I started smoking somewhere around the age of 14. My dad smoked, his three brothers smoked, it just seemed like the right thing to do. I started with Camel Lights and moved on to Winston, because it tastes good, like a cigarette should. Even early in high school, I was known as the heaviest, most constant, and most consistent smoker around. I was buying cartons by my senior year. By the time I reached college, I would go through 5-6 packs a weekend during my sessions of binge drinking. And all that was without sharing, I didn’t bum to people, I hate bums. Get a damn job and buy your own smokes you leach. And I never tried and had no plans to quit. I loved smoking, let me repeat, I loved smoking! Besides, it just takes the shitty years off the end of your life.
Somewhere around 2008-2009, smoking started to look a lot less glamorous to me. I was fine with idea of getting lung cancer. Lung cancer usually kills you quick. While I don’t prefer it, at least it won’t ruin your life for years. My fiance (at the time, now ex-wife) had a grandfather with COPD. That’s what really changed my mind. Watching the misery he went through was enough for me. I hearkened back to the asthma I outgrew during my childhood. I remembered what it was like to not be able to breathe. I decided I didn’t want that feeling ever again.
I didn’t know anything about e-cigs at the time. So I tried to switch to dip. I had done it a few times in college; it really wasn’t my thing. But, I’d rather lose my gums and jaw than not be able to breathe. Grizzly Mint Long Cut was semi-successful. I was smoking less, but I certainly hadn’t quit. I was probably down to a pack or so a week for about 6 months. I went back to cigarettes, nearly exclusively, at the funeral of the man who was my inspiration to quit (the grandfather).
Right around this time I had moved back in with my parents again while saving for my wedding. My brother, a lover of gadgets, had ordered my dad an electronic cigarette from some company online, I scoffed at the idea. But my father, who had never tried to quit in his life, decided to give it a go. He had one “analog” cigarette three days after starting the electronic and was disgusted with how it tasted. That was 2010, he hasn’t smoked a cigarette since.
He told his bothers, all lifelong smokers, about it. 2 of the three switched with him. Now after a month or so of their success, I decided maybe it wasn’t the snake oil I thought it was and maybe I should give it a shot. These were the earliest days of vaping. The only shop in town that sold this stuff was actually a rare coin shop. The owner of the shop had started vaping and after his success he decided to start selling it out of the coin store. I bought my first ego 510 and I was off to the races.
I was amazed at how well it worked. It didn’t taste exactly like smoking, but it was close enough. It mimicked the motion and movement. It produced the visual effect. Most importantly, it kept my nicotine receptors happy. Also, I can’t begin to tell you how much better I felt. I could breathe and I could breathe well. It only took a few weeks for my smoker’s cough to vanish. It was amazing. The other thing that I really like about it was that I could cheat. When I was drinking with friends, I’d have a smoke or two. The next day, I was fine with going right back to vaping.
The technology changed incredibly rapidly during those first couple of years. In the early days you actually put a few drops on some poly-fill stuffing and held it up to the atomizer. It burned the poly-fill often and tasted awful when it did. Tanks came out next. Variable voltage after that. Then sub-ohm atomizers, variable wattage, stainless steel coils, etc. The products out there today are vastly superior to what I started out with.
After the first couple of years of vaping, I actually stopped using tobacco flavored juice. That was a big step. And when that happened, I realized I wasn’t addicted to cigarettes any longer. I was actually more addicted to vaping than I was cigarettes. I still cheated occasionally (especially while drinking or hanging out with old smoker buddies), but it became less and less as time went on. About two years ago, I realized I really didn’t like smoking anymore, not even my occasional cheat. So I stopped real cigarettes altogether.
Finally, about a year ago, I started questioning if I should try to quit vaping. Like cigarettes, I had never planned to quit. I actually thought I’d vape until I die. But, I started to worry about impending FDA regulations. I was concerned how much it was starting to cost (Indiana regulations drastically increased the price). And with more FDA regulations, the price is only destined to get higher.
I started taking Wellbutrin (aka Bupropion or Zyban), a prescription quit smoking aid (and anti-depressant). I could tell when I first started taking it that I cared less about my nicotine addiction. About two weeks after starting it, on January 28th, 2018 I stopped vaping and all forms of nicotine. I haven’t had any since. Truthfully, after just a few days, almost all of cravings had subsided. After about 6 months I stopped taking the Wellbutrin. I very rarely crave nicotine at all anymore, and when I do it passes almost instantaneously. I really have no desire to ingest it in any form anymore.
It was about an 8 year journey for me to quit nicotine. I think that using the dip actually helped me to start to break my habit. Then, the e-cig saved my life. They are a life saving device. If you smoke and you want to quit, give it a shot. My father, two of his brothers and countless friends of mine also quit smoking by switching to vaping. It really is a miracle of modern times. The only caveat is that you have to want to quit for vaping to work. But if you do, it might save your life.
