Planning
Loyal sidekick Rat and I pretty much plan our year around our primary hunting season.
This year, while we put in for and drew tags for deer, cow elk, and bear, the primary draw for us both were buck deer tags for the 30,000-acre Bosque del Oso State Wildlife Area in Colorado Game Management Unit (GMU) 851, west of Trinidad and very close to the New Mexico border. My project work in New Jersey this year forced me to pick one particular hunt, so the difficult-to-draw Bosque received out attention.
So, we did our map recons, cleaned, serviced and checked zero on rifles, prepared sidearms, sharpened knives, packed camping gear and everything else into the inestimable Rojito and headed for the Bosque the Friday before the season opened. We got down to the area early enough on Friday to have a quick vehicular scout around, seeing two big gangs of wild turkeys and a few does, but no bucks. That mattered little to us at that time, though, with a full five-day season ahead. A day-by-day recap of that season follows.
Day One
Opening Day dawned bright, clear and warm. That makes for a great day camping and woods-bumming, but not a great day for hunting. The woods were bone-dry, which made moving a lot like walking through dry corn flakes.
The Bosque was obtained by the State of Colorado, assisted by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, from a natural gas extraction company. Natural gas extraction is still going on there as part of the purchase agreement, so while access into the Bosque by hunters is limited to foot or horseback traffic from the few designated parking areas, there are good roads for into the unit and we used those on opening day to make a quiet, if not really stealthy, foray far into the right fork of Apache Canyon on the north side of the Bosque. We took a good stand on a hillside overlooking a wide place in the canyon for a while but saw nothing other than scrub jays and chipmunks. Later we walked almost off the end of the property, seeing signs of black bear and turkeys, but no deer.
Mid-day usually doesn’t see much movement on warm, clear days, so we went up Bingham Canyon and proceeded to crawl Rojito up the ultimate portion of the access road, known to the local game wardens as the “Jeep Trail.” It lived up to its name, about a three or four mile climb up a steep, narrow path littered with boulders. It was a bad trail but nothing Rojito and I hadn’t done before, so when we conquered the trail, Rat and I admired the view for a bit, knowing that once any precipitation came in we wouldn’t be able to return. There was no deer sign about, so we headed back down.
In the late afternoon we went over to the eastern edge of the Bosque. By this time, it was t-shirt weather, but we walked up into Cherry Canyon. That location is much drier and more open than Apache, but while we saw some tracks, we saw no deer. But we knew colder, wetter weather was to move in overnight, which normally gets deer moving, so after repasting on Rat’s patented Heart-Stopper Bacon Bacon Cheese Bacon Double Bacon Cheeseburgers with sides of bacon, we retired that night optimistic for the next day.
Day Two
When we awoke on Sunday morning, the temperature had dropped noticeably, and the sky was low and gray, which boded well for seeing game. We headed again over to the eastern part of the Bosque, this time up Alamosita Canyon, a big, open canyon with pines on the south-facing slope and junipers and sage on the north-facing slope.
The wind was right in our faces as we left Rojito and headed on foot up the gas company road – ideal. Stepping slowly, we moved quietly up the road and into the broad canyon.
Not long after we entered the canyon and began ninja-ing our way up through the sage, over the top of a small spur poking out from the canyon wall to the left came two forkhorn mulies, maybe 60 yards away.
“Nice meat bucks,” I whispered to Rat. “Want one?”
Rat replied by dropping to one knee and taking aim. I watched through binoculars as he fired, sending a 165-grain .30-06 pill right into the bigger buck’s vitals. Through the glass, I saw a big puff of hair explode from the buck’s far side and knew we had a dead deer; the buck hadn’t quite figured that out yet and ran in about a 150-yard semicircle up the hillside, crossing a gas wellhead clear-cut and dying on the far side. When we found the buck, we could look about a hundred yards down the hill and see Rojito parked; as the Bosque allows using the gas company roads to retrieve game during midday hours, once Rat had the buck dressed we were able to pull Rojito up to within thirty feet or so to load the deer up.
