I have been lugging a pistol around for thirty five years. It is a nuisance. I have to make certain I remember to bring it with me every time I leave the house. I have to always know where it is, make sure it is safe from theft or curious hands, and it can be heavy and uncomfortable to wear. Mind you, I love my pistols because most of them are the pinnacle of the machinist’s art. My collection, better than I ever thought I would have as a young man, goes back five generations in my family. They aren’t just tools. They are a testament to the ingenuity and skill of man, but just carrying a hunk of steel around is a pain in the butt. When I am home, I always have one either within arm’s reach or a step or two away. I have solved some of the problem by stepping down from a full sized pistol to a sub-compact, but it is still a nuisance.
I find recreational shooting enormously enjoyable and years ago I did some competitive shooting. For me, the competition was just organized recreational shooting. Back in those days, I would burn through fifty thousand or more rounds per year. I was no Jerry Miculek but I guess I wasn’t too bad. I could break clays with ease with a pistol even drawing after the clay was in the air. Unfortunately, that is a perishable skill as I recently learned. Despite my enjoyment of all that, utility carrying is no fun. I wish I lived in a world where I could just put them all back in the safe after playtime is over.
I raised or partially raised several children, but I have only one biological son. He was the kid everyone wishes they had. He was never any trouble and actually followed the advice I gave him. I don’t know how much of that was because of me. I know his mother was no small part of it, but I like to think I wasn’t, either. He is a grown man now, married with two children and owns his own wildly successful business. He is smart and industrious and a true credit to our society.
When he was one year old, or thereabouts, his mother and I had our own business. It was a lot of work and meant long work days, sometimes up to 16 hours. We took turns in the evenings taking our son home and putting him to bed. One evening it was my turn so I put him in the child seat and strapped it in on the passenger side front seat. It was a dreary night, pissing rain and cold. Visibility was bad. In those days we had a small traffic circle that I had to navigate through to get home. Because it was so small, it was impossible to yield and then zip around. Invariably cars had to stop and wait. It functioned more as a four-way stop than a circle. On that evening, as usual, I had to stop. There were several cars in front of me and cars stopped behind me.
Without any warning a man began pounding on the passenger side window with his fist, just inches from my infant son. He was yanking on the door handle and trying to break the glass at the same time. He was screaming and cursing at me and demanding that I open the door. I don’t know where he came from. I have no idea what his circumstances were or why he was doing that, but no way in hell was I going to unlock that door. Fortunately, I had my pistol tucked between the seat and the console. I drew it out, reached across the cabin and pointed straight at his chest. I tapped on the window three times with the end of the barrel. *Poof*. The guy disappeared like smoke in the wind. I looked around the windows and in all of the mirrors, but I couldn’t see him anywhere. He must have dropped to the ground and crawled away. I still thank God he had the wisdom to do that. I didn’t have to pull the trigger but if he had broken that window or gotten that door open I certainly would have. In all of the years I have carried a pistol, that is the only time I have had to lay hands on it in earnest.
A pistol is exactly analogous to a fire extinguisher: another tool that I keep close at hand all of the time. I keep two of those in my jeep. You lug it around and 99.9999% of the time you don’t need it, but when the moment arises that you do need it, by God you need it.
As you can imagine, anti-gun and anti-second amendment arguments don’t carry much weight with me. Walk out all you want. Yammer lies until your jaw falls off. I am keeping my guns. It just isn’t up for discussion. My son is likely in the world today because one rainy evening twenty five years ago I had a pistol.
Great story, Suthen
I am keeping my guns.
This has become my standard response when the idiots start talking.
My carry gun is a Sig. So is Mrs. Dean’s. We rarely carry because we are both in and out of health care institutions where it is verboten, jah? Her “bedside” gun is also a Sig (and her wedding present from me). My “too big to carry” gun is a Para-Ordnance 1911 in .45 (double-stack mags give it 14+1 capacity – great fun to shoot, but when fully loaded the magazine itself weighs a full pound).
I always say “pick the handgun that feels best in your hand”. Also – don’t be afraid to take it in to a good gunsmith to get it tuned up, and if its a semi-auto, you gotta run different kinds of ammo through it to see what feeds/ejects well. That’s about it for me as far as “which gun should you get”.
During the weekend(?) discussion of handguns, someone linked to Bond Arms, which makes derringers. I have one of their Snake Slayers (takes a .410 shotgun shell, which makes it kind of a directional hand grenade). It would be an interesting choice for a carry gun (+ 3 intimidation, – 2 range, – 2 capacity), but they are unexpectedly heavy.
I’ve often considered getting a derringer as a pocket/garter gun. I’m not sold on their practicality, but they do make up for that with all that sex appeal they got going on.
NAA Pug
https://northamericanarms.com/shop/firearms/naa-pug-t/
How can you resist?
Ugh. I can’t. NAA makes some of the most adorable little fellas available on the market.