As a quick aside, I wrote many smoking related papers while in college. That’s how I found Jacob Sullum’s book For Your Own Good: the Anti-Smoking Crusade and the Tyranny of Public Health. His book led me to TOS, which in turn brought me here. BTW, I recommend the book, I wish there were an updated revision.
*grabs more nicotine lozenges*
#StayStrong
Go ahead and just hit that THEME MUSIC !
Wouldn’t this be more appropriate theme music?
Thank G_d it wasnt the Motley Crue version.
I have only ever watched the struggle vicariously. I am related to people who do/have smoke(d). But I did see how hard it was. So, congrats on overcoming the habit.
I’m smoking a cigarette, staring at my Badass vape pen, I’m about 50% E cig. not perfect, but getting there.
Good Job LC!
That’s my journey to Yusef…about 50/50 and I will break it. I have a highly addictive personality but I will keep working on it
The anti-vaping people don’t care about health; they care about control.
That’s true, but there’s another factor as well. They also care about getting their cut.
Same thing happened with fantasy sports. And now some idiot judge in NY ruled that it’s gambling, and therefore illegal.
But SCOTUS said gambling on sports is legal, right? I haven’t really been following. Am I misunderstanding?
Follow-up question; so you can’t even play something like Yahoo fantasy football in NY?
I don’t know; the ruling only came out yesterday.
It should be constitutional under the 9A.
9th amendment?
9th amendment?
What’s that?
/Every Supreme Court Justice
I mentioned this on another thread, but my work is changing the health insurance policy next year. Instead of it being a self declaration that you aren’t smoking, they’re going to do a swab test of everyone for nicotine. Test positive, and the nicotine use surcharge kicks in at ~$100/month. If you’re trying to quit (gum, lozenges, patches, etc.) you need a doctor’s waver in order to avoid the surcharge. It’s insane to me that snuff, snus, chew, smoking, and vaping all are supposedly the same risk.
Good piece. My thoughts on my own experience with smoking is hard to explain and would probably take at least an article this long, and I haven’t on trying to quit yet. Suffice to say, I was never going to smoke. I didn’t want to smoke. I didn’t start until I was 20, and only then out of desperation. Like I said long story. Glad that you could do it though.
I had a fraternity brother who wrote a song called “I only smoke when I’m drinking, I’m up to two packs a day”
It wasn’t the drinking, like a said long story, but I guess the short part is, at that time I had had an anxiety attack going that lasted several weeks. Went and got the heart tested and everything was fine, but it still felt like I was having a heart attack. I was on meds for anxiety already. A friend offered me a clove cigarette and said ‘hey, it helps calm me down.’ So I was like, ‘What the hell’. And the attack stopped.
You can quit, bud. Stop smoking.
I also started when I was around 20 (oh shit, that means I smoked for almost 30 years!) – and it was because me and my buddy ran out of pot and couldn’t find any more at the time. Yeah, stupid.
Gateway drug!
I bought my first Juul a few months ago, had been smoking about 1 pack a day for around 20 years. I alternated Juul with cigarettes for about a week and on the day that I lost my job almost 3 months ago I said fuck it and the last cigarette I smoked was later that night, just to empty that pack. Haven’t desired one since. But yeah, I’m still addicted to nicotine, and I am concerned about the State putting its boot down on vaping. Fuckers.
*grabs another nicotine lozenge…..
I’m also concerned about the veracity of studies they’re putting out about vaping. I have seen the gamut from “95% safer than smoking” to “every bit as bad as smoking”. Good thing scientists don’t have an agenda.
I have seen the gamut from “95% safer than smoking” to “every bit as bad as smoking”.
My next door neighbor in Dallas was a pulmonologist, and my other next door neighbor asked him about it when he switched from cigs to vaping. The pulmonologist said that most of the damage to the lungs is caused by inhaling the byproducts of combustion. Get rid of the combustion and you remove one of the major causes of smoking-related illness. He didn’t, however, go as far as to say that vaping is safe. His exact words were “the jury is out on whether vaping has significant long term side effects. It’s definitely better than cigarettes, but I don’t think it is harmless.”
Which is a very fair assessment.
I can tell you from personal experience how much better I felt after switching to vaping. I highly doubt it is near as likely to give you cancer, but even if it does, it makes your quality of life much better in the meantime.
Yeah, that’s the consensus I’m getting. Nicotine definitely affects your heart rate and blood vessels but yeah you’re not breathing in fiberglas or whatever. Good enough for me, for now.