I have to say here, I’ve shot deer I had to drag for miles and miles to get out, which really makes one appreciate a convenient extraction for once.
Then the snow moved in.
By the time we had Rat’s deer loaded the sky was spitting wet pellets of snow, which were beginning to accumulate. Since Trinidad was only about 20 miles distant, and since our featureless campsite had nary a tree from which to suspend a game pole, we decided to run the buck into town for processing. On the drive out of Alamosita we saw on an adjacent sage flat another forkhorn meat buck, a near twin for Rat’s. Rat asked me if I wanted to sneak in and get a shot at him, but I kind of wanted a bigger buck, so declined. We ran Rat’s buck into town to the processor, grabbed a hot sandwich, and rode back out to the Bosque and ventured once more up the right fork of Apache Canyon.
There we remained until night was coming on but found no fresh tracks other than those of a cow elk who had crossed the canyon on her way somewhere in the previous hour or so. Even so, we went back to our cold dry camp that evening with one deer in the bag and confident of the prospects for a second.
Day Three
On the third day, my luck changed, and not just because I was still toting around a 10-pound .338 Win Mag whilst loyal sidekick Rat was happily hiking along encumbered only by his day pack and sidearm.
The snow had stopped, but the day was still chilly (low 30s) and the sky still mostly cloudy. We ascended Torres Canyon in the morning and saw a few tracks in the recent snow but no bucks. Spotting a few does on the road over to Alamosita gave me a bit of hope, but despite a long afternoon tramp up the canyon that had been good to us the day before, we saw no shootable bucks. By day’s end I gave up most of my hopes for a big buck and determined, with two days left, to take a meat buck if the opportunity presented itself.
High point of the day, though, was watching several huge flocks of sandhill cranes as the afternoon sky cleared. The big birds were flying high and heading south, and as always, we marveled at how their cries came down so clearly from their considerable altitude. It’s a sound always associated with hunting in southern Colorado.
Day Four
The penultimate day of our five-day hunt broke clear and cold.
With Rat again happily unencumbered by his rifle, we decided to hike up the left fork of Apache Canyon, having previously only gone up the right fork. That side of the canyon was a little narrower than the right fork, heavily wooded on both sides, steeper and rockier on the north-facing slopes.
The warm afternoon before had melted snow and produced mud in open areas which had frozen overnight, preserving tracks. We cut some interesting trails: A trio of turkeys being trailed by a bobcat, a mountain lion track left in the snow, and tracks of fox, coyote, rabbits and pine marten. But the big event of that hike was when the sound of a rock tapping down the canyon wall to our right led us to see two bull elk trying to pick their way along the slope to get out of our sight. One was a middling five-by-five, but the other was a huge, magnificent six-by-six that any elk hunter would have been proud to have on the wall. The bulls were a mere hundred and fifty yards away and could have been easily taken, but we had no elk tags for the Bosque, and so we watched them picking their way slowly along the steep, rocky slope until they were out of sight.
Then, this being a Tuesday, misfortune struck. A large drilling rig and its crew entered the left fork and proceeded to drive up the company road, making a fair amount of noise and pretty much scotching any idea of hunting that canyon any further. Rat and I walked on out, picked up Rojito in the parking lot and decided to hit one place we had not yet explored, that being the nearby Cirueta Canyon. As it happened, we didn’t get to explore that location.
On the approach to the canyon’s parking area, we spotted a gang of mulies in a creek bottom not far from the road. We determined that there was one forkhorn meat buck in the band of does.
Now I’m no fan of road-hunting, but when the blood-wind blows you such an obvious prize, it’s folly not to accept. As Rat was driving, I grabbed Thunder Speaker, bailed from the vehicle and creeped into the creek bottom, moving from juniper bush to juniper bush to within about sixty yards of the little buck. Finding an opening in the juniper in front of me, I slid Thunder Speaker through the branches, rested the fore-end on one large branch and let fly. The little buck was facing me with his head high; I put a .338 pill right between his front quarters. He ran about sixty yards – towards the road, mind you – and collapsed. Once again, the extraction was easy, which was something of a first, having that happen twice in one season; I don’t know about most of you, but I rarely have that kind of luck.
