My brother studied engineering for a while. He got through the calculus series, as well as differential equations, but partial differential equations did him in. I don’t know if the guy above was his teacher.
Vacuous Insight
on July 1, 2018 at 9:52 pm
I have found partial differential equations to be more “fun” than any other math course I’ve taken. The problems were similar to many E&M problems found in physics.
Rhywun
on July 1, 2018 at 10:06 pm
I loved math in HS. Now… 30 years later… I can’t even. For some reason I went in a completely different direction in college. Now, math is something I would like to get into again if I had more time. I approach it sometimes in my free time playing around in computer science but my job is boring corporate programming stuff.
Vacuous Insight
on July 1, 2018 at 10:10 pm
I wish I could get into programming but I never found it very interesting. I need to get into it because I will need those skills when I finish college and get a job.
straffinrun
on July 1, 2018 at 10:15 pm
Every student loan application should have the kid put one grain of rice on the chessboard. “What do you think this means?”
Vacuous Insight
on July 1, 2018 at 10:19 pm
If you put 1 grain on the first space, 2 on the next, then 4 and so on you will end up with well over a quintillion grains of rice.
straffinrun
on July 1, 2018 at 10:20 pm
Wrong, grasshopper. You end up with Bernie Sanders.
Rhywun
on July 1, 2018 at 10:24 pm
Aw, rats.
westernsloper
on July 1, 2018 at 10:28 pm
So rice and one fish head in every pot?
Rhywun
on July 1, 2018 at 10:24 pm
“How much can I sell 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 grains of rice for?”
Vacuous Insight
on July 1, 2018 at 10:32 pm
For physicists, if your answer is within an order of magnitude of the expected value, your answer is correct.
deadhead
on July 2, 2018 at 7:31 am
This is pretty late, so you may not get it, but check out http://haskellbook.com It is fun to some people. Depending on where you live there might be a HFFP study-group nearby, or you could organize one. The nice thing about the book is it has enough exercises in it to keep you on your toes.
Tres Cool
on July 1, 2018 at 9:05 pm
And here Ive just been using it to define laminar v. turbulent flow, as a function of gas viscosity.
Huh.
creech
on July 1, 2018 at 9:12 pm
“the lubricant can be treated as isoviscous and laminar and the fluid film is of negligible curvature”
Man, the euphemisms get more obscure every day.
Tres Cool
on July 1, 2018 at 9:13 pm
So….crisco, right?
westernsloper
on July 1, 2018 at 9:28 pm
I think that is straight off the label of the drum Jesse has linked to in the past.
Timeloose
on July 1, 2018 at 9:16 pm
I’m still amazed at all of the science and engineering I no longer use that I learned in college. I opened my fluid dynamics book a few month ago and looked at my homework from 25 years ago and it was like some other person was answering the questions.
Heroic Mulatto
on July 1, 2018 at 9:22 pm
I just feel bad for Paul Johnson.
Tres Cool
on July 1, 2018 at 9:30 pm
/nerd mic drop
commodious spittoon
on July 1, 2018 at 10:31 pm
I don’t know what the Prison Planet dude has to do study any of this.
dorvinion
on July 1, 2018 at 9:31 pm
I know exactly how you feel.
Took AP Calc and Physics in high school, but never had to take any courses of that level in College so I pretty much forgot it all within 6 months of finishing high school.
All that remains is knowing there is something mathy called integrals and derivatives.
Most of the work in industry is done with simulation software, models, etc and I rarely need to work out stuff by hand. You keep what you use and forget what you don’t and have to relearn it if needed.
Timeloose
on July 1, 2018 at 9:59 pm
I used a lot of electrical circuit models for heat and fluid flow.
Tres Cool
on July 1, 2018 at 10:03 pm
I do mostly everything for work using spreadsheets, and the standard EPA-Approved™ calculations. However, for establishing sampling parameters, I still have a slide-rule, and I still have my HP-41 calculator which I use at times to do things by hand cause it was beaten into my head that “calculators get rained on, batteries die, laptops wont boot, and you have a client than wants numbers”. So its my fail-safe.