I’m not a doctor (nor do I play one on TV), but as someone that’s spent the better part of my life evaluating emissions from industrial processes, mostly solid-fuel combustion, I’m siding with the doc. And I also smoked for 30 years off and on, then went to dip, then went to the lozenges I love so much.
Also, the 95% comes from researchers who work on the disease-causing effects of smoking. The exact quote was “at least 95% safer, but we need to do more research to determine the health effects of e-cigarettes”.
A lot of that figure is because smoking is so damned harmful. There are few things with worse long-term health effects. Maybe snorting asbestos…
Anyway, given that context, vaping is absolutely the safe choice.
Given “I don’t smoke and never have”, maybe vaping isn’t the best idea. But then again, neither is having a Long Island Iced Tea, eating a half a cheesecake, rock climbing, playing football, etc.
Nanny state needs to quit telling people what they are not allowed to do. Telling people what the dangers are is just fine by me though.
Agree. I tried several differnt vape options to quit smoking. Juul is the only thing that works. Occasionally, I’ll bum a real one at a bar, but less and less.
I knew I had to quit smoking, but I really didn’t want to quit smoking. But a sales rep from Big Tobacco offered me a coupon at the gas station, making the vape rig essentially free. Haven’t smoked a cigarette since.
Fucking Big Tobacco, making me quit smoking. The bastards.
(I’m puffing Juuls now, too.)
Small Tobacco and Big Government.
Juul has one big flaw – you have to keep pulling the pod out and shaking it to dislodge the bubbles.
So for the hell of it I picked up a “Mylé” and what do you know – they solved that problem. Also it has a bigger capacity and battery. But I don’t like their version of “tobacco” quite as much.
Haven’t had the bubble problem. Did you get the blue light yet? I don’t know what it means.
Yeah, I didn’t have that problem either. Hardest thing for me was not to pull on it as hard as a cigarette.
Really? It’s all over Youtube, where the “hit” dies down after a few pulls until it feels like you’re sucking air.
q: No, I haven’t seen a blue light.
Blue light flashing five times is the Juul’s BSOD, apparently. No idea what a steady blue glow you can smack away means.
Wouldn’t that be more of a RROD then a BSOD? Since a reboot generally clears a BSOD.
No, because it’s blue.
/Obtuse in technical matters
Oh shit, I have seen the steady blue light now that I recall. Yeah, just smack the thing against a table and it goes away.
I never cared for cigarettes. Bummed one off of a friend of a friend while visiting Indiana University during college. I was about 6 shots and 12 light beers in at the time, and I still knew that I hated the thing.
My smoke of choice was hookah during college. Smooth, easy, and tons of fun during a house party, especially when drunk. I noticed that I didn’t feel the best the next day, but that wasn’t a big deal. I stopped any sort of tobacco for a while until law school. One buddy there was a cigar and pipe fiend, so I bought a pipe and we’d smoke together while discussing theology or philosophy or politics. Honestly, I loved the pipe but I hated how I felt after smoking the pipe. I’d have had a much harder time getting rid of the pipe if my mouth didn’t feel like I had just chewed on fiberglass after every smoke.
I’ve been tempted to get a pipe scented candle to light when reading and relaxing around the house. I love the smell of pipe tobacco.
Back to the topic at hand, I never smoked often enough to form a habit, so quitting was never an issue for me. I watched both of my parents try and try again to quit smoking. They succeeded after a while. My dad has never touched the stuff again. My mom took it up again after their divorce. I have a great amount of respect for those who put mind over matter and quit smoking. It is not easy, to say the least!
Similar story here. Some blacks and milds in high school. There was a place right by the school that didn’t care about your age. In college I enjoyed occasional cigars with a scotch.
I quit probably 7 or 8 years ago at this point, and smoked for probably 20 years before that (I started young). I enjoyed cigars, but it’s not worth the $1,200 more in health insurance costs for a cigar or two a year.
I got a lifetime of secondhand smoke the semester I spend in St. Petersburg. It’s what drove me to drink. 😉
80 proof milk ?
Vodka. My first time getting drunk enough to throw up was on a boat trip to Valaam.
So…Scandanavia
An acquaintance of mine lived in Krakow for a couple years in the early 90s. He got a checkup when he came back to the States and his doctor told him he needed to stop smoking. “But Doc, I don’t smoke!”
To this day most Americans have never truly learned just what a total environmental disaster the Eastern Bloc once was. Tree climbing was a favorite pastime for my friends and I when I was a kid, and each excursion would leave your hands and clothing pitch black from all of the soot. I can’t begin to imagine how much toxin I breathed while growing up.