Thus ended the 2018 mule deer hunt, with no trophies but plenty of high-quality, additive-free, free range venison in the freezer. Any day hunting is better than the best day working, and a day when you bring home venison is just that much better.
Other Notable Events
An observation: I’ve always maintained (and have done so here in previous articles) that you can shoot little stuff with a big gun, but you can’t shoot big stuff with a little gun. While this is true, in the case of this year’s plump little meat buck I ran across the down side of that. While my shot killed my buck quickly – and I will tell you, a .338 Win Mag will put down a 125-pound deer right now – there was a drawback, as the buck wasn’t facing me straight-on but quartering a little more than I had suspected, so that my 225-grain .338 bullet exited rather forcefully through the right front quarter, destroying most of that quarter’s edible meat. So, I will have to bear that in mind in future deer-only expeditions.
Sunday evening (Day Two) the weather precluded cooking in camp and the cold had us wanting a hot meal, so as evening set in we headed down the road to the village of Segundo. The general store and deli at that location were already closed, but the bar across the highway (Sam’s, in case you’re ever in that area) was open, and while they didn’t have a menu they did have a free-lunch counter consisting of an open bag of chips, some cookies, and a big crock full of sausages alongside a supply of rolls and condiments. We had out hot meal, but the real entertainment of that evening was meeting the man who was apparently the inspiration for the character Gabby Johnson in Blazing Saddles. He was an older gent with an impressive beard and did speak authentic frontier gibberish, offering such gems as “Ash-a-stebba garage cat inna gorge thang” and “Mer dawg issa horsa bit off da kin beet.”
And, finally, having tagged out a day early gave us an afternoon to explore Trinidad. In case you aren’t familiar with that Colorado metropolis, Trinidad is an old mining town a few miles from Raton Pass and the New Mexico border. While most of the mining in the area has faded away, it seems to have been replaced by recreational weed, as we counted over twenty rec-weed shops during the two or three hours we spent strolling around town seeking cold beers. That close to the New Mexico border, I suppose that should come as a surprise to no one.
What’s Next?
A few more cold nights in the old summer-weight tent has us now shopping for a canvas wall tent with a stovepipe hole, to keep us warmer of an evening; that will make sleeping a whole lot more pleasant. But plans for next season always seem to begin during an actual hunt, and sights seen in the Bosque have me determined to seek fall turkey and bear tags for the area in coming years. Rat and I also have a wealth of preference points for elk but haven’t yet decided what to spend them on.
Any day hunting is indeed better than any day working. Work may beckon now, but there are a lot of grouse and other small game in Pennsylvania, not so far from my temporary New Jersey digs, so watch for some news from that quarter soon.
So any experience with boar? Theres plenty in Romania are they difficult to hunt? I would not kill a poor ruminant but boars are assholes
https://youtu.be/ubt19wLNcKM
It can be done.
No actual wild boar here, but the southern states do have real problems with feral domestic swine. Despite them being on my bucket list I haven’t had the chance to hunt them yet.
Haven’t some of those escaped domestic pigs cross-bred with wild boar released for hunting?
I’ve never shot anything bigger than a squirrel but hunting hogs looks fun.
There is only a sliver’s difference between domestic and wild pig in the south, because domestic has been there so long.
Do farmers do something to specifically reduce hair growth in domestic hogs? It just comes to mind whenever I see images of feral pigs with a full coat and start to wonder.
The easiest way to acquire bacon is with a trap. You make a small enclosure with a one-way, spring loaded door and bait it with corn.
Make it sturdy or they will tear it all to pieces.
Check it daily.
I’m going next Friday for pigs. The four legged kind.
More fun when you hunt them with spears…
but you can’t shoot big stuff with a little gun.
I disagree. It’s all about shot placement.
it CAN be done, but SHOULD it be done is another question. I’m all about every advantage legally available to us. Wounding an animal and letting it escape to die somewhere unrecoverable is a shitty thing to do and small bullets are much more likely to be deflected by an obstacle or the wind. I prefer to give myself some margin for error and Animal’s .338 gives that in spades.
