An Artisanal Hawai’ian Style Deep Dish Pizza

 

Pizza is widely understood to have originated on the Italian peninsula over 1000 years ago according to Wikipedia. A lot time elapsed until the 1940s when American GIs went to Europe during World War II and brought back home with them a taste for pizza. In more modern times, pizza has exploded onto the world food scene, both as a go-to fast snack to be enjoyed when time is of the essence, as well as having gained acceptance as highly regarded haute cuisine.

In the last 70 years or so, considerable innovation has occurred in pizza technology. This article will focus specifically on a treasured pizza style: deep dish pizza of the Hawai’ian type. Deep dish pizza is made by means of baking pizza in a deep pan, and is thought to have originated in Chicago around the middle of the 20th century. The famous Pizzeria Uno claims to have produced the first. Deep dish pizza consists of an inverted topping layer scheme: cheese, then protein and vegetable ingredients, then the tomato sauce, and finally a dusting of some sort of a pulverized cheese product. In this article, we will take it to the next level by laying out the optimal process for you to create a perfect artisanal, Hawai’ian-style, deep dish pizza.

The crust

It is important that, in order to make the highest quality, artisanal pizza, one must start with the finest ingredients. The pizza dough is no exception. If you do not feel up to the task of making your own high quality pizza dough, you can just skip this section and buy an acceptable pre-made dough. I would recommend the pre-made dough sold by Whole Foods Market, or alternatively, any dough sold by your local trattoria – just ensure that you confirm they use non-GMO flour.

•Approximately 2 US cups (450 ml) of Vermont’s finest King Arthur low gluten, unbleached white flour
•Approximately 1 cup (225 ml) of distilled water, Ty Nant mineral water, or other reputable water brand
•1 heaping tablespoon (15 ml) of Bob’s Red Mill, gluten free, active dry yeast
•1 heaping tablespoon (15 ml) of Wholesome Sweetener’s Malawian Fair Trade Natural cane sugar
•Approximately 1 teaspoon (5 ml) of pink Himalayan salt, Fair Trade and Conflict-Free preferable
•1 bottle of high quality imported extra virgin olive oil (EVOO) – I prefer Fair Trade EVOO from Tunisia, and always avoid oils that include trans-fats

Warm the water, because it will speed the activation of your yeast, and you will therefore not have to wait days or even weeks for the dough to rise. To warm the water, I would recommend using an electric kettle because electricity is clean power, but make sure you stop warming the water once it gets to a temperature of about 120F/50C. You need to do this to ensure that the yeast is not killed due to excessive temperature, as yeast is a living microorganism. Mix the warm water, the yeast, and sugar in a large mixing bowl until the sugar is completely dissolved. Let the yeast activate for about 10 minutes so as to reduce its toxin content. You will know that it’s time to move on to the next step if the liquid mixture develops a frothy head about fingernail-deep. Add to the liquid mixture a couple glugs of the olive oil, and the salt. Next, gradually stir in the flour until the mixture begins to form a viscous paste and gradually transforms into a ball of dough. Continue to add small amounts of flour and work the mixture with your hands, being careful not to add too much flour. Cease the addition of flour once the dough becomes only a little bit tacky. Knead the dough for about 10 minutes. I like to throw that shit down into the bottom of the bowl and spank the dough. If the dough starts to stick to your fingers whilst kneading, simply dust your hands with a bit of flour, and continue. The purpose of all of this kneading is to begin to further break down the gluten – don’t worry – this process will also continue during fermentation as your dough is made to sit and rise. When the kneading has gone on long enough that the dough isn’t that tacky, form the dough into a ball, and cover with a thin layer of EVOO. Let the dough sit at room temperature covered with a towel. I suggest that you allow it to double in volume, about 1 hour at room temperature, punch it down/kneed a bit more, and let rise again for another hour as it ferments. As the dough sits for an extended period of time, the yeast digests, releasing gas by-products within the dough, resulting in a crust that is fluffy and not so dense.

Preheat your oven to 425F (or gas setting 7).

Take your baking pan – in this case I have chosen a Williams-Sonoma lodge cast iron skillet for a more rustic taste – and coat the baking pan with a liberal application of EVOO. If you are on a tighter budget, simply stop off at a Dollar General store (mind the smell – have a handkerchief on hand) and buy a steel baking pan for single use and ask your handyman to recycle it for you after you’re done. The quantity of oil used here is important. It will ensure that the crust becomes crispy, and at the same time, quite buttery and similar in consistency to First Nations Aboriginal People’s fry bread of the American Four Corners region. By using this amount of olive oil, it is ensured that the crust will effectively be fried during the baking process.

Extract the wad of dough from the bowl, deposit into the middle of the baking pan, and work the dough outward so that it forms raised edges thusly:

Bake the crust alone for about 15 minutes, when it has begun to develop its first signs of golden brown as illustrated below, not unlike the look of pre-burnt, naan. As the crust is still partially raw at this stage, it is therefore pliable and ready to accept the toppings.

The toppings

Now, as this is the recipe for Hawai’ian style deep dish pizza, it must include the two staple ingredients: cured pork product (typically Canadian bacon) and pineapple. As everybody knows that the Polynesian races prefer to pair pork with tropical fruits for all of their meals, it is but a natural and a culturally sensitive choice that this pizza – Canada’s finest gift to the world – includes these toppings.

For the bottom layer, I have elected to use slices of Mozzarella di Bufala, derived from grass-fed, hand-drawn, free range milk. Press the cheese slices into the crust so that a deeper cavitation is created in the partially inflated crust – more room for toppings!

For the pineapple, I was able to obtain a rare pre-war, aged tin of pineapple chunks off from an Etsy seller, for its novelty factor. But it is equally acceptable (and even exciting) to use fresh cut pineapple slices. Just make sure that your pineapple is from non-GMO trees. Ensure that you drain off and sufficiently dry out the pineapple using unbleached, single source, fair trade, high thread count Egyptian cotton cheesecloth. I reserved the juice from my aged pineapple chunks for later use in a drink with cachaça, Angostura bitters and macerated mint leaves.

In terms of cured pork, here is the selection of toppings that I have chosen for this recipe:

•Enough slices of jamón ibérico to cover the bottom of a 14 inch diameter (about 3.5 decimeters) deep metal pan – I obtained slices at the cost of US$80/lb (don’t balk, the quantity you need is small, so this won’t break the bank!) Because this meat product originates from Europe, it is by definition 100% natural and organic.

•Applewood smoked bacon – cooked until strips are crispy and wick away excess pork fat with 100% post-consumer recycled paper towels. Discard the rendered fat. Do not undercook the bacon until merely chewy, as the British race is wont to prefer. The applewood smoke is a conscious choice, as apple has a natural synergy with pork. My local butcher sells me gluten-free cuts from free range, locally sourced animals.

•Free range ham steak – only choose locally sourced ham steak from swine that are massaged twice daily. Cut away the bone and trim away the fat, as you do not want the fat to render on your pizza and make it too greasy. Just throw the trimmings into your compost bin or allow your Salvadorian housekeeper to take them home in lieu of a good performance bonus. Note that I have deviated from the conventional rectangular slices of Canadian bacon, and opted instead to cut the ham steak on the bias to produce attractive parallelogram and diamond shapes which also enhance the flavour and mouth feel.

Proceed to layer the toppings.

We’re almost at the end! For my sauce, I slow cooked sun-ripened, non-GMO, organic San Marzano tomatoes along with pulverised fresh garlic clove and fresh chopped basil from my window sill terrarium, a pea-sized amount of anchovy paste to enhance umami, freshly ground Indonesian Fair Trade black pepper from Aceh, a splash of Amarone for sweetness and body, love, and just a kiss of organic smoked Oaxacan red chili flakes. Ensure that you produce a thick sauce and boil off much of the water, otherwise the end result will be ham, pineapple, and tomato soup in a bread bowl! Deposit the tomato sauce to cover all of the other toppings.