Timeloose
on July 1, 2018 at 10:11 pm
I do a lot of math in my head and using the iPhone calculator app. It helps for estimates or during problem solving where being exact is not critical.
Gustave Lytton
on July 2, 2018 at 12:25 am
I mentioned a slide rule the other day and a forty year said “what’s a slide rule?”.
I never had one myself. Or a HP41, but I did have a promotional poster as a kid that HP did featuring the 41 and the Shuttle.
Still have my 32S and several of the newer fake HPs. Wish there was a decent RPN calculator app.
What do you mean you never had a slide rule? Even I own a slide rule. I’ve never used it, but I own one.
Brett L
on July 2, 2018 at 1:39 pm
I have a round slide-rule my wife’s grand-uncle used. And yes, I taught myself how to operate it.
straffinrun
on July 1, 2018 at 9:56 pm
All my engineering skills were developed during my bong making phase.
Timeloose
on July 1, 2018 at 9:57 pm
It’s all pipes Jerry
Juvenile Bluster
on July 1, 2018 at 9:19 pm
/r/iamverysmart
westernsloper
on July 1, 2018 at 9:22 pm
I am not sure what a Newtonian fluid is, but I do know that thanks to Brownian motion you can fart on one side of a still room and make others gag on the other side of the room but I am not an Engineer. I don’t even like trains.
straffinrun
on July 1, 2018 at 9:52 pm
Little known fact: Bernoulli’s wife inspired his principle when she queefed in the shower.
westernsloper
on July 1, 2018 at 10:23 pm
+ 1 never happens pulling your meat out of a refrigerator
Spudalicious
on July 1, 2018 at 9:27 pm
There’s a lot of swearing in there. Do we really need it?
Rhywun
on July 1, 2018 at 9:41 pm
Yeah, talk about gratuitous cussing.
Spudalicious
on July 1, 2018 at 10:03 pm
Fuckin’ A.
straffinrun
on July 1, 2018 at 10:04 pm
“I just grabbem’ by the mons pubis.” That sounds worse for some reason.
BTW: Wiki’s page for that is hawt. *NSFW?*
Timeloose
on July 1, 2018 at 10:04 pm
I watched a documentary today on Netflix called Evil Genius. It’s about the guy who was forced to rob a bank with a bomb collar around his neck. I also happened to watch the why you don’t talk to cops video last night. The two had many crossovers.
All of the suspects made the mistake of talking too much or thought they were too smart to get caught.
I would recommend. It’s well done
westernsloper
on July 1, 2018 at 10:16 pm
I watched a documentary today called College Rules about horny girls in college who want money. No robbing or cops involved. They did talk too much though.
Timeloose
on July 1, 2018 at 10:21 pm
Sounds like girls gone wild spring break.
Tres Cool
on July 1, 2018 at 10:34 pm
I’ve been meaning to work through the Stormy Daniel’s body of work, “Rump Humpers”, but its 8 parts, and I think Im gonna need a plan to keep my fluids up.
westernsloper
on July 1, 2018 at 11:05 pm
I may have told this story before, and to be honest, I can’t usually remember what stories I tell here when drinking, but one job I was on, a security guy hit up all the computer savvy guys on the crew who may be able to convert a video file to mp4 so he could load it on his playstation portable. He referred to it as his pornstation portable and the video was “Weapons of Ass Destruction”. This was around 2008 or so it was timely and politically relevant.
Tres Cool
on July 1, 2018 at 11:48 pm
Well, he had his priorities.
Timeloose
on July 1, 2018 at 10:28 pm
Nearly midnight and it’s 85 deg still. Tomorrow is going to suck.