“it CAN be done, but SHOULD it be done is another question. I’m all about every advantage legally available to us. ”
I would make the argument that a bigger gun makes for a quicker kill, which is less pain for the animal. Even more important is that the animal not get away injured just to die a horrible death…
Theres a sex joke in there somewhere
Nice article. Youth modern gun opens up tomorrow morning here. The boy and I will be in a stand early tomorrow morning.
high-quality, additive-free, free range venison
With one critical exception, of course.
Lead?
Extruded copper, actually.
I am highly disappointed that you’re not using depleted uranium. All the cool kids do.
Depleting it first is a waste.
“Self cooking kill”
Thanks, Animal. I like these travel/hunting pieces!
What’s Rojito?
That was my question too.
“Little Red”? I’m guessing a smaller Jeep, like a Wrangler.
1999 4×4 extended cab Ford Ranger, with a topper. It’s economical, tough, reliable and agile, with enough cargo room to toss dead critters in the back.
And yes, it’s red, thus the name.
Excellent. I’m headed out for a private land elk hunt with some glibs lurkers in a couple weeks. An article like this is exactly what I needed to get myself revved up for it.
I’m much too domestic in my tastes… every time I’ve had elk, deer, and even oryx, I would have preferred beef or pig.
I like deer jerky, but of course I would, it’s loaded up with salt and spices.
I’m a serious foodie and a fairly serious home cook. In my experience literally every single person who has told me they don’t like game meat has enjoyed my food. I think there are a few reasons why.
1) a lot of people do a shitty job processing their meat. They leave rancid deer tallow on the meat or drip urine over it when they cut the urethra. Or they saw the bones and get nasty marrow and bone dust all over the meat. They get lazy and leave silver skin on the meat. Etc etc. I process my own meat because I don’t trust anyone else and I scrap absolutely every bit that looks less than delicious. I definitely end up throwing out good meat with the bad, but I don’t hunt to feed the 14 kids in my poor pioneer family. I hunt to give myself access to gourmet treats like backstrap.
2) Many hunters are not good cooks. They turn way too many good cuts of meat into sausage or jerky and they don’t really know how to cook game meat in a way to show it off. Overcooking venison by a couple of degrees will basically wreck the whole experience.
My wife was not thrilled when I got into hunting because she grew up eating game meat and hated it. Now she can’t wait for me to finish butchering a deer carcass when I bring it home.
Makes sense. I know very few hunters, so the only game meat I’ve eaten was given us by family friends who for all I know were getting rid of lesser cuts (or clearing out their freezers). The many pounds of oryx my brother ended up with was fairly fresh, but my brother is not a cook.
I have yet to kill my own dinner, but I strongly second the point about overcooking game. Deer and elk venison and bison meat all develop the gamy ‘liver’ flavor if you cook them to even medium; they also toughen when over cooked. I also second the point about poor cooks making sausage from good cuts. A casual friend once brought me a gift of a 2 lbs. of venison sausage that he made from the tenderloin…. It was a gift so I smiled and took it and even ate it, but all I could think was what a godawful waste.
Today’s chuckle: dimwitted Vanderbilt student registers to vote in Tennessee despite Georgia being his home of record, attempts to cast a ballot using a Georgia driver’s license, screams “DISENFRANCHISEMENT!!!” when this ballot gets tossed. What makes it funnier – a)nowhere in this whinefest does he explain why he didn’t just get a Georgia absentee ballot b)he gives this explanation for why he still had a Georgia license:
My wife and I were the a strange situation of being young and married, but still somewhat financially dependent on our parents. Our vehicles were registered in our parents’ names, and we had Georgia driver’s licenses. Registering the vehicles in Tennessee would have incurred a pretty significant tax burden, and getting a Tennessee driver’s license, we were led to believe by our insurance agents, would be a problem for us to since then we’d be listed as drivers on our parents’ cars without Georgia licenses. So we were in this space where we feared losing our transportation or having to incur a significant financial burden if we tried to get Tennessee driver’s licenses.