I quit in 1976, 2 pack a day, cold turkey. Withdrawal was 3 weeks, thinking I could climb the wall with my fingernails. I didn’t tell anyone, tried to hide my outbursts, ’cause I feared failure. After a month or so I started running, running became my new addiction for.about 10-12 years. My dad and stepdad both had emphesema, I had watched them suffer their last years. Smoke free 43 years now. Saved a lot of money. Walk into a casino and immediately am overpowered by the stale odors.
Also congrats, Banging, good job !
Thanks!
Congrats. I never had that kind of will-power.
I honest-to-Yahweh was never tempted to start. It makes you stink, it makes you sick, it’s expensive, it doesn’t get you high. I know this is horribly insensitive of me, but I really don’t understand the attraction.
I feel the same way about chutney.
*polite applause*
Check out the square over here.
I, sir, am a cube.
Well, it’s really only expensive because of nannies, but yes the rest is all true. If I catch any of nieces or nephews smoking I will smack the shit out of them.
*lights another menthol*
Take one look at that Joe Camel picture and you’ll be begging to bum one . . . at least that’s what the smoking puritans told me
Camels are cool because there’s a hidden picture in the camel of a guy pissing with an arm on his hips. That’s what got me to start smoking.
Pbbbbt…..
You know it was because Joe Camel looks like a penis. Just admit it. You smoke because you like penis.
(an actual mashup argument of subliminal advertising, homophobia and anti-smoking from the early 80’s)
Anti-smoking PSAs would have gotten my attention better if they used Jim Carroll .
*bonus points for Lou Reed playing “People Who Died”. Thankfully he’s still with us.
Sorry to go OT but I’ve been wondering….
There are some regulars who I haven’t seen much of lately, sometimes I’m MIA for a few days at a time so maybe I missed their departure? Or maybe they have more of a life than I do and just go busy….
Riven?
John Titor?
Jefe?
The knife guy (not going to attempt to draw it out)?
Riven is just busy. Titor I hear is over on the discord I’m told. Don’t recall the the other two.
Oh yeah, with the Highlife hat avatar. Nope, haven’t seen him.
I’m not sure what this fancy discord thing is but my gut tells me I’m a’gin it!
I finally figured out it was intended for gamers to chat. So… I passed.
Video games are what I do when I don’t want to talk to people.
I joined the discord, saw that there was a neckbeard of militant atheists “well ayktually”ing about religion, and got the fuck out. If I’m gonna do rapid fire IM-style discussion, it sure as hell isn’t going to be about theology, philosophy, or anything else that involves actually thinking before responding.
I tried it for a while but got confused. There’s like a main chat, but then a bunch of sub-chats that are tagged as certain categories…I think??? I decided to get off their lawn.
Titor joined the Canadian Navy (Canada has a navy? Who knew?), is in his officer’s training and therefore incommunicado. We expect him back on the Discord at some point in the not-too-distant future.
I also haven’t seen TK for a while.
Jefe was never a prolific poster, and I think he’s busy.
Chainsword dude is also a bit rare, but no word as to any particular reason. He still shows up from time to time.
I seem to remember there was some kerfluffel over the civil war (of all things) and he was pretty salty about it but I don’t remember if that had anything to do with him not posting anymore
He got upset that people kept calling his bloody gladius a chainsword.
I asked Riven on Twitter. She said she was crazy busy.
Seems like I notice one Gilmore post per month for the last little while.
Negroni ?
Did Pat suddenly slow down ?
My father smoked. I have never smoked anything because of him.
If I ever get cancer, I am gonna have to ask yall for a pot brownie recipe.
Its pretty simple, based on (what Ive seen my friends do):
buy brownie mix. Follow instructions for batter. Add pot.
Bake.
#2 ????
#3 Profit
You need pot based butter. If you throw green weed in your brownie mix you’re just wasting weed.
*hits a bowl of Green Crack*
Heh. YMCA summer camp late 1980’s / early 1990’s. I was boat house director. My friend was a counselor. A friend sent him a care package of chocolate cookies in the mail. We shared cookies with his campers while we sailed. When we got back to shore, we read the note that came with the “special” cookies.
The kids were pretty mellow at campfire that night.
Ditto.
When people say “I wish I hadn’t tried X”…. that’s me. Because I know how it will end.
I had the same experience. My parents both smoked. Back in the late 60’s/70’s it was very common to have ashtrays of all sorts all over the house. My mom would often have one burning in an ashtray in the kitchen and another one in the den. The house often had a layer of smoke hanging about 4 feet off the ground… just floating there.
I got my dad to quit by doing two things… one was doing a middle school science project on “low tar” cigarettes. I built a machine to smoke cigarettes through a cotton ball filter. Camels made a brown goop. Winstons (mom’s brand) were not really that far behind, but at least you could recognize that it was a cotton ball. The ‘low tar” brands were light brown. A huge difference.