I’m still thinking about the garter…
Does it make Nazi salutes?
YOU GO JAIL NOW!
In Canada, my Home and Native Land™, that thing would have “totes illegal” written all over it. I’m sure there’s some gang member in South Surrey (a few kilometres from my house) packing something like that right now. It’s a shame that we can’t even rent one at a licensed gun range just to see what it’s like.
I has a sad.
It’s amusing to shoot. It’s a little squirmy due to the inability to get a real grip on it, but not unpleasant.
I’ve seen those referred to as ENT guns. It means what you think.
If this is what I can expect, sign me up.
do people wear garters anymore?
If the answer is no, I don’t wanna know.
Of course they do!
My wife and I do not carry all the time, yet.
Weapons are forbidden at work (including the parking lots). We could carry and leave the weapons locked in our vehicles during the work day, but that seems like a bad idea.
We do carry now when we travel.
Yeah, the fact that the People’s Republic of Connecticut treats even us few that pay the exorbitant costs for a carry permit like almost criminals, makes carrying all the time a drag. I used to leave my pistol in a safe I had under my car seat, but when I heard about the buddy that had turned me to that expensive option having his whole seat stolen so they could make off with that safe, I stopped carrying to work and leaving it in the car.
Considering how some of my blue states neighbors are even more horrible on concealed carry, I am always cautious carrying when I travel just on the off chance you cross some stupid state line and find yourself looking at pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
Love the alt-text.
Aren’t guns kind of becoming like vehicles, though? It seems like most major manufacturers are making decent products now.
Decent, sure, but not identical, and if any group of reprobates can argue useless minutia for hours on end as if it actually matters it’s this group of reprobates.
The hell we can!
Meh, it’s Ford/Chevy/Ram.
I carry a Shield because it shoots great, it’s concealable, cheap and doesn’t give two fucks about ammo.
Same. 9mm or .40?
9mm. In this holster, which I highly recommend.
Mine lives in this holster. id probably go with the 2 loop holster on reflection.
I had to get creative with my holster. Ended up using a sticky holster, glue, velcro, and sewing skills so I could safely carry in my purse, but it was worth it.
Ruger GP100 in .327 federal magnum, because I’m weird.
Not weird. I was just reading about the .327 and it comes across as a very solid defense round.
I used to carry an sp101 in 327. That is a hot round. Prepare to be deaf after the gun fight.
A series of ear infections when I was an infant already took me most of the way there. No worries on that front. My permanently perforated eardrums are immune to tinnitus.
So true. This is what I bought for myself for my 21st birthday, with the intention of carrying it. Of course, then I practiced with it at length and realized… probably not suitable for CC. Lol.
The first .357 mag through it at practice always makes me feel a little like I punched myself in the face.
I carry the LCR in .327. I <3 it.
It’s not bad. It should have more than enough ass behind it to drop a person with no issues, and it’s easier on my messed up wrists than a .357 magnum. I also have a mess of .32 H&R (no relation to TOS), .32 S&W long and .32 S&W short to run through for practice if my wrists are acting up. The weird part is the reason I have all of those smaller calibers, I’m slightly obsessed with break top revolvers, which mostly shoot some combination of those rounds. I have 7 that work, and I’m slowly working my way to getting the other 3 that I have to fireable condition.
It’s like working on clocks, with all the little springs and detents and gears and such.
My first pistol is a GP100. Nice gun. Got it the day the Brady Bill went into effect. I was 15.
Good Job Suthen, a True Gentleman
Having your son abducted or worse is just the price you pay for living in a society. It’s one of the clauses in that social contract you signed.
He deserved it, really.
The only people who have the training and responsibility to use firearms safely are police. They’re there to protect us. And when they don’t or can’t protect us, that’s not a failure on their part. It’s a failure on our part, for living in a society that permits bad people to have guns. Because only bad people have guns, except for cops, because cops are allowed to have guns, and people who don’t have guns don’t do bad things, because they don’t have guns, and only bad people who aren’t cops have guns, because cops protect us from the bad people with the guns and if we just took the guns from the bad people bad things wouldn’t happen to the good people who don’t have the guns and then we wouldn’t need police because there wouldn’t be bad people anymore.
Puppycide is just the price we must pay for civilization.
I love this. This is literally the thought process of a prog gun grabber. Perfect illustration of the pretzel logic they engage in.
That son? You didn’t build him.
This would be met round these parts with so you didnt really needed and the risks are obviously not worth it so it is better to ban all guns for the good society. Because tjere are much more people not as responsible and theu would shoot each other in the streets
People here seem to think that because people punch each other in traffic they would shoot each other is guns were legal. This is to me nonsense. People would be a lot more careful with guns. Most are not insane to shoot someone in busy traffic. Especially in a country where you see news about 20 people fought with axes and swords in the street. 2 lighly injured no hospitalization required. Most of these people are not that brave. They would not risk getting shot or significant jail time
As Heinlein noted, an armed society is a polite society.
So much this…
Traffic circles. That’s what causes murders.
I can no longer carry where I work.
Well, I might be able to, but I’d have to ask.
I also wouldn’t want to leave it in the car. That seems like a great place for it to get stolen.
Get a Hi-Point or some other el cheapo brand if you’re worried about the cost of a stolen gun.
My FIL has a Kel-Tec that he carries specifically because it’s reliable enough and if he actually needs to use it he can afford for it to be seized as evidence and lost.
Yeah that’s not a bad idea. We should be able to carry more places.
Step one: drive a car so shitty that no-one would believe it has anything valuable about it or in it.
Step two: install a hidden lockable compartment large enough to house a pistol.
Step three: ???
Step four: profit!
There’s about to be a locking center console in the fj.
My other car might have to be a little shitty.
Be careful with step two, Ohio has a <a href="http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.241v1"law banning hidden compartments used to transport “controlled substances”. The one part that may protect you is:
Goddamned drug war.
The cops ignore that. For a while they were just seizing any car they wanted if it had a compartment in it regardless of contents. Oh, that compartment that holds your jack? They were considering that a hidden compartment as well.
Of course they do. They’re cops, they can’t be expected to know the laws that they enforce.
I have one of these.
http://www.consolevault.com/
What is the installation like? Is it easy for someone to do at home?
Super easy. Run out some bolts. Put vault inside. Run bolts back in.
I’ll have to look into this.
Unfortunately, we have three vehicles and only one is supported by these folks.
Try Tuffy
https://www.tuffyproducts.com
I agree with the recommendation. It’s not perfect, but it will resist smash-and-grabs.
Anyway good piece
Glad to hear you had it when you needed and didn’t have to pull the trigger. I think that’s the kind of thing that gets lost in statistics. I’m guessing you didn’t make a beeline for the local PD and report the incident, right?
I recall one Christmas Eve years ago when my dad was still alive. This was probably ’94 as I recall; we did presents on Christmas Eve in my family and then went to midnight mass, “just in case”, as he used to say. I remember he’d gotten me a Ruger 10/22, and I was over the moon.
So we’re on Church Circle at an ATM in good ol’ Naptown. It’s not poorly lit or anything, and it’s a highly-trafficked area for our town, but it’s also a couple blocks from some bad projects and the population was largely liberal yuppies. And 11:30 on Christmas Eve is generally not a busy time of night. I’ll never forget this: we’re at this ATM, and I’m not really paying too much attention. My dad’s reaching for his wallet and I see him kind of start, and then switch his hand a little bit to lift his sweater up and get to his waistband. I look over and follow his eyes to see two scruffy-looking bums hurrying over. They take a minute to process the situation. My dad shakes his head–I think he might have actually said “Nope”–and without breaking stride they turned around and hustled in the other direction.
My dad was a scary dude generally, but in Maryland, where CCW permits are thin on the ground, it helped a lot that he was a deputy and carried more-or-less with impunity. He was the kind of guy who was good at handling trouble, which meant that trouble found him pretty often.
Agreed.
I’ve already had to use a fire extinguisher at my house. I hope that diminishes the likelihood that I’ll need my pistol, but I’m not leaving home without it.
The gun/fire extinguisher analogy is so perfect I can’t believe I haven’t heard it used before today. Wow.
Well, you can’t prevent a fire from igniting by showing it your extinguisher, but otherwise…
How do you know? Have you ever tried? I have a fire extinguisher visible in my living room. I am looking around and I dont see any fires. I bet you think tiger repelling rocks dont work either.
Suthen, I’d like to buy your rock.
A wonderful contribution and great anecdote, Mr Suthenboy. As I am 4 weeks away from welcoming my first child into the world, this rings very close to home.
I remember when you posted this story at TOS a few years back, and it speaks to the power and simplicity of the incident that I still remember that comment, while so many others have been forgotten.
Man, I hope my father speaks like this about me as you do your boy. Good on ya, mate.
Congratulations in advance! Parenthood is quite the experience. Any negative part of the experience is instantly forgotten the first time your child smiles at you or says your name. As I type this, baby trshmnstr is crawling down the hall, screaming “Dada” and looking for me.
Huh. Mine brought me a cocktail from the bar while we were on vacation and it kind of blew my mind. It seems like yesterday he was just a cute little dude who smiled all the time. Now he’s preparing to fly the nest.
It’s a cliche, but enjoy these times trashy. They go by really fucking fast!
When my kid was 19 we visited relatives in Canada. He was so excited he could legally buy booze he got me a case of beer.
*sigh
Oh how I love that kid.
I’m glad it all worked out Suthen. Thanks for sharing your story highlighting the importance of carrying.
It also highlights why brandishing laws are misguided, if not outright evil.
1971. Eatontown, NJ. Apartment complex.
I came home on a Sunday afternoon with my 2 kids and mother to discover my apartment had been burglarized. Stolen was two 35mm cameras and a handful of change. An attempt had been made to open a glass fronted gun cabinet, the glass had been chipped but not opened. My down stairs neighbor had also been burglarized.
One week later, midnight Saturday, I was woke by a loud pounding on my door. I had my Rem 1100, round in the chamber, with the bolt open but finger of the release button. I opened the door, had the chain on, there was a guy (drunk?) looking for a friend or casing the place, I don’t know. I never showed the gun but told him to leave the building.
I would have pulled the trigger had it been necessary. I also took the guns out of the gun cabinet, cased them, except for one and got rid of the gun cabinet.
Trump: “Ignorance and cunning”
She probably has a good argument about ‘rule of law’ somewhere in there, but its so buried in a heap of right-thinking OMG WERST PRESIDENT EVER AMIRITE-ness that it would elude any but the most patient
What Marcus calls weaponizing the Supreme Court, I call using the President’s Constitutional right to appoint judges subject to the advice and consent of the Senate. The same rule applies to the Dems, but I guess they don’t “weaponize” it, because Marcus agrees with the Dems. Because I live in California, my vote doesn’t matter, so I could throw my vote Johnson. But if California were competitive, I would have voted for Trump solely for the judicial appointments.
So how does a short, fat dude carry, when he carries? Particularly for road trips?
This is what I picked. I like it quite a bit.
https://www.craftholsters.com/vertical-roto-shoulder-holster-w-double-mag-pouch-p163
I saw this folding shotgun on forgotten weapons youtube that would make a good carry
Great article Southen’. I’m glad it worked out and also that you’ve never had to use your weapon in that manner since.
My wife has already “used” her pistol.
We live in semi-rural Iowa in a development. She came out on a Saturday morning, and a vehicle was blocking the end of the driveway.
A dude got out and started walking down the driveway. She drew her pistol; pointed at the dude; and told him to stop. He apparently decided not to argue, then turned and left.
First off, holy crap! That’s really scary!
Second off, I’m a bit concerned about this scenario with my wife. She would never carry, and if I’m carrying at work, the shotgun is way in the back of the house.
She went out to her car to load her toys for a craft demonstration (spinning, weaving, etc) and saw the vehicle at the end of the driveway. So she went back into the house to get her pistol. When she came back out, he got out of his vehicle.
He never said a word when she pointed a loaded EMP at him. He just stopped, and turned back up the driveway.
Was it Ed McMahon carrying a large novelty cheque? That might have been a mistake.
Hey-ooooh!
Good job, Southen. And I think the fact you were willing to protect your son like this is evidence that you were no small part of his success.
SP:
During a particularly tedious teleconference, I dropped my Cocktail of the Weeks into your recipe submission form. Also have a new cocktail that I may put in for a Belly Up to the Bar redux, if Derpy has another Spot the Not in him.
Standing ovation
Great article Suthen!
Some music for ya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jBi8XfKzk0
During the weekend(?) discussion of handguns, someone linked to Bond Arms, which makes derringers.
They’re ugly. Real ugly.
Excellent article; I’m going to send this to a few anti-gunners I know. Granted it will likely fall on deaf ears, but they need to hear stuff like this.
Oh and best manufacturer: strongly depends on what type of firearm.
Revolver: S&W
Pistol: My fav – CZ 75, however if going by pure reliability and consistency I have to reluctantly say Glock
Shotgun: Mossberg
Semi-Auto Rifle: My M1A is objectively the best gun I own, Daniel’s Defense for AR platform
Bolt Rifle: Weatherby (in spite, or perhaps because of, how expensive they are)
All that said, the manufacturer that makes the best all around firearms across all categories: Ruger. My 0.02.
Second ruger for all around good guns. I’ve been swapping parts on my mark IV. Fun gun to tinker with. Honestly none of the “upgrades” are that dramatic. Other than +1 bumpers.
no one needs more than one firearm.
What is your musket type?
Nice hat.
Is that a pic of you in Afghanistan?
My three muzzleloaders are: Plains rifle .54 rifled for a round ball, Plains rifle .54 rifled for a conical, and a Model Army 1860 .44 revolver.
I love hunting with the rifles.
Needz moar cleavage.
Mossberg 500 and the M1A are on my list of this to buy.
I keep thinking about what I want in semi auto 308. Everybody seems to speak very highly of the M1A.
Not much to dislike – bog standard model is accurate as hell. The Loaded and NM models even more so.
Negative is that it’s from Springfield Armory and there was that nasty little revelation about their deal with the state of IL.
I’ve got an FNAR.
Only complaint is that the proprietary magazines are expensive (~$65).
Shoots very nice (soft and accurate).
Hit a paper plate at 300M every single time.
Ahhh, *another* gun I can’t have 🙁 Unless I get the ‘Competition’.
There’s one mag at Gunbroker for $50 if you’re looking.
I’ve got one. Very nice piece of machinery. A little on the heavy side, if that’s an issue, and they aren’t the easiest to take down and clean. They are famously accurate.
There’s lots of AR platforms that support .308 these days. I’m kinda lusting after Tavor bullpups these days, and I think they do a model or two in .308.
Psst: it’s heavy ‘cos it’s a battle rifle, not a skirmish rifle.
Don’t get me wrong: I like heavier rifles because of the way they damp out recoil. As I’ve aged, it also means I shoot almost exclusively off of sticks or supports, though. I can’t remember the last time I shot off-hand at an animal.
I’ve heard mixed reviews on the AR-10 platform. The heft of the M1A may be a benefit given the bite of the 308.
Hickock45 said it was a very soft shooter — surprising for a 308 (that was the M1A Scout model he was reviewing).
I’ve got a Scout. Slightly pimped out, but mass-wise, pretty much standard.
What to say? I’m 6ft, borderline obese, and the felt recoil is considerably less than a Lee Enfield, and a bit less than a Garand – after all, it’s basically a slightly heavier M1 chambered in 308.
The worst thing about the Scout Squad/SOCOM models are the muzzle brake, especially if you’re standing next to the guy firing. Have good ear protection, is all I’m saying.
I’ve been tempted to get the Kel-tec RFB. Anyone have any experience?
I’ve heard mixed reviews on that one. The forward ejection is a very complicated setup; which means more can go wrong. My dad has the RDB and it’s amazing. Granted, it’s not .308, but if I knew about the RDB before I bought my Tavor, I would have been sorely tempted to go with it instead (the $600 cheaper price tag helps too).
Cool. Maybe next birthday I’ll gamble.
My carry gun is a CZ-75 Compact. It’s heavy as a brick (all but a few small parts are steel) but it shoots like a dream, and the 14+1 capacity gives me a good feeling.
Shoulda sprung for a PCR – but then again, compared to a plastic gun, it’s still heavy.
Daniel’s Defense for AR platform
Look at Q throwin money around.
It’s raining Washingtons!
Wife’s home in the apartment alone. I’m working mid shift. She hears someone working at the door knob. She get the single-shot .410 opens it (we got no ammo – i’d used it the other day). Tells the guy through the door “I’ve got a shot gun and I’ll use it.” Slams the gun shut with that distinctive thunk. From the other side of the door “Uh… wrong apartment…”
My wife is pretty bad ass. She was working in Oakland and had to part in a dodgey area. She was driving the Healey which has a cloth top and no door locks. She always backed into the parking spot. One night a guy followed her and stood in front of the car in a threatening manner. She started the car, took it up the the redline and dropped the clutch. She never looked back to see how badly he was hurt..
Yeah, but how was the car? 😉
No damage given the skinny front bumper she likely broke his leg.
Another time she was getting gas in Oakland (before self service) and two guys nearby got into an argument and a gun was pulled. She goes “I’m outta here” and burns off with the hose still in the car.
I don’t miss Oakland.
“she likely broke his leg”
With any luck it was a severe compound fracture that got infected and gangrenous resulting in an agonizing death.
I got robbed by a parapalegic in Oakland once.
Thanks for that.
/ha!
Great story Suthen. Nothing like staring at a handgun to make a dirt bag rethink what they are doing.
My son’s still around; his EDC is a G26.
I preach situational awareness, which means my wife is annoyed daily that I won’t let myself get hemmed in in traffic….or anywhere else. Just pull up! Nope: our egress is up the sidewalk and through that yard….
My EDC is G30 these days…easy enough.
What I hated about authoritarian-socon TX was “shall conceal.” In those days I lugged a hogleg of a beast: SW686, 6″, 44oz unloaded; that was really only a cold-weather solution: the rest of the time it was under the seat or in a briefcase or some other man-purse.
I will also say that armed, I just skip a lot of troubled areas and situations that, ironically, I might risk unarmed: I don’t want to ever again shoot somebody. I really don’t want to bring that (1983) up except to say that I’ve defended life and property, it’s gutwrenching stuff, and i still carry.
I can’t imagine being forced to take someone’s life in defense of my own. People with morals, such as yourself, will be wrenched by such situations, regardless off the danger.
4″ 586 is what I had the night this event happened. It is a serious gun and looking down the wrong end of it is no doubt what made that guy rethink his course of action.
I have a large pair of cargo shorts (when I am skin-suit carrying) that can hide a Lionheart LH9 (Korean version of a S&W 669 but more baddass). Although i usually carry a Sig 232. Both are nice all-metal firearms.
” but more baddass”
i have watched many reviews of that thing and i find it very appealing. people seem to have mixed opinions about the various stages of trigger pull, but, just as an observer, it seems a clever new take on how to handle the DA/SA divide.
Isn’t that “double-action+ trigger” just a thumb-activated decocker?
No, it’s actually disturbingly weird.
When the hammer is cocked for SA. You actually push the hammer forward until it’s all the way against the slide. Then when you pull the trigger it is a long light pull which re-cocks the hammer until it breaks at the previous SA point and shoots. It’s a neat trick but still would save you from a Plaxico limp under heated conditions.
Me personally I just carefully drop the hammer back to the slide like a standard CZ 75B and carry with regular DA first pull
*wouldn’t*
That’s why you should have a 75BD.
Good story Suthen!
Hey Q. You’re now the data scientist. Even with this small group of folks here we’ve got a few first-person brandishing (and one firing?) incidents amongst us. This must be pretty common. Tell us what it all means.
Without looking at raw data, I can’t draw any conclusions; however just thinking about the typical situation logically I’d say a huge percentage of defensive firearms uses (>95%) probably don’t result in any shots being fired.
Even the dumbest criminal still has a self-preservation instinct and will typically back down when looking at the business end of a gun. John Lott Jr. has done rigorous research on this and he estimates in the millions of incidents per year.
“Without looking at raw data”. Oh come on, that doesn’t stop most people from pontificating.
Urf. Please don’t cite Lott. He was always the trailing spouse and so many people were fooled by the institutions he could claim. His work is shit.
If you don’t like Lott, check out Dave Kopel.
It means we’re all psychopaths, of course
/ProgDerp
Conservatives are liberals who got mugged by reality, and libertarians are conservatives who got philosophical about it?
…and are autistic.
https://twitter.com/DaPholosopher/status/980808682924634114
She is posting one a day.
Awesome, I will be following that.
Also, I don’t know who’s paying her to be the new face of the movement, but whoever you are – damn fine selection.
Discipline your trigger.
https://brokenlizard.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/hot-girls-with-gun-8.jpg
Premature discharge.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7AxiSAIKiJc/UbNipTAKWvI/AAAAAAAAIjY/LtkqnYadkE0/s1600/hot+girl+with+gun+images.jpg
Control your muzzle.
https://littledixiedynamite.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/hot_sexy_girls_guns_nude_21.jpg
Stick ’em up.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gXZh_SsvAjc/T0JwJelJIVI/AAAAAAAAAN8/gD5fYqNW8FI/s1600/girls_with_guns7.jpg
Size does matter, and she likes ’em big.
https://brokenlizard.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/hot-girls-with-gun-9.jpg?w=470
Unholster your weapon.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9mJds4xwqsU/TOGOx_Li-eI/AAAAAAAAGtI/GAtwc8o3I_Y/s640/Hot+Babes+with+Guns11.jpg
There’s a gun in that picture? Who knew?
Right now I’m a bit light in the arsenal. Sold a few off to pay some bills, so right now it’s an EAA Witness compact 9mm for carry, a Taurus .38 Special revolver bedside, our trusty Remington 870 for home defense, and a Marlin Model 60 .22 for plinking. I’ve long wanted an M1A, but they ain’t cheap. There are a few classic infantry rifles I wouldn’t mind scooping up cheap if the opportunity ever presented itself – a Gewehr 98, Springfield 1903, Lee-Enfield, maybe one of the .30-40 Krags.
Remington 870 for home defense
I’m in the market for a shotgun for home defense. Which is better for someone on a tight budget, Mossburg or Remmington?
I have a winchester I paid about 300 for.
As far as successful self defense without ever firing a shot-
Even the dumbest criminal still has a self-preservation instinct and will typically back down when looking at the business end of a gun. John Lott Jr. has done rigorous research on this and he estimates in the millions of incidents per year.
The only reason I can conceive of for filing a report is if you think the other person (indicating s/he is known to you) is likely to file some sort of brandishing/threatening charge, in which case you’d want to get your side of the story on the record, preferably first. Otherwise, it’s something along the lines of
And they all lived happily ever after.
Hmmmmm
Police say that the driver of a SUV carrying a family with several adopted children may have intentionally plunged off a cliff along California’s scenic coast last month, according to local news reports.
The family from Woodland, Wash. — Sarah and Jennifer Hart, who were married, and at least three of the couple’s six adopted children — was in the vehicle on California’s scenic Highway 1 near the city of Westport when it accelerated rapidly off the cliff and fell 100 feet to the rocky shore.
Believe it or not, this proves exactly nothing about gay marriage, adoption, interracial adoption, or any interrelationships among those phenomena. But I cannot help thinking there are people saddling their hobby horses and preparing to ride into battle. On both teams
Lemme guess:
This just proves we need common-sense SUV control? Nobody needs a third row seat? These high-capacity families are just too dangerous for the children?
It was clearly the hateful, homophobic environment in Trump’s America™ that caused them to do this.
To Battle!
Well, since they took their kids to Bernie Sanders rallies, clearly they were horrible parents.
The deterrence factor is something they don’t care to understand.
I want to get one and someone on here posted what I would have to do to get one legally where I live, and when one of those steps was something like “go to your local police station and…..” I pretty much stopped right there.
My soccer dad friend insists that it’s too easy to get a gun, so I said to him one day – ok let’s go get me one. Still waiting.
They still think you can just order a gun off the Internet or take one through the self-checkout at Wal-Mart. All they know is that Obama said it’s easier to get a gun than a book in some parts of the country.
I just went online and found a place in jersey. I selected a gun but strangely there’s no add to cart button, so I guess the Internet loophole thingy is broke
They’re referring to the “gun show loophole”, which is that sales between two individuals don’t require a background check by federal law. They do in some states, however. In Maryland, it’s illegal to do a private transfer of a handgun or a scary-looking rifle without doing it through an FFL dealer. I’m pretty sure that immediate family are exempt, but like if I wanted to buy my friend’s Sig we’d have to go to a dealer to finalize the transaction.
And yeah, you can go to Wal-Mart and buy a Remington 870 off the rack following a quick electronic background check. Basically, they run your info through NICS and see if you have a warrant or your a felon or whatever. To buy a handgun you need to get a license, and the license process begins with being fingerprinted at an approved dealer or the local state police barracks, going through a longer background check, and then taking a certified safety course.
They’re referring to the “gun show loophole”, which is that sales between two individuals don’t require a background check by federal law.
To shortcut their next argument, I’ve exploited the gunshow loophole N-2 times (where N is the number of guns I own). Every single time, they carded me to make sure I was a TX citizen. The only time I wasn’t carded prior to buying a gun was when my FIL went full ZARDOZ and gave the gift of the gun.
The “loophole” is symbolic to me of the dishonesty and malevolence of the anti-gun side. It isn’t a “loophole”, it’s the law as written and intended. But that doesn’t stop otherwise-intelligent and skeptical people from just accepting that characterization on face value, along with a host of other untruths about guns and gun owners, because on an emotional level they _know_ that guns are bad and by extension people who own them are bad people. And people who know damn well what the law says will nevertheless refer to “loopholes” because they want to disarm the hoi polloi so that only right thinking people who agree with them in the government have guns, just in case those stupid rednecks need to be put down. They have no qualms telling flat-out lies if it will further their agenda.
I used to be willing to have civil discussions about gun control with people on the other side, but they’ve proven time and again to not be interested, Now I just don’t talk about it, and if it gets brought up I state my position and mince no words.
OT — Cops confront Domino’s employee over undelivered pizza, get suspended
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2018/03/29/cops-assault-dominos-employees-over-undelivered-pizza.html
Did they get home safely?
Not only did they make it home safely, but after missing their meal, they were actually able to pass the physical qualifications of their jobs again. It’s amazing how resilient our heroes in blue are in the face of such horrible adversity!
Dimpus Burger Guy: Uhh, right. Beverage?
Farva: Gimme a litre o’ cola.
Dimpus Burger Guy: What?
Farva: [Annoyed] A litre o’ cola.
Dimpus Burger Guy: [into mic] Litrecola? Do we sell litrecola?
Thorny: Will you just order a large, Farva?
Farva: I don’t want a large farva. I want a goddamn litre o’ cola!
Dimpus Burger Guy: [to Farva] I don’t know what that is!
Farva: [slowly starts shouting] Litre is French for…
[grabs burger kid by shirt]
Farva: … give me my fuckin’ cola before I break VOUS FUCKIN’ LIP!
“This look like spit to you?”
“Ah, I don’t know, Farva.”
“Ah, fuckit” *takes bite*
Suthen, I understand where you’re coming from.
A bunch of years ago, my wife had to take a bus home. It was a blazing hot day, so she took along a glass of ice water (lousy air conditioning on the bus). She’d walked about four blocks when she heard someone say, “Hey!”, looked around and saw a guy tastefully attired in tennis shoes, sunglasses and his birthday suit reaching for her.
My lady doesn’t scare easily. She threw the glass of ice water where it’d do the most good and while the asshole recovered, she reached into her purse, drew the four-inch knife she carried and swiped it at his face. She missed his nose by a hair. He ran for his car and took off, nearly sideswiping two other vehicles. She’s better armed these days.
I thank everyone for the compliments and especially the founders of Glibs for giving me an opportunity to contribute to the gun control debate.
Oh, and if Dave Hogg is reading this, go fuck yourself. You cant have my guns.
That kid is repugnant.
I refer to him as Gauleiter Hogg. Per Merriam-Webster:
Sorry so late to the party (@Rufus: yes, some of us work) but this required a check-in.
Super story and love the fire extinguisher analogy. I’m a recovering Democrat in MD so it’s been a project of mine to learn more about guns. Sort of like guilt and being a recovering Catholic… Anyway, the GF is looking to purchase, train, and obtain CC permit. I support this move. But, still, for the house, I’m starting down the path of something simple for home defense and thought a shotgun would be the right tool and easier to purchase, maintain, and train with. Thoughts?
One of these?
Shotguns are legit home defense weapons. My thoughts:
Get a short barrel – long barrels are for wingshooting and will get in your way indoors. You won’t need any extra range you can get from longer barrels, either.
Get a 12 gauge if you (and your GF) can handle the recoil. If not, get a 20.
Personally, I like autoloaders. My Remington 1100s have had thousands of shells put through them of all kinds (skeet, duck, turkey, and slugs), and have failed to cycle once (due to my crappy reassembly after cleaning). In a stressful situation, I think my autoloader is less likely to botch a cycle than I am, working a pump action. Opinions vary.
Think about putting some kind of EZ red-dot sight on it. The shot pattern isn’t going to open up much at indoor/self-dense ranges – you can definitely miss. Red dot sights will help you get on target very easily. I’d also make sure you pull the “bird plug” that limits the magazine to 3 shells, and even look into getting a magazine extender so you can get up to 8 shells in the tube.
If your gonna do other things with it, I’d recommend something like my Mossberg 500.
Easy to interchange barrels, I’ve got an 18″ mod choke for home def, a 28″ with screw in chokes for skeet and birds, and a 24″ rifled for shooting deer.
Practice with the pump, and shooting it gets real easy. Only complaint is shooting slugs hurts… About 3 rounds at the range and I’m ready to call it quits.
Been eyeing some aftermarket recoil stocks.
I have 2 shotguns, one for defense and one for offending those who love birds. I priced out having a single gun for both defense and hunting, and it was cheaper to buy 2 guns. I have a police issue mossberg 590 (an upgraded version of the 500) sitting in the bedroom closet for when things go bump in the night. I also have a Remington 870 that has killed many a pigeon (long story… Fucking dove lease!)
Those two guns (the mossberg 500 and the Remington 870) are the standard consumer grade pump shotguns. They’re the Ford F150 and Chevy Silverado of shotguns.
I’m a shotgun guy myself. I have a Remington 870, which is a venerable, time tested pump-action. There are millions of them out there so you can find them pretty cheap used. I think I paid about 300 bucks for mine. A 12 gauge might be a bit too much for your girlfriend, though. Some women feel more comfortable shooting a 20 gauge.
Personally, I’m starting to think about getting one of these for the home.
Shotgun’s a great choice, and as RC notes, you need a short barrel for manoeverability, with an appropriate load. If you’re new to this, make sure you practice (practice practice), and if at all possible, try out different firearm options.
It’s also worth finding out what the home defense ‘rules’ are in your state. I live in a ‘Duty to Retreat’ state (which is the same as MD) which means that you need a very good reason to be roaming around your home, clearing out burglars. This means that your safest legal defense if you’re involved in a DGU, is to retreat to your bedroom, kick the door closed and yelling that if they come thru’ that door, you’re gonna be sending them to the morgue, WHILE racking the shotgun as loud as you can. This impacts what your choice might be.
Obviously, if you have kids in other rooms, you have the means and the right to defend them, but “putting the trash out” isn’t something you can expect to do and avoid a lot of trouble from the cops.
Reviews I’ve read is that they’re nasty to shoot unless you fire the shorty shells, which still work fine for home defense.
Duty to retreat is such a disgusting concept. The idea that someone in their own home is somehow obligated to accord an intruder the right to roam about freely is ludicrous.
If you don’t want me to shoot you, don’t break into my house. It’s very simple.
Agreed. I live in MD. My plan is to grab the roscoe, tell the wife to call the police, and swear that in the darkness I thought I saw the intruder reaching for his waistband. For that matter, if I hear someone breaking in I’m giving them one chance to leave before I shoot. I’ll take my chances in court.
Well, getting the story straight is the key.
Again, this isn’t legal advice, but if by some chance, when you’re alerted at 2AM that someone just got in the house, have a reason why your wife is in another location in the house. Barricading yourself in the bedroom isn’t an option, because she’d be excluded from the retreat. If you have kids, again, retreat to a single room is not an option.
And then, it’s beneficial if the perp isn’t able to give evidence in the subsequent investigation.
In the home? cylinder bore shotgun, short barrel, #4 buck. Everything everyone else is saying is true. I use a pump instead of an auto but there are good autos out there. Pay special attention to Dean’s advice on 12 vs 20 gauge.
I just picked up a Mossberg Shockwave in 20ga. Small and easy to handle in 20. Alternated buckshot and slugs in the magazine. Also a S&W 686+ loaded with .357 Speer Gold Dot hollow points in the nightstand. No safeties to deal with in the dead of night, just point and apply.
I carry a gun for the same reason I carry a condom, I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Also, interesting story.
I am keeping my guns. It just isn’t up for discussion.
Correct. This is a non-starter with me. I have a right to self defense, defense pf my property and the means to do so. This means I have a right to own modern technology weapons. End of story.
Relevant
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Also P365. Just buy one.
Sadly, I lost all of my firearms in a boating accident.
Way behind on site reading, but I wanted to thank you, Suthen, for the excellent article just in case you pop back in.