Other Necessary Equipment – Reloading, Part 2

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This article is for informational purposes only. Suthenboy is not a credentialed expert. Do not attempt any of these activities without first consulting an expert or a manual published by accredited experts or manufacturers.

The press is the heart of the reloading set but the beginning reloader will also need a good scale, a powder charger, a micrometer and a priming tool.

Scales can be analog or digital but they must be calibrated in grains. The grain is an ancient unit of measure that originally meant the weight of one grain of wheat. Today it is defined as 1/7000 of a pound. As far as I know, the only people to use that measure any are in the firearms industry. My scale is a Hornady analog scale and is accurate to 1/10 of a grain. It cannot malfunction as it is a balance beam scale.

There are also digital scales and powder dispensers with built in digital scales. I have never tried these but a lot of reloaders swear by them.

A good micrometer can be had for a few bucks at any tool store. I recommend the dial type rather than the digital ones as they are easy to use and last much longer than battery powered micrometers. I also recommend one calibrated for inches as most calibers are measured in inches. Conversions are simple for metric calibers.

Priming tools are another matter. There are many on the market and many presses have a priming function built in. It is important that primers be seated just below the base of the case and a good priming tool will do that in addition to allowing you to seat primers rapidly and accurately. You don’t want a tool that can mash a primer so hard that it ignites. After Lee precision changed the design of their hand tool it worked less smoothly so I switched to an RCBS which works fine for me but I am thinking of switching again to a Forster bench mounted priming tool. It is specially designed to seat primers very accurately without danger of ignition. It uses a tube style hopper instead of the pan style, which I like because it is easy to turn all of the primers correctly in a pan and then peck them up with the tube. Shell holders are not required and the bench mounted tool is easier on your hands.

Powder dispensers can be fairly simple affairs or very complicated. I like simple. The old style has a hopper on top that feeds into a cavity drilled in a rotating block. The cavity has a piston style floor that can be moved into the cavity at various depths to adjust the amount of powder that can enter the cavity. When the handle is in the down position the cavity opening faces up and the hopper fills it. When you turn the handle down the rotating block turns and the cavity faces down, emptying through a small spout directly into the case which you hold under the dispenser in contact. The problem with these is that as the cavity opening passes away from the hopper on its way to the spout it can chop grains of gunpowder. This can change the weight of the charge slightly and also causes the gunpowder to burn at a different rate. It doesn’t really create danger but it does affect accuracy. This is a bigger problem with tube powders than flake or ball which means rifle powders where accuracy is more of an issue. A simple solution is to empty the case back into the hopper if you feel an especially hard chop as you move the handle. A better fix is the Lee Precision charger which is designed to not chop any powder grains.

The automatic dispensers are much more complicated but easy to use. I have never used one, but I get good reports from the users.

A couple of other tips:

Your bench should be sturdy and large enough to mount your equipment on but not so large that clutter accumulates on it. Space has a tendency to fill up. If your bench is not too large it will be easier to keep clean and organized.

A loading block is a cheap accessory that holds your cases in between loading steps so that they don’t get knocked over. It helps keep the process organized and you can keep a better eye on everything. You can get one for just a couple of bucks. Get one.

A primer tray is another very cheap, very useful item. It is a small plastic tray with tiny ridges in it. Primers are placed in it and it can then be lightly shaken back and forth. As the primers slide around in it the open edges of the primers catch on those ridges and the primers flip to face all in the same direction. They can then be more easily loaded into the priming tool hopper.

Clean cases are easier to work with and function better in firearms. You don’t have to clean your cases after every firing but after every second or third loading is a good idea. Most hardware stores sell vibrators for cleaning tool parts and the reloading suppliers sell them. Pick up a vibrator and some crushed walnut shell so you can keep your brass clean. These also help reduce corrosion if you store loaded ammo for long periods of time. Always use the vibrator on empty brass, never on loaded cartridges. Vibrating loaded ammo will damage the powder grains which will greatly increase its burning speed creating dangerous pressures.

If the Lords of the Glibs keep publishing these next time we will go through dies and toss in more tips and tricks.

Comments

149 responses to “Other Necessary Equipment – Reloading, Part 2”

  1. Suthenboy

    Good grief, I am pathetic. How did I miss part 1?
    I cant keep up.

    1. Creosote Achilles

      The first part was terrific and I’ve been eagerly awaiting the 2nd since noticing them in the hopper. It is damn interesting reading and makes me want to go learn to do it simply so I can shoot more. Looking forward to the rest, Suthen.

  2. kinnath

    Thanks for the fine article.

  3. Don Escaped Texas

    I still have the old Lee primer press; the feedback on a properly seated primer using it is decidedly happy and unambiguous.