Then I did the “onion and pepper loads” in my dad’s cigarettes. It must have been a pretty good negative reinforcement. He just quit cold turkey one day and never touched another one. Dad’s a scientist and is ruled by logic.
Mom is not. She’s ruled by feelz, as all good moms are. Her only concession was to move to only smoking outside or in the garage, so her house wouldn’t smell like smoke. She hasn’t had an indoor cigarette since the 80’s. But she still smokes a couple of packs a week. She’s almost 80…. I suppose something else is going to get her, rather than the tobacco. But it wasn’t for a lack of trying.
But I never tried it, not even once. Gross.
I have tried cigars and pipes a couple of times. My ex wife insisted that I needed a vice, so I had a cigar on our honeymoon. Maybe a half dozen to 10 have followed over the next 30 years. The one on the honeymoon was a really nice Cuban…. if you are going to do it, do the best, I suppose. I’ve never had its equal.
From experience, the two best things you can do to feel better:
1. Quit smoking
2. Lose weight
Drinking is still good though. ☺
I quit smoking, but it’s causing me to gain weight.
#keto
+1 Underwear gnome brownie recipe
Greer… Thread fail. Meant to post beneath Tres
And here I was thinking you had some newfangled way to lose weight.
I thought the alcohol would help with commenting.
I was wrong.
Run, Bro, run. When you feel like vomiting you won’t want to eat.
I started cigarettes when the woman I was with after my divorce was a smoker, about 10 years ago.
I was a life-long, pretty much every day pot-smoker from the time I was a junior in high school thru to my early 40s. Because of the money and maybe more the difficulty if having trusted sources (not unsafe drugs, more that my dealers increasingly became dirtbags) I cut way back on timing and eventually became an pipe smoker (transition from pot to cigs to pipe story saved for another time). The pipe tobacco I started as bout as $7.99/lb commercial but ended up being the $4/oz high-end stuff. The future Mrs. Pi didnt like my crap tobacco and corn cob in a zip lock and I got all fancy. Turns out that fancy expensice tobacco was goopy and dank and way worse than the cigarettes. Plus, worse, I inhaled likely as a result of the pit smoking (I was a bowl man, not a roller). I tried some gaping – and it helped – but I was a smoker. At any rate, after about 9 years of smoking, I was breathing like 2-pack a day 70-year old.
Jump to the chase: my dad was diagnosed out of the blue, with stage 4 in May of 2017. He was in great health – exercised, walked, drank moderately, skinless chick breasts – and died on Dec 22 of last year. I, on the other hand, smoke like a freaking factory, drank (drink still) every day, have a terrible diet, took every drug that couldn’t be injected, and have a Dr appt torn ACL knee that I’ve used as an excuse for not being more active. I was going to die before he did.
I ran out of tobacco on Dec 20, 2 days before Dad died, and decided to stop. I haven’t smoke a thing since that date. I’m free.
Downside: after about 10 months smoke-free, none of my 34″ waist pants fit anymore.
Lourde… There aren’t enough Edit Fairies in the Garden of Eden to clean that both up…
Tried …. gaping…..
oof.
If you are gonna typo, go all-in!
My regards . . .we lost my uncle Dave to lung caner in June,
#Cancer Sucks
I too enjoyed this vile mammal habit for a few years. I just quit cold turkey when I developed a sinus infection. It worked by I was quite the asshole after week 3
You mean you haven’t always been quite the asshole? :-p
ha ha, I know right.
*dials up kinetic strike screen, waves crosshairs over Ted S. House*
*shuts down orbital control interface*
Sooooooooooooooon
Cold turkey was the only way I was able to quit.
This is how I quit. It helped that I also used snuff to keep the nicotine coming, but once I quit, that was it. Years later I quit chewing the same way. That time it helped that I wanted to quit.
While we’re talking about it…Winstons taste horrible. Marlboro red was the best.
Winston’s mom on the other hand……
Cum to where the flavor is, amirite ?
Kentucky’s Best>Winston>Marlboro>Those stupid reformulated Camels (they were #2 before they changed them in 2006ish)
Also, soft packs FTW
Reds were too much for me. I did Marlboro Light 100s for a long time and settled on Mediums or Gold or whatever the fuck they’re calling it now (I’ve actually forgotten in just 3 months) in my final years. In college I smoked unfiltered a couple times and almost coughed up a lung. No idea how people could smoke that shit.
I had a boss that i’d occasionally bum a Pall Mall unfiltered from…that shit gave me a head rush.