HAHAHAHA
Link to the story, in case you feel like laughing at him.
What a dumbass.
Dumbass
Never watched that show, but every time I see him all I can think is Bitches, leave.
In the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts nobody checks photo IDs at a polling place.
ISTR they checked mine once, when I had let me registration lapse. Otherwise, correct – just need a name and matching address
when I had let me registration lapse
No idea why I’m talking like a pirate.
The MA government website claims that first-time voters will be required to show an ID (doesn’t have to a photo ID). However, when I voted for the first time there was no mark on the list that my ID had to be checked–and I wasn’t.
If I’m reading that correctly, his argument is that it’s, like, totally unfair that the fact that he was committing insurance fraud interfered with his voting in his election of choice.
Yes, you are reading it correctly. A bright one, this kid.
And I assume he’s upset that he can’t use his vote to help make the rich pay their fair share.
I suppose. I wouldn’t know, I spent the day working.
I really wandered back here from the day job because it’s someonewhat odd that I’d more self-concious that people might think I’m slacking off when I’m wearing headphones at work. So even when I’m closing out the background noise so I can fill out thist damn spreadsheet of network flows ’cause the networking guys dun fucked up their harvesting of firewall rules, I’m worried people might think I’m slacking off. Funnily enough when I’m not wearing headphone and just browsing glibs, I don’t have the same concern.
You work? That’s allowed for Glibs?
Worse, I’m also a State Employee. I think I’ve been committing some sort of Mortal Sin.
:: audible gasp ::
I’m just getting annoyed at the telecom guys who work for the company I support. For over six months now, I’ve been asking for a listing of the DID’s they’ve assigned to each office. The keep saying they’re too busy to supply it (but they have to have it documented if they’re assigned). So every time we have to assign a DID to someone, it turns into a guessing game of what’s available, what’s excluded, and where the ranges start and end.
I’ve only dared to wear headphones a couple times at work – it always seems kind of risky. But suddenly all the consultants were doing it so WTF.
I have the headphones our beloved* computer-based training has an audio component and there are no speakers in the cube farm.
*sarcasm on this word only.
Oh, yeah I have those too, but no way to listen to my stuff with them. I meant my headphones. The ones without a microphone sticking out that would make you look like you’re in a meeting.
It’s completely normal at my work to wear headphones the entire day. One of the “perks” of an open office concept. ?
Well, it does give off a strong vibe of “leave me alone”.
My in-laws have some land they use for hunting. I’ve been considering getting a hunting license. I have a Winchester model 70 .270. I presume that’s sufficient for deer. Any thoughts?
More than sufficient. Jack O’Connor would tell you it’s sufficient for any game on the continent, but I personally wouldn’t go quite that far. Is your model 70 pre-1964? If so, it’s probably worth a fair bit.
Can’t remember I wanna say it was 1970s. Need to check the serial
It was a gift (technically my wife’s). Since I’m more of a self defense gun owner I didn’t play too much with it, locked it up in the safe after getting it.
I know lots of hunters who wear by .270. Shoots flat and accurate, penetrates and expands, but doesn’t blast of big pieces of meat.
swear
My father in law is a big hunter and has owned just about every rifle caliber imaginable over the years.
His .270 is the only rifle he owns now.
A .270 is great for deer. Also very flat shooting and plenty powerful.
I’ve always used a 30-06, for deer, I’ve never even considered using anything else.
I love my 30-06, but I’m actually in love with my 308. 95% of the performance with about 75% of the recoil in a smaller and lighter package. It’s my favorite gun these days.
My love for the 30-06 may be based in ignorance, the only other rifle I’ve shot is my Winchester .30-30. (unless you count M16’s and such.)
I sold my 30-30 last year. it hadn’t been out of the safe in probably 10 years. Shitty performance and a bitch to clean. No thanks.
All I ever do with mine is shoot it at the range for kicks.
No love for the lever guns?
I like my winchester 30-30. It’s great for hunting in the woods where one isn’t ever going to need to shoot more than 60 yards or so. Its light, points easy, is reliable, and aesthetically pleasing.
That’s why I had a lever gun in the first place, but my Ruger Scout rifle meets all those criteria and then some.
What 308 do you shoot?
I’ve got a Ruger Gunsite Scout with a Leupold FX-II on quick detach rings. Bombproof action and solid iron sights as a backup.
It’s seriously my favorite gun to shoot.
Nice!
Well, I own a Saiga .308, but I haven’t gotten out to a safe spot lately.
For deer I have used –
.50 caliber black powder
.45 caliber black powder
30-30
30-06
.243
.270
.308
All with similar success.
See, this is why I tell my wife I need more guns!
Hey all my guns have a purpose! My wife asks why I need 4 shotguns. Well one is for small birds and one is for large birds. One is for use by small shooters (like her). One is for people/zombies.
Perfectly reasonable
“Honey, I understand the words individually, but put together like that just doesn’t make sense.”
“All with Similar Success” could mean “I missed every shot”
^
pedant
Did you expect anything less?
He’s not wrong.
.338 is a lot of bullet for deer. But it sure killed the hell out of that one.
I have no idea why, but lately I’ve been mulling over the idea of getting an old Husqvarna 640 to shoot Bambi with. They’re basically bubba-ized Mauser 98s, except the factory did the Bubbization, and Husqvarna is good at guns. Plus 7.92mm is more than enough caliber to kill anything that needs killin’.
I picked up a Husqvarna motorcycle this summer. It’s a completely different corporate entity and has been for ages, but I like that the logo is still basically a gun barrel with sights.
I didn’t know they made anything but power tools and landscaping equipment.
A great Tale Sir! Well told
December 24th 1995, Southbound through the Raton pass at Midnite, and my Headlights went out………..
Awesome story.
I haven’t hunted in years(whitetail in SW Pennsylvania) really need to schedule my vacation for hunting season next year.
Heart-Stopper Bacon Bacon Cheese Bacon Double Bacon Cheeseburgers with sides of bacon, sound delicious.
Coming in at the end of the month, the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon Melt:
Sounds like tons of fun! I’ve avoided hunting deer because it seems like an expensive pain in the ass once you shoot the damn thing. However, it sounds like they have those Colorado deer trained to die near the roads.
I think turkey is going to be my next target of choice. Whether or not they’re good eating, it’s a step up from hunting doves, which were my primary target when I lived in TX.
Hunting is a fun recreational activity right up until you pull the trigger. Then it’s just work. Maybe that’s just me, and where I’ve hunted. (You drag the dear to a road, you can’t drive to it. )
*deer. Clearly, we weren’t that close.
Worth it for the meat.
My wife swore she wouldn’t eat “Bambi” until I made her shepard’s pie with venison as the secret ingredient.
after she told me that was the best shepard’s pie I’d ever made and I told her why, she has no problem with it and it’s almost a fight to keep her from eating all the deer jerky.
After kill expenses are something you can cut down on by just processing it yourself.
Takes an hour or two and you probably already have everything you need except maybe a meat grinder for the parts you don’t want to leave as whole cuts.
it sounds like they have those Colorado deer trained to die near the roads.
Hell, one jumped in front of my brother’s pickup about a month ago.
STEVE SMITH GOOD HUNTER. HIKERS CAN RUN. HIKERS CANNOT HIDE.
A great tale, well told.
.270 is a fine cartridge for deer and I have killed multiple white tails with it, including my first a Coues Whitetail. My favorite now is a .54 round ball from a traditional blackpowder Plains Rifle.
I have a Lyman Plains rifle. I gave $125 for it and it may just be my favorite rifle to shoot. Except on the days when something goes wrong and I end up having to pull a ball, on those days I cuss. A lot.
STEVE SMITH PLAY HIDE THE SALAMI!
Things I’ve been meaning to do but never get around to:
Actually practicing with my bow so I’ll be comfortable hunting with it
Actually getting out in the woods to find a few good places to set up well before archery season begins in October
Same. I bought a Martin Savannah bow off a buddy a while back. I really like shooting my target but I’m still nowhere near good enough with it to where I’d be comfortable lobbing arrows at a deer yet.
Wow, even Commiefornia is seeing signs of tepid to cold support for Dems.
Should be an interesting few days until we get the final tallies.
Clearly Russian voter suppression.
Boris and Natasha are embedded everywhere, from big cities on down to small hamlets.
They weren’t planning on DRUMPF!!1!! blocking their train of
votersrefugees.I loved how Pelosi made the suggestion that democrats should win the house so we could avoid anyone getting hurt. I tell you, the democratic party is a crime syndicate.
This guy thinks otherwise – Dems take an even firmer grip on the state. Though he’s going on demographics, not early voting results.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/guess-whos-championing-homer-radical-online-conservatives/2018/11/02/af3a49f6-dd40-11e8-85df-7a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?utm_term=.91cdcec9372a
Those icky alt-righters are infatuated with…..Homer and the classics. Oh man, so evil.
From the article:
“Defending the classics against this purported coldblooded attempted murder has been of paramount importance to the alt-right almost since its inception. In 2016, when the community was still relatively young and unknown, then-Breitbart senior editor Milo Yiannopoulos and Breitbart reporter Allum Bokhari wrote in an article titled “An Establishment Conservative’s Guide to the Alt-Right ” that “attempts to scrub western history of its great figures are particularly galling to the alt-right.” They argued that this issue was especially of concern to “natural conservatives,” defined as mostly white male “radicals, who are unapologetically embracing a new identity politics that prioritizes the interests of their own demographic.” They continued: “This follows decades in which left-wingers on campus sought to remove the study of ‘dead white males’ from the focus of western history and literature curricula.”
The alt-right’s motivation for defending the classics differs from that of the mainstream public intellectuals — people like Fareed Zakaria, Alex Beam and David Denby — who argue that the ancient texts deserve study because they showcase such universally human subjects as bravery, grief, perseverance and tragedy. To them, the rise of identity politics — what some call “grievance studies” — could be the classics’ undoing.”
“She’s not retarded, she’s just a Washington Post writer”
Streaks of funky colored hair are starting to become as big a red light to me as a nose ring or coffee shop glasses.
NTTATWWT, but it screams proggy true bleeber.
It’s aposematism
I had to look that up……yeah that’s spot on. The ex came home with rainbow colored hair last spring. She was none too pleased that I wasn’t willing to at least pretend I thought it looked good.
Nice word of the day. I get the same reaction from in-your-face tatts.
Fareed Zakaria…..”public intellectual”
baaahahahahahaha
That hurt my brain.
Pot meet kettle. For every one example of an alt-right outburst on youtube you can find about 100 proggies screaming at the sky videos or Antifa committing acts of violence against peaceful people. That level of cognitive dissonance should be shocking but welcome to 2018.
In any case, the Stoics are dead and the Sophists rule the world.
^Best comment all day.
Oh man, that’s deep.
Basically, this is a ploy to smear anyone who thinks preserving Western Civilization is important. This has been going on for a while and the author is playing coy pretending like she doesn’t know what people are talking about the Left wanting to eliminate Western Civilization education.
They’ve been pushing to get rid of Western Civilization classes since the 80’s and have been highly successful. You have a better chance of finding a college student today who can recite to you all 57 genders than has read Aristotle or Plato.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/02/24/require_western_civ_courses_–_and_end_college_dark_ages_129758.html#!
This was just the most recent incident of an attempt to re-institute Western Civilization courses
I find it funny that Universities spend so much energy on deconstructing Western Civilization when hardly anybody outside of a few ambitious self-learners bother to learn what it’s about these days anyway.
I tried reading Xenophon, but I found I really didn’t like the guy, and would rather he suffered more.
Michael Malice has a new episode of his podcast “Your Welcome” where he and his guest briefly discuss why Aristotle is better than Plato. Most college students wouldn’t even understand what the difference is between the two. They may be briefly exposed to Kant (more likely Hegel) and maybe some John Locke, but you can’t understand who they are responding to unless you have at least a vague understanding about who they are responding to.