    I really don’t agree with the dial calipers, but it’s not a hill I’d die on. For what it’s worth, I still use a venier because it’s paid for and just won’t break, but I must say that in these past 20 years the price of digital calipers has become very attractive, they zero easily, and the switch between British and metric is a button push; I’ve never seen one die other than during abuse in all my years on the floor, in machine shops, and throwing them around.

    Are you gonna list the johnny-don’ts at some point? I’m all about error-proofing, and I think mistakes like double-charging and how to avoid same should be included as a primary topic.

    1. Suthenboy

      They are featured prominently in later articles, yes. Best way to double check primer seating is just rub your finger over each one as you take it out of the tool. It is amazing how a little practice can get you very accurate at finding improperly seated primers. You have a little room for error, enough that you can do it all by feel.

  4. EvilSheldon

    Q The thing about tumbling loaded cartridges changing the powder burn rate is a myth. Other than that, good article. Looking forward to part three.

    1. Suthenboy

      I will just take your word for that.

      *hides tumbler from Sheldon*

      1. EvilSheldon

        *shrug*
        I’ve loaded somewhere close to a quarter million rounds over the past ten years, and I’ve tumbled most of them (to clean off the leftover case lube, if you care.) I’ve never noted the least variation in velocity, that would indicate some change in burn rate.

        Besides, both your loaded ammo and your smokeless powder are shipped cross-country by truck or rail car. That will subject them to a hell of a lot more vibration than twenty minutes in my rotary tumbler.

        1. Suthenboy

          Ah. I dont have a rotary tumbler. Mine is a vibrator from Harbor Freight I acquired on sale for 25 bucks 20 years ago. It vibrates like hell and cleans the cases very well. I may experiment by vibrating a few loaded rounds and then dissemble them and examine the powder.

          1. I didn’t know you used a vibrator. :-p

  5. Fourscore

    Hi Suthen, great article.

    I have all RCBS equipment. On my powder dispenser when the handle is up the cavity is up and open, allowing the powder to flow in. Turning the handle down then releases to powder into the brass. I can feel the same powder clipping you mentioned but on rifle loads I weigh often, usually the first 10 or so, then every 5th one or so. If I’m within a couple of tenths I’ll go with that.

    Pistol I weigh (and dump) until I’m very close, then just load, weigh after 10 or 20 and then forget about it.

    I prime with the press, its probably a little slower and maybe not as accurate but I learned with a shot gun shell reloader. Never had an accident. For beginners, if you have a friend that reloads I’m guessing if you bought the dies and shell holder your friend would help you get started with his equipment. Maybe even have the right powder and bullets that he would sell at cost. Reloading equipment is not cheap, as Suthen has pointed out. If you only have one or two guns and don’t shoot much it can be expensive. A good friend can be a great friend, if he is a reloader. Save the beer until you are finished for the day.

    1. Suthenboy

      Every reloader learns slightly different techniques and habits. Avoid major mistakes and you are ok.

  6. Suthenboy

    Skimming comments in part one.

    I dont know how many per hour. I do each step (later article) in large batches. I might spend an hour or two every day for a week resizing a five gallon bucket full of pistol rounds then on to the next step.

    Candles are dangerous as fuck. Toss that shit out of your house. A candle if left to burn too long will melt into a puddle or break the glass container and then melt into a puddle. It can become a slow motion molotov cocktail. I once returned to the house and discovered that my teenager and buddies had forgotten one and left it burning. It had melted into a puddle with the burning wick floating around in it. Only by the grace of God did I discover it before it burst into flame.
    Throw out all of your candles. You may be mindful when using one but you may not be the one using it. There is a reason that house fires were a major cause of death and misery before electricity was in common use.

    1. Regarding candles that have become flaming puddles of wax in a jar –

      Fun fact – Throwing water on a wax fire can cause a mushroom cloud shaped fireball.

      Source – Childhood misadventure. I never did it again, but after the surprise wore off and the flames were gone (luckily it all burnt out in the fireball) my reaction was more along the lines of ‘heh, that was actually pretty cool. Good thing I didn’t burn the house down’

    2. Creosote Achilles

      Thanks for the answer to the question. That seems like it is pretty fast and efficient.

      Totally agree about the candles. Pigging backing on the topic as it is sort of hobby horse: If you need emergency lighting there are some really good, cheap LED flashlights that plug into a socket and can be either turned on manually or set to turn on when the power goes out. Every room of my house, including the hallway for the bedrooms has at least one of these in it. In an emergency/power outage you can see where things are, and then unplug it and use it as a flashlight to get to larger lanterns and such.

  7. Unrelated – I think this score says more about critics than the movie. I don’t watch very many movies, but I find the 0/90 split amusing.

    1. Suthenboy

      That guy. I keep wanting to say “Please stop helping” to him. I dont know what it is about him, I cant put my finger on it. He is more polarizing than convincing.

      1. I haven’t seen any of his work (this piece included) I was more interested in the scoring disparity and what that was saying.

        1. Suthenboy

          He went after Obama with a vengeance and for his troubles landed in prison. He was a no-shit political prisoner in the US and Obama a no-shit banana republic style shitheel. It didn’t get much attention because…well, because the press.

      2. Scruffy Nerfherder

        Once upon a time, D’Souza wrote interesting and reasonable stuff (Illiberal Education for one).

        Sometime in the 90’s he lost his mind.

  8. Scruffy Nerfherder

    I will second the “No Digital Measuring Devices” rule. The vast majority of them suck (the rest are obscenely expensive) and a good set of analog micrometers/calipers will last a lifetime.

    When in doubt, Mitutoyo is the best.

    1. MikeS

      Starrett!

      *metrology version of Chevy vs. Ford argument*

      1. One of them took a massive bailout from the federal government because they kept producting products no one wanted?

        1. MikeS

          Ok. Ford vs. Dod… No, never mind.

    2. Nephilium

      You can have my Thermapen when you pry it out of my 68.2 F hands.

      1. So we can’t have it if we put you in a morgue?

        1. MikeS

          Only if you do it before rigor sets in.

          1. That’s not an issue, after about 24-48 hours rigor goes away. The problem is morgues are refrigerated, so he’ll be lower than 68.2 degrees.

          2. Nephilium

            If my hands are colder then room temperature, I’ll be in no condition to protest you taking it.

          3. Your testament stipulated a phylangial temperature of 68.2 degrees as the condition for us injeriting the Thermapen.

            It’s the principle of the issue.

      2. MikeS

        Cold hands, warm heart?

    3. JG43

      Brown and Sharpe is good too.

      1. MikeS

        They are.

        And it’s my understanding that if you don’t need the best-of-the-best that Fowler is very passable.

        1. JG43

          They are. I just bought one to replace my no-name digital caliper that died after 20 years. No more digital for me either.

  9. Suthenboy

    FourScore – I missed the part one somehow. I thought I was the only person on the planet who had a 45 win mag.
    I had a gunsmith cut a cylinder for me to fit my Ruger Blackhawk. Nothing to it, he just cut a 45ACP cylinder and fitted it to the gun. Silly and pointless really, but fun.

    1. Fourscore

      And only one set of dies needed for the Mag and 1911 .45. A number of years ago I got hooked on Thompson Contenders. My .45 Mag is a TC. I like it because its 1 bigger than the a .44 Rem Mag.. I have left hand grips (I’m a leftie) and that mama jars me something fierce, 14 in barrel, Thompson scope. Nobody messes with the jesus.

      1. Fourscore

        I also have a Smith .44 Mag and a TC barreled .41 mag and a few others.

  10. Enough About Palin

    OT – Expert: 170 Registered Voters in Ohio’s 12th District Listed as Over 116 Years Old

    In 2016, liberal activist groups Demos and the ACLU filed suit against the state of Ohio in an attempt to stop its efforts to remove inaccurate voter registrations from its rolls. Soros gave 1.25 million to Demos in 2016, on top of the more than $3 million he had given in previous years. And Soros has been even more generous with the ACLU, giving over $35 million for Trump related lawsuits.

    Ultimately, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Ohio’s efforts in a 5-4 decision earlier this year.

    But even with voter ID and cleansed voter rolls, there are still problems with Ohio elections.

    Consider that 170 registered voters listed as being over 116 years old still existed on the rolls of Ohio’s 12th Congressional when GAI accessed the data last August. That’s 10 percent of Balderson’s current margin of victory, pending provisional ballots. And 72 voters over the age of 116 who “live” in Balderson’s district cast ballots in the 2016 election.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/08/expert-170-registered-voters-in-ohios-12th-district-listed-as-over-116-years-old/

    1. You’re trying to disenfranchise the supercentinarians!

    2. The Last American Hero

      You didn’t think those vampires were going to stay in Forks forever, did you?

    3. Suthenboy

      We should consult with TOS writers about this. I am sure it is a mistake.

      1. They’re just a colony of politically active senior citizens sustained in their dotage by their sense of civic duty!

        1. Suthenboy

          I am wondering if these are all of the lost D votes that showed up. If the D isnt over the top yet I am sure another trunk load of ballots will be found.

        2. invisible finger

          You can always count on the elderly to vote Democrat, too.

          1. Nephilium

            Unless they get confused by a butterfly ballot…

      2. F. Stupidity Jr.

        We should consult with TOS writers about this.

        Ronald Bailey will assure you that this is fake news.

  11. Psycho Effer

    “This article is for informational purposes only. Suthenboy is not a credentialed expert. Do not attempt any of these activities without first consulting an expert or a manual published by accredited experts or manufacturers.”

    Batches?! We don’t need no stinkin’ batches! *spits*

    1. And if I don’t find the accreddation agents credible?

    2. Suthenboy

      I threw that ‘credentialed’ in there in honor of SP. And it works.

  12. The Late P Brooks

    We interrupt this article for an important message.

    “It’s for your own good,” he voxplained.

    [Alex] Jones has created a thorny problem for society. Once people start believing in his conspiracy theories, and trusting him as a source, it becomes extremely difficult to change their minds.

    “Conspiracy theorists are not likely to be persuaded by an attempt to dispel their theories; they may even characterize that very attempt as further proof of the conspiracy,” Sunstein and Vermeule wrote. Because conspiracy theorists “become increasingly distrustful and suspicious of the motives of others or of the larger society,” efforts to debunk their myths often “serve to fortify rather than undermine the original belief.”

    ———-

    This is the problem with Dorsey’s logic. Now that Jones has an audience on Twitter, journalists’ attempt to “refute” him will fail. His fans will mostly disregard the debunkings, and his audience will continue to grow. This is what was happening on every other platform, prior to the bans. The other companies recognized that Jones was spreading dangerous lies, and that journalists simply couldn’t debunk them. The only way to stop these ideas was to deprive them of oxygen, to prevent people from being exposed to them in the first place.

    Twitter’s CEO just doesn’t get that.

    Yeah. That guy’s crazy crypto-religious beliefs contradict my crazy crypto-religious beliefs. SILENCE HIM.

    Sorry, Suthen. We now return yoo, et c.

    1. AlexinCT

      Yeah. That guy’s crazy crypto-religious beliefs contradict my crazy crypto-religious beliefs. SILENCE HIM.

      Pretty much the attitude of the left about anything they believe that common sense shows is wrong.

    2. Gadianton

      The only way to stop these ideas was to deprive them of oxygen, to prevent people from being exposed to them in the first place.

      Because this has worked so well in other areas.

    3. Drake

      He had a crazy theory that all the big media corporations were run by leftists and wanted to silence him – so they had to silence him to prevent that kind of paranoia from catching.

      1. F. Stupidity Jr.

        He had a crazy theory that all the big media corporations were run by leftists

        What a nut!

      2. MikeS

        That’s WAY crazier than saying they are turning the frogs gay!

    4. Suthenboy

      “become increasingly distrustful and suspicious of the motives of others or of the larger society,”

      Maybe if you hadn’t taken a big steaming shit on your own credibility before the fact this wouldn’t be much of a problem as true conspiracy theory types are a small minority.

      “dangerous lies”

      Dangerous lies, corrupting influence, words are violence, the only way to stop these ideas was to deprive them of oxygen. The language of the every rabid censor since the beginning of time. That fuckin’ Sunstein is such a craven piece of shit.

    5. Raston Bot

      Dorsey’s lawyers are the only ones worth a damn.

    6. WTF

      Jones has created a thorny problem for society. Once people start believing in his conspiracy theories, and trusting him as a source, it becomes extremely difficult to change their minds.

      “Conspiracy theorists are not likely to be persuaded by an attempt to dispel their theories; they may even characterize that very attempt as further proof of the conspiracy,” Sunstein and Vermeule wrote. Because conspiracy theorists “become increasingly distrustful and suspicious of the motives of others or of the larger society,” efforts to debunk their myths often “serve to fortify rather than undermine the original belief.”

      You mean like Trump/Russia collusion, Russia hacked the elections? Like that?

      1. AlexinCT

        No, those are totes legit view points…

    7. Scruffy Nerfherder

      democraticunderground.com

      All I’m gonna say about that.

    8. R C Dean

      Ya know, I never paid much attention to Jones, but I may just have to subscribe now to pump his numbers and piss off his enemies.

      Because by an odd coincidence, his enemies seem to be my enemies as well.

  13. The Late P Brooks

    “yoo”

    stupid fingers

    1. Amazing they squeezed that many words out without managing to point to the obvious – Humans are wired for pattern recognition, and coral reefs do a damn fine job of obscuring the original opject with shapes that trigger false positives in that part of the mind.

      1. They buried the lede almost at the very end of the text

        He wants to remain “neutral” until he can dig up more evidence on what the structure could be and is hoping to have a third series of his Discovery show commissioned to help tell the story.

        I wonder what publicity would do to his chances?

    2. R C Dean

      Love his little mini-sub. WANT.

  14. The Late P Brooks

    There is a reason that house fires were a major cause of death and misery before electricity was in common use.

    That bastard Rockefeller and his paraffin lamp, stealing money from those honest hard working candle makers.

    Christ, what an asshole.

  15. CJS

    This rifle-cartridge reloading looks like way too much work…glad I’m mostly just a pistol guy.

    I reload to save some money on shooting 9mm in volume, started right off with a Dillon 650 and a case feeder and haven’t looked back.

    Definitely the quantity-over-quality approach, but it’s pistol ammo, so that’s not an issue.

    1. EvilSheldon

      I’m with you. I went from a Dillon XL650 to a Super 1050, then to a 1050 with a Mark 7 autodrive and bullet feeder.

      Depending on how the finances are at the end of the year, I might make the big jump to a Mark 7 Evolution Pro, just so I can do one-pass 5.56mm loading.

      I still do my precision rifle stuff one at a time on the Rockchucker, though.

      1. CJS

        *mouth waters*

        If/when I make GM in USPSA, my gift to myself will be a 1050 with a Mark 7. Unlikely to happen unless I start caring more about the sport than I currently do, and start practicing accordingly, but a man can dream.

        1. EvilSheldon

          Good goal. I’m chasing my GM card myself.

  16. Raston Bot

    What calibers do you reload, Suthen? And what’s the cost/round just looking at casings, primers, bullets, and powder?

    1. Suthenboy

      Rifles
      22 Hornet, 218 Bee, .223 Rem, .243 Rem, 25-06, 270 Win, 7mm Rem Mag, 30-30 Win, 308 Win, 30-06, 8X57 Mauser, 303 British, 32 Win Spl, 338 Win Mag, 375 Win, 38-55, 375 H&H, 444 Marlin, 450 Marlin, 458 Win Mag.
      I think that is all of them. Probably what I have loaded now is a lifetime supply given my slowing down in recent years and less interest in hunting.

      Pistols
      25 auto, 32 Long, 32 H&R mag, 9mm Luger, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 10mm Auto, 41 Rem Mag, 44 Spl, 44 Rem Mag, 45ACP, 45 LC, 45 Win Mag.
      Again, I think that is all.

      As for cost I couldn’t really say as I probably bought a lifetime supply over a decade ago. anywhere from a nickel per round to 75 or 80 cents. The 458Win Mag probably closer to a dollar. Also, over the course of 40 years the prices of different brass has varied wildly with popularity of particular chamberings and powders. There is a discussion of that in later articles.

      In spite of that ample list covering the full range of small arms ballistics my go-to gun is a Winchester ’94 in either 30-30 or 375 Win. I have some damned nice guns but when I hunt or hike it’s the beat up, scratched up, blueing worn off ’94. If I grab a pistol it’s usually the Blackhawk in .41 mag, 45LC or .44 Mag
      I think Animal told us his pet load is 8.5 grains of Unique in the 45LC behind a 250 gr. cast bullet. That is a decent load. You can put another whole grain in that but I dont recommend it. My pet load is 9 gr of 800X with a lighter bullet – 230gr cast round nose. I get 1000fps out of it.

      1. Don Escaped Texas

        “it’s the beat up, scratched up, blueing worn off ’94”

        yup….something about a carbine

        1. Suthenboy

          Weight, balance, pointability. Nothing like it before or since.

          God Bless John Browning.

          1. God Bless John Browning.

            Amen.

            That reminds me, I should see if the audio is any good with the 1911 video from texas.

      2. Fourscore

        I have had a couple 94s but my favorite is a Marlin 336. I rotate rifles every deer season but if I had to only have one it would be the 336. I gave my 94s away to guys that would use them. All are 30-30s. Somehow the Marlin seems like a better fit for me.

        1. Florida Man

          30-30 or 35?

          1. Fourscore

            30-30

      3. You own a .458 Win Mag? I’ve always wanted one of those…

        How is it to shoot? Did you go elephant hunting or something?

        1. Florida Man

          I’ve been thinking about a Ruger No. 1 in 375 Holland & Holland, but there is a shortage of Cape buffalo in Florida. Hmm. Market opportunity?

          1. Suthenboy

            Never had a tyrannosaur raid your tomato patch?

            Holy Gods my 375HH is a Ruger No.1 and it kicks worse than the 458 Win Mag. Fantastic rifle but I mean it is a monster.

          2. Florida Man

            My thoughts are if you’re going to having a falling block, choose a caliber that needs it.

          3. Suthenboy

            You should look again. It aint a cape but close.

            http://www.floridadeerhunt.com/buffalohunts.php

          4. Florida Man

            Lol. I guess it WAS a market opportunity. I’m planning to do a boar hunt when it cools off, but that’s a whole other game.

        2. Suthenboy

          It kicks like a mule. Four or five shots and you have that special headache that only alcohol and a nap can fix. It is an FN mauser with not much drop on the stock. Strait into your shoulder. Not really a weekend plinker.
          It isnt a long range gun. Mostly flat nose and round nose bullets from 350 to 500 grains. My father bought the thing in 1965 for 85 bucks. He bought a barreled action and had a stock made for it.

          No, I have never hunted elephants. I doubt I could pull the trigger on one. Unless it is a bull in musk it is pretty easy to avoid confrontation. I would rather feed them.

    2. EvilSheldon

      In 9mm Luger, I mostly turn out a 124grn. JHP for practice and match use. The bullet (from Rocky Mountain Reloading) runs 8.6c each in quantities of 12,000.

      I’ve used different powders (Hodgdon Titegroup, Hodgdon CFE Pistol, and Winchester WSF) and they all come out to around 1-1.5c per shot.

      I’m a little picky about primers. I prefer CCI or Federal, when they’re available. I probably won’t buy any more Winchester primers after I exhaust my current stockpile. They all cost about the same though, around 3c each in case lots.

      I buy once-fired 9mm brass from a place in NC, for $20/k shipped. But, of course, you can reuse your brass. In the case of 9mm Luger, ten reloads is not impossible, although you’ll certainly lose the brass before that. I figure I’m getting, on average, two extra loadings out of each case, so I call it 0.7c per shot.

      Grand total, with overruns for shipping and hazmat fees, is around 14c per shot. Comperable factory ammo runs in the range of 20-35c/round, so I think I’m doing all right.

      1. Raston Bot

        Thanks for the details.

        I lasted several years consistently home brewing knowing that I was paying .50/beer in materials which doesn’t include equipment, labor, utils, probably inputs I’m forgetting. But it was a labor of love and creativity. This sounds similar.

        1. I paused home brewing until I have more time and fewer toddlers that might hurt themselves or do stuff like drop pennies into a fermenter, but I know exactly what you mean. If it was about saving money on beer I’d just buy a case of Natty Boh.

  17. DEG

    Thanks Suthen! I look forward to the other parts in the series. I don’t reload, but often I’ve thought about it.

  18. Raston Bot

    CULTURE WAR!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/09/nyregion/nra-cuomo-insurance-lawsuit.html

    The regulatory approach bears similarities to the tactics some conservative states have adopted to limit access to abortions, albeit on the opposite side of the ideological spectrum. Twenty-six states restrict coverage for abortions in insurance plans bought through their public exchanges, and 11 of those states restrict it in private plans as well.

    i would concede the point if those states stopped *all insurance* to Planned Parenthood. which implies that if Cuomo’s administration only ordered a stop of all concealed carry liability insurance products in the state, then his actions would pass constitutional muster. how wrong am i?

    David Snyder, executive director of the nonprofit First Amendment Coalition, said the premise of the N.R.A.’s argument — that Mr. Cuomo had the power to use his regulatory authority to censor a political opponent — “passes the laugh test.” But the group would need concrete evidence to prove that the governor’s anti-N.R.A. statements had been tied to his regulatory actions, Mr. Snyder said.

    concrete evidence like whatever email correspondence comes out of discovery.

    1. Andy doesn’t use e-mail. Not anymore.

      He had retention automatically shortened to 90 days for everyone to purge his history, then switched messaging systems away from anything that leaves an easy trail.

      1. Raston Bot

        he did what now? /googling…

        holy shit.

        1. It was really annoying for those of us not involved in corrupt activities, because we keep a lot of past e-mails so we can reference them. Sometimes it’s data we really should put elsewhere, but sometimes it’s “Who did we talk to about X issue?”

          1. AlexinCT

            That guy is one heck of a mob boss…

          2. Floridaman

            Nah, the mob is way more ethical than him.

    2. But the group would need concrete evidence to prove that the governor’s anti-N.R.A. statements had been tied to his regulatory actions, Mr. Snyder said.

      Isn’t this sort of shit exactly the argument TEAM BLUE used to get Trump’s visa bans struck down?

  19. OT: “If white parents want to raise children who play a role in creating a just and inclusive society, we’ve got to start talking about race.”

    https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/08/09/darn-white-people-and-their-checks-notes-parenting-cnns-piece-on-white-kids-and-racial-sensitivity-is-a-hot-mess/

    Gee, we must be inhabiting completely different worlds CNN, because from where I’m standing all you and your fellow travelers ever do is incessantly talk about race. Nonstop. 24/7.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      White parents must actively work to desegregate our lives. What parks and libraries do you go to? At which community centers do you participate? Even young kids who have racially diverse friendship pools tend to self-segregate by middle school. This reflects adult modeling.

      If we want white youth to break these larger social dynamics, they need to regularly experience spaces where they aren’t in the overwhelming racial majority. In a society as segregated as ours, this requires an active commitment by parents.

      This person obviously doesn’t teach in a Baltimore or Philadelphia public school.

      1. When my wife taught in Montgomery County she was usually the only white person in the room. Also, could CNN kindly explain which special places I should visit in order to meet the right kind of racial minorities? I’d love to hear that explained in a way that isn’t wildly racist and loaded chock-full of stereotypes.

        1. Scruffy Nerfherder

          Oh you know, Anacostia, Camden….

    2. Suthenboy

      Or maybe they could stop thinking about and yammering about race. In 2007 polls showed that no one gave a shit about race. I am guessing that panicked the left and they have been incessantly picking that scab every since. Now race relations are as bad as they have ever been.

      1. “I am guessing that panicked the left”

        Bingo. Without identity politics, the Left literally has nothing. Their budgetary policies are a known failure. Their foreign relations policies are a known failure. Their healthcare policies are a known failure. Their energy policies are a known failure.

        The only play they have is to scare the darkies and guilt trip the wealthy whiteys. Even with that, they’re only a regional party.

        1. AlexinCT

          Bingo. Without identity politics, the Left literally has nothing.

          To peddle collectivism/marxism you must first destroy all other institutions or value systems and make people stupidly unaware of how evil and destructive that collectivist shit is. The best way to do that is to destroy the concept of individualism, force people to see themselves as part of identity groups, and force those groups to battle each other for the ever dwindling resources…

      2. AlexinCT

        That was their intent. Anything that is bad for America and Americans, generally is awesome for democrats and the democratic party.

      3. invisible finger

        “Now race relations are as bad as they have ever been.”

        Only on TV news and other government propaganda. In real life they’re better than ever.

    3. Chipwooder

      Recently, my 9-year old daughter asked me, “Mama, I know it’s really bad they’re putting people in jail, but do those people think, ‘Well, at least I’m safe from war?’

      There is no fucking way on earth that story is true. Source: father of an 8 year old girl and a 10 year old boy.

      My son talks almost exclusively about Star Wars, Fortnite, baseball, apex predators (he’s Mr. Shark Week), Nerf guns, and electrical circuitry (he loves his Snap Circuits). My daughter talks almost exclusively about her artwork, Harry Potter (grrrrrrr….my wife’s fault), zoology, softball, and the Who Was Show. Neither of them has ever spontaneously said a goddamned thing about current events.

      1. “Recently my 3-year-old said to me, ‘Dad, something something kitty something blanket outside something something something I need some chocolate and some crackers and the kitty movie’, and I know what she was trying to say was that she was deeply concerned that her friends at school who aren’t white live in a different America, with fewer opportunities and more challenges.”

        1. AlexinCT

          You sir are woke.

  20. DEG

    Manchester, NH cops sue gun store and NH Department of Safety

    Two Manchester police officers shot by a man with a history of mental illness have filed a lawsuit alleging that the New Hampshire Department of Safety and a Derry gun shop failed to do the proper background check to stop him from buying the gun used in the 2016 shooting.

    In the three-count suit filed last week in Rockingham County Superior Court, Ryan Hardy and Matthew O’Connor accuse Safety Commissioner John Barthelmes, the Department of Safety, and Chester Arms LLC of negligence, claiming they’re responsible for the gunshot wounds they suffered on May 13, 2016, during an encounter with Ian MacPherson in Manchester.

    The lawsuit, filed through Manchester attorney Mark D. Morrissette, recounts the separate shootings that left Hardy with wounds to his face, neck, and right shoulder blade. O’Connor was wounded in the leg.

    MacPherson, 34, was a robbery suspect who shot the officers with a Smith & Wesson semi-automatic pistol that he bought from Chester Arms, a federally licensed gun dealer in Derry, on April 1, 2016.

    1. Don Escaped Texas

      A thug buying a gun all proper like has a man bites dog quality.

    2. Suthenboy

      He had the money to buy a SW semi-auto to use in a robbery? They allege the background check was improper? Either they did one or they did not.
      I am smelling bullshit. I am not sure where it is coming from but it is there.

      1. Drake

        Don’t they just run him through the FBI database? How can you do that incorrectly?

        1. Suthenboy

          Exactly. They call you in to the FBI. Either they did or didn’t, either there is a record of that or there isnt.

        2. Raston Bot

          After filling out the paperwork to make the purchase, employee Jennifer Cavaretta, whose father is the owner, was required to contact New Hampshire State Police to see if MacPherson could possess or own a firearm. She was informed that MacPherson couldn’t purchase the firearm because additional research or review was required, the suit said. The sale was delayed until March 24, 2016. MacPherson was denied the sale, but returned on April 1, 2016, and spoke with owner John Cavaretta, the suit said.

          “Mr. MacPherson was in the store for a very brief time, not longer than five minutes. John Cavaretta indicated that there had been no resolution with respect to the delay or hold placed on the sale by the New Hampshire State Police. John Cavaretta transferred the weapon and ammunition to Ian MacPherson,” the suit said.

          supposedly the state police Gun Line was provided info that MacPherson was prohibited on March 24th. the hanging background check didn’t trip any callbacks so the shop sold him the gun on April 1st.

          not sure i see the part where the gun shop is liable.

        3. Floridaman

          It’s a federal agency, if something can be screwed up there it will be.

          1. Floridaman

            Although in that case it’s more the feds fault, but of course they’ll never say that.

    3. R C Dean

      Suits like this drive me nuts. Because they wouldn’t be filed if the damn courts would enforce the rules on the books against frivolous lawsuits. Those rules say the lawyer who brings a frivolous lawsuit has to personally pay the costs of the defendant.

      John Cavaretta indicated that there had been no resolution with respect to the delay or hold placed on the sale by the New Hampshire State Police. John Cavaretta transferred the weapon and ammunition to Ian MacPherson,

      Does the requirement have a drop dead date? Sometimes they do, to prevent bureaucratic delay from turning into de facto denial without cause. As in “If the state doesn’t issue a final decision within X days, you can presume the application is approved.”

      1. EvilSheldon

        Federally, the sale can proceed after three business days without an update from the feds. I don’t know if NH has a more stringent law.

    4. Castle Rock v. Gonzales says the state has no duty to protect you. Case dismissed.

      1. AlexinCT

        Which is why I will not let the state disarm me….

  21. The Late P Brooks

    Pistols
    25 auto, 32 Long, 32 H&R mag, 9mm Luger, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 10mm Auto, 41 Rem Mag, 44 Spl, 44 Rem Mag, 45ACP, 45 LC, 45 Win Mag.
    Again, I think that is all.

    No .38 super?

    Sad.

    1. Suthenboy

      I looked at the ballistics for all of the 36 cals and 38 super is easily the best but…why have a 38 super when you can have a 10mm auto?

    2. mexican sharpshooter

      That does seem a bit odd to be missing, doesn’t it?

      1. Suthenboy

        See my comment immediately above.

  22. STEVE SMITH HAVE THE OTHER NECESSARY EQUIPMENT

  23. The Late P Brooks

    But the group would need concrete evidence to prove that the governor’s anti-N.R.A. statements had been tied to his regulatory actions, Mr. Snyder said.

    concrete evidence like whatever email correspondence comes out of discovery.

    Concrete evidence like financial penalties?

  24. The Late P Brooks

    OT: “If white parents want to raise children who play a role in creating a just and inclusive society, we’ve got to start talking about race.”

    Talk about it?

    They never shut up about it.

    1. Suthenboy

      Inclusive society = people at each other throats instead of showing up at the elite’s doors with pitchforks

  25. OT: Probably posted already.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hotly-contested-ohio-race-get-closer-after-hundreds-of-uncounted-votes-are-found/ar-BBLGUDd?ocid=spartanntp

    “Votes are found”??? Like when thousands of votes for Franken were in the trunk of some guy’s car in Minnesota? Tell me again which party fights tooth and nail any steps toward election integrity?

    1. Nephilium

      Hashed over in the morning links.

    2. Drake

      Sounds like a start. They’ll need to find another 1600 or so.

      1. AlexinCT

        Give them time…

    3. The Last American Hero

      see also Gregoire, Christine

    4. R C Dean

      Are the requirements for chain of custody such garbage that these ballots can even be considered?

      1. Chain of custody for Dems = Lookee here, I found a ballot!

    1. Suthenboy

      Didn’t Ergodan just pull the same shit?

    1. Floridaman

      What….the….fuck how on earth do people justify doing something like that.

      1. Tundra

        *shrugs*

        $140k and a vacation, apparently.

        1. AlexinCT

          Woke…

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      I’m guessing a Japanese hornet. Nasty bastards.

      I managed to get hit by a Cicada Killer 5 times in one attack when I was a teenager. About the same size, definitely not the same sting.

      1. Suthenboy

        Whoa. Jeebus. What? How the hell did you manage that? They aren’t aggressive at all.

        1. Scruffy Nerfherder

          Up my shirt in the dark

  26. AlexinCT

    This disaster should make most Glibs seethe…

    1. F. Stupidity Jr.

      Elaine Benes hardest hit.