When I was about 19, a friend and I decided we were gonna quit fucking around and went and bought a pack of Pall Mall unfiltereds from the grocery store. This ancient guy bagging groceries said, “hey, that’s my brand” and his first and middle fingers were literally brown to the first knuckle joint. Not sure if we finished the pack, but I went back to my Winston Lights with filters after that.
Marlboro Red was my brand when I smoked.
OT, but the talk of older relatives reminded me of this. My great uncle just turned 90 years old. He’s a Korean War Purple Heart recipient. You’d have never guessed that he had been to war if you met him, because he is the most upbeat, unceasingly optimistic person. For most of my life, he helped run a vineyard outside of Rochester, NY. The wine was best used as drain cleaner, but he had a ton of fun doing it.
Anyway, he has been struggling with dementia for the past few years, and it’s getting to the point where he’s regularly thinking that he’s back in Korea. I can’t imagine the torture that must be to be mentally thrust back into a battle that has been over for 60 years. Thankfully, his sisters live in town with him and are taking good care of him, but it’s heartbreaking to watch him go through the oh so familiar decline. Please send some positive thoughts his way.
True story . . . my 90 year old grandfather was in line to get on the plane to fly to Korea. A general pulled him out of line and asked him about is teaching degree (he’d just finished school before he was drafted). The general told him that since he had a degree in teaching he was going to stay stateside and teach other GI’s air conditioning repair. He didn’t know anything about AC repair, but he was incredibly relieved to not have to go to Korea.
Also, I’m sorry your grandfather has to relive that. My great uncle Rollie relived his WWII prison camp experience during his latter years. I’ll praying for your great uncle.
thank you, and great article!
Was it Cisco? I think a lot of bumwines are made in the Finger Lakes area…. (I’m from Rochester too.)
No, I think this was a really small operation. My dad (also born and raised in Rochester) says it was called Locurcio Vineyard.
Yeah, it’s actually a pretty big wine region. I’m fairly certain it’s not all bumwines either.
I’m sorry.
I took my Grandpa to Catalina Island (Los Angeles County) a few times. He kept referring to things as “back in the States”.
This is an important thing to say. Thanks for saying it
Camel Lights were my brand until a few years into my marriage I switched to Reds because that’s what my wife smokes. I’ve been smoke free for 11-ish years now. Nicotine free for about 2 (I used snuff before, during, and after smoking).
Still trying to talk my wife into quitting. She was recently diagnosed with “mild” emphysema. That was only enough to get her to cut down to a half pack a day. I’m trying to decide how hard to push her and what strategy(ies) to employ. I gave her the run down of this post and the comments, but she said she sees herself smoking forever and “cutting down to 5 or 6 a day”. I am part enraged, part sad, and part scared.
Would she be amenable to going the vaping direction? Perfect is sometimes the enemy of better.
I’d argue to just buy her one, and a good one at that. She’ll probably use it more and more just out of convenience.
I think I may do just that. Is Juul pretty much the consensus among everyone here?
I’d actually go to a vape shop and see what they recommend. While the ones like Juul are more convenient, Some of the other rigs are much more satisfying. I’d look at sub-ohm atomizers like the innokin Isub (that’s the last one I used before stopping).
OK. Thanks for the advice. And thanks for the post. I’m glad you were able to quit.
I recommend whatever is closest to smoking as possible. For me, that means Juul or one of the newer pod-based ones (there’s a lot of competition! – easy to google). I’m lazy and I want nothing to do with a “rig”.
Thanks, um…Luther (still feels weird) I appreciate the advice. I’ll look around the net and get a handle on what the options are, and then go to a local smoke shop and see what they have to offer and what advice they have.
I roll an Evod Aspire right now, nice Vape
Thanks, buddy. I’ll check that out, too.
I’ve pretty much made up my mind to just buy her one. Or better yet, hopefully the store has gift certificates and I’ll help her pick one out.
That’s the thing. She doesn’t think it’ll work. She tried one of those cigarette shaped ones once…can’t remember the name. Didn’t like the taste so she figures they all suck.
Honestly, I think it’s because she doesn’t want to quit, so she makes excuses. That’s the enraging part. A diagnosis of emphysema and you can’t be arsed to try a few different vaping solutions? I just occasionally tell her I’m not going to pull her oxygen tank around.
I don’t want to be a nag, but I think maybe I’ve been too easy on her so far. I don’t know what to do
One of the guys I used to work with had a job at the office at Emory University Hospital where they gave the emphysema patients their breathing treatment.
He used to marvel at the addictive power of nicotine… these people would arrive by ambulance, unable to breath and desperate… sometimes wishing for death rather than what they were going through. Then they’d get their treatment and go outside and have a cigarette.
He said some patients even smoked through their tracheotomy tube.
Seeing something like that will inspire you to avoid starting.