Lastly, before baking, you will want to use Parmagiano-Reggiano from Parma to liberally dust over the top of the pizza, along with a handsome amount of all natural Bottarga of your choice for additional umami.

Place the pizza into the oven to bake for another 35-40 minutes, or as needed to yield a beautiful golden brown deep dish crust.

Buon appetito!

Comments

361 responses to “An Artisanal Hawai’ian Style Deep Dish Pizza”

  1. Holger-da-Dane

    Excellent trolling.

    1. Especially with the order of events wrong in the history section.

      1. Holger-da-Dane

        Yes, this piece hits the commentariat’s collective OCD in many a way.

    2. westernsloper

      Indeed excellent trolling. Especially the need to knead the dough a long time to break down the gluten in low gluten flower. I was honestly triggered. The only thing missing is some Pomp artwork of a brazier clad Chuck Schumer handing a slice to a nipple tassel and thong wearing Donald Trump.

      1. AlexinCT

        WOAH!

      2. Holger-da-Dane

        OMG I came across this idiotic idea just yesterday, that you can somehow magically massage gluten out of nothing. Do these people have the Philosopher’s Gluten Stone, or what?

        1. Get the fuck out of here. This is actually a real thing?

          1. Holger-da-Dane

            I was watching some food vids on youtube, and one person mentioned this, and I thought “WTF??”

            So apparently it’s a thing?

        2. Bobarian LMD

          OMG I came

          That is how you do phrasing!

    3. WTF

      Jesus, yes, he actually had me going for a minute until I got a little further into the article.

    4. R C Dean

      Agreed. Although the precious “woke” spelling of Hawaiian in the title was, in retrospect, a clew.

  2. Just Say’n

    Prosciutto that comes from any country other than Italy is just imported ham. And paying $80 a pound for any prosciutto makes my eye twitch with rage (you go to any Italian store in an ethnic ghetto and you can get Prosciutto de Parma for $11 a pound)

    Other than that, the pizza looks good and the ingredients are spelled out well. Well done, Pompey.

    On a Fonzie scale of “one to Ayeeeeee”, I give this an ‘ayeeeeeee’

    1. Holger-da-Dane

      You just called this “pizza”. Hopefully you’re OK with having started World War Glib.

      1. Just Say’n

        I am always complimentary to the writer. They put effort into providing us something to read and comment about.

        1. Holger-da-Dane

          And you’re polite too. Just asking for trouble around here I see..

      2. Holger-da-Dane

        Rick C-137 should work this plot line into his stories.

      3. “World War G”

        Definitely a Hard NC-17 rating.

        I recon’ as long as I have SugarFree and Warty on my side, I am safe, mentally and physically…oh, and SP…cannot ignore the cyber front!

        1. peachy rex

          Safe from your *enemies*, perhaps…

          I wonder if STEVE SMITH does USO tours?

          1. STEVE SMITH UNITE EVERYONE…IN RAPE!

        2. Gadfly

          “World War G”

          Definitely a Hard NC-17 rating.

          Excerpt from a reviewer: “It was your typical PG-13 summer action blockbuster until half-way through it inexplicably segued into a punch-and-judy show with a hat and a hairy creature that somehow descended into a hard-core bondage orgy including Trump and Clinton lookalikes. It was as if some malevolent spirit had hijacked the script to inflict its pain upon the world. And yet, it was so artfully done I could not look away. After this half-hour lovecraftian intermission the plot of the film resumed as if nothing had happened, as if it had all been but a nightmare. I left the cinema a hollow man.”

      4. Bobarian LMD

        On a Fonzie scale of “one to Ayeeeeee”, I give this an ‘ayeeeeeee’

        I believe he called it the Nick Gillespie of pizza.

    2. Prosciutto that comes from any country other than Italy is just imported ham.

      Is there some checmical in the air that can’t be added elsewhere? If the process is the same and produces the same results, how would you know?

      Now of course being one prone to cooking casseroles and calling them pizza I’m shocked that you have any strong opinions about a geographic moniker.

      1. Holger-da-Dane

        +1 Cham-PAG-nee

      2. Just Say’n

        Are you looking for a fight, UnCivil? If so, you’ve found it

        1. *gives a look of nonplussed distain*

          1. Just Say’n

            *Notices UnCivil can’t spell ‘disdain’. Shrugs, realizing that UnCivil’s spelling is as good as his choices in pizza*

          2. speling is for litle peepl

          3. MikeS

            I just assumed he was calling you a diaper stain.

          4. Just Say’n

            I’ll fight you too, Mike. I’ll fight you all!

      3. AlexinCT

        Drink Champagne from Champagne in France, and then drink the horrible shit some others pretend is champagne (try that swill from NY for example) and you might know the difference. How those pigs are fed and brought up so they can then smoke that ham is going to make the product be different if not done right.

        E va fare un culo!

        1. Wine, carbonated or flat, is not drinkable.

          1. Just Say’n

            My God, could your taste buds get any worse?

          2. Mine work. You are clearly forcing yourself to choke down stuff you hate because you think you shouldn’t.

          3. Just Say’n

            I have to be in NYC in April for work. Meet me in Time Square. I challenge you to a dual.

          4. Just Say’n

            “Duel”.

            My rage has impacted by spelling

          5. Dual 3 core Celeron overclocked

          6. I figured you were mocking UCS for his spelling, which is why you also called it Time Square.

          7. Hmmm. Now I have to see if SP will ban him outright, or OMWC will catbutt him.

          8. Raven Nation

            OT: controversy in RWC qualifying: http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/43458625

            Short version: Spain (ranked #19) were expected to easily defeat Belgium (#25) and qualify for their first world cup, forcing Romania through a playoff series to qualify. However, Spain were shocked by Belgium losing 18-10 in the game refereed by a Romanian. Rugby Europe said: “Referees’ appointments for the Rugby Europe Championship have been made ahead of the competition by an independent and neutral skilled committee.”

            World Rugby is going to investigate.

            It just seems stupidity to appoint a ref with even the potential of bias.

          9. Exactly… that is a FAIL on the face of it.

        2. R C Dean

          Alex, I did not realize until I read your comment that Champagne is made from pigs.

          Not only that, if the pig farmers in Champagne really have trained their pigs to smoke ham, then I can see how a regional difference might be pretty serious.

          1. AlexinCT

            Champagne is made by frogs.

        3. Rufus the Monocled

          lol.

  3. Not Adahn

    a 14 inch diameter (about 3.5 decimeters) deep metal pan

    That’s not a pan, that’s a bucket.

    1. But Enough About Me

      If it’s even vaguely related to Italian cuisine, I’ll eat it by the bucket. As my spousal unit and my waistline will attest to.

  4. Sean

    I was able to obtain a rare pre-war, aged tin of pineapple chunks off from an Etsy seller

    Which war?

    1. But Enough About Me

      The First Glibertarian Civil War, fought solely over the question of whether or not deep-dish can also be called “pizza.”

      It was fought to a draw, with honourable casualties on both sides. (I watched from the sidelines with wineglass in hand.)

      1. No, the war of Austrian Succession.

        1. But Enough About Me

          Ah. The lead solder they used to seal the can adds a certain special je ne sais quoi to the dish, I s’pose.

          1. There’s a reason Romans used lead as a seasoning to their foods.

            (I don’t even have to make that up)

          2. Jarflax

            Lead is too sweet unless you cut it with a bit of antimony.

          3. But Enough About Me

            You really do have to wonder how the Hell those folks managed to build an empire.

          4. Spartacus

            Slaves. Lots of slaves.

          5. Number.6

            Slaves on a calorie-restricted diet, where sweeteners were a luxury.

  5. But Enough About Me

    This entire article gives me a raging food boner.

  6. I would actually eat this pizza. I haven’t given Hawaiin a shot since that one time in grade school, but this looks damn magnificent.