I’d say in many cases that’s by design. A good teacher could make sure students understood at least each philosophers basic premise, but public school makes sure each kids, at best, only understands the cartoon version of anything, if at all.
Most of the teachers themselves are intellectually bankrupt. They’ll teach you the
Pythagorean theorem, but you’ll never learn about the crazy philosophical cult that first formulated it or what they believed about mathematics and the natural world.
I think back to some of the things my teachers corrected me on when I was a kid, where they were patently wrong. In my experience most public school teachers are about the most naive, ignorant people you can find.
They’ll make you read “The Stranger” by Camus, but you’ll probably never encounter Camus’ “The Myth of Sisyphus”
You’ll learn about the Protestant Reformation, but you’ll never be taught what the religious arguments are that underpin “sola fides” and “grace”
It’s garbage. And it’s not just public schools. Most of the private schools now just copy the same empty model that the public schools regurgitate.
I’d love to know in depth what the difference was when people used to get a “classical education” compared to a modern one. Sure there was a lot that people in the 19th century didn’t know but I feel like they would laugh at our absolute ignorance by comparison in the realms of history and philosophy.
Yeah, I’m with you.
I stumbled upon a Catholic school system begun by laymen and unaffiliated with a religious order who are attempting to revive a classical education.
The curriculum looks awesome.
https://chestertonacademyofthesacredheart.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Chesterton-Brochure.pdf
It would be nice to see the public sector move toward a more classical form of education. Or at least to have private sector alternatives that offered a real alternative, beyond the Montessori method (which is good too)
One can only hope. I don’t have kids but if you believe Ron Paul, homeschooling and to a lesser degree, private schooling is one of the few battlegrounds where libertarians are actually gaining ground.
Yeah, it’s like Trigglypuff never happened.
Where’s the alternative view that the classics are to be shunned precisely because they are written by the white patriarchy? Because that seems to be a major objective of the SJW crowd.
Or at the very least they should only be read and taught by the most woke and highly educated. In many ways the SJW crowd would like to return to the dark ages; Priests of the Church of Wokeness making sure all us peasants don’t read it for ourselves because we might understand it wrong.
This place does a consistently good job of “indicating” election results.
https://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/markets/congress18.html
The smart money is betting the Dems take the House and the Pubs gain in the Senate.
It’s messed up that Dana Rohrabacher is going to lose his seat for wanting better relations with Russia. The guy has been pimping that line since the George W. Bush administration.
Replaces Rohrabacher with a pro-war Democrat really underscores how the Democrats of 2018 are so much worse than the Democrats of 2006
Refreshingly on-topic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/9f0y8s/how_does_he_do_that/
I think turkey is going to be my next target of choice.
Yesterday when I was leaving the welding supply place, there were at least a dozen turkeys milling around on the sidewalk on the other side of the road. You should have been there.
I’m reposting this from the Morning Lynx because it’s awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYQpge1W5s
I’m finishing listening to the rest of it and it is absolutely savage.
This is just another interview in which the journalist is pathetically outclassed.
good grief everything is patriarchy with her.
where she questions his extensive work on neural chemicals and evolutionary biology was that moment where he had enough of her shit.
Ukrainian Warty spotted… https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2018/11/01/Man-uses-teeth-to-pull-677-ton-cargo-ship/2931541091819/?sl=1
Thanks for the great read. I don’t hunt, but I used to backpack quite a bit growing up in California. That shot of Cherry Canyon reminds me of any number of mountain sides I’ve been on in the Angeles and Sierra mountains.
OT question: My dad is clearing out his library, and I’ve come into the two complete series: Master and Commander by Patrick O’Brien, and the Hornblower Saga by C.S. Forester. Which one should I read first?
IMO: Start with Hornblower. It is a great naval adventure series, but O’Brian’s stuff blows it out of the water. The characterization and writing style just don’t compare.
i just finished O’Brien’s series. currently in a funk after realizing he died mid-sentence of chapter three of book 21 and there will be no more Aubrey/Maturin adventures.
I felt the same way after I read them, fantastic series.