Yeah, vaping is the way to go – like I said, I smoked for almost 30 years and now I have zero desire for a cigarette. It’s the nicotine that’s the addiction as you know. Good luck.
I also think vaping mimics enough of the mannerisms of smoking that it helps with any psychological addiction as well
Exactly. Believe me, I LIKED smoking.
I still like the idea of smoking, just not the consequences
My grandmother died from COPD and/or emphysema. My mother will die from COPD, if nothing else gets her first. It’s a terrible way to die – asphyxiation in slow motion. Unlike you, I never outgrew my asthma, thus I never smoked. Even before my mom or grandmother developed their lung problems, I was always super-reactive to cigarette smoke. My lungs almost close up just thinking about it. As such, I welcome the development of vaping. My friends can get their nic fix and I don’t have any reaction to 2nd hand water vapor.
Along with being a former asthmatic, I had bilateral pneumonia a couple of years ago as well. There’s nothing worse than not being able to breathe.
My mom was diagnosed with COPD just before her heart got her, which – who knows if that was caused by her smoking.
But yeah, your open-minded reaction to vaping is welcome. Too bad the government isn’t reacting the same way.
I never smoked — never saw the point. But I do sympathize with those who have COPD or emphysema. I caught bacterial bronchitis a decade or so ago. Had it for about a month You ever try to cough without have any air in your lungs? Not fun.
Good luck for all those who want to quit smoking. For those who don’t, that’s your decision to make.
“Who drinks it the most?”
My folks were visiting in 84, and I fairly went off on my little sister about smoking. Dad listened to my screaming quietly, put them down and never picked them up again; he’s 77, walks four miles a day, and plays golf with me every Saturday.
Sister’s smoking was just one investment in her portfolio of stupidity, so we never got along and never speak except that I call her on her birthday. She’s at Vandy as we speak where her husband is dying of emphysema before 60. As we say here, free means being free to be wrong; as long as she pays for her own nonsense, it’s none of my business.
But I ‘m very, very moved by the sharing here; it’s the best thing Glibs do: share their experiences and weigh their theories. If you’ve quit, my congrats; if you haven’t, think about improving the odds of sticking around for more grandkids or for the golden anniversary Glib rendezvous. Good luck . . . or even better: make you’re own luck!
Every time I see a young pretty girl smoking I want to slap her face. The beautiful lungs aren’t going to last forever.
After seeing a clown finish his first marathon, my BIL decided he wanted to run one, too. He started with Couch to 5k. He was a long time smoker when he began. In fact, he was looking forward to celebrating his marathon finish by smoking a cigarette. However, as he trained he simply quit smoking.
That was definitely not his plan, but he’s glad he quit.
I can’t imagine training for a marathon while smoking. It’s miserable enough without breathing issues.
My best friend quit a few years ago
but not before finishing the Hotter-N-Hell 100 twice with me; he’s always been a hell of an athlete.
That reminds me of the Bataan Memorial Death March. It’s the only marathon where I’ve seen participants smoking while running.
Like OMWC, I don’t understand wanting to smoke, either. Smelly, messes up your lungs, costs money. The social aspect never came into play since my friends in college didn’t smoke, either. I like to go to casinos, but hate coming home with smelly clothes and a cough. Really appreciate casinos with non-smoking areas.
My wife smoked before I met her, but quit (using the patch, I think). She says says that occasionally she has a slight hankering to smoke, but it’s not too strong, and for the most part she’s more intolerant of smokers around us than I am.
Anyway, props to everyone here who has quit, and good thoughts for those that are trying.
Do you like other stimulants? There’s an essay out there somewhere called “Why We Smoke” that was written in the 1950’s. It was the truest thing I’ve ever read and I think it could really help people understand why people like smoking and quitting is so hard
Why We Smoke by Ernest Dichter
Sooooo true. I’ll read the rest later but yeah stepping outside work for a smoke is a huge pleasure. That’s actually one thing vaping can’t offer (that I know of) – a built-in timer to tell you when you have to go back to work….
I do some caffeine (but not coffee).
Don’s Most Over-rated (first Committee-style!)
1 Syracuse
2 Virginia
3 UCF
4 Kentucky
5 Washington State
5 Boston College
7 NC State
8 Notre Dame
9 Iowa State
10 LSU
11 Florida
12 Texas
12 WVa
Yeah, can’t put UCF up there. Not after Auburn was supposed to be the national champions (but lost in the SEC championship) and UCF beat them (and Alabama didn’t). That conference might be better than a couple of the p5 this year.
I’d put Miami at the top of that list. People had them just behind Clemson pre-season… UVA beat them like a drum.
Also can’t put KY up there. They’ve sucked forever. Actually winning games is refreshing. (and no, they probably aren’t a top 10 team, but definitely top 20)
When I was a kid, my dad was smoking about a pack of Marlboro Reds a day. He quit the day he retired and never smoked again. I smoked for about a month in eighth grade. I quickly realized there was nothing about it I liked. Since then, I dabbled with pipe tobacco and cigars. Today, I smoke 3-4 cigars a week June-September. It’s a warm weather activity.
My wife smoked quite a bit for about 20 years. After we retired and moved, she decided it was time to quit. Over a month, she weaned herself off cigarettes. Then one day she lit the only one of the day and really didn’t like how it made her feel. Done. That was five years ago.
One sister quit when she got COPD, another quit when she almost lost both feet and Barret’s Syndrome. The third never smoked. My BIL, a lifelong smoker married to my sister that never smoked, tried to quit and even took Chantix for a while. He quit for about two months before he started up again. Everyone is different.
I switched from smoking to vaping over 7 months ago.
When my First Box style machine died, I borrowed my Wife’s Evod Twist, and that was nice. Then i was gifted 16 Cartons of the little cigars I smoke AND another Evod, this one is an Aspire.
Since Smoking is free right now, I smoke about a half pack a day, the rest is Vape.
A “rig” is a pretty broad definition, My pen could be a rig, I guess, but it’s easy to use, not rocket science
/my 2c
Yeah, I’m hard on “rigs” but I’m open to other options if I tire of what I’m doing now. The pod-things just really hit the sweet spot for me.
Lookit the Body Snatcher over here…
I kept up with the latest and greatest for a while, and some of the big ones really are better. Like I said the tech changed so rapidly for a while. It’s slowed now, but for a while there was a lot of battling over who’s doucheflute was bigger and better
When my wife was trying to quit, she tried the artificial cigarettes that came before e-cigs. She puffed through one of those, even though I reminded her that one was the equivalent of ten cigarettes. I think the results of that actually played a big role in her eventually being able to quit. She was flying, and not in a good way!
I’ve never smoked cigs. During a reunion with my Gulf War buddies, I smoked a couple of cigars while drinking. While I was asleep, some kind of animal took a huge shit in my mouth and throat.
I do like my cigars in the summer, but I had to LOL when a coworker of mine once remarked that cigars are breath mints for people who eat shit.
One thing about quitting that I hate was that I couldn’t smoke cigars with my dad and brother a few weeks ago. I’m not a huge cigar guy (I kinda just liked ’em in ‘ette form), but I enjoyed the bonding. But I can’t chance re-addiction with the occasional cigar.
Years after I quit smoking cigarettes, when I was convinced that the risk of re-addiction was far enough gone, I tried smoking some nice cigars. They just made my mouth feel hot, dry, and foul-tasting.
I know what you mean; I wanted to enjoy a cigar now and then, but as a wise man once said, the thrill is gone.
That’s kind of what happened to me with cigarettes when I started vaping. I’d be drinking and cheat. Each time, they tasted awful. What I wanted was for them to taste like they did when I smoked, But, they didn’t anymore. Over time that made me cheat less and less, until I was solely on the vaping for the last year or so.
I might have to give the Juul or something similar a try. I’ve been smoking 32 years, and this year is the first time I’ve started noticing it affecting by breathing. I rarely cough from smoking, especially since I started rolling my own. But I have started noticing a shortness of breath when doing heavy physical labor.
One of the reasons I haven’t tried vaping is because others doing it really bothers me, especially my eyes. I think it’s mostly from the flavors used. Many perfumes, fabric softeners, and air fresheners bother my eyes and make me feel shitty. Must be allergic reactions. Maybe I should try the regular tobacco flavors.
Tobacco, Vanilla and Blueberry are all pleasant without overwhelming you, IMO
I don’t know what to tell you about the reaction you’re having. But I think you should give it a shot. My dad and two uncles smoke for a combination of over 120 years and they all quit with it. You really start to feel better quickly. You’ll notice the difference within a few weeks. Experiment with a few different flavors and see what you like.
I’ve quit with wellbutrin when I was a kid and chantix aw an adult.
They both work, but be prepared. They both made me pretty nuts for awhile.
I’m curious about Wellbutrin.
It’s supposed to help with all cravings, and I sometimes eat things that I shouldn’t.
I’ve gained weight since I quit nicotine and while I was still on Wellbutrin, so I don’t know how well it will work for that. But it did work wonders for my nicotine cravings. I’d give it a shot, we all react differently, so it might work for you.
I was prescibed Wellbutrin (Zyban) to knock off the dip. Clearly I was a solid candidate, because for me, it made tobacco something like an afterthought. For example, I still wanted my morning-blