“I am not a number! I am a free man!” So begins one of the filler songs on one of the top 5 metal albums of all time. But I come here today not to extol the virtues Bruce Dickinson or to ruminate on the fact that galloping bass-lines are best bass lines.
No, today I’m here for something much more interesting – Math!
Let’s take a look at second grade arithmetic. Here’s a refresher on the equivalence properties of equality:
- The Reflexive Property tells us that an A is (equal to) an A. Oh, now I’m sad again.
- The Symmetric Property tells us that if A is equal to B, then B is equal to A.
- The Transitive Property tells us that if A equals B, and B equals C, then A equals C.
Pretty straight forward, and if you want to do arithmetic or algebra, these are the rules that let you do it. But there are a lot of assumptions built into. For example, you can expand the Transitive Property of Equality to generate the Transitive Property of Inequalities, such that if A is less than B and B is less than C, A is less than C.
And that is useful and intuitive too. You can do some nice arithmetic and algebra with that too. But like both my graduate-level math classes and my collected works of HP Lovecraft reminded us, there is more to this universe than nice reasonable Euclidean space.
Take football. If Directional State beat Poly A&M last week, and Poly A&M beats Costal U this week, stands to reason Costal U has no hope against Directional State next week, right? After all, if DS > P A&M and P A&M > CU, so we know DS > CU. Just stands to reason, Transitive Property and wot not. All us learned gentlemen can see this.
And a any sports fan knows… That’s not the way it works. CU beats DS in, what, 35% of the games under this scenario?
It’s almost like you can’t apply the Transitive Property to a model when in reality it doesn’t apply. You can’t just apply theoretical rules, you have to look at the real universe and see if they apply before you can incorporate them into your model.
So let’s move to another domain and see if all the rules of basic arithmetic apply. A man, a woman, and their kid are going backpacking. Weight is the limiting factor, they can walk until any one of them is worn out. In a universe that is perfectly fair, but stupid, they all would carry the same load. In the real world, the kid would carry a day of food, a day of water, and emergency supplies. The woman would carry a bit more, and the man would carry the most. They then hike farther than in the stupid and fair world. Thus, the transitive property holds true in this model.
Here’s my first assertion for this series of articles: Assuming arithmetical property where they don’t actually exist in humanity is the root of most evil these days.
One place that it shows up* is in macroeconomics. Specifically, I’m thinking of the study of optimal tax policy. This is the study of how to structure taxes to maximize utility. Assuming arguendo that taxes will be a thing, how do you structure them so that the most good / least bad is done by them. There’s a lot of math, behavior economics, etc that goes into these analysis. And there are some beautiful curves telling you how to structure a tax policy.
And they are always wrong.
They all boil down to how much can I rob Peter to pay Paul. If a tax structure results in Peter having -3 happy points and Paul getting +5 happy points, that’s a net of +2 happy points. So that’s a winner right? (I’m going to call “happy points” by their common made up name, utils.)
No. There is no +2 utils floating around as the product of aggregation. There isn’t Peter+0 and Paul+2. There is only Peter-3 and Paul+5. This leaves a pissed off Peter and a Paul who is going to get trained in the fine art of rent seeking. Take it too far, and the Peters revolt. Take it too far the other way, and Paul becomes a parasite on society. Keep it right in the middle, and you can divide and conquer Peter and Paul for their votes.
Why does aggregation work for the backpackers and not for the taxpayers? Distance. Emotional distance, to be precise.
The backpackers are a family, but that was just an excuse to use a kid in the example. They could be a group of friends out for vacation, or a firm out to find gold in them thar hills. Human nature says that those we care about are those closest to us. Its
normal for you to care about yourself. Adam Smith has a great example about a man in Europe facing the loss of his finger and hearing about an earthquake in China. Which one does he care about more? The finger, even though he would know that that’s nothing compared to hundreds of deaths. It sounds cruel and heartless, but that’s just utopian thinking. In the real world, we all can identify with this idea. The closer you are to someone else, the more you care about them.
You might even care enough to take on their burden to make their life easier. In the real world, a parent would pay -3 utils to see their kid get +5 utils. The transitive property works because there is an emotional bond there.
But there are 300 million people in America. Any random American can only have a personal relationship with maybe a few dozen of them. Any system that assumes the aggregation utils among all Americans is going to be a cock up.
So ok, there’s one mathematical model with this flaw. Hardly the root of all evil. Well, step out of the math and into the real world. Race. Class. Religion. Political Party. These are all aggregation techniques. On rare occasions they are useful mental shortcuts. In most cases, they just erase the individual in your mind and replace them with a cardboard cutout called up from your own mental Hollywood. All cops are violent. All Southerners are racists. All progressives are stupid. All intellectuals are out of touch and dangerous.
These are common errors in thinking. And they are the root of all major humanitarian disasters of the last century. Except it was all blacks being violent, let’s roll out the drug war. All reactionaries are racists, let’s roll them off to the gulag. All low-income female workers are stupid, let’s sterilize them. All intellectuals are a danger, let’s hunt them down. The pattern repeats itself, and as we’ve seen, this pattern is dangerous. Any pattern that could lead to genocide, mass sterilization, or the drug war should be cut off before it can get anywhere near this scale of disaster.
So I hope here to have laid out a case that aggregation doesn’t apply on the large scale. But for individuals, they can have it apply to themselves and their small circle. This error is complex, but it reaches into some of the worst events in living memory. In the next article, I’ll discuss how a person could harness this insight to make themselves a better person. And in a twist that I’m sure would make all of you Jordan Peterson fans with clean rooms interested, this technique doesn’t require any change from anyone but yourself.
Nice write-up leap. Looking forward to part 2 even though I have no need to be a better person.
I was actually thinking specifically of you when I wrote this.
Excellent article, thanks for the write-up.
OT, but who (or what?) is on your avatar’s shirt today? I’ve noticed your avatar frequently gets new shirts, but most of the time it’s too small to make out what it is. At first glance today looked like Gollum, but at second glance it looks like John McCain or Dwight Eisenhower.
Looks like James Carville to me.
I try to keep it topical, that is indeed the much loved, recently departed, sainted, Constitution loving senator from AZ.
Who 10 years ago was Literally Hitler™.
He got better.
Because he helped the left pile it on the next person they needed to brand as Hitler to help rig an election in the favor of their candidate?
I never understood how people like McCain never wizened up to this shit and were so desperate for some media attention that they fell for them using his ass every time.
Copy the image address, paste it elswhere, and remove the -80×80 bit.
Since metrics like happiness and human satisfaction are all subjective, they can’t be quantified. Therefore, the state trying to use math to maximize good outcomes is a fools game.
This is why some have moved past math, which is ok with me because math is hard, and moved on to stating “necessities” the state should provide. No math needed. As stated in an article someone posted yesterday these necessities are: tampons, health care, housing, food, money, and a car. At least I think that was the list.
Also, pronouns. While nobody needs 24 different kinds of deodorant, apparently we need dozens of different pronouns.
Newspeak erodes the existing order and thus is doubleplusgood. Evidence of the efficacy of capitalism is not.
I believe if Emily Ratajkowski had to sleep with me overall total happiness would increase. I would be much happier and for her there would be little loss, I mean it would take 2 minutes and she would not feel a thing
I can not find a flaw in your argument, other than the fact I didn’t think of it first. I dig me some Em Rat. She also seems surprisingly sane.
She had the good sense to pose topless on several occasions. That’s something I think everyone can get behind.
My research tells me also bottomless on at least one occasion.
Math is a tool of the patriarchy you shitlord.
You will receive 10 lashes and perform 100 “Hail Marxes” to be absolved.
All cops are violent. All Southerners are racists. All progressives are stupid. All intellectuals are out of touch and dangerous.
Eh, 3 out of 4 ain’t bad.
Disagree. Some progressives are evil not stupid.
Why not both?
^^^THIS^^^
On the football example, the transitive property doesn’t hold because you are making a multivariate comparison not a single variate like in the hiking example. I think this applies to things like taxation as well. Despite Moneyball and Sabremetrics, you can’t reduce complex systems down to a single number.
Also..first?
*does some math*
Nope!
Yes, exactly correct. All models are lossy.
>Despite Moneyball and Sabremetrics, you can’t reduce complex systems down to a single number.
Well, you can. But sometimes you shouldn’t. And when you do, you can’t push the model beyond its capabilities.
In sports, a win probability is a single number that is highly valuable. If you are a retailer, willingness to pay is a single number that’s highly valuable to know about each customer. But setting tax policy based only on willingness to pay is an error specifically because it influences and is influenced by other parameters that are excluded from the willingness to pay number.
But setting tax policy based only on willingness to pay is an error specifically because it influences and is influenced by other parameters that are excluded from the willingness to pay number.
This is what I was trying to get at. I was partly taking a shot at Sabremetrics or how sometimes people who don’t understand statistics (read: most people) try to use it.
I take reflexive exception to that. I was into sports analytics before it was cool, and many of the original researchers had a very firm grasp on just how little their analytics could be used to illuminate sports. Especially in my preferred area of american football.
But good lord, put those tools in the hands of normies, and you get a lot of stupid. So your point is 100% correct.
Nate Silver is one of those folks who understood the real limitations of his own approach, and his win probability for Herself was like 65% or something. It was the other idiots giving her 99% WP based on what Everyone Knows that everyone remembers, though.
71.4%, but yeah, still low enough that you can’t say he was wrong.
What he was horribly wrong about was KY in 2012. He said it would be closer than 2008 and it went the other way entirely.
Well, that’s the fun thing about WP projections. They should be “wrong” sometimes.
Also, TangoTiger (no idea his real name) showed that you could get baseball projections nearly as good as Silver’s with virtually no work at all. That Silver was doing complex calculation for marginal benefit.
Don’s laws of math: Most models suck because most people suck; when a model is useful, sucky people will misuse it or hate it because their ox gets gored.
Some thoughts on math.
a/ Sports playoffs usually water down the importance of the regular season, but people love the drama. To some extent, the best team/s have already been shown in the regular season, but the masses prefer we add a bunch of coin flips at the end of the season so that the second best team gets a 44% chance of being champion. Even so, the love of drama ignores that and prefers MOAR PLAYOFFS, so, more teams, so, less qualified teams, and then gets mad when the “better team” (heck, even a wildcard team) wins it all.
b/ CA is right: a team is not a single measurable dimension; few things are. I read (here?) criticism of polls as voting predictions, but people aren’t gravity in a vacuum; best guesses can miss the mark. Silver/538 gave HRC 75% chance of becoming HRC45, but she lost; that’s okay: 1 -0.75 =/= zero.
c/ I was fired in 2010 because I wouldn’t change my forecast. My estimate was (ultimately proven) useful, but it was not the officially welcome guess.
d/ When a team goes up 3-2 in a series, it proves nothing; even when two perfectly matched teams are tied, some one has to win the game or win the series tie-breaker. Going 3-2 doesn’t “prove” you’re 50% better than the other team.
e/ Even quality managers don’t really believe and think in terms of randomness, distribution, probability, or confidence. When the going gets tough, IQs plummet and innocents will get hung. It is only AFTER the fuck-up where a design (tolerance stack) has failed to work that the drama begins, and, rest assured, fixing the assumptions and variables while updating the process capabilities will not be the golden road: screaming, hurry, error, and sorting will rule the day.
It took me a while to figure it out, but the purpose of sports isn’t to determine which team is the most efficient. Its to produce the most drama per minute. March madness is like drinking from the fire hose, so that’s a lot of drama. The superbowl is two weeks of anticipation before a unpredictable climax, so that’s a lot of drama. The BCS rankings is a morality play of a shadowy evil establishment out to fuck over your team, so that’s a lot of drama too.
Normies don’t care about the optimal mix of backhand and forehand tennis returns, optimal basketball shooting distributions, or optimal run/pass/play-action selection, or how the same model can be used to predict all three. Sadly.
I’m with my boy Ole Roy when it comes to basketball statistics:
Given: The basketball team that scores the most points wins.
P1: The more possessions, the more chances to take shots.
P2: The higher the percentage likelihood of a shot the better
Conclusion: If you take more, higher percentage shots, the greater your likelihood of winning. That it results in fast paced games, with more drama and excitement is merely a bonus.
If you force the other team to take low percentage 2 pt shots and you take low percentage 3 pt shots, and you keep the total number of shots to a minimum then you can pull an upset against a clearly superior foe.
The kicker is, Ole Roy’s conclusion leads to banners in the rafters.
The Tony Bennett/UVA version you posit leads to upsets alright. The biggest in sports history. *sad trombone*
I was suggesting Pete Caroll/Princeton, not Tony Bennett.
This article also sums up rather nicely why Communism is doomed to failure. A family or other tight knit group is an example of socialism functioning as well as it possibly can because the members of the group have an emotional and/or genetic affinity and association.
Attempts to scale this up to society at large always have and always will fail because it goes against human nature. That’s why you need a New Soviet Man to make it work. It can’t happen and it won’t ever happen unless and until you can reprogram the human brain (good luck).
Also: happiness is not a zero-sum game.
Schadenfreude shows that happiness is a negative sum game.
We believe in synecdoche around here, Mr. Leap.
Communism works very well when all the non communists are murdered.
It works really well for both classes too. The upper class lives high and mighty on ever dwindling resources, while the collective all live in shared and equal misery. When your priority is to make sure nobody special has it better than you, communism delivers.
On topic:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45308016
A lot of people who advocate socialism look to Scandinavian countries as an example of “socialism light” or whatever. As Leap said, it’s easier when the group has more in common, and are “closer” to one another. People in those countries share the same culture and very similar DNA. It’s not surprising that in your article, migrants to those countries are more unhappy.
It also helps when you have a large amount of oil and an industrious society that doesn’t tolerate much corruption. Venezuela for example is falling apart despite massive wealth. Neither the USSR or today’s corrupt Russia do well despite a fortune in oil, precious and rear earth metals, and a ton of other wealth. If one wanted to make an argument that a society’s population distribution and morals (lack of clannish corruption primarily) has a huge impact on its ability to stay out of financial trouble and that attempting it anywhere else is a recipe for disaster, I think pointing at Scandinavian nations would be the way to go.
I’m curious how this sentiment mashes with the common humanist trope these days of predictable determinism (something I find to overstep its evidence, but that’s neither here nor there). Basically, computers can figure out what we’re going to do before we do it. To what extent does the computer’s ability to aggregate people (fairly) accurately play into this argument that aggregation is evil?
+Psychohistory
I could not suspend my disbelief for that. I read a good chunk of the books (possibly all of them) but could not suspend disbelief over that.
But the massive prediction fell apart quickly, because of something unforseen. I saw it more of a showing of hubris causing a downfall. Until it ties into the robot books.
Dune >>> Foundation.
Why are you comparing fantasy to science fiction?
which one is science fiction for you? they are most pretty soft scifi with some potentially fantasy elements. But i categorize them both as science fiction
Dune is very much Fantasy In SPAAAAACE!!!
your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
What Pie said.
It doesn’t change the inequality however.
It is too spicy for him.
*melange eating grin*
Meshes*
This is something I’ve thought about quite a lot, but have no good answers for other than I know that its being done wrong. So much of these models are all about tweaking known parameters to see how they impact measures of human behavior. But anyone who listens to Econtalk knows:
1) Good fucking luck only changing the things you think you are changing.
2) Good luck figuring out everything you need to measure.
A retail website that makes it harder to get good product recommendations may have the first order effect of making people page through the website more. That might well look like a deeper level of engagement an everyone on the back end can high-five and roll out a new, bad commendation engine. Unmeasured is the end user that is getting slowly pissed off at the website and is slowly associating your brand name with shitty quality. That won’t be measured until your user base migrates en masse to a competitor platform.
Oh, your social network makes it easy to pop off the first fleeting thought that passes your mind? Great? Much Engagement. Oh, everyone using our platform thinks it is full of emotional, reactionary, man-children? Huh, how did that happen?
I’ve seen a few places actively try to counter this. Medium seems like like a place where they saw how terrible Twitter is and is actively working to influence their usebase in subtle, possibly measurable way. They encourage longer postings, and they make it hard to get into the kind of flamewars twitter facilitates.
So, TLDR – I think its very powerful for first order effects and very, very dangerous for second order effects.
Computers can calculate the aggregated average of what people will do.
So if 100 people see a properly calibrated ad they know that say 15 will click on it and 3 will go on to make a purchase (all numbers made up to serve as an example). What they cannot do is tell which 3 people will buy or why they made the purchase
What about the predictive software like the legend of the pregnant teenage girl outed by Target? It’s only a small step from “you’re pregnant” to “you will buy baby clothes” and another small step to “based on your purchase history, Instagram profile and 15 closest friends, there’s an 85% likelihood that you will buy these specific baby clothes if we advertise them to you”
*Dumb guy raises hand* Assuming arithmetical property where they don’t actually exist in humanity is the root of most evil these days.. Do they exist anywhere in humanity and if so where? And, are you advocating an axiomatic approach towards governance?
Do arithemetic properties ever apply? Sure. Stress, in a general sense, affects the body and mind in pretty similar ways no matter what its from. Stress can come from cutting a person open for surgery, or from getting in a fight with your spouse. They add up no matter what the source, and will make a person nauseous. Postoperative nausea and vomiting (PONV) is a common problem because surgery is so, so stressful.
To mitigate PONV, you can make the surgery less physically stressful by making the incision smaller if possible. But you can also mitigate it by reducing stress in other parts of the persons life. Have them take a day off work when they only really need three hours for the procedure. Some couples therapy. Hell, a glass of wine the night before and a xanax that day will reduce PONV, even though alcohol increases nausea the next day.
Doesn’t matter where it comes from, all that stress adds up just like 4+2=6.
As another example, people always carry around seek out the same amount of risk. Forty years ago, playgrounds were twisted piles of rusty metal on blacktop. Twenty years ago, they were smooth plastic on top of bouncy rubber. In both cases, the rate of severe bone breaks and head trauma were exactly the same. Kids would play carefully on the metal, and do stupid shit on the plastic like dance on the top of monkey bars.
In a properly designed playground, you can draw a line from the safest area to the least safe area. Young kids will gather in the safe areas, because working your way up a three stairs at age 2 is the proper level of risk. 9 year olds can gather at the other end, where the zip line and well-lubricated merry-go-round are, because that’s the level of risk 9 year olds like. Somewhere in between are some medium-difficulty slides where the 5 year olds are comfortable.
Then, each kid can find their age-appropriate risk spot from the equation Risk = (Impact of injury in this area)/(Level of physical control). Every kid has the same Risk value. A little kid with low levels of physical control needs a low level of impact. A big kid with greater self control needs greater impact.
And those big kids are going to find it. If its a well designed playground, its well away from the little kids on stuff designed to be dangerous. If its a poorly designed prayground, its going to be walking on the hand rails where the 2 year old is trying to drag himself up the stairs by the handrails.
So here you can see that use of basic arithmetic in a place where the model fits reality can lead to good outcomes. But its only true because that model of Risk = impact/control equation is one found in real life, not just on paper.
I figured you had something specific in mind by phrasing it the way you did. Just wanted to see exactly what you meant by “in humanity”. I’d assume it would also apply to fields like crowd control in stadiums, for example.
I meant broadly. I don’t know about crowds in stadiums, but I know that cars on roads can be modeled as a network of nodes connected by springs that attract when cars are far apart and repel when they are close together.
That all boils down to the K-constant, which makes it pretty simple math.
Forgot to answer
>And, are you advocating an axiomatic approach towards governance?
Sort of. I think government should be bounded by clear, simple rules, basically as a rules-based utilitarianist. And I think those rules need to be regularly audited to see if they actually comport with, you know, real life.
Its easy to write the rules that follow the formal rules of arithmetic while losing sight of if they follow common sense about human nature.
I remember you mentioning your utilitarian position and how you dislike the term being abused. (IIRC, it’s late). Thanks for clarifying. You skirt the Austrian school points, but doesn’t sound like you agree fully with them on the use of, IOW don’t use, econometrics as prescriptive tool.
I believe I said that vanilla utilitarians are stupid and their opinions are bad and they should feel bad. Its basically because they get stuck on things like the trolley problem, when anyone with any bit of moral sense or street smarts knows that when you give someone the power to run folks over with a trolley, all the sudden you are going to find a lot of people out there with a deep, burning desire to run people over with a trolley. It is, literally, the reason we don’t allow people to around punching Nazis even if they can make a good case for it this one time.
I think the exclusion of econometrics is an error, and I think over reliance of econometrics is an error. I think that common sense, econometrics, and economic history are like three legs on a stool. No one is enough to do the job, but if all three say the same thing, there’s probably something there. If two agree and one doesn’t, “further study required.”
You ask that as if I’ve never been all quantitative in my life.
Rule utilitarianism is a form of utilitarianism that says an action is right as it conforms to a rule that leads to the greatest good – define right and good
I can define right and good. What kind of moral monster can’t?
Rules-based utilitarianism means that society should be ordered according to generally applicable rules that promote that which is right and good. And then we have to live by them all the time. We can’t break the rules of due process even if drug users or terruruist or boot leggers or men-on-campus are really, really bad. We can’t punch Nazis because the rule is you don’t punch people who don’t start physical agression. We don’t muzzle people so you have to let them stay mean thing even if they are really, really mean.
Rules utilitarianism gave us the best parts of 1st amendment, the 4th amendment, and the ACLU defending the KKK. Vanilla utilitarianism gave us the cake shop debacle, make “Kiddyporn” the root password for all computers, and made the ACLU decide not to protect demonstrators that carry guns.
how is this different from deontological views?
Vanilla utilitarians permits the weighing of every situation on a short term basis. It would permit the punching of a nazi if it can be shown that aggregate utils is increased by the punching. It does not demand that long-term, hard to quantify degradation of polite society.
In short, it allows a series of steps that each look good based on short-term calculations, but that when strung together result in a long term reduction in utils. You know, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
this does not answer my question
rules that promote that which is right and good.
This to me is deontological not utilitarian. You define which is right and good and apply it. This is a deontological position.
We may have a language issue.
The opposite of deontologicalism is consequentialism.
Utilitarianism is orthogonal* to deontologicalism or consequentialism. Deontologicalism or consequentialism can generate a set of principals. Utilitariansim provides a framework for deciding if any particular action moves the universe toward that set of principals or not.
*Yes, I just used orthogonal in an attempt to clear up language.
Orthogonal- once a week or you know I’ve been replaced by an alien.
Disagree. Utilitarianism is a version of consequentialism not orthogonal. deontologicalism has no need of utilitarianism.
To be fair, your opinion is the common one in philosophy. Probably 99% of philosophers would say that you are right and I’m crazy on this. I think they are wrong, but until I get my toga back from the cleaners, none of the other philophers are going to listen to me.
deontologicalism has no need of utilitarianism.
Yes, but I’d argue that utilitarianism is in need of deontologicalism. You have to define utility to anchor utilitarianism. Without that foundation, utilitarianism devolves into a pseudo-academic justification for the unstated goals of the arguer.
well this is one of my criticisms of consequentialism and utilitarianism. They need deonologism. But they don’t like where it leads and invent shit to push their pet projects.
I’m planning some time off later this year. Since my current household fiscal policy has been set to “Fuck you, cut spending”, I won’t be going anywhere. So I’ve decided to see if I can write a novel in a week. I’ve written a novel in a month while working full time (Shadowboy, ~100,000 words) so it is theoretically possible. Of course it’s equally possible I’ll just botch the whole thing and end up with nothing.
How can you be in austerity with a job in IT and selling books? I told you to get5 into the more lucrative domain of strigoi erotica
It may shock you to learn my books don’t sell large numbers – mostly becuase I’m having trouble figuring out this whole marketing thing.
Also, I don’t know what they pay Romanian IT workers, but they keep shipping in cheaper Indians who glut the market around here.
this whole marketing thing. – bang Kendall Jenner. It will be great marketing.
Better yet, bang Caitlyn Jenner!
I just want to tell you good luck. We’re all counting on you.
Wrong vacation to stop sniffing glue?
I really enjoy your books, so I from a completely mercenary POV I hope that they do well enough to encourage you to write many more.
I just want to tell you good luck. We’re all counting on you.
surely you jest.
I’m not and don’t call me Shirley.
You need to hope your vacation occurs during a horrible storm. It worked for Robert E. Howard.
Dostoyevsky dictated his novella The Gambler to his secretary in 26 days to meet a contract deadline.
He then married the secretary.
The fact that family socialism does not scale is obvious by the fact it does not naturally extend beyond. Hell if the kid is 25 and a deadbeat it will not extend to him.
Also behavior economics is nonsense, utilitarianism is nonsense and math has nothing to do with moral questions.
Peters are revolting for sure.
Another reason to reflexively oppose taxation, even “utility-maximizing” taxation: the question-begging assumption that we should want government funded as lavishly as possible, even if we constrain it to some inflection point. Government does a lot of things we don’t like: even the most slavish apologist can no doubt think of a handful of things they’d prefer government not do, be it the War on Drugs, or war-war, or spending money on undesirables (illegals, say, or Appalachian whites). Well, the problem with constraining taxation to only some theoretical rate that maximizes government’s take is that it maximizes its take, and therefore maximizes its capacity for disastrous and dunderheaded crap. And it’s fungible, so even if we earmark a tax for “desirable” programs, that merely liberates other revenue streams to be put to undesirable ends.
And unless you’re a true Humphrey Appleby and believe inflating the budget is justified in its own right, you want something for the dollars spent on the programs you like. Teamsters may want to see budget-busting funding increases for education, but parents want results, and I assume even teachers prefer competent colleagues to merely well-paid ones. Turning the spigot higher does not ensure results or competency: it rewards laxity and stagnation.
Also: a lot of progressives are stupid, and a lot are smart enough to know better.
Sir Humphrey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO, MA (Oxon), is the patron saint of Bureaucrats, and none shall blaspheme against him.
I cannot describe the pleasure of recognizing Sir Nigel Hawthorne in Demolition Man.
Well, I guess I can: it was pleasurable. It pleasured me.
I wonder what the practical effect of using the Taylor rule to exclusively set int rates would be. It may act as a constraint, but I assume they’d ignore it and just do an end around like they do with the debt ceiling.
I’m thinking of the study of optimal tax policy. – you know I am against most taxes but I am gonna be generous and give em 10%. Sounds optimal to me.
“Good enough for Jesus, good enough for the IRS”
Samuel used 10% as a sign of tyranny.
I am sure some cynic will say that he didn’t want the King syphoning off from the priests.
OT:
President Donald Trump announced a new bilateral trade deal with Mexico on Monday morning from the Oval Office alongside U.S. and Mexican officials.
No comment yet from the Twink in the North.
He’s too busy calling grandmothers Racist for asking fiscal policy questions.
Thanks for the thought provoking article, Leap. I have been thinking a lot about the Catholic Church’s latest abuse scandal. That’s another example of the dangers of aggregation. Bad enough there were a ton of priest raping kids, but the higher ups chose to protect themselves those closest to them and sacrifice those cardboard cutout victims.
Pournelle’s Law – But their shortsightedness is going to destroy the organization.
Thanks Drake, that really sums up the problem.
Sadly for most people ll this don’t matter. Based on my acquaintances I believe most people have vague views of how they think thongs should work but never gave an hours thought to the fundamentals. SO they will never move beyond voting for the next corrupt politician. Here in Romania in the last few years there have been several large protests with a bunch of people who have no idea beyond they want things to be better and eventually like Western Europe. They have no idea how Western Europe works, how they got there, what is keeping them back etc. They want nice roads and free quality healthcare. And big government with no corruption. And pink unicorns in every pot.
I believe most people have vague views of how they think thongs should work
I have pretty specific ideas on the topic, myself.
Ya, I am pretty solid in my knowledge of those.
I though you Americans are all about the upper body
Don’t let Q’s disturbing obsession with oversized breasts taint your opinion.
These puns always devulva conversation.
“oversized”
Citation needed.
Especially the Crossfitters.
I know of one song that was commonly played at frat parties when I was in school that deals with the social implications of this issue.
Sir Mixalot?
Sisqo
I’m against them for myself, but sure do appreciate them on an appropriate female.
Am I against women in thongs? Not quite as often as I’d like.
Depends on the woman, now doesn’t it? Nobody wants to see women (or for that matter men either) of a certain “size” in thongs… In fact we wouldn’t want to see them naked either.
In general, these people have never spent the time needed to dig through their own ideologies to look to see if there is a foundation. It’s hard work. It’s much simpler to mouth simple platitudes, and have people praise you for saying them. These are also the people who generally treat politics as background noise. They tune most of it out, pick up a couple of bits of information from the news, and don’t spend a lot of time on it. You know… normal people. They care more about their sports teams, and families, and career, and investments, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But if there’s one thing that pisses me off to no end, it’s arguing from ignorance. And these same people will get into arguments and declare absolutes about politics that they never spent the time learning about. Look at Net Neutrality and how many people argued with network engineers saying, “If you want the Internet to function, we absolutely cannot treat all packets the same. Different packets require different things, same need low latency and others don’t care about latency.”
This.
They care more about their sports teams, and families, and career, and investments, and there’s nothing wrong with that. – yet they really ant to tell me how to live my life
That’s just it, they don’t even apply that level of thought to it. Someone saying, “The early bird gets the worm.” isn’t telling you to get up early to get bait for fishing. It just sounds good to them, and they’ve heard other people they think are smart saying it. So it just gets repeated without thought. If politics is in your background noise, you’ll pick up things that sound really good. Equality is good, we should have more of it. Poverty is bad, so we should have less of it. The rich have too much, and they can afford to pay higher taxes to pay for things. Unless you spend time learning the basics of philosophy, economics, politics, etc, you’ll be like the progressive who once said to me, “The math sounds right, but it doesn’t feel right.”
Gotta admit that I was certain this article was going to work some Public Choice Theory into it, but since that is considered Alt righty now, I guess we’re lucky it wasn’t included.
I don’t think I went there because I think about this issue as a personal issue first. I can’t change the nature of government, but I can try to be more careful in how
think about people, either as individuals or as replaceable parts.
Well, that was supposed to be bold, not a blockquote all on its own…
I like it that way. Also, great article.
I’ll reread this in the morning when I’m sober. Being certain that Buchanan and Laffer were going to be central to your thesis shows I’m kind of an asshole after whiskey. After taking another stab at it, I’ll have some different dumb questions for ya.
I wasnt aware that public choice theory has been tarred by association with the alt-right.
Oh well. I still think its solid theory and shouldn’t be ignored.
http://www.independent.org/issues/article.asp?id=9115
Almost all the comments are awesome. Of course, some are awesomely stupid.
it hasn’t imo. It was just that one stupid book.Nancy Maclean or whatever the cunts name was,
It was born of the KKK. Or something like that. Tom Woods had an episode addressing these hit jobs. https://boingboing.net/2017/12/10/freedom-is-slavery.html
boingboing? really? that site is a shithole
C’mon man. It’s 2 am and I just clicked the first one that looked close enough.
That whole article is one giant ad hominem.
Public choice theory is alt-right now? So, the idea that people in political institutions also respond to incentives is racist? That’s hilarious.
They are pure thinkers, with only the best intentions for all.
*light shines down from on high, a heavenly host sings*
“But there are 300 million people in America. Any random American can only have a personal relationship with maybe a few dozen of them. Any system that assumes the aggregation utils among all Americans is going to be a cock up.”
the top men, the credentialed elite that think they know better because they believe in marxism and justice, will tell you to STFU cause they sure as hell know how to do this. And the fact they keep getting a ton of votes from the freeloaders proves so….
Interesting article, but I’ve got to confess that when I see discussions of arithmetic, even elementary arithmetic, I tend to…*dons sunglasses*…Run to the Hills.
I hear you. I wrote this, and it took all of my will POWER to SLAVE through the whole thing.
Wow, you’re a real Trooper.
>>A man, a woman, and their kid are going backpacking.
GO ON… /STEVE SMITH
OT: I am immediately skeptical when a drug is described as the “Holy Grail”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/26/holy-grail-diet-pill-could-help-millions-lose-weight-middle/
It beats the false grail weight loss program. Sure he lost a lot of weight fast, but it had awful side effects.
Can’t beat the spankings.
Didn’t Viagra already get that title?
Maduro diet?
Maduro eats fine…the rest of the people.. *shrug*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktNwq7Ec7dU
Thanks Leap. Good article.
See, when I met the Pope and Leap a couple weeks ago, I was positive that I was the dumbest guy at the table. This article just reinforces it. Thank god I was the prettiest.
I’ve never seen anything related to human beings scale well at all. \
Thanks for the article, Leap. Looking forward to Part II
I’m okay with being the dumbest guy at the table. Problems arise when it turns out I’m actually the smartest.
And that’s your real picture? The Pope and Leap must be real lookers then.
Well, Jimbo’s a coffee cup, and Leap is a weird pixellated thing in a tophat.
That means Tundra loses the looks contest too. Sad!
^^ Low energy comment ^^
But I may win the looker contest.
Not a chance, this dapper supervillain is at the table.
No one takes a better selfie than I do.
If only the courts would recognize your property interest in it…
I’ve noticed a lack of description for me. You call yourself a writer.
I’m a shepherd.
^^Alt-Right Nazi confirmed.
Sadly, you’re a background character, mentioned only in passing as the drunk guy in the t-shirt.
I’ve never seen anything related to human beings scale well at all.-
I’ve noticed violence scales pretty well. Hell it maybe the one time the multiplier effect works.
SLA Marshall would have disagreed. Check out Men Against Fire.
So, based on this revelation, I think the left has concluded they better invent something they can impeach his ass on, or the angry shitflinging monkeys that make up their following will lynch their asses. Shit, if you promise them you have a way to reverse the election results and make Hillary queen, you better deliver, or you risk some bodily injury form the people that spawned such noble groups as Antifa and the DNC.
I think the left has concluded they better invent something they can impeach his ass on
I think that decision was made some time on Wednesday, November 9, 2016. Maybe earlier in some circles, namely those looking for an “insurance policy”.
Yeah, someone wrote an article, I forget where, arguing that the bullshit Russia Collusion Mueller investigation and it’s attendant collateral bullshit is most likely the “insurance policy” Strzok was referring to.
“its”
shit
BURN HIM
Rosenstein gets it.
Especially if this is true.
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/08/27/60-year-old-case-torpedo-muellers-report/
Whats with the speling erors in the artacle?
*sweats heavily, pulls at collar*
*realizes he isn’t talking about the main article above that I wrote*
Won’t matter. It will be leaked regardless.
Spelling doesn’t matter?!?
I kid, I kid.
This is well done, Wheel.
It also speaks to the problem with bureaucracy. Bureaucrats view the world through numbers and not people. This makes them extremely efficient at engaging in barbarism from afar. If you never see your victim, then it’s easier to treat him inhumanely. Eat shit, Max Weber
Too many bureaucrats get off on fucking over those they feel unjustly have avoided being limited to becoming a bureaucrat like them…
Yep. In REH’s Conan, it was always the Aqualonians with their decadent bureaucracies who where the real barbarians. In the real world, it was the continental aristocrats sending the boys over the top. It was the technocrats that put Carrie Buck in a position to be raped and then sterilized for it. It was McNamara putting boys with low intelligence on the front line to be killed en masse to make the numbers look right.
It was the curia that protected the institution over the victims of priest sexual assaults. It was the IRS that audits political opponents in order to protect their institution. All of our institutions have failed us profoundly and it is always because bureaucrats are more concerned with protecting their “indispensable” role over their victims who they view as no more than numbers on a page.
As Glenn Reynolds is fond of asking, “Why don’t people trust our institutions anymore?”
A huge reason for the credentialed elite’s disdain for Trump – both the “we had stolen it for Hillary and he still won” leftists as well as the never Trumpers – is the fact that the rabble rebelled at their incompetence/ineptness and voted someone outside their circle, but what really irks and frightens them is how Trumps actions are proving the plebe’s rebellion to be the right action as he is actually getting results our elites told us would never be doable.
Our totalitarian overlords banked on people to believing their lies that they were doing the best job possible and the good times for the plebes would never come back. All they were doing is making sure their gravy train kept running. Many are seeing that now, and that is going to pose a problem if they leave Trump unchecked.
The Carrie Buck story is absolutely horrifying. Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. should’ve been tortured to death for rendering that decision.
I take it you have read the book Imbeciles too? I’ve got a pretty calm stomach and steady emotional state, but there were a few times where that book left me shaking.
No, but it’s on my list. Time and again history justifies the argument that the Second Amendment exists to prevent government tyranny, and the Progressive Era obsession with eugenics is a perfect example. Less than a hundred years ago there were prominent, powerful political figures in this country arguing that the government should determine who can and can’t reproduce. That’s the Progressive legacy, and it should be hung around their necks forever. So, no, I don’t think it’s paranoid to believe that I need to own firearms as a hedge against the government victimizing me or my loved ones, because in any decade of American history you can find good examples of that very threat.
Our government also funded forced sterilization in India and parts of Africa in the 1970’s. Of course the new excuse for this eugenics program wasn’t to weed out two generations of imbecile, but rather to appease Mother Gaia, since overpopulation was totally a legit concern.
This, of course, is something that is never discussed when Republican presidents end family planning programs overseas and Democratic presidents reinstate it. Those funds have been used for some nefarious purposes in the past
Instead Holmes turned around and accused the lone Justice who dissented from the case of “putting his religious beliefs above the law”. The same blind mentality of a bureaucrat: ignore the victim and the consequences of your actions and focus on the impartial rules
The best part of Buck v. Bell is when Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg used the ruling as a defense for their forced sterilization of certain ethnic groups and the mentally retarded. That is Holmes’ legacy
A key feature, not bug, of the Canadian public health system is that it’s COST-CENTRIC and not PATIENT-CENTRIC.
Now the system is trying to massage and smooth out those rough edges but in the end you’re just a number to the system.
Is this because they think SS will be enough, or because of poor impulse control?
Poor impulse control, distant problem.
It is distant until it isn’t…
It’s the American version of YOLO. Americans think good times are forever guaranteed. One of our nation’s most prevailing blind spots.
My main roadblock to retirement savings is all the SS/MC taxes taken out of my check every week.
Old people thank you for your sacrifice.
Day-to-day costs continue to soar, and salaries don’t go as far as they once did to cover the necessities, author and executive director of the Economic Hardship Reporting Project Alissa Quart tells CNBC Make It. That makes it more difficult to set aside money for the future.-
Umm, the article states that purchasing power hasn’t changed in 40 years, so how is the check not going as far? If the article claimed purchasing power had DROPPED you have a case.
Gee, I wonder why?
Greatest cost increases over the last couple of decades: Healthcare, education, government services.
Things people buy that they are least willing or able to reduce consumption: Healthcare, education, government services.
Three markets that have the most government regulation and distortion: Anyone? Anyone? Beuller? Beuller?
Stop it already. Now you demand these people that pass policy on feels look at facts and be logical…
You were expecting something better from the Schutzstaffel?
I upped my 401K contribution % with every raise and promotion. I’m at 11% and need to up it again next year.
Three things:
1) Excellent article about maths and its abuse by humans
2) Iron Maiden not Patrick McGoohan?
3) I don’t understand why people still talk about net utility*. Mill already solved this problem — there is no perfect aggregate of utility, so the best a society can do is maximize liberty within some very loose parameters and let people decide what is of utility to them
*Of course I know. You can’t rob Peter to buy Paul’s vote
Maths? We got ourselves a limey, boys!
1) Thank you very much. I’ve probably written this article a dozen times, and I didn’t like it any of the times. But I felt like I just had to get it and the second part out there, or else I would never be able to stop thinking about this topic.
2)Sorry, but I love the fact that Iron Maiden intentionally makes songs about stuff they don’t have no clue on. I spent a long time trying to figure out how they lyrics to Out of the Silent Planet have to do with the book until I learned that none of them actually read it. They just thought it sounded cool.
3) I think there is no universal aggregating function, but that we each have a set of functions we use in our own world. Its just impossible to formalize those, and the best we can do it what you say.
On the other hand, I am pretty sure at least one member of King’s X has read Out of the Silent Planet.
And totally sure that that member has read That Hideous Strength.
I’m pretty sure that somebody read Dune before writing To Tame a Land.
BUT THE RUBES DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOOD FOR THEM
The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.
FA Hayek
Still one of the greatest lines ever written down. There’s a reason Russ Roberts uses it so much.
Hiya!
We keep missing each other. I’m glad everything is going well!
Ahem. I’m pretty sure there’s an equation out there that confirms progressives are indeed deep, dark, disturbed and stupid.
Good stuff Leap.
Make that deeply disturbed and stupid.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/a/ac/Anti-Life_Equation_Schematic.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130411160415
Needs Embiggener…..
A bit smaller.
How the hell do you argue with someone this stupid…
Me
His response
“How does the government create new money?” Is that a serious question?
Well, we start minting trillion dollar coins, or lops a few zeroes off the end of the bills churning out of the printing presses.
Yeah that was my thought. The question is so amazingly stupid that I don’t even know where to begin. It’s like trying to explain electricity to a caveman.
Well the Federal Reserve does. So technically not the government.
It actually is a serious question, and the answer isn’t simple. In ye olden days, you could say “They just print it”, but that’s not how it works any more. We have fractional reserve banking, which allows banks to essentially create new money by loaning money. You also have the Fed doing pretty much the same thing, off of an asset base that consists largely of Treasuries, issued by the government to finance deficits. The Fed also affects the money supply with the interest rate that it charges; as it “collects” interest, that is money removed from circulation.
I’m sure there’s more.
Well, that’s a fair point. It’s more complicated than just printing more money. But, as a mental shorthand, I think it’s close enough to say that, essentially, the Fed determines the amount of currency in circulation by various policy levers, including reserve requirements, interest rates, etc.
http://www.econtalk.org/meltzer-on-the-fed-money-and-gold/
http://www.econtalk.org/meltzer-on-inflation/
Start here.
Quantitative easing
The way i understand it, new money is created through fractional lending by banks. I’ve tried to find a puppet show version so I can understand it better, but no joy.
Also, a puppet show about refreshing before commenting.
Part of the problem is that we are credit based monetary system. Fractional reserve banking is a legacy of the gold standard and doesn’t really match the system we have now.
It is interesting that I can’t find a simple explanation of how new money is added to the economy. It’s like the people that control that don’t want us to know about it.
I dunno if its the Man, I think it is just kind of complicated. Any simple explanation is likely to be somewhat misleading.
This guy explains it well. I don’t care for his policy prescriptions but he understands the system.
https://www.pragcap.com/where-does-money-come-from/
also the rules for Monopoly’s bank explains it as the Bank acts as the Fed.
The Bank “never goes broke.” If the Bank runs out of money, the Banker may issue as much as needed by writing on any ordinary paper.
Thanks for the link
Fractional reserve banking is a legacy of the gold standard and doesn’t really match the system we have now.
I don’t know how much the shift from specie to fiat currency really affected fractional reserve banking, but I am way rusty on banking and high finance.
The part about banking that I think is really counter-intuitive is that, when you deposit something in your bank account, that is a liability on the bank’s books, and when you take their money via a loan, that is an asset on their books. I understand why, but it just seems backwards that the guy who has the cash actually has a liability, and the guy who doesn’t have the cash has an asset.
If I have to explain it in one sentence, I say “The government buys real assets and instead of giving real cash, they increment an account in a bank account owned by the bank.”
Then, if I have to explain it in more detail, I throw a smoke bomb down and run out of the room like a fat Batman.
What real assets is the government buying?
*throws down smoke bomb*
*runs out of the room like a fat Batman*
(Arrested Developer Narrator: It was treasuries)
Thanks, Batman.
I hate to be a contrarian, but the problem is that fact that you are trying to actually have a conversation using facts and logic with a moron. How does that saying about dancing with the devil go again?
But, but… contrarianism is part and parcel of…
Do it in the pale moonlight?
Might end up like that link in the AM post about that Chinese couple trying to have kids for 4 years…
That guy knew what he was doing.
Got his sex ed from watching ass banging pr0n series?
He just didn’t want kids, thats my theory anyway…
That’s what I call a long con.
I thought he was Asian?
He said con, not
…never mind.
*permanently narrowed gaze*
permanently narrowed gaze
+ 1 epicanthic fold
“Keep in mind that we have “inflation of some sort” every year and the Fed’s target is 2.5%”
This is the crux of his argument? That having a centralized bank playing games with money and manipulating inflation is somehow desirable?
You’re right. You can’t argue with someone whose starting point is so blatantly wrong. It’s like arguing over which steakhouse to go to for dinner when the person you’re arguing with a vegan.
+1 Plate of Shrimp
What if A does not equal B or C, but chooses to identify as B or C?
Then you have to refer to A by its preferred pronoun or else you are profoundly bigoted or something
Ostracization for you!
Pretty sure that is what an identity matrix is for, right? 😉
What if A does not equal B or C, but chooses to identify as B or C?
A gets a book deal, and a round of interviews on the morning shows?
On topic: Sailor Pholosophy On three ways to free your mind form collectivism.
OT: Eugenics!
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/27/racist-cop-anti-gay-preacher-middle-schoolers-asked-to-pick-who-lives-and-who-dies.html
OT: We’re usurping your 1A rights, but it’s NBD.
https://freebeacon.com/issues/federal-judge-says-cody-wilsons-first-amendment-rights-abridged-rules-settlement-state-department-anyway/
Judge Robert S. Lasnik of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington, a Clinton appointee, ruled the potential harm to the states suing the federal government was greater than the harm to Wilson’s free speech rights. Lasnik said in his ruling he “presumes that the private defendants have a First Amendment right to disseminate the CAD files.” However, he viewed the restrictions on the right to be acceptable.
“That right is currently abridged, but it has not been abrogated,” Lasnik wrote in his ruling.
Holy shit. He actually says in his ruling he is abridging Wilson’s right to publish, and goes right ahead and does it.
Lasnik said being forbidden from publishing gun designs on the internet didn’t mean Wilson’s free speech rights had been abrogated because Wilson was free to share the designs by other means—such as by mail or other forms of publishing.
I don’t see how the government can be prevented from censoring anything at all on the internet under this standard.
Lasnik said being forbidden from publishing
gun designspolitical opinions on the internet didn’t mean Wilson’s free speech rights had been abrogated because Wilson was free to share the designs opinions by other means—such as by mail or other forms of publishing.Don’t forget that in the Citizen United case, the solicitor general seriously argued that despite the first amendment the government had the right to ban books that contained information or arguments related to ongoing election campaigns.
To be fair, he did need a little help disposing of those books…
My favorite part:
“Cody Wilson said the ruling is “clownish” and demonstrates how far those who want to prevent him from publishing his gun designs are willing to go.
“This is why we do this: to show how clownish these state authorities, these courts are willing to be,” Wilson told the Washington Free Beacon. “Anything to avoid your lawful right to keep and bear arms. Anything.”
Wilson said he is looking forward to taking the case to the next level of the federal judiciary.
“I’m elated,” Wilson told the Free Beacon. “I think it’s a hilarious order. It shows manifest injustice, and I’m happy to take it to the Ninth Circuit.””
The 9th?!… best get ready to go to SCOTUS.
Cody Wilson said the ruling is “clownish”
I’m happy to take it to the Ninth Circuit
If he thought this ruling was clownish, just wait until the 9th circus gets ahold of his case!
Talk about making an appellate record…
You would hope this would set a record for speed and brevity of the appellate opinion:
“The district court’s order, by its own terms, abridges the appellant’s rights in direct contravention of the prohibition on doing so contained in the First Amendment. The order is overturned in its entirety with prejudice. “
The States have no right to freedom from harm, whatever the fuck that means.
The usual standard for a preliminary injunction is this:
That there is a substantial likelihood of success on the merits of the case,
I suspect that most injunctions seeking prior restraint on speech fail at the first fence, given the very high standards for prior restraint.
That they face a substantial threat of irreparable damage or injury if the injunction is not granted,
I wonder what the irreparable harm to the various states was? I don’t think harm to their residents counts; this would need to be harm to the state qua state.
The threat is immediate,
OK, this one is easy enough, once you get to the point of thinking plans for making guns are a threat.
That the balance of harms weighs in favor of the party seeking the preliminary injunction,
I’m still wondering what the harm to the state qua state is in having these plans published to the internet.
There is no other available remedy,
There’s no remedy at all under the First Amendment, including a prior restraint via a preliminary injunction.
That the grant of an injunction would serve the public interest.
Has there ever been prior restraint that wasn’t claimed to be in the public interest?