    1. If you ever make it, take extra care to moderate the salt content of your sauce. The cured pork will provide what you need.

      1. I believe it! That’s good advice. I once made a crock pot ham and bean soup… Salted the beans prior to adding the smoked ham shoulder. Rookie mistake.

      2. Rufus the Monocled

        Yeh, always keep that in mind.

  7. AlmightyJB

    Your pineapple casserole is worse than Hitler.

    1. But Enough About Me

      Well, now I gotta eat it.

    2. Muahahahahaaaaa!

    3. *is instantly attracted to the idea of making one*

      DO YOU EVEN LIBERTARIAN, BRAH?

    4. Rufus the Monocled

      You mean worse than Trump. Trump is more Hitler than Hitler himself now.

  8. But Enough About Me

    I’m also fascinated by what looks like a bottle of dried bottarga. I wasn’t even aware you could get it dried — I have to pay stupid sums of money for the stuff, refrigerated, from the one decent Italian store in the Lower Mainland (Cioffi’s in The Heights on Hastings).

    1. But Enough About Me

      And now I’ve ordered some off of Amazon.ca. Who knew?

  9. Yusef drives a Kia

    I Love it! would with Authoritaaa!

  10. SP

    There will be no war, civil or otherwise, because I am just going to nuke the site. I can’t believe you people took advantage of my mercy trip to Del Boca Vista to try to slip this onto the site unnoticed.

    I am beyond disappointed with all of you, especially Pomp and the editorial staff. I shall darken the door of this once hallowed website no more.

    The Glibocalypse will begin momentarily.

    1. Just Say’n

      (insert Ron Paul ‘It’s Happening’ Meme)

      1. Just Say’n

        YESSSSSSSSSS!

    2. RAGNAROK IS UPON US!

    3. Sean

      *waves bye to all*

    4. I even ate the entire pizza, SP. Ate the whole thing.

      1. Playa Manhattan

        Is that why you have to periodically fast?

        1. I didn’t say I ate it in one sitting. I’m not a savage after all.

          1. Holger-da-Dane

            No, you’re no savage. Just weak 😀

    5. Dr. Fronkensteen

      It’s the end of the world as we know it. And I feel fine.

      1. Dr. Fronkensteen

        Oh, the Humanity!!

      2. Gustave Lytton

        Amazing how quickly that airship burned up.

        https://youtu.be/CgWHbpMVQ1U

    6. Scruffy Nerfherder

      *grabs ankles, kisses ass goodbye*

    7. SP dealing with the site…

      1. Gustave Lytton

        “SP LOAD LETTER”

        1. Playa Manhattan

          Needs more pieces of flair.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            87 pieces is a minimum. Why are you only doing the minimum?

  11. MikeS

    Someone check on SP. She must be incapacitated.

    1. MikeS

      …or not

  12. Just Say’n

    ‘Libertarians’ who enjoy pineapple pizza are worse than Nick Gillespie. I said what everyone was thinking

    1. MikeS

      Agreed. Pomp’s article was excellent. The subject matter however… *shudders*

    2. Bob Boberson

      So are you saying ‘libertarians who like pinapple pizza are the Nick Gillespie’s of pizza enjoyers’? Or are you saying pineapple pizza enjoyers = Will Wilkinson?

      1. WTF

        Pineapple pizza is the Nick Gillespie of pizza.

  13. Tundra

    Pompey, this just rocketed to my top five favorite articles on this site. 10/10.

    Oh, and would.

    1. MikeS

      Tundra; the Nick Gillepsie of Glib literary critics.

      1. Just Say’n

        Maybe not quite Nick Gillespie, but definitely within the category of “Newly Woke” Matt Welch

      2. Playa Manhattan

        Sorry Marge, I’m afraid this gets my lowest rating ever. Seven thumbs up.

    2. KibbledKristen

      Make sure to cool the pizza down before sticking your bits into it, though.

      1. Tundra

        Rock-solid advice!

      2. AlexinCT

        WTF? Is there another American Pie movie where the apple pie was replaced with a deep dish pizza?

        1. Holger-da-Dane

          Two words: Pizza burn.

    3. R C Dean

      Oh, and would.

      Make sure it cools off. Wouldn’t want that hot-melted-cheese burn on . . . anything.

      1. R C Dean

        Dammit, KK beat me to the joke.

      2. KibbledKristen

        *severely narrows gaze*

      3. MikeS

        In fairness, she did only post it a half hour ago. Not really your fault for missing it.

  14. The Other Kevin

    To add an entirely new level to this controversy, on several occasions I’ve made a similar pizza using Dole canned pineapple and Betty Crocker pizza crust mix from a pouch.

    1. Holger-da-Dane

      People complain about the lack of edit buttons. What we really need is an ignore button.

      1. trshmnstr

        I have most the core code for such a button written into Monocle. It’s not functional yet, but I’ll put a few hours into it next time Mrs trshmnstr goes to visit her family for a week.

        1. R C Dean

          An edit button, or an ignore button?

          1. trshmnstr

            Ignore. I can’t do an edit button from Monocle because it executes on your browser rather than on the Glibs server.

          2. MikeS

            I can’t do an edit button

            Good. We don’t need one.

    2. MikeS

      Hmmm, interesting strategy. If you remove all flavor from it, is it still a Hawai’ian pizza?

    3. The Other Kevin

      Plenty of flavor. Instead of ham we use my home made Italian sausage, which more than compensates for the other ingredients.

  15. Needz moar avocado.

    1. I figured you’d say it needs more boobs.

  16. Question: If I’m to try my hand at cannibalism, how do I go about finding fresh, non-GMO, free range, artisanal human meat? Is there some shop that will only use locally sourced product, or do I need to just go out and hunt it myself?

    Maybe ZARDOZ should field this one.

    1. Bob Boberson

      it only stands to reason that you’d want humans whom had been fed on all-natural, non-GMO, free range, vegetarian or better yet vegan diets. I think your best hunting grounds would be upper class white coastal cities and university campuses.

    2. But Enough About Me

      ZARDOZ does not eat what he kills. Sportsmen everywhere have disowned HIM.

    3. The Last American Hero

      Why would you want to harm Gwenneth Paltrow or Sheryl Crow?

      1. I think a more appropriate question is why wouldn’t you want to harm them.

        1. mexican sharpshooter

          About 15 years ago I could think of a reason. Now……?

          *shrugs*

    4. wdalasio

      Maybe we could try starting off with these jerk-offs.

      1. Bob Boberson

        SMHD….I had a few coworkers watch the “What the Health” documentary and start showing up with meatless lunch

        Coworkers: meat is worse for you than smoking you guyz.’

        Me: “you know that’s all lies based on pseudoscience, right?

        Coworkers: Blank bovine stares of incredulity….”It was a documentary so it has to be true.”

        1. I’m surprised they didn’t just call you a Nazi.

          1. Bob Boberson

            They aren’t woke…..just rubes who like being told what to think.

        2. Playa Manhattan

          If I made a parody, I couldn’t do any better.

          I’m supposed to take life advice from Steve-O? Ummm…. no

          1. Bob Boberson

            And every single “fact” and statistic presented is disputable. There have been sever debunking articles written but I like this one:

            https://robbwolf.com/2017/07/03/what-the-health-a-wolfs-eye-review/

            I think I read that he is working on a book that refutes the “Veganism is better for Gaia” crap that I eagerly look forward to reading

      2. Holger-da-Dane

        I was going through food documentaries on Amazon yesterday, and there were both “keto will save your life” and “plant based diets are the only true solution” type pieces.

        Guess which trailers put front and center that they were working with legislators and governments in order to force their choices upon the rest of the world?

        1. wdalasio

          When you dig just a little bit under the hood on the plant people, you quickly begin to see that it’s all about forcing other people. Their big arguments revolve around water consumption.

