous post indicated ownership of an animal. I realize this is both speciest and othering to our otherkin allies.

        1. Suthenboy

          “I live in a bubble”

  36. The Late P Brooks

    Top Collectivists

    With the embers still raining from blackened skies choked by California’s massive wildfires, the effort turns to rebuilding Paradise—a town of almost 30,000 that was wiped off the map.

    But experts warn that with megafires the new normal in a warming global climate, housing in the western United States is going to need a revolutionary rethink along the lines of villages dotting Europe’s wooded slopes.

    “I think people are thinking about if there is a way we can design the new Paradise that can look like more of a European village or a ski town, and not have houses out in the forests,” said Bill Stewart, co-director of the Center for Forestry at the University of California, Berkeley.

    Stewart suggests the approach seen in the Pyrenees mountains straddling France and Spain—villages surrounded by pastures with the forest further beyond—may be the model for California’s future.

    ————

    Climate change, poor management of forests by the US government and sharp increases in housing in the woods have all made such megafires more likely and more deadly, said Stewart.

    European countries such as France, Portugal and Spain lose a higher percentage of their forests to fire each year.

    But they rarely suffer the destruction and death seen regularly in California and its neighboring states, says Stewart, because “people don’t live in the forests.”

    The embers are still smoldering, but the looters are out there. If we just confiscate all that privately owned land, we can build a Disney Alpione Village for the peasants to live in, where they will be safe from the dire burden of thinking for themselves. Think of Society, won’t you? You signed the contract, now adhere to the terms.

    Seriously- these people are not just ignorant, they’re stupid.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      You forgot the other bonus to denser housing, more reasons for trains. Everybody loves trains.

      1. Lackadaisical

        You know who else loved trains?

        1. Bob Boberson

          Reverend Lovejoy?

        2. Suthenboy

          Mary Jane Rottencrotch?

        3. Tres Cool

          Stormy Daniels ?

        4. DrOtto

          Brett Kavanaugh?

        5. Akira

          Bobby Baccala?

      2. DrOtto

        When they run on time.

      3. Bob Boberson

        Cornelius Vanderbilt?

        1. Bob Boberson

          D’oh…..Gilmored

    2. Suthenboy

      “…with megafires the new normal in a warming global climate…”

      And we are going to have 10 Katrina’s per year from now on. Of course the climate is still warming, someone just needs to inform the thermometers.

      “…European countries such as France, Portugal and Spain lose a higher percentage of their forests to fire each year.”

      Yeah? I want to see the numbers on that. My memory is that the 1970’s had fires as bad as what we just saw in Ca, year after year. There were not nearly as many people living out in tinderbox country so the damage and casualties were less, but the fires were bad. So bad that it prompted a change in forestry practices.

      Worse liars: gun grabbers or watermelons?

      1. Bob Boberson

        The two are by no means mutually exclusive.

      2. Not an Economist

        Just to be contrarian, I will through this out there. If Professor Zharkova is right (IPCC worst case scenario is 1.5 w/m^2 increase, she is predicting 8 w/m^2 decrease), we may need all the CO2 we can get.

        Supposedly, she has actually predicted the latest sunspot cycle. Considering the climate models rarely succeed in their predictions, she is up on them.

        1. Suthenboy

          Recently I saw where someone pointed out to a prominent climate scientist (Jones? Mann? Some other name I cant remember?) that the sun is the primary driver of climate. The response? “We dont know of any mechanism by which that can happen.”
          It was the most ignorant/mendacious statement I can imagine a climate scientist making.

        2. Suthenboy

          Oh, and more CO2 wont help. The greenhouse effect, which we dont know the extent of which it affects us in our open system, is affected a negligible amount by CO2. Water vapor has a much greater effect, by far.
          Were we to enter a new ice age we would simply move south or adapt where we are.

    3. Luther Baldwin

      I would be more supportive of “people living in the forest” if I was convinced that tax dollars weren’t going to go towards rebuilding their houses. I bet they’re already properly insured but constant news coverage seems likely to gin up the call for “emergency funding” like it always does after some disaster or other.

    4. blackjack

      Way worse than that, the main exit roads were subjected to “road diets.” It’s some crazy bullshit where they block lanes of traffic to slow everyone down, thinking it’ll decrease accidents. They do this stupid crap in Los Angeles! Anyway the main roads leaving Paradise were blocked down to half size. Probably killed quite a few people with that bit of sheer stupidity. They had a recommendation from a judge based on an earlier fire (which killed ONE person) to open up the roads into and out of the town, but went with the road diet b.s. instead. Pretty much involuntary manslaughter.

    5. juris imprudent

      I read an article yesterday that the trees are still standing in Paradise – it wasn’t the wildfire, it was house-to-house ignition (dry pine needles in rain gutters, non-defensible with 5-10 ft of house, etc.) and the wind (which I’m sure someone will tell us that the wind is now worse because of climate change). So the whole argument about forest conditions is just wrong, much like bringing in climate change.

  37. The Late P Brooks

    Clowns to the left of me

    Trump’s suggestion that cold weather means the climate isn’t changing is wrong. NASA notes that weather is a short-term event (raininess, cloudiness, humidity, etc.), while climate is a measurement of weather over time.

    “In most places, weather can change from minute-to-minute, hour-to-hour, day-to-day, and season-to-season. Climate, however, is the average of weather over time and space,” the agency says on a government website. “An easy way to remember the difference is that climate is what you expect, like a very hot summer, and weather is what you get, like a hot day with pop-up thunderstorms.”

    The world’s scientists overwhelmingly agree that the climate is changing rapidly, and the planet has already warmed dramatically since pre-industrial times due to human activity. A landmark scientific report released by 13 federal agencies last year reached the same conclusion.

    Trump, however, has regularly expressed doubt about climate science and has appointed many like-minded officials to senior government positions, including the leaders of the Environmental Protection Agency and the Interior Department.

    Climate scientists lambasted the president’s message Wednesday, saying there was “nothing unusual” about it being cold in November.

    “This demonstrates once again that Donald Trump is not an individual to be taken seriously on any topic, let alone matters as serious as climate change,” Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University, told HuffPost in an email. “He is a clown — a dangerous clown.”

    The world’s scientists overwhelmingly agree.

    Yup. “Honest? Honest as the day is long.”

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Phrases you’ll never hear…

      The world’s libertarians overwhelmingly agree.

      1. Suthenboy

        No they dont.
        Wanna fight about it?

        *balls up fists and takes 19th century boxers stance*

    2. Suthenboy

      That is a heapin’ helpin’ of bullshit right there. How anyone can quote Michael Mann with a straight face is stunning.

    3. kbolino

      Michael Mann has done more to harm the cause of climate science than Donald Trump ever has or likely ever will. In 2-6 years, Trump will be gone, but Mann will still be around. He is a liar and a fraud who has set scientific inquiry back by decades. He should be persona non grata in any matters concerning science. Instead, he is continually allowed to speak, and even help up as a representative of climate science. His continued presence in media is proof that they aren’t interested in truth but instead in repetition of lies until they are believed as truth. And thus, it reveals that their biggest problem with Trump is not his lies but his understanding of their tactics.

  38. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Kids wanted to watch the Macy’s parade. Turned it on and the very first thing on is two fat chicks swapping slobber as the centerpiece of a musical number. Wife nixed that right away.

  39. Tres Cool

    Happy Thanksgiving.
    “As God is my witness, I though turkeys could fly. “

  40. creech

    Happy Thanksgiving to all Glibertarians. What time will Q be delivering the platter of white and dark breast meat?

  41. Rufus the Monocled

    DOES ANYBODY WORK?!

    Oh. Ok. For today it’s okay.

    Happy TG.

    /flicks ears of nearest orphan.

  42. The Late P Brooks

    “…European countries such as France, Portugal and Spain lose a higher percentage of their forests to fire each year.”

    Yeah? I want to see the numbers on that

    I’m guessing that’s just a statistical quirk misdirection.

    100,000 acres is a bigger chunk, proportionally, of Portugal than it is of the state of California, much less the continental U S.

    1. Lackadaisical

      You’re still missing it. A higher percentage of their forests. Not sure, but they probably also have smaller forests.

    2. Suthenboy

      They are counting on people having goldfish memory. They are constantly taking common but not widely known phenomena and touting it as some new, never seen disaster. The funny thing to me is that they are telling lies about something well documented that can be easily fact checked.
      Just off of the top of my head:
      1. Chicken Little: “OMG look at all of these seals on this island. They have all come here for safety, thousands of them because they cant survive on the warming ocean!” Truth: Island was made a seal refuge around 1900. People are forbidden to go there and disturb the seals because they gather there every year to mate and birth their young. The congregation is normal because the climate is normal. It it were abnormal they would not be congregating to mate. The island would have no seals.
      2. Chicken Little: *Film footage showing glaciers breaking off into the ocean, chunks of antarctic ice breaking off and icebergs floating around* Chicken Little: “OMG, the earth’s ice sheets are breaking up because they are melting!” Truth: If the warming earth hoax were true ice would stop accumulating and glaciers would slow, ice sheets would stop building up in winter. There would be fewer icebergs. Instead the glaciers are still flowing, the ice sheets still building up in winter and the normal calving process that we have known about forever continues apace.
      * I also haven’t forgotten about the ‘scientist’ who went to antarctica to study the melt due to global warming and got trapped in ice in an area where ice doesnt normally form. Or the moron true-believer who claimed that the antarctic sheet has past the point of no return and it is too late. They shut his ass up very quickly. The dummy doesnt understand that the scam only works if it’s never too late, doom has to be impending, not here already. We haven’t heard a peep about that in a couple of years.
      3. Chicken Little: “OMG hurricane Sandy hit New Jersey. NEW JERSEY! Hurricanes never hit New Jersey! The climate is changing dramatically!”
      Truth: https://2010-2014.commerce.gov/sites/default/files/images/2012/august/noaa-hurricane-tracker.jpg

      I could go on, they use this shitweasel tactic all of the time, but I will lay off. It’s Thanksgiving.

      1. BakedPenguin

        One other thing about the fires – they cause more damage now in part because logging used to create firebreaks.

        1. Suthenboy

          I forgot to list the first time I remember this tactic – There is a hole in the ozone!

          1. Bob Boberson

            Yeah, I remember when I was a kid, that and acid rain we’re going to be our demise, but nobody talks about that anymore. Like you said, ‘goldfish memory’

          2. blackjack

            Go a few back before that, and they were worried about over population, hitting “peak oil,” and they coming ICE AGE! I’m only 52 and in my childhood they feared ICE ages and now we’re all gonna roast as the ocean rises. Wonder why I’m skeptical?

        2. Akira

          One other thing about the fires – they cause more damage now in part because logging used to create firebreaks.

          There’s probably also more damage because of more construction of homes in these areas, just like with hurricanes. The dollar figures go up because these disasters would have struck an empty area, but now they’re destroying peoples’ homes.

  43. Lackadaisical

    NFTA proposes new, cheaper route for Metro Rail extension to Amherst

    NFTA Executive Director Kimberley A. Minkel said the revised plans carry a price tag of about $1 billion, as opposed to $1.2 billion (in 2014 dollars), mainly because of the reduction of subway tunnel from almost 10,000 linear feet to about 3,900.

    In addition, the need for a new underground station below Bailey Avenue is eliminated, as is the use of a complicated and expensive boring machine to build the longer tunnel. Now construction crews can “cut and cover” — the same method used on parts of the original Metro Rail project in the 1980s.

    Minkel said the impetus for the new route stems from the towns of Amherst and Tonawanda, whose officials early on recognized the economic development projected to result from new transit options along Niagara Falls Boulevard.

    “There is more opportunity for development on Niagara Falls Boulevard, and they wanted the benefits of the economic development that comes with a rail extension,” she said.

    Indeed. Tonawanda Supervisor Joseph H. Emminger said Monday that officials of both towns seek the benefits of a rail project expected to double ridership of the current system and link UB’s north, south and city campuses.

    “We’ve always taken the position we wanted it up on the boulevard sooner,” Emminger said. “That stretch is in the Kenilworth neighborhood, and it’s a little tired. It needs a stimulus to create some development along that strip of the boulevard.”

    “We’re looking for retail to go in there, and getting the light rail rapid transit up on the street quicker could cause that to happen,” he added.

    […]

    A $1 million study supporting the NFTA’s application to the Federal Transit Administration’s “New Starts” program predicted $1.7 billion in development along the entire route from downtown to Amherst, an increase in daily ridership from 20,000 to about 45,000 trips, and a $310 million increase in nearby property values that would raise tax revenues 32 percent for Buffalo and Amherst.

    No way this doubles ridership, probably 75% of those trips are by students using the system to get to school in buffalo. Everyone living in Buffalo, but especially the suburbs already own cars, and the damn thing stops running before midnight, so it isn’t even that good for going out on the town. Also the area they’re talking about adding more retail to is already adjacent to tons of strip malls, and is a nice little residential area with some mom and pop stores. Fucking billion dollars.

    1. Luther Baldwin

      I never owned a car in Buffalo – I was a poor college student. I do recall the thing was originally planned to go to Amherst and residents there shot it down.

    2. Bob Boberson

      Sounds like more bullshit akin to the Rochester-Toronto ferry. That was some good boondogglin’ right there.

      1. Bob Boberson

        For the uninitiated:

        https://rocwiki.org/Fast_Ferry

        The progs were almost as enthusiastic about this as they are about choo-choos.

        1. Lackadaisical

          Yeah, but that only wastes millions, that is little league. We’re going for another Buffalo Billion.

  44. egould310

    Happy Thanksgiving!

    Turkey Timer Pinocchio https://youtu.be/tndZVEvSW7c

  45. Tonio

    Good Morning and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. I hope you all have a safe, fun and delicious holiday. You all, and this site, are one of the things for which I am thankful.

    I’m killing time until this afternoon when I go to my friends’ house nearby for a delicious feast with my cycling friends.

    Biggest decision for day – kilt or slacks.

    1. Tulip

      Kilt. Always choose kilt.

      1. Tundra

        This.

        Happy Thanksgiving, you wonderful miscreants!

  46. egould310

    Despite the band being from Michigan, here is a trippy guitar glaze of psych, served on a slab of motorik. Heaters— Thanksgiving II https://youtu.be/_CfxUynNzI0

  47. DEG

    Love to know what the rest of the Glibertariat is doing…

    Drinking boozy coffee. Later I’ll call relatives.

    1. Suthenboy

      Now I want some, but I cant. I have to drive so no booze for me until I get home. Just coffee doesnt sound too bad, it’ll have to do.

  48. DEG

    The smart toilet I’m referring to is a health-tracking toilet.

    The German shelf toilet is ahead of its time.

    1. Bob Boberson

      #grossestpoopievertook #aweek eatinggermanfooddidn’thelp

    2. Suthenboy

      No way they would use this to look for illegal substances or anything adversely affecting your health according to the latest study. No way cops would kick in your door at midnight or your insurance rates would skyrocket or claims denied.
      That would never happen. It’s for your own good. You can trust them.

      1. DEG

        You just need to win the struggle against yourself and learn to love Big Brother.

        1. Suthenboy

          I dont think even Orwell saw the poop snoopers coming.

          1. Bob Boberson

            Can’t wait to get a notice from the USDA that I’m deficient in dietary fiber

          2. DEG

            He had kids turning over their parents. I don’t think he was far off the mark.

          3. Suthenboy

            I started to say shit sniffers but poop snoopers had a better ring to it.

            Orwell was like Rand, he had seen it before. Tyrants have had kids turning their parents in forever.
            But poop snoopers? Good lord.

          4. Tonio

            Pooper snoopers. Remember that; we’re going to need it in a few years when this becomes an actual policy debate outside our circles.

    1. She must be sleeping with the Daily Fail’s EIC.

  49. Thanksgiving thots ready to baste your drumstick.

    http://archive.is/iFeEC

    18 wins the THICC award. 45 wins the titty award. 42 wins Best in Show.

    1. J. Frank Parnell

      Well, I like goth girls, so 32.

    2. Gustave Lytton

      I’d say 1 and done, but it’s Thanksgiving so gorging is called for.

      Thank you Q.

      1. Lackadaisical

        Sweet Jesus, you weren’t kidding.

  50. Suthenboy

    Wife, just now: “I wish Bass Pro was closer. They have an unbelievable sale on jeans, flannel shirts and boots. Look at this!” *holds up sale paper to my face that came in the mail*

    Me: “I hate those damned people.”

    Her: ” What? What are you talking about? Why?”

    Me: “They are worse than Harbor Freight. You walk in and it’s like walking into Santa’s workshop. Your free will just evaporates. You cant get out of the door for less than a couple hundred bucks, at least. They are evil. The only way to counter their sorcery is to leave your wallet in the car.”

    Her: “We need to go to Bass Pro.”

    *Me, sighing and facepalming*

    1. Tres Cool

      I get it. Harbor Freight be dope af, even though you know you’re likely getting someone that will break in a week.

      1. Suthenboy

        I was looking at handsaws one day in HF. On the aisle next to me I heard a woman say to her husband “Really? You need that? How much of this stuff do you need?”
        His reply – “Two of everything in the store.”
        I laughed. They heard me. Without seeing who I was talking to I Replied “My wife and I have had the same conversation, word for word.”

      2. Tundra

        I have a lot of good tools, but there are definitely some gems at HF. I bought a hammer drill there for a project that had a high potential for destruction. Not only did it survive, the damn thing worked great and i ended up giving it to my BIL. It still works great many years later.

        1. Gustave Lytton

          My boss calls it the Chinese toy store. I got a couple things from HF, like a rolling stool & a handcart. Both have held up for the low price. A project where you know it’s going to get destroyed or ruined is pretty much perfect for HF.

          1. Tundra

            It’s also good to have tools that you can loan indiscriminately.

          2. Gustave Lytton

            I’ve got a set of (then) cheap Stanley screwdrivers* hanging on the garage wall by the door. Don’t care if they rust or get dirty or whatever. I probably end up grabbing them more often than from my toolbox.

            *Made in the USA Stanleys which can’t be purchased anymore, so priceless?

          3. Tres Cool

            ^^^^ this
            My work toolboxes are almost exclusively HF stock, cause if they get lost and/or stolen, its not much of a hit to my project to replace them.

          4. blackjack

            I’m a mechanic. I have pretty close to 100k in tools. There’s a bunch of times where cheap stuff will NOT work and only the the good stuff will. I can’t afford to fight with a fastener for hours and finally have to cut it out, when I could have just popped it right out with a quality tool. I don’t loan tools out from my box, I have various cheap tools around the house that you can have if you need them.

      3. Suthenboy

        It is hit and miss there. I have a router that is 15 yo and still works like new. I have a few things like that. I also have a handsaw that cuts worse than a jagged stone. I bought some long screw drivers to reach the screw that bolts stock to receiver on a couple of ruger rifles and they broke like sugar candy with hardly any effort on my part. I bought some high end sockets from them and they are great but I suspect the steel in their shaper blades is not tempered. Some of their carbide tipped circular saw blades are fantastic, some not so much.

        It’s a crap shoot.

  51. The Late P Brooks

    I, uh…

    Police say Warren was driving through a Portland neighborhood in September when Magnuson began screaming at him to slow down. However, three witnesses told officers that Warren was not speeding. After Warren stopped his vehicle and got out, Magnuson called him the n-word repeatedly, then took a swing at Warren that missed, say police. At that point, Warren landed a punch above Magnuson’s eye that knocked him down. Magnuson lost consciousness briefly and died later in the evening, reports the Washington Post.

    “Oregon law contains no ‘duty to retreat’ and Mr. Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Magnuson was addressing him,” wrote Adam Gibbs, senior deputy district attorney in Multnomah County, explaining the decision not to prosecute. “Mr. Magnuson was the initial verbal aggressor; Mr. Warren responded in kind. Mr. Magnuson then escalated and became the initial physical aggressor; Mr. Warren again responded in kind.” The DA’s office acknowledges that Magnuson would likely be alive today had Warren not stopped his vehicle, but it says Warren’s decision to answer the “racist vitriol” is “not of legal consequence.” Also of note: The medical examiner said Magnuson had been in “extremely poor health.”

    Suicide by fedex.

    1. Bob Boberson

      Something tells me that if the races/roles were reversed the write up would have a different tone. That being said im not seeing any fault in the courts logic

    2. DrOtto

      If Magnuson had those turtles set up in the street telling drivers to slow down, then Warren should also receive a medal for his actions.

    3. Gustave Lytton

      The DA’s office acknowledges that Magnuson would likely be alive today had Warren not stopped his vehicle Magnuson kept his mouth shut and not assaulted Mr Warren.

      ftfy

  52. The Late P Brooks

    The DA’s office acknowledges that Magnuson would likely be alive today had Warren not stopped his vehicle, but it says Warren’s decision to answer the “racist vitriol” is “not of legal consequence.”

    Actually, as I read this, I am warmed by a tiny, feeble spark of hope.

    It doesn’t matter if the guy called him a nigger. He assaulted him, and Warren was justified in using force to defend himself.

    1. Tres Cool

      I’m puzzled by why it’s relevant to include “he was in poor health”. Would that have been included if he’d shot the guy?

    2. Luther Baldwin

      That’s the way I see it too. Everything that happened before the first punch is irrelevant but of course that will be the focus of the story because RACE.

      1. Everything that happened before the first punch is irrelevant

        Unless he called the guys daughter a whore and a cunt.

  53. The Late P Brooks

    Something tells me that if the races/roles were reversed the write up would have a different tone.

    Yeah, I suspect that’s true.

  54. The Late P Brooks

    I’m puzzled by why it’s relevant to include “he was in poor health”.

    I’m assuming that’s there to help explain the lethality of the punch.

    1. Suthenboy

      It goes to intent. It is unlikely that he meant to kill the guy. Dumbass’s fragile health, probably blood clots, allowed a simple punch to be lethal, something Warren could not have foreseen.

  55. deadhead

    Five songs for Thanksgiving: all Americana and family, with some drinking and gratitude to round it out.

    Thank youall Glibs, even the lurkers.

  56. BakedPenguin

    OT: Considering buying a few games from GOG from their Black Friday sale. Can anyone give me their opinions on these games / franchises? Thanks & Happy Thanksgiving.

    Europa Universalis

    Quake

    Fallout

    Order of Battle

    Elder Scrolls

    1. Pan Zagloba

      Europa Universalis is pretty good if you like strategy games. In-game tutorials are not the best, but watching a few videos from people who know their shit (Quil18, Arumba) should get you going. There’s a ton of DLC and figuring out which is good is a challenge, unless you go all-in, but reddit got your back.

      I prefer it to Civ series by far, although I prefere Crusader Kings II to it, because it’s more flavorful and games are very personal, rather than stand-off spreadsheety.

      1. BakedPenguin

        Would you rec 2 or 3?

        1. Pan Zagloba

          I played 2 aaages ago but don’t remember much. 3 I never tried. Not sure there’s reason to get them, 4 is so much richer in game possibilities.

    2. Nephilium

      Which Elder Scrolls? All of them are sandbox fantasy RPG. The main stories are usually weak, and the games come out buggy as all get out. However, there’s a lot you can do in the games, and modders have made significant improvements to lots of them.

      1. BakedPenguin

        I was looking at Oblivion & Morrowind

        1. RegicidalManiac

          Both great games, well worth owning. Morrowind is less usable but more complex than Oblivion. I enjoy it, but I’ve played much more Oblivion and find that more fun.

        2. Nephilium

          As long as you can handle the graphics, I preferred Morrowind to Oblivion. Oblivion (IIRC) was the first to use the scaling encounters, so as you leveled up, the monsters and bandits you ran across leveled up too. It gets a bit ridiculous when someone wearing thousands of gold pieces of armor is trying to rob you for 10 gold pieces. It also takes away from the feeling of growth, instead of having areas that are too dangerous to go into, leveling up until you’re strong enough, and then feeling accomplished when you’re thriving there, everything just stays at about the same difficulty (as long as you level up combat abilities).

    3. Not Adahn

      I played the neck out of Fallout. It might seem dated now though. The infinity engine games still have nostalgic appeal for me, but it is visually lacking.

      1. Nephilium

        Fallout 2 was the peak of the franchise (still haven’t picked up Fallout 4, waiting for GOTY and a sale).

        1. RegicidalManiac

          4 is, at best, okay. New Vegas is definitely the peak of the first person Fallout games.

          1. BakedPenguin

            GOG has New Vegas Ultimate for $10 (and 2 for $2.50)

          2. Nephilium

            Both are well worth it. I agree that New Vegas was much better then Fallout 3 (I can rage about that for hours), and it really captured the story and setting from Fallout 1 and 2.

    4. BakedPenguin

      Thanks again, everyone. I ordered about 5 games and 3 DLCs, and it still came in under $50.

      1. Lackadaisical

        Europa Universalis, which one?

        I bought 4 a few years back and have over a thousand hours on it. I think most my other games are in the 1-200 hours range.

        1. BakedPenguin

          Thx, Lack, but I was ordering from GOG. They sell out-of-date games for cheap. The latest they had was 3, which I got along with the DLC.

  57. J. Frank Parnell

    Love to know what the rest of the Glibertariat is doing…

    We politely declined the invite from my relatives, since (a) there was nobody in from out of town, just all the locals we see every month or two, and (b) with holiday traffic it would be a 1.5-2 hour drive each way.

    Instead we’re going to a restaurant with my wife’s parents. I expect that at some point my FIL will go off on a brief, Maddow-parroting rant about der Drumpfenfuhrer, but other than that it should be pretty politics-free.

    1. Suthenboy

      I understand why establishment pols hate Trump. He is taking power away from wildly incompetent and corrupt people who are used to looking down their nose at everyone else while raking in millions. They cant make it anywhere else. They wont be rich or get to order the peasants about. What I dont get is the Trump hate from people who really have no stake in upending the privileged class. What gives? The ‘to be sure’ crowd is puzzling to me also. “Trump did X, Y,Z, 1,2,3 and 4. It was long overdue. I have been advocating for that stuff for decades but I never dreamed it would actually happen. Trump was absolutely right there. Now dont get me wrong Trump is still and evil meenie, to be sure.”
      What the hell is that?

      1. Tonio

        Literally Hitler. Trump, that is. Well, all of us who are not fervent and conspicuous anti-Trumpists, too. And that’s exactly why. The hard left is batshit terrified of him and have managed to scare a good portion of the populace into believing them. And the separating kids thing was Trump’s gift that keeps on giving to them – which is not to rekindle the debate so much as to acknowledge that it is an issue that resonates with many people.

  58. KSuellington

    Happy Best Holiday of the Year. Thanks to those that keep this place running. And thanks to OMWC for the reminder about the Peanuts Thanksgiving Special, I just put it on for the kids.

  59. westernsloper

    I am making SP’s dinner rolls now and as I follow the recipe, I must comment that in my kitchen I use the “man inches” scale of measurement so the pan I am using is what I call the spring form 16 incher.

  60. DEG

    I really hate the latest import markings on surplus firearms. See picture five. I suspect a regulation change but can’t find a reference.

    1. kbolino

      Is it double-struck on purpose?

      1. DEG

        I think it’s a mistake by the importer. That’s the only double struck import mark I’ve seen.

    2. Gustave Lytton

      Damn.

  61. Tundra

    Love to know what the rest of the Glibertariat is doing…

    Just got back from picking up Spawn 1. He got up at 5 to go fishing.

    I’m kind of lost since I’m not hosting for the first time in several years. My turkey won’t take very long so I don’t even have much prep to do this morning. Kind of nice, actually.

  62. Pope Jimbo

    I’m actually thankful for the chance to interact with you fuckers. I can’t tell you how much it means to me.

    Since I’m semi-drunk after a few beers and cocktails following my family’s annual Turkey Trot 5K, I thought I’d share the Ultimate Millennial Picture

    Altar Boy #2 proudly showing off his two participation medals. Smugly. Feel free to mock him. We all did.

    1. Tundra

      Happy Thanksgiving Holiness!

      Did you run the one downtown?

      1. Pope Jimbo

        Yup. I was wearing my old school 2005 shirt. My sister and daughter ran walked for the first time this year. Always a great way to start the day. Surrounded by fit young ladies in yoga pants.

        The pictured Altar Boy was pretty full of himself because a girl from his high school was an ambassador (or something) who was greeting the finishers and she squealed when she saw him. So he got to upstage his old man by knowing a pretty girl and having her publicly acknowledge him.

        1. egould310

          Good looking kid. Happy Thanksgiving!

          1. Tundra

            His looks come from his mother.

            Trust me on this 😉

        2. Tundra

          Nice! We ran that several times as a family and loved it.

          Go on the kid for scoring hottie points. That will keep him flying high for awhile!

      2. Pope Jimbo

        A jackass was running the 5K with a flag that he had spray painted “Impeach Trump” onto. My proggie sister was laughing because the guy was admonished by a cop who was doing traffic control with – and I quote my sister – “Uffda. Way to come together for the holidays buddy”

        I know it is anecdotal but if she is laughing at the weirdos in The Resistance, they have jumped the shark.

        1. Tundra

          Yeah, my proggies don’t even bother anymore. I think they are embarrassed by the whole thing.

        2. Lackadaisical

          Uffda. Way to come together for the holidays buddy”

          That is a great response. People often wear funny costumes and whatnot for the Turkey Trot here, but politics is typically left out, because it isn’t in the spirit of fun.

    2. DEG

      TWO?!? Two participation medals? Fuck.

  63. CPRM

    Just got home from work, heading to the family gathering shortly.

  64. Tres Cool

    If nobody has linked this yet, Im haz much disappoint.

    1. dbleagle

      You can get anything you want……

      Back in the day in Tucson they would play the complete thing every Thanksgiving.

  65. dbleagle

    Just back from a dawn walk on the beach and getting ready to cook some breakfast and watch the first NFL game of the day.

    Later I’ll go to a friend’s house to have traditional Turkey Day food with some of the people I sail with. My contribution will be some of my aged nog (rest continues to age for later) and some zucchini strudel since I have to clear those things out of my fridge.

    Since I’ll be eating last for the group. I hope the entire Glibertariat had a great Thanksgiving in whatever time zone you find yourself.

  66. egould310

    Stretched. Got ready to run. Read DEG’s comment about coffee. Walked to the coffee shop. Large coffe for me, caramel macchiato for the wife. Debating on spliking the coffee and ditching the run.

    Porkchops and eggs for breakfast. Then over to the BIL’s for Thanksgiving dinner.

    Thank you to all you Glibs. I consider you all friends, and this website is truly special because of you.

    I think I’m going to spike this coffee. Jim Beam incoming!

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  67. Mojeaux

    Going to my cousin’s for TDay later at a normal dinnertome instead of mid-afternoon. I hosted last year, so I am happy not to have to this year. Right now I’m in my PJs watching Dr. Who (last season with Capaldi, whom I like as the Doctor).

    1. Tres Cool

      I think we’ve been over this, but I feel obligated to point out that Tennant > Capaldi.
      (by an order of magnitude)

      1. Mojeaux

        Eccleston > Capaldi >> Tennant >>>>> Smith

        1. Tres Cool

          Tom Baker still reigns supreme over all, though.

          1. Mojeaux

            I’ve never seen anything pre-Eccleston, so I don’t have an opinion.

          2. DEG

            I suggest you fix that. You’re missing out.

          3. Gustave Lytton

            Indeed. Although Tres mispelled John Pertwee above.

            I think I’m going to watch Spearhead from Space this morning. While drinking boozy coffee.

          4. Luther Baldwin

            +4th

          5. Sean

            Yup!

    2. Will you be regaling us with dick jokes during the dinner? 😉

      1. Mojeaux

        Of course not! It’s not Sunday while I’m at church!!

    3. Old Man With Candy

      Capaldi was the best drummer Traffic ever had.

  68. KSuellington

    I’d seen this before as I’m sure have some of you, but saw it on Powerline this morning and it remains relevant to this day. Historian Paul Rahe on the first American attempt at socialism:

    “William Bradford, Governor of the Plymouth Colony, reports that, at that time, he and his advisers considered “how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop than they had done, that they might not still thus languish in misery.” And “after much debate of things,” he then adds, they chose to abandon communal property, deciding that “they should set corn every man for his own particular” and assign “to every family a parcel of land, according to the proportion of their number, for that end.”

    The results, he tells us, were gratifying in the extreme, “for it made all hands very industrious” and “much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.” Even “the women now went willingly into the field, and took their little ones with them to set corn; which before would allege weakness and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.”

    1. Spudalicious

      They also signed a treaty with the Indians they supposedly slaughtered that lasted 50 years.

    2. Suthenboy

      As I have said before those old white men from over a hundred years ago who were full of outdated ideas had seen all of the shit we see today. We ignore them at our peril. Progressive idiots just cant see that because they have no education and severely limited cognitive skills.

  69. Tundra

    I hope those of you with little ones around the house are watching my favorite holiday show ever.

    I still can hear the Spawn laughing their asses off at the chair scene.

    1. I watched Scrooged having recorded it off an Encore free preview weekend some time back.

      Unfortunately, they cut off most of this to show a promo over the closing credits. 🙁

      1. Luther Baldwin

        promo over the closing credits

        That is enraging.

        1. Almost as bad as movies being panned and scanned.

          FXM’s recent showing of The Sound and the Fury (a terrible movie) was panned and scanned down from Cinemascope 2.35:1 to 16:9.

  70. Spudalicious

    Happy Thanksgiving, Glibbies!

    We’re currently watching the variety shit show that used to be the Macy’s TD parade.

    Later we shuffle across the street for dinner. There is much gravy in the forecast. I’m taking green beans with shallots and chanterelles. Also a bottle of ‘88 Ridge Petite Sirah and a 2010 Rochioli “West Block” Pinot Noir. After dinner, there will be bourbon.

    1. Red wine with turkey?

      1. Spudalicious

        Red wine with stuffing and gravy, and turkey thigh.

    2. Old Man With Candy

      The Ridge PS might almost be ready. That shit is immortal.

      1. Spudalicious

        It said 10-20 years on the label so I think 30 is about right.

  71. ElspethFlashman

    We got a new (3 year old rescue) doggy yesterday. I am cooking and we’re working on socializing the dog. I’m happy that 1. she went outside without assistance and 2. pooped while I was walking her.

    1. Tundra

      Congrats! What kind of doggie?

      1. ElspethFlashman

        She is some kind of lab / pointer ? mix. From a shelter in Alabama, to a rescue in Michigan.

        1. Tundra

          Awesome! A nice addition to the family. Make the old man walk her when the weather get shitty!

    2. DEG

      Congratulations!

    1. DEG

      Is that serious or satire?

    2. Luther Baldwin

      He’s a fuckin’ hero.

    3. Lackadaisical

      When I was 18 years old, I appropriated Mexican culture in a way that was culturally insensitive and racist. Irrespective of why I did it, it was wrong. In fact, it was worse than wrong — it was an act of discrimination that I truly did not understand at that age because I did not appreciate the white privilege that I benefited from. I’m sorry for it, I’m ashamed of it, and I deeply regret it.

      […]

      I’ve made my mistake, the greatest of my lifetime, and I can’t take it back.

      Piker.

      Either that or he has some kids locked up in his basement and this is misdirection.

    4. Suthenboy

      That’s some first rate brainwashing there. Wow.

  72. Suthenboy

    Ladies and Gentlemen, May I present Joy Beharj and Matthew Dowd, noted genius’

    https://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/11/07/joy-behar-dems-lost-senate-because-of-gerrymandering/

    On that happy note I am off to the Son’s house for Thanksgiving food, fun and mayhem.

  73. Fourscore

    It has been my double good fortune to discover libertarianism AND meet my new Glibertarian friends, even if its via the internet. I am grateful for Al Gore and Michael Dell. On my way out the door to enjoy turkey with friends from high school. I feel like I’m a super lucky guy and didn’t even have to buy a lottery ticket to be a winner.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all and especially to those that wrestled us away from TOS. Y’all have done a magnificent job while some of us have been free riders. Seems like there are always some that want to get the benefits without doing any of the work.

    1. Tundra

      You are definitely a winner, Fourscore. Have a great day!

  74. The Late P Brooks

    I’d seen this before as I’m sure have some of you, but saw it on Powerline this morning and it remains relevant to this day. Historian Paul Rahe on the first American attempt at socialism:

    I think the WSJ used to run that, or a version of it, every Thanksgiving. Maybe they still do.

    I, too, am grateful for the level of intellectual interaction I find here, which would be otherwise nonexistent. Off to some friends’ house for turkey, later.

  75. The Late P Brooks

    Seems like there are always some that want to get the benefits without doing any of the work.

    Also featuring The Grasshopper, as Himself.

    *scuffs toe in dirt*