Rhywun
on July 1, 2018 at 10:38 pm
I’m really not built for this east coast weather. I tried the west coast for 1 year but I hated it there 🙁
Spudalicious
on July 1, 2018 at 11:06 pm
We’ve been experiencing spectacular weather here in Idaho. Not to cold, not too hot. Just right.
Rhywun
on July 1, 2018 at 11:07 pm
I lived in Idaho when I was three. Maybe I should check it out again.
Gilmore
on July 1, 2018 at 10:43 pm
I mentioned the Jesse Singal “detransitioners” story in the atlantic last week, i think.
i’ve had this other story (which he cited in his own) open in a browser for like 5 days. i can’t quite get around to finishing it. its about the same topic, and the author caught almost as much shit from the frenzied SJW mobs on twitter for it.
(singal gets a lot of shit because he’s higher profile, but he’s also been researching “tranny stuff” for like a few years now and he knows his business, which of course makes him all the worse for being an ‘expert’ on the subject)
anyway, i found this one passage sort of odd:
There are a number of reasons why people detransition. For some, it’s purely medical. There may be concerns about fertility loss or complications from surgery or hormone therapy.
emphasis added.
if you’re a F-to-M trans, and you decide not to do it…. *for fertility reasons*?…. that doesn’t strike me as “purely medical” reasoning.
iow, the ability to have children (or not) isn’t a health issue. *Men don’t give birth*, and if you say you’re ‘really a man’… wtf is it with this ‘but maybe i might wanna have a baby’-instinct?
If anything both Herzon and Singal’s stories go overboard trying to cater to the “trans community”*’ sensitivities, and grant all sorts of crazy claims w/o even bothering to note “the data on this issue is weak, at best”.
e.g. nowhere do they note that the claims of “super low regret-rates!” (less than 5% who transition claim to ‘regret’ it) don’t particularly square with decades of data showing a 40% suicide-attempt-rate.
its this sort of half-hearted willingness to play along w/ certain delusions that seems to me one of the reasons they’re so viciously attacked, imo. Its the same reason BLM people got on stage and pointed fingers at Bernie Sanders face: they know they won’t fight back. they know they’ll knuckle under and make concessions, at least partially.
there’s a lot of that going around. not sure what the larger point is, but its just been something i’ve been thinking about. someone else called it, “the hygiene hypothesis” : iow, (as i understand it) the more you reduce your exposure to germs, the more vulnerable you become to any that make it through, and the more dangerous the harm they can cause. Or something like that.
Gilmore
on July 1, 2018 at 10:45 pm
(moderators: you can delete previous comment; i put too many links in)
I mentioned the Jesse Singal “detransitioners” story in the atlantic last week, i think.
i’ve had this other story (which he cited in his own) open in a browser for like 5 days. i can’t quite get around to finishing it. its about the same topic, and the author caught almost as much shit from the frenzied SJW mobs on twitter for it.
(singal gets a lot of shit because he’s higher profile, but he’s also been researching “tranny stuff” for like a few years now and he knows his business, which of course makes him all the worse for being an ‘expert’ on the subject)
anyway, i found this one passage sort of odd:
There are a number of reasons why people detransition. For some, it’s purely medical. There may be concerns about fertility loss or complications from surgery or hormone therapy.
emphasis added.
if you’re a F-to-M trans, and you decide not to do it…. *for fertility reasons*?…. that doesn’t strike me as “purely medical” reasoning.
iow, the ability to have children (or not) isn’t a health issue. *Men don’t give birth*, and if you say you’re ‘really a man’… wtf is it with this ‘but maybe i might wanna have a baby’-instinct?
If anything both Herzon and Singal’s stories go overboard trying to cater to the “trans community”*’ sensitivities, and grant all sorts of crazy claims w/o even bothering to note “the data on this issue is weak, at best”.
e.g. nowhere do they note that the claims of “super low regret-rates!” (less than 5% who transition claim to ‘regret’ it) don’t particularly square with decades of data showing a 40% suicide-attempt-rate.
its this sort of half-hearted willingness to play along w/ certain delusions that seems to me one of the reasons they’re so viciously attacked, imo. Its the same reason BLM people got on stage and pointed fingers at Bernie Sanders face: they know they won’t fight back. they know they’ll knuckle under and make concessions, at least partially.
there’s a lot of that going around. not sure what the larger point is, but its just been something i’ve been thinking about. someone else called it, “the hygiene hypothesis” : iow, (as i understand it) the more you reduce your exposure to germs, the more vulnerable you become to any that make it through, and the more dangerous the harm they can cause. Or something like that.
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Gilmore
on July 1, 2018 at 10:48 pm
*it occurred to me a minute later that the “fertility loss” concerns might be more medical than i’d considered. i suppose people might want to retain ‘viable eggs’ in event of desire for future parenthood.
but it still strikes me as odd that that instinct for parenthood would be called a ‘purely medical reason’, since its not really something that might adversely affect lifespan or functionality.
Rhywun
on July 1, 2018 at 10:56 pm
This is an issue I give almost no thought to. The amount of ink spilled over it seems way out of proportion.
Gilmore
on July 1, 2018 at 11:01 pm
“The amount of ink spilled over it seems way out of proportion.”
Maybe that’s exactly why i find the subject interesting.
Popular delusions like apprehending people illegally coming across the border and detaining them is like concentration or internment camps? Ya, we are there. The Trans thing I don’t know. I have a cousin who went through that and then changed his mind. He is not really playing with a full deck to begin with so we all just wrote it off as that. I don’t really care about it all to be honest other than as you point out it get’s way too much coverage. What are trans people like .003% of the population? No offense trans people but nobody gives a fuck. Do your thing and carry on nobody cares. More people go to furry conventions which is more frightening.
Gilmore
on July 1, 2018 at 11:40 pm
“”What are trans people like .003% of the population? ”
between 0.3-0.5% . Tho recent studies are pushing it higher, but that seems because of higher # of “curious” people who later desist.
For comparison, its roughly the same # that are born blind/deaf. Schizophrenics are about 1%; far more prevalent, tho the definition, like ‘trans’ is very loose. Only half have symptoms so severe that they’re ever inpatients at any point, many are ‘treatable’ and otherwise unrecognizable if you met them.
Gilmore
on July 1, 2018 at 11:08 pm
I also think the “Hygeine Hypothesis” thing is interesting.
Do we think that a problem persists even when it has become less frequent? Levari et al. show experimentally that when the “signal” a person is searching for becomes rare, the person naturally responds by broadening his or her definition of the signal—and therefore continues to find it even when it is not there. From low-level perception of color to higher-level judgments of ethics, there is a robust tendency for perceptual and judgmental standards to “creep” when they ought not to. For example, when blue dots become rare, participants start calling purple dots blue, and when threatening faces become rare, participants start calling neutral faces threatening. This phenomenon has broad implications that may help explain why people whose job is to find and eliminate problems in the world often cannot tell when their work is done.
I am convinced that many of the popular public psychoses are a product of near-historic low levels of crime, and an absurdly low degree of real-risk in people’s lives, compared to the past. (over-parenting, etc)
Vacuous Insight
on July 1, 2018 at 11:23 pm
So, in order to get people to stop focusing on non-existent problems, we need to create more real-world problems.
Gilmore
on July 1, 2018 at 11:27 pm
“”we need to create more real-world problems.””
Not at all. We need to allow people to deal with real world problems instead of either sheltering them from them, or pathologizing them, or blaming them on forces outside people’s control (e.g “structural oppression!”)
we also need to pay more attention to already-extant real problems and less on the trivial ones.
Gilmore
on July 1, 2018 at 11:35 pm
an example, in case its unclear…
(and maybe this isn’t the best, because it seems to come off far more conservative-sounding than i’d like)
…but consider “scouting”
Scouting was quite literally putting young kids in controlled situations which created “mini hardships” that kids would have to learn to solve/overcome.
you’d teach kids to handle “dangerous things”, like fire, knives, and know how to recognize wild animals, or what plants were poisonous.
you’d make them sleep in the outdoors and hike miles over rough terrain. for no other reason than “why not”, because it would inure them to hard experiences and remind them that if they just keep trudging, eventually they get there.
that’s just an example of a way culture used to “organize and expose people to risk/hardship” in order to inoculate people to risk/hardship. but there are millions of myriad other ways these things are done/how they work.
I think the fact that many kids don’t lose their virginity until college, for instance…. is a weird example of how little experimentation is done at younger years, and how little tolerance there is for teen ‘fooling around’ compared to the way it was 30 years ago.
Vacuous Insight
on July 1, 2018 at 11:40 pm
I understand. I’m just having fun. The scouting sounds like a good example though.
Vacuous Insight
on July 1, 2018 at 11:37 pm
But problems in gender studies is so much more interesting to solve than dealing with the boring Federal Reserve and our national debt!
Gilmore
on July 1, 2018 at 11:41 pm
“”Federal Reserve and our national debt”
That’s not really the category of “real world problems” i was suggesting were relevant, which were more about personal development/psychology.
Vacuous Insight
on July 1, 2018 at 11:48 pm
That’s fair. I’ll try to provide more insightful comments to your posts in the future.
Floridaman
on July 1, 2018 at 11:23 pm
That’s actually very interesting, it makes a lot of sense.
Meh. The more things change, the more they stay the same. A fledgling socialist dictator takes control of a Latino country. The derp coming our way as a result will just play into Trump’s hand. I’m in no way a Trumpian, but him being a bulwark against the option is enough for me.
westernsloper
on July 2, 2018 at 12:07 am
Second night in a row late night steak sandwich with blue cheese. The key to reheating leftover steak is butter. Bring it heart disease. I got ten bucks I die of skin cancer first. (HT Not Adahn)
Chafed
on July 2, 2018 at 12:39 am
You ought to smoke unfiltered cigarettes to keep that death race interesting.
Akira
on July 2, 2018 at 12:52 am
Bring it heart disease. I got ten bucks I die of skin cancer first. (HT Not Adahn)
You’re probably correct – it’s not actually proven with any certainty that saturated fats are bad for you.
My brother studied engineering for a while. He got through the calculus series, as well as differential equations, but partial differential equations did him in. I don’t know if the guy above was his teacher.
I have found partial differential equations to be more “fun” than any other math course I’ve taken. The problems were similar to many E&M problems found in physics.
I loved math in HS. Now… 30 years later… I can’t even. For some reason I went in a completely different direction in college. Now, math is something I would like to get into again if I had more time. I approach it sometimes in my free time playing around in computer science but my job is boring corporate programming stuff.
I wish I could get into programming but I never found it very interesting. I need to get into it because I will need those skills when I finish college and get a job.
Every student loan application should have the kid put one grain of rice on the chessboard. “What do you think this means?”
If you put 1 grain on the first space, 2 on the next, then 4 and so on you will end up with well over a quintillion grains of rice.
Wrong, grasshopper. You end up with Bernie Sanders.
Aw, rats.
So rice and one fish head in every pot?
“How much can I sell 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 grains of rice for?”
For physicists, if your answer is within an order of magnitude of the expected value, your answer is correct.
This is pretty late, so you may not get it, but check out http://haskellbook.com It is fun to some people. Depending on where you live there might be a HFFP study-group nearby, or you could organize one. The nice thing about the book is it has enough exercises in it to keep you on your toes.
And here Ive just been using it to define laminar v. turbulent flow, as a function of gas viscosity.
Huh.
“the lubricant can be treated as isoviscous and laminar and the fluid film is of negligible curvature”
Man, the euphemisms get more obscure every day.
So….crisco, right?
I think that is straight off the label of the drum Jesse has linked to in the past.
I’m still amazed at all of the science and engineering I no longer use that I learned in college. I opened my fluid dynamics book a few month ago and looked at my homework from 25 years ago and it was like some other person was answering the questions.
I just feel bad for Paul Johnson.
/nerd mic drop
I don’t know what the Prison Planet dude has to do study any of this.
I know exactly how you feel.
Took AP Calc and Physics in high school, but never had to take any courses of that level in College so I pretty much forgot it all within 6 months of finishing high school.
All that remains is knowing there is something mathy called integrals and derivatives.
Ditto
Also, +1 Günther -1 hat
Most of the work in industry is done with simulation software, models, etc and I rarely need to work out stuff by hand. You keep what you use and forget what you don’t and have to relearn it if needed.
I used a lot of electrical circuit models for heat and fluid flow.
I do mostly everything for work using spreadsheets, and the standard EPA-Approved™ calculations. However, for establishing sampling parameters, I still have a slide-rule, and I still have my HP-41 calculator which I use at times to do things by hand cause it was beaten into my head that “calculators get rained on, batteries die, laptops wont boot, and you have a client than wants numbers”. So its my fail-safe.
I do a lot of math in my head and using the iPhone calculator app. It helps for estimates or during problem solving where being exact is not critical.
I mentioned a slide rule the other day and a forty year said “what’s a slide rule?”.
I never had one myself. Or a HP41, but I did have a promotional poster as a kid that HP did featuring the 41 and the Shuttle.
Still have my 32S and several of the newer fake HPs. Wish there was a decent RPN calculator app.
What do you mean you never had a slide rule? Even I own a slide rule. I’ve never used it, but I own one.
I have a round slide-rule my wife’s grand-uncle used. And yes, I taught myself how to operate it.
All my engineering skills were developed during my bong making phase.
It’s all pipes Jerry
/r/iamverysmart
I am not sure what a Newtonian fluid is, but I do know that thanks to Brownian motion you can fart on one side of a still room and make others gag on the other side of the room but I am not an Engineer. I don’t even like trains.
Little known fact: Bernoulli’s wife inspired his principle when she queefed in the shower.
+ 1 never happens pulling your meat out of a refrigerator
There’s a lot of swearing in there. Do we really need it?
Yeah, talk about gratuitous cussing.
Fuckin’ A.
“I just grabbem’ by the mons pubis.” That sounds worse for some reason.
BTW: Wiki’s page for that is hawt. *NSFW?*
I watched a documentary today on Netflix called Evil Genius. It’s about the guy who was forced to rob a bank with a bomb collar around his neck. I also happened to watch the why you don’t talk to cops video last night. The two had many crossovers.
All of the suspects made the mistake of talking too much or thought they were too smart to get caught.
I would recommend. It’s well done
I watched a documentary today called College Rules about horny girls in college who want money. No robbing or cops involved. They did talk too much though.
Sounds like girls gone wild spring break.
I’ve been meaning to work through the Stormy Daniel’s body of work, “Rump Humpers”, but its 8 parts, and I think Im gonna need a plan to keep my fluids up.
I may have told this story before, and to be honest, I can’t usually remember what stories I tell here when drinking, but one job I was on, a security guy hit up all the computer savvy guys on the crew who may be able to convert a video file to mp4 so he could load it on his playstation portable. He referred to it as his pornstation portable and the video was “Weapons of Ass Destruction”. This was around 2008 or so it was timely and politically relevant.
Well, he had his priorities.
Nearly midnight and it’s 85 deg still. Tomorrow is going to suck.
I’m really not built for this east coast weather. I tried the west coast for 1 year but I hated it there 🙁
We’ve been experiencing spectacular weather here in Idaho. Not to cold, not too hot. Just right.
I lived in Idaho when I was three. Maybe I should check it out again.
I mentioned the Jesse Singal “detransitioners” story in the atlantic last week, i think.
i’ve had this other story (which he cited in his own) open in a browser for like 5 days. i can’t quite get around to finishing it. its about the same topic, and the author caught almost as much shit from the frenzied SJW mobs on twitter for it.
(singal gets a lot of shit because he’s higher profile, but he’s also been researching “tranny stuff” for like a few years now and he knows his business, which of course makes him all the worse for being an ‘expert’ on the subject)
anyway, i found this one passage sort of odd:
emphasis added.
if you’re a F-to-M trans, and you decide not to do it…. *for fertility reasons*?…. that doesn’t strike me as “purely medical” reasoning.
iow, the ability to have children (or not) isn’t a health issue. *Men don’t give birth*, and if you say you’re ‘really a man’… wtf is it with this ‘but maybe i might wanna have a baby’-instinct?
If anything both Herzon and Singal’s stories go overboard trying to cater to the “trans community”*’ sensitivities, and grant all sorts of crazy claims w/o even bothering to note “the data on this issue is weak, at best”.
e.g. nowhere do they note that the claims of “super low regret-rates!” (less than 5% who transition claim to ‘regret’ it) don’t particularly square with decades of data showing a 40% suicide-attempt-rate.
its this sort of half-hearted willingness to play along w/ certain delusions that seems to me one of the reasons they’re so viciously attacked, imo. Its the same reason BLM people got on stage and pointed fingers at Bernie Sanders face: they know they won’t fight back. they know they’ll knuckle under and make concessions, at least partially.
there’s a lot of that going around. not sure what the larger point is, but its just been something i’ve been thinking about. someone else called it, “the hygiene hypothesis” : iow, (as i understand it) the more you reduce your exposure to germs, the more vulnerable you become to any that make it through, and the more dangerous the harm they can cause. Or something like that.
(moderators: you can delete previous comment; i put too many links in)
I mentioned the Jesse Singal “detransitioners” story in the atlantic last week, i think.
i’ve had this other story (which he cited in his own) open in a browser for like 5 days. i can’t quite get around to finishing it. its about the same topic, and the author caught almost as much shit from the frenzied SJW mobs on twitter for it.
(singal gets a lot of shit because he’s higher profile, but he’s also been researching “tranny stuff” for like a few years now and he knows his business, which of course makes him all the worse for being an ‘expert’ on the subject)
anyway, i found this one passage sort of odd:
emphasis added.
if you’re a F-to-M trans, and you decide not to do it…. *for fertility reasons*?…. that doesn’t strike me as “purely medical” reasoning.
iow, the ability to have children (or not) isn’t a health issue. *Men don’t give birth*, and if you say you’re ‘really a man’… wtf is it with this ‘but maybe i might wanna have a baby’-instinct?
If anything both Herzon and Singal’s stories go overboard trying to cater to the “trans community”*’ sensitivities, and grant all sorts of crazy claims w/o even bothering to note “the data on this issue is weak, at best”.
e.g. nowhere do they note that the claims of “super low regret-rates!” (less than 5% who transition claim to ‘regret’ it) don’t particularly square with decades of data showing a 40% suicide-attempt-rate.
its this sort of half-hearted willingness to play along w/ certain delusions that seems to me one of the reasons they’re so viciously attacked, imo. Its the same reason BLM people got on stage and pointed fingers at Bernie Sanders face: they know they won’t fight back. they know they’ll knuckle under and make concessions, at least partially.
there’s a lot of that going around. not sure what the larger point is, but its just been something i’ve been thinking about. someone else called it, “the hygiene hypothesis” : iow, (as i understand it) the more you reduce your exposure to germs, the more vulnerable you become to any that make it through, and the more dangerous the harm they can cause. Or something like that.
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*it occurred to me a minute later that the “fertility loss” concerns might be more medical than i’d considered. i suppose people might want to retain ‘viable eggs’ in event of desire for future parenthood.
but it still strikes me as odd that that instinct for parenthood would be called a ‘purely medical reason’, since its not really something that might adversely affect lifespan or functionality.
This is an issue I give almost no thought to. The amount of ink spilled over it seems way out of proportion.
Maybe that’s exactly why i find the subject interesting.
i also enjoyed, “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds“
Popular delusions like apprehending people illegally coming across the border and detaining them is like concentration or internment camps? Ya, we are there. The Trans thing I don’t know. I have a cousin who went through that and then changed his mind. He is not really playing with a full deck to begin with so we all just wrote it off as that. I don’t really care about it all to be honest other than as you point out it get’s way too much coverage. What are trans people like .003% of the population? No offense trans people but nobody gives a fuck. Do your thing and carry on nobody cares. More people go to furry conventions which is more frightening.
“”What are trans people like .003% of the population? ”
between 0.3-0.5% . Tho recent studies are pushing it higher, but that seems because of higher # of “curious” people who later desist.
For comparison, its roughly the same # that are born blind/deaf. Schizophrenics are about 1%; far more prevalent, tho the definition, like ‘trans’ is very loose. Only half have symptoms so severe that they’re ever inpatients at any point, many are ‘treatable’ and otherwise unrecognizable if you met them.
I also think the “Hygeine Hypothesis” thing is interesting.
more on that here
I am convinced that many of the popular public psychoses are a product of near-historic low levels of crime, and an absurdly low degree of real-risk in people’s lives, compared to the past. (over-parenting, etc)
So, in order to get people to stop focusing on non-existent problems, we need to create more real-world problems.
Not at all. We need to allow people to deal with real world problems instead of either sheltering them from them, or pathologizing them, or blaming them on forces outside people’s control (e.g “structural oppression!”)
we also need to pay more attention to already-extant real problems and less on the trivial ones.
an example, in case its unclear…
(and maybe this isn’t the best, because it seems to come off far more conservative-sounding than i’d like)
…but consider “scouting”
Scouting was quite literally putting young kids in controlled situations which created “mini hardships” that kids would have to learn to solve/overcome.
you’d teach kids to handle “dangerous things”, like fire, knives, and know how to recognize wild animals, or what plants were poisonous.
you’d make them sleep in the outdoors and hike miles over rough terrain. for no other reason than “why not”, because it would inure them to hard experiences and remind them that if they just keep trudging, eventually they get there.
that’s just an example of a way culture used to “organize and expose people to risk/hardship” in order to inoculate people to risk/hardship. but there are millions of myriad other ways these things are done/how they work.
I think the fact that many kids don’t lose their virginity until college, for instance…. is a weird example of how little experimentation is done at younger years, and how little tolerance there is for teen ‘fooling around’ compared to the way it was 30 years ago.
I understand. I’m just having fun. The scouting sounds like a good example though.
But problems in gender studies is so much more interesting to solve than dealing with the boring Federal Reserve and our national debt!
That’s not really the category of “real world problems” i was suggesting were relevant, which were more about personal development/psychology.
That’s fair. I’ll try to provide more insightful comments to your posts in the future.
That’s actually very interesting, it makes a lot of sense.
So, I see fun ahead.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5907867/Andres-Manuel-Lopez-Obrador-wins-Mexican-presidential-election.html
Oh boy.
Meh. The more things change, the more they stay the same. A fledgling socialist dictator takes control of a Latino country. The derp coming our way as a result will just play into Trump’s hand. I’m in no way a Trumpian, but him being a bulwark against the option is enough for me.
Second night in a row late night steak sandwich with blue cheese. The key to reheating leftover steak is butter. Bring it heart disease. I got ten bucks I die of skin cancer first. (HT Not Adahn)
You ought to smoke unfiltered cigarettes to keep that death race interesting.
You’re probably correct – it’s not actually proven with any certainty that saturated fats are bad for you.
Playing catchup and I find this gem.
This is why HM is my favorite commenter.