          1. Holger-da-Dane

            Humans are omnivores, but could it be that some of us are closer to carnivores, while others are closer to herbivores? Carnivores tend to live alone or in small groups and don’t really care what goes on around the, while herbivores only have strength in numbers.

            This could be the basis for a whole new political philosophy 😀

          2. AlexinCT

            Humans are omnivores”

            Every time some moron tells em we are supposed to be vegetarians I point out the composition of our teeth. Our back teeth are to grind plants, and the front ones to tear meat. That makes us omnivorous entities. Choosing to eat only plants is a choice based on ignorance of basic and general human biology IMO.

          3. A Leap at the Wheel

            Its also a choice based on religious ideology

            Ellen White lived from 1827 until 1915. She was one of the founders and the main leader of the at that time so-called Adventist movement. Her influence on the founding of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and its early steps was crucial. She wrote a large number of books, and, according to the Seventh-day Adventist church, she is the most translated woman in history. Her writings on theology and lifestyle are available all over the world in several languages.

            White claimed to receive ‘visions from God’. Even though she rejected being regarded as a prophet, she said of herself that she was a ‘lesser light’ pointing to ‘the greater light’ (White 1999), the Bible, meaning that the community of believers could find in her guidance for the study and understanding of the Bible. Her writings on health, considered by the Adventists equally inspired by God as those on beliefs, gave Adventists a set of rules and advice on dietary habits among other health-related recommendations.

            It is a common fact that the birth of new religious movements comes with new scriptures. As Graham pointed out, this is a question of legitimacy: it was necessary for religious movements to have scriptures (Graham 1993:52). The elevation of White’s writings to ‘scriptures’ is an action performed by the religious community. In other words, the sacrality of a book or a set of writings depends on the response of a group of people to it (Graham 1993:5). The power of her writings rests on the fact that Adventists take them as inspired by God. It is thus a relational phenomenon that puts White’s writings into the category of sacred among Adventists (Graham 1993:6). Because White’s writings are considered among Adventists as ‘divine knowledge or decrees’ (Graham 1993:50), conversations between Adventists tend to include expressions like ‘Ellen White says this or recommends that’ in an attempt to invest one’s own arguments with authority and authenticity.

            Graham as in the family that created the crackers. See also Kellog’s and Sanitarium

            Pre-war history is WEIRD.

    5. deepspeed

      Kuru Continuum.

      1. Prion diseases are my favorite.

  17. Hyperion

    Look, it’s a prog wet dream. They’re all in their bunks right now.

    Social Credits

  18. KibbledKristen

    Pompey is literally Hitler

  19. Just Say’n

    Pomp, please tell me you were lying about paying $80 for a pound of prosciutto that is from Spain. That’s just egregious

    1. PieInTheSKy

      I think quality jamon iberico de bellota is quite pricier than prosciutto.

      1. PieInTheSKy

        I liked this serious eats article back in the day especially the pig farm which i think looks cool, basically a oak forest

        https://www.seriouseats.com/2014/03/inside-the-secret-world-of-super-premium-spanish-jamon-iberico.html

    2. Urthona

      The pig was one of them talking ones.

      1. Long pork. See above.

    3. ::looks to the sky, puts hands in pockets, and strolls away whistling::

    4. Playa Manhattan

      I’m lucky enough to live about 20 minutes from the first distributer to get an import license for Iberico products.

      Their hams are outstanding, obviously. But often overlooked: their grill meats.

  20. PieInTheSKy

    would this be good with some ranch dressing on top? I am not 100% sure of your American customs …

    1. Urthona

      if it is indeed a food, then we can conclude it is good with Ranch dressing.

        1. Urthona

          New marketing idea: Soy Ranch.

          ‘Ranch dressing with even more salt and sugar!’

  21. Just Say’n

    https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/975439286714732544

    Balko is making Gillespie look like HL Mencken

    1. Balko has gone past the point of stupid to embarrassing.

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        Balko is still really, really good on the criminal justice front. I bought his new book. You should too.

        I unfollowed him like a month after the election because of shit like this, though. And it’s gotten worse since.

        1. Bob Boberson

          Title?

          1. Juvenile Bluster

            The Cadaver King and the Country Dentist. It’s about Stephen Hayne and Michael West, two names who should be familiar to most here and two people who should be sitting in prison for the rest of their lives.

          2. Bob Boberson

            Thanks! Added to audible que. Rise of the Warrior Cops was both terrifically researched and written. How he manages to come off as a complete idiot on the twatter is a mystery.

          3. A Leap at the Wheel

            Good to hear. Its next on my list after I finish Howl’s Moving Castle. I’ll give Balko all the slack in the world. His left turn was as predictable as it was disappointing, but the guy was instrumental in getting an innocent person off of death row.

        2. I’ll check it out. Good to know he hasn’t completely lost his mind.

        3. Just Say’n

          “Balko is still really, really good on the criminal justice front”

          Except when it comes to the FBI, which we all know are the most righteous of law enforcement.

        4. Gadfly

          Balko is still really, really good on the criminal justice front.

          So he’s an idiot savant?

    2. PieInTheSKy

      never go full retard

    3. Urthona

      I thought it was funny.

      1. PieInTheSKy

        a pickle would say that. Don’t make me get my salad shooter.

    4. Hyperion

      TDS is required to attend cocktail parties with all the cool kids.

    5. Again, I hate being put in a position where I’m defending Donald Trump. I feel like my kindergarten teacher who used to give the class one minute at the start of the day to open and close the Velcro on our shoes repeatedly so as to get it out of our system. Everybody who wants to make a dumb joke about Trump because they find him distasteful but don’t have a specific policy they can criticize should take about five minutes to just scream out about how big a doodoo head he is, and then we’ll just all assume you still feel that way tomorrow and the day after, and you won’t have to tell us all about it yet again.

      1. Just Say’n

        ^ THIS

        I have no problem with a criticism of Trump on policy, even the policies that I agree with, because then we are at least talking about reality. Russia fever dreams though are a sign of a mental deficient partisan who is out of ideas

  22. EvilSheldon

    Good Hawaiian pizza is awesome. Especially with a drizzle of Mae Ploy sweet hot chili sauce on top. Aw yas…

    Thin crust, though. I’m not a pervert.

  23. DOOMco

    10/10

  24. DOOMco

    I’m doing the driver safety course on the computer today.

    Did you know that there are mirrors on your car?

    1. Just remember: Green = go, red = stop, yellow = go really fast.

      1. DOOMco

        I used that at a stop light party in college.
        “Why are you wearing yellow?”
        “It’s like green, but you go faster”

        1. Tundra

          The fuck is a stoplight party?

          /checks to make sure lawn is empty

          1. DOOMco

            Idk some sort of crazy sex party.
            All the kids are doing it.

          2. DOOMco

            You’d wear green for single and ready to go, red for taken.

            Really, it was just another theme night to drink bad beer.

          3. Playa Manhattan

            It’s like a rainbow party, but also a sausage fest.

          4. DOOMco

            Yep.

      2. Gustave Lytton

        And blue=go in Japan.

      3. Raston Bot

        unless you are red/green colorblind. then it’s go, go, go really fast.

    2. commodious spittoon

      My last car was a beater I bought from my brother. He’d managed to shear off the driver’s-side mirror completely and cracked the passenger’s-side mirror such that only about the bottom third remained. So when I bought my new (used) car with all the mirrors intact it was kinda fun relearning that, yeah, cars have mirrors.

    3. MikeS

      Some cars also have a way to make lights blink on just the right or left side of the vehicle.

      1. Wait…what?! What in the world would you use those for?!

        /Chicago suburban driver

        1. AlexinCT

          Winking at the chicks?

      2. AlmightyJB

        Which no one uses anymore.

        1. MikeS

          “Nah, I’ll prolly just keep barrelin’ through intersections”

    4. KibbledKristen

      Question 1: what model Subaru is the best?
      Question 2: If John drives his Impreza at 30 mph south on Route 7 toward Vergennes, and Bill drives his Forester at 40 mph north toward Shelburne, how do you pronounce “Charlotte”?

      1. DOOMco

        Lol

      2. Old Man With Candy

        1. Ask a lesbian.
        2. “Fucked up airport”

      3. 1: Matchbox
        2: Harlot

      4. Plinker762

        The best Subarus are the ones in the scrap yard

        Which Shelburne?

  25. See Double You

    OT, but probably too late for morning links:

    I think this is a topical and good summary, authored by my con-law professor, of the current and historical debate over the federal government’s power over immigration law.

    http://theconversation.com/sessions-suing-california-is-the-latest-battle-in-a-centuries-old-war-for-power-over-immigration-93240?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=linkedinbutton

  26. wdalasio

    Funny thing is that, assuming this is satire, it completely shows the fallacy of so much of the “foodie” culture. Assembling a bunch of expensive ingredients does not make for a good dish. Using ibérico ham in a pizza is idiotic. You might as well be mixing 20-year-old Balvenie with Red Bull. Any tomato sauce is going to drown out the taste. And you most certainly can’t taste “fair trade” or “conflict free”. Most of this stuff is just plain social signalling by people whose palates are woefully uninformed.

    And, yet, these are the same sorts who will sneer at well-done steak (Not my personal preference, but that’s kind of my point).

    1. Raven Nation

      “You might as well be mixing 20-year-old Balvenie with Red Bull”

      It is well known that only barbarians mix fine Scotch with anything.

      1. Gustave Lytton

        Count me in then. I’ve got a bottle of Aberlour I’m not happy with and since I don’t have any Bailey’s, I’ve been using it as a Irish (Scotch?) coffee base.

        1. Raven Nation

          “I’m not happy with”: so clearly not a fine Scotch and thus can be mixed.

      2. robc

        I used to call Makers Mark the pivot bourbon.

        If a bourbon costs less than or equal to Makers, it is a mixer.

        If it costs greater than or equal to Makers, it is a sipper.

        1. Dakotain

          Stealing this.

      3. People with refinement and taste drink wine instead of Scotch. :-p

        1. Raven Nation

          Such as my wife: she brings refinement & taste to our marriage. I bring, um, well, yeah, I got nothing.

    2. commodious spittoon

      I don’t need to buy fair-trade to sneer about that.

    3. thepasswordispassword

      Asian fusion has this problem in spades. I don’t care how super premium your toppings are if your noodles are from the same restaurant supply company as the cheap place down the street and your soup is a watery mess lacking in real flavor.

  27. Just Say’n

    https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/975530368945225728

    “Neoconservatives are like heroes or something”

    – “Newly Woke” Matt Welch

  28. Hyperion

    Democrats suddenly understand what the 2nd is all about?
    a
    If we can’t win elections…

    1. Holger-da-Dane

      The best defense for the Second Amendment is probably that both sides discover it when the other side is in power.

    2. Bob Boberson

      God I wish I were there; “So Mr. Congressman, what you are saying that the right to bear arms is necessary for a free society to ensure their politicians follow the rule of law?”

    3. AlmightyJB

      If you can’t beat ’em, kill ’em.

    4. A Leap at the Wheel

      “This video is incredibly disturbing. It’s surreal to watch a sitting member of Congress suggest that his constituents should take up arms against the president of the United States,” said National Republican Campaign Committee spokesman Chris Martin.

      National Republican Campaign Committee spokesman Chris Martin can fuck right off then.

      1. Just Say’n

        RNC 2009: We need the 2nd Amendment to protect us against the government

        RNC 2018: Oh my God- this guy just said that we need the 2nd Amendment to protect us against the government! Get ’em, Secret Service!

        *to be fair, as someone noted, candidate Trump suggested this was the purpose of the 2nd Amendment during the campaign and the media shat itself with rage*

        1. thepasswordispassword

          NYPost gets it wrong. NRCC is the National Republican Congressional Committee which isn’t tied to the RNC. It’s an incumbent protection PAC run by congress critters. The places where incumbents face realistic challenges tend to be in swing districts which means the NRCC is most at home defending and promoting the most inoffensive milquetoast candidates.

  29. AlmightyJB

    Cooking up hamburgers for lunches this week. Think I’m packing mozzarella and pepperoni to top them with.

  30. mexican sharpshooter

    The Glib editing staff had to go with a midday food post. now I’m hungry enough to eat pizza casserole.

    1. AlmightyJB

      Thin crust pizza just a phone call away.

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        I’m thinking Pad Thai, actually.

    1. commodious spittoon

      He should have stuck with his initial, very sensible response: he said what he said. Set aside the flagrant antisemitism, there’s no apologizing for batshit crazy. That’s not the sort of thing you write off because someone makes a canned apology. I’m sorry I believe that lizard people control our dreams using HAARP. Sorry for what, that you’re a lunatic? I’m sorry, too, but neither one of us is being contrite.

    2. Raston Bot

      Trayon White (D., Ward 8) posted a Facebook video Friday during a brief snowfall in which he complained about the weather and argued wealthy Jewish people were in some way responsible.

      “Man, it just started snowing out of nowhere this morning, man. Y’all better pay attention to this climate control, man, this climate manipulation,” he said. “And D.C. keep talking about, ‘We a resilient city.’ And that’s a model based off the Rothschilds controlling the climate to create natural disasters they can pay for to own the cities, man. Be careful.”

      sounds legit.

    3. A Leap at the Wheel

      This is silly, everyone knows its the Highland Scotts that control the weather.

      1. CPRM

        Only lightning for the quickening

        1. A Leap at the Wheel

          Woops, fucked up the link. It was supposed to point to Destro’s Weather Dominator from Season 1 of GI Joe.

      2. But Enough About Me

        I keep telling you folks, it’s the Illuminati, and they control the world, not just the weather.

        From a bunker in Tibet.

        Since 208 B.C.

  31. DOOMco

    I’ll make pizza tomorrow for dinner.
    Maybe minus the deep dish part

    1. WTF

      So, pizza.

  32. The Late P Brooks

    Problematic

    An Uber self-driving car hit and killed a woman in Tempe, Ariz., Sunday night, according to media reports.

    The Uber car was in self-driving mode when the accident occurred, but had a safety driver at the wheel as is the norm when testing autonomous vehicles.

    The woman, who has not been named, was crossing outside the designated crosswalk at about 10 p.m. when she was hit, police said.

    Sgt. Ronald Elcock, a Tempe police spokesman, told the Arizona Republicconfirmed that the car was in autonomous mode with a driver behind the wheel when it hit the pedestrian. There were no passengers in the car at the time.

    It’s gonna be tough to pin it on Kalanick.

    1. Gustave Lytton

      So far both the Uber “self” driving car and Ted Kennedy’s car have killed more people than my firearm(s). But guns are the ones you have to watch out for in the autonomous killing department.

      1. robc

        Leave Kennedy’s car alone. Unlike him, it dove in after her.

    2. AlmightyJB

      Something that shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. I hope they get sued for all they’re worth.

      1. Tundra

        Gotta break a few eggs to bring about the glorious autonomous omelete, comrade!

      2. robc

        I am not sure fault has been determined yet.

        1. AlmightyJB

          That technology is nowhere near ready for public roads and probably wont be for a decade or more. IMHO, they’re negligent just having it out there on the street.

          1. robc

            Based on the google car accident rates, that is not even close to true.

            Maybe the uber car is well behind, but I doubt it is that far behind.

          2. AlmightyJB

            I think the idea that computer technology and our ability to use it is advanced enough to handle the complexity of defensive driving is pure fantasy. I think we’re moving towards that goal but it’s not ready. I’m not sure how anyone who owns a computer device can possibly buy that we are. Doesn’t make sense.

          3. Number.6

            I still want to see the decision logic that will be deployed when cars have meshed communications, and one of the cars gets to volunteer to kill its only male driver so the other vehicle can save its female driver with 3 kids in the back.

      3. A Leap at the Wheel

        Eh, how many pedestrians per mile has this car killed? How many pedestrians per mile do traditional cars kills. Give me those numbers and I’ll know if this is a problem or an improvement.

        1. CPRM

          But it’s an automatic car, thus much more dangerous.

          1. MikeS

            Was it black?

          2. robc

            It had a thing that went up.

          3. A Leap at the Wheel

            You hold down the gas pedal and it just drives and drives all on its own. Those big semi’s you see on the road, you have to press the gas pedal once each time you want it to move forward.

    3. invisible finger

      Just have to fix a bug in the “YouGetPointsForThem” subroutine.

      1. AlmightyJB

        They tried that but the fix kept causing the blue screen of death.

    4. Playa Manhattan

      YOU HAD ONE JOB, DRIVER

      1. DOOMco

        Fight for 15!

  33. Old Man With Candy

    Needs foreskins. And aborted fetuses.

    1. commodious spittoon

      You could bake that pizza pie to celebrate aborting a boy future rapist.

  34. The Late P Brooks

    Rep. Tom Suozzi made the remark to constituents at a town hall last week, saying that folks opposed to Trump might resort to the “Second Amendment.”

    “It’s really a matter of putting public pressure on the president,” Suozzi said in a newly released video of the March 12 talk in Huntington. “This is where the Second Amendment comes in, quite frankly, because you know, what if the president was to ignore the courts? What would you do? What would we do?”

    Hmm. If I recall correctly, Trump said something about “2nd Amendment people” in regard to Herself, and the media went apeshit and wanted the Secret Service to snatch him up.

  35. Rufus the Monocled

    Awesome stuff Pomp.

    Packed with delicious one-liners.

    As for people who deliberately and willingly order pineapple on pizza, I have to say it’s worse than being libertarian.

    1. commodious spittoon

      I don’t order it, but I’ll happily eat it… especially on thin crust, with green chili.

  36. Warty

    Discard the rendered fat.

    …?

    …I don’t understand. Did you mean to add “into your gullet” but then you fucked it up? Otherwise, this is grammatically unintelligible.

    1. Playa Manhattan

      I assumed that it was used to grease the pan and crust.

      I thought that went without saying.

  37. Playa Manhattan

    Next in the Pompey series: Home Brew Circumcisions

  38. KibbledKristen

    Nixon announces candidacy for NY Gov.

    Nixon now!
    Nixon’s the One!

    1. KibbledKristen
    2. Gustave Lytton

      She has years of campaign experience

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanner_%2788

  39. robc

    Exactly when did Hawai’i add the ‘? When I was learning the states and capitals in 4th grade, it was Hawaii. It seemed like it got added somewhere in the 90s.

    1. R C Dean

      The name and spelling of the state hasn’t changed. Adding the apostrophe is virtue signalling about how woke and shit you are (kinda like misspelling the names of foreign cities like “Beijing” and “Mumbai”). No idea when it happened. Don’t care. Never going to use it.

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        it happened around the time ESPN began adding accent marks to certain Latin-American players. Including the ones that didn’t use accent marks in their names.

    2. Gadfly

      “Hawai’i” is Hawaiian. “Hawaii” is English. Using the former while speaking the latter is a bit of a silly affectation, like the person who slips into a Spanish accent when saying Spanish origin names while speaking English.

  40. CPRM

    TED (holds his hand up)
    Give me sec, I need to vomit.

    HARVEY
    Yeah, you probably shouldn’t be eating solid foods yet.

  41. Christ, the world has gone crazy.

    http://quillette.com/2018/03/15/hate-margaret-atwood/

    I can only assume that all of this is a side effect of affluence. Starving third world peasants don’t have nearly enough time to worry about this shit.

    1. Which, by the way, poetry is a pointless pursuit.

    2. commodious spittoon

      Amidst all these flames and ash, the great men and women of Canadian letters increasingly have gone to ground. While none of Atwood’s critics have her level of success or name recognition, Twitter mobbing is a numbers game. Acting collectively, obscurities such as Rak have been able to crowdsource a regime of ideological enforcement that now can be used to bully even true literary legends.

      Then why, for God’s sake, engage with these people or their rank platform?

  42. KibbledKristen
    1. Number.6

      There’s a difference between ‘cheeky’ – which is the kind of thing an insolent kid indulges in, and ‘cheek’, which is classic old-school British understatement for opportunistic (and usually tone-deaf) behavior.

      Shooting a president from a book depository, someone stealing that parking space at Stop-And-Shop, or an ape pulling your shorts down at a zoo could all be demonstrating ‘cheek’.

      1. KibbledKristen

        Ahh…I had no idea there was a difference! So, “cheek” it is.

  43. westernsloper

    On a cooking note, my sous vide stick arrived and today is my first chance to try it out. I have a tri tip to pop my sous vide cheery. I am also baking some small french loaves for what I hope is a great tri tip sandwich. So much for the low carb diet today.

      1. KibbledKristen

        I did not like the results I got with eggs. I intended to make deviled eggs, so set the sous vide temp for medium-firm yolks. What they don’t tell you is that your yolks will be amazing & perfect, but the whites will be useless and mushy.

        1. commodious spittoon
        2. Playa Manhattan

          What was the exact temp and time?

          There’s a very small temperature window to get what you want out of eggs.

          1. KibbledKristen

            Fucked if I remember. I haven’t tried it again since. I thought doing eggs in the immersion circulator was gonna be a “set it & forget it” thing. If I have to be that precious about some fucking deviled eggs, it ain’t gonna happen.

            For meat, though, the sous vide is amazing.

            Though the tenderloin roast I did with a 24-hour dry age and reverse sear last night was amazing, no sous vide required.

          2. “Reverse sear”? How do you unsear meat?

          3. Tundra

            Sear at the end of the cook. Only way to go.

        3. A Leap at the Wheel

          Eggs can take a bit of trial an error to get just right. For a certain personality type, its a lot of fine dialing it in. My wife would rather push bamboo under her fingernails, but my son and I had a lot of fun making a different time/temp egg every night till we got a just-right egg for ramen that had a firm white and a smooth yolk.

    1. R C Dean

      Mrs. Dean loves her sous vide. Uses it at least once a week. The results on protein are exceptional. Haven’t really tried it on veggies, because really, who cares about veggies. Hope you enjoy it as much as we have.

      1. Playa Manhattan

        There’s no benefit to using it on veggies. It’s just a waste of time.

        Sous Vide is responsible for every single one of the top 10 meat dishes I’ve ever made, however.

        1. Holger-da-Dane

          Sous vide butter poached asparagus. You’ll thank me later.

          167F for 15 minutes, with a tiny bit of butter in the pouch. They float a lot, so be prepared to weigh them down with something heavy. Take the pouch directly to an ice bath to stop the cooking and refrigerate while you sous vide your steak (you *are* having steak, right?) Reheat the asparagus at your steak’s temperature for 15-20 minutes while your steak rest and is getting seared.

          You’ll need hollandaise sauce. A lot of it.

          1. Holger-da-Dane

            That is, never take them out of the pouch until you’re ready to serve, and use the sous vide water to reheat. In case that wasn’t clear. You can do some nice shrimp (raw, little bit of lemon juice) in about the same time/temp.

          2. Playa Manhattan

            I just blanch the asparagus for 90 seconds, drain it, and then sear it on extremely high heat in a grill pan with peanut oil, salt, and pepper.

            It may just be me, but I really like a the taste of asparagus by itself. At most, I’ll add a little garlic and citrus after cooking, but usually, no sauce at all.

            And yes… absolutely steaks.

          3. Holger-da-Dane

            It’s as much about the convenience – it just works, no room for error.

        2. R C Dean

          I believe it, Playa. Fish, especially, is just incredible.

          I’m thinking seriously about firing it up for 48 Hour Corned Beef later this week.

          1. A Leap at the Wheel

            A 48 hour chuck roast tastes like prime rib with a shit ton of fat in it. Its a little more work on the plate to cut out the fat, but at like 1/10th the price, its worth it.

          2. Holger-da-Dane

            Why are you cutting out the fat??

          3. A Leap at the Wheel

            Some of the fat renders out and is delicious. Some of the fat stays really hard and dense. Some of the fat is inseparable from silverskin, which passes through the chuck roast.

            Trust me, I’m not one to avoid the fat.

          4. Tundra

            48 hour short rib is also amazing.

          5. Playa Manhattan

            One of my top ten…. short rib pastrami.

            Also, regular short rib with beef reduction and garlic mash.

          6. Playa Manhattan

            If you’re going to do cured meat, I highly recommend.

    2. Tundra

      Salmon.

  44. trshmnstr

    If you do not feel up to the task of making your own high quality pizza dough, you can just skip this section and buy an acceptable pre-made dough.

    I can’t tell if this is part of the trolling or not. The biggest jump in quality occurred when I switched from wegmans dough to making my own dough.

    Second biggest was when I took Jesse’s advice and preheated the stone for an hour.

    1. I have a hard time finding a dough recipe I’m happy with, in part because the wife wants a cracker crust a la CPK, and I like a crispy and chewy New York style. I will say, though, that while our shitball oven doesn’t get hot enough or heat evenly enough for good results with a stone, grilling pizza on a charcoal grill is my new favorite method.

      1. AlmightyJB

        One man’s attempt at a good cracker crust. A little involved but I tried the recipe and it turned out very good.

        http://ryanspizzablog.blogspot.com/2012/09/tommys-pizza-columbus-ohio-clone.html?m=1

      2. trshmnstr

        I’m getting a good thin crust by rolling my NY style dough out super thin with a rolling pin.

        I tried a special cracker crust recipe 2 weeks ago, and it was good minus needing more salt. I’ll try to hunt it down for you.

          1. AlmightyJB

            Thank you for saving this post from its original depravity with a cracker crust recipe. I think that pineapple abomination may well cost this site its family friendly certification.

  45. The Late P Brooks

    Speaking of uncollectable student debt

    Zoe Ginsberg, an 18-year-old freshman journalism major at USC’s Annenberg School, said she and her classmates have many discussions about the way media is perceived by both the public and politicians in recent years.

    “We as students are concerned we haven’t been paying attention and holding government officials accountable enough for their actions,” she said. “There’s also a level of excitement and thrill that has been inspiring.”

    She’s not the only one who feels that way.

    The latest industry to get a Trump bump: Journalism schools.

    The news business has been an iffy career choice since the rise of free online news, with struggling media outlets shedding staff, and the advent of “fake news” and President Trump’s many criticisms of the press have presented challenges for the industry.

    So who would voluntarily embark on a journalism career these days? Quite a lot, it turns out.

    Yeah, honey. Get out there and defend America from the fake news troll army. And, no, I don’t need room for cream. Just black. I guess I’m supposed to call it an “Americano” here, but that sounds like cultural appropriation.

    1. trshmnstr

      The smart kids are heeding the warnings from their older cohort who have been struggling with debt and useless degrees. The idiots are plowing ahead into mountains of debt for worthless diplomas, hoping beyond hope that Bernie comes to save them from their own stupidity.

  46. The Late P Brooks

    Acting collectively, obscurities such as Rak have been able to crowdsource a regime of ideological enforcement that now can be used to bully even true literary legends.

    “Who? No, I have no clue who that is. Why should I give a shit what he/she/it thinks?”

  47. R C Dean

    Why I don’t care if the Repubs lose their majorities in Congress:

    A prominent Senate Republican is pushing a plan to inject $10 billion a year for three years into the nation’s individual health insurance marketplaces, according to an outline of the plan provided to Bloomberg Law.

    1. A Leap at the Wheel

      Gridlock Baby!

      1. Raston Bot

        oops. i just OT’d your OT post.

      2. Well clearly they need to be killed before they can grow up and start voting.

      3. Tundra

        I’ve mentioned it before, but the trap shooting team at the local high school is huge! And there is a big poster on the wall of the cafeteria – all the kids toting their boom-sticks.

        And nothing else happened.

    2. Raston Bot

      Collins? okay, yeah that sounds like something she would sponsor. but Lamar Alexander?

      1. R C Dean

        And a number of other Repubs are quoted as not exactly being against it.

        Fuck ’em. They’re useless. At least with Dems running Congress we might get the full blown Constitutional crisis this country badly needs.

        1. Or a Civil War.

          1. AlmightyJB

            I hope better than the movie.

    3. Just Say’n

      I’d like them to keep the Senate just for judicial nominations

    4. Gilmore

      “The proposal, sponsored by Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.)”

      FYI

      Nashville is home to a diverse health care cluster with leaders in a number of industry niches that impact the health care landscape locally, nationally and internationally.

      The Nashville health care industry contributes an overall economic benefit of $38.8 billion and more than 250,000 jobs to the local economy annually.
      Globally, Nashville’s health care industry generates more than $84 billion in revenue and more than 500,000 jobs.
      Nearly 400 health care companies have operations in Nashville and work on a multistate, national or international basis. Nashville is also home to more than 400 professional service firms (e.g., accounting, architecture, finance, legal) that provide expertise in the health care industry.
      Eighteen publicly traded health care companies are located in Nashville. HCA’s 2011 return to Wall Street marked the largest-ever U.S. private equity-backed public offering

      the reason so many healthcare companies actually operate in TN is because of the very influence they wield relative to the size of the state; its sort of a virtuous/vicious cycle of influence-peddling and rent-seeking. The more you give, the more come to the trough to feed. Most TN representatives might as well be directly-employed by the healthcare lobby.

  48. KibbledKristen

    Which episode of Star Trek: TNG does this remind you of?

    1. trshmnstr

      I take it that there arent a bunch of smoking hot half-naked people about to give me a massage in that neighborhood. OTOH, maybe Wesley crusher will actually be put to death this time and spare us from his inanity.

    2. AlmightyJB

      What’s TNG?

  49. The Late P Brooks

    I think the idea that computer technology and our ability to use it is advanced enough to handle the complexity of defensive driving is pure fantasy.

    Can the “driver” of that ostensibly autonomous car differentiate between a mailbox and a motionless woman with a perambulator (tips bowler at No 6)? Can it anticipate an attempt to cross the street by one but not the other?

    1. A Leap at the Wheel

      Yes, why wouldn’t they be able to?

    2. trshmnstr

      Yes. Computer vision is pretty good at picking out people and identifying what they’re doing.

      1. Tundra

        How about predicting what crazy-assed thing they are gonna do next?

        1. AlmightyJB

          Minority Report.

        2. trshmnstr

          To be honest, I haven’t kept up with the state of the art since about 2011. These days, I bet you could predict whether or not a collision is likely based on movement of the person and other relevant objects (like a basketball rolling into the street).

        3. A Leap at the Wheel

          Quite good. Better than humans.

          The biggest current problem, as I understand it, it predicting 2+ steps ahead in causality. For example, if carA is trailing a carB, and carB is occluding a motorcycle so that carA can’t see the motorcycle, and if carB switches lanes abruptly without a blinker and the motorcycle stops on a dime, carA may have a hard time with that scenario.

          But this is because motorcycles decelerate faster than cars and are so small. If the motorcycle is a car, it won’t be able to decelerate that much faster than carA.

          And this is also incredibly dangerous for a human driver in carA. “Start Seeing Motorcycles” is a bumper sticker for a reason.

          Its a worst case scenario for an autonomous car, but they are still better than a human at handling it.

    3. R C Dean

      *checks Tucson traffic reports*

      If not, I would say that means it would fit right in around here.

  50. The Late P Brooks

    Computer vision is pretty good at picking out people and identifying what they’re doing.

    Let’s say your computer is driving down the street, and “sees” a woman with the rear door of a parked car open. Does it know enough to recognize the possibility of a small child bursting forth into the street?

    1. A Leap at the Wheel

      It can, if its trained on that. Given that manufacturers spend years on actual roads looking for this kind of thing to train on, I have no doubt that it does.

    2. trshmnstr

      It would likely “know” that there is something occluding its view of a certain area and proceed accordingly. Why does it matter that you know that a kid is about to bound out? Because you need to devote your attention to that potential issue. A computer has no such need. It can simply detect the occlusion, proceed at a safe speed given the unknowns of the situation, and detect the child running out from behind the car in 1/100 the time you could even when being vigilant.

      1. A Leap at the Wheel

        Just for some context, the fastest a human has ever been found to acquire an image (that is, transmit the signal from the eye to the brain) is 13 ms. It then takes more time to actually understand what is going on.

        With a $35 Raspbery Pi and a cheap camera, you can knock together a machine vision system that can process an image in 10 ms. That’s not just capture, but complete processing of the image using simple machine vision techniques.

  51. Tundra

    More car stuff. Tesla and UAW Assume Battle Stations

    Tesla CEO Elon Musk has also accused the UAW of “disingenuous” tactics while doing everything in his power to convince the media and his staff that the factory is a safe and enjoyable place of employment. He has promised ice cream and a roller coaster,…

    So Tesla employs 10 year-olds?

    1. trshmnstr

      We had a psychologist for a big company talk about Generational changes in the workplace at a conference I attended a couple weeks back. You should’ve heard him rant about the Disneyland workplaces in silicon valley.

  52. The Late P Brooks

    Why does it matter that you know that a kid is about to bound out?

    For one thing, you can start looking for clear space for an evasive maneuver. It seems to me the greatest part of driving is not deciding which pedal to push, it’s identifying and assigning probability to threats (for lack of a better word). Of course, most people suck at that, so the net effect of brute force computing might very well be positive.

    1. robc

      This is the big thing. So many drivers suck so bad, that autonomous cars are probably already an improvement from a safety perspective.

      1. Number.6

        Except that every single fatal accident that occurs will result in a civil lawsuit, possibly multiple lawsuits because the ‘driver’ of the vehicle is not in ‘control’ of the vehicle.

        1. Number.6

          Scratch that … not even ‘fatal’. Any accident.

        2. But Enough About Me

          Just a couple nights ago when the latest “self-driving” vehicle (a Caddy, IIRC) was being advertised on the TV, my wife suddenly turned to me and said, “Wait a minute — it’s illegal in every province in Canada to take both hands off the steering wheel while the car’s in motion, isn’t it? How can Cadillac possibly sell this here?”

          Good question.

    2. Tundra

      I have no doubt that technology can outperform most people in this regard.

      But is it worth the loss of freedom? I can’t fathom how such a technology makes us more free, particularly if it means the end of the privately owned and human-driven automobile.

      1. CPRM

        The only benefit I can fathom is getting back from a bar or other place of inebriation safely; however I’m guessing the laws will be written so that even if your car is self-driving you still can’t be drunk.

        1. Gadfly

          Also, old people. People are living longer, and old people generally can’t drive well, so autonomous cars are a boon for old people and drunks.

      2. A Leap at the Wheel

        The Atheneans thought that compulsory military service was necessary for democracy. Jefferson thought that an agriculturalist society was necessary for liberty.

        If people want freedom, technology changes won’t take it away. If they don’t, no technology can save them.

    3. trshmnstr

      For one thing, you can start looking for clear space for an evasive maneuver.

      That’s actually a strength of autonomous systems. Mainly because it can legitimately multi-task. Humans can, at their peak, do 1.5, maybe 2 things at a time. You can’t simultaneously watch for the kid to jump out of the car, plot an evasive path, and keep aware of whether the idiot behind you is giving you enough space to execute an emergency stop. Thus, you have to rotate between those tasks and pre-plan them in your head. A computer can monitor all of them in real time. Theoretically, when the kid jumps out from behind the car, the computer immediately knows that option 1 (emergency braking) will cause a crash with the trailing car , option 2 (an immediate evasive turn) will run you into a parked car, and option 3 (a delayed evasive turn) has a chance of hitting the kid if the kid speeds up and turns toward the car.

      From there, it’s all about the cost algorithm. Which is worst? Hitting a pedestrian? Getting rear ended? Or hitting a parked car?

      1. Urthona

        Meh. A computer can’t even play a decent game of Civilization.

        1. trshmnstr

          You know who else was outsmarted in their attempt for global domination?

          1. Tundra

            Dr. Evil?

          2. Gustave Lytton

            The Brain?

          3. Hillary Clinton?

          4. MikeS

            SMERSH?

          5. CPRM

            Cobra?

    1. Gilmore

      Replace ‘Facebook’ in her headline, with “competing media organization”

  53. Drake

    Ohio student suspended for staying in class during National Walkout Day

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/16/ohio-student-suspended-for-staying-in-class-during-walkouts.html

    1. AlmightyJB said something about this being a hoax if I recall correctly

      1. AlmightyJB

        He wasn’t punished for not participating in the walkout. The school allowed something like 13 minutes for students to do their social signalling. Other students had no obligation to participate. They were to go instead to the auditorium or cafeteria or some supervised area which he refused to do. I guess that was his protest of the protest. The whole process had been announced locally by the school days in advance. It was more a Respect my Authoritah situation.

        http://nbc4i.com/2018/03/15/district-note-saying-hilliard-student-was-suspended-for-not-participating-in-walkout-day-is-fake/

        1. Gustave Lytton

          So still sidesteps why a school district is facilitating and enabling a political protest rather than continuing the school schedule as normal for that day.

        2. CPRM

          Because it would be unprofessional of the teachers to stay in class and continue teaching those that were there to learn. I mean, it’s not like it’s the teachers job to teach.

          1. AlmightyJB

            I don’t disagree but they knew the students were planning something so they met with them and turned it into a minor pause in day rather than having students just taking off and doing what they wanted like the Walmart vandles in Chicago. I also think they steered it into being more towards being a memorial to the students who were killed rather than some political protest.

          2. AlmightyJB

            Same schools district. I remember when my daughter was in 5th grade right after Exxon Valdize she brings home a drawing she did in school of an oil liner leaking oil in ocean full of animals. It said stop killing our planet or some tripe like that. I had to explain to her that oil companies don’t dump their product in the ocean on purpose. Stupid liberals.

        3. Gilmore

          “He didn’t protest in the official and institutionally-authorized way!”

  54. F. Stupidity Jr.

    The US press is hot on the case of the English grooming gangs.

    Granted, you may have to switch a few words around to make it fit, but the point is, they’re reporting something. It’s a step.

  55. The Late P Brooks

    But is it worth the loss of freedom? I can’t fathom how such a technology makes us more free, particularly if it means the end of the privately owned and human-driven automobile.

    There is no fucking way this will make it into widespread use without a “law enforcement” back door.

    And- are we, in this discussion, talking about some theoretical optimum, or the sort of “driver assist” system which rammed that Tesla right under the rear bumper of a stationary fire truck after the human-piloted car(s) ahead of it successfully maneuvered around it? Or the “autonomous” system that ran over the woman in Phoenix while the “backup driver” gazed idly out the window?

    Team Theoretical Optimum always wins.

    1. trshmnstr

      It applies to both sides. Are we talking about a hypervigilant driver who has never been in an accident, or an idiot who thinks the lever on the steering wheel is for hanging incense.

      IMO, automated cars will be able to out drive all but the best drivers within the next 5 years. Then the politicians will get involved and we will have our liberty quickly drained from us, not unlike what happens when Pie goes outside st night.

  56. The Late P Brooks

    It applies to both sides. Are we talking about a hypervigilant driver who has never been in an accident, or an idiot who thinks the lever on the steering wheel is for hanging incense.

    Absolutely applicable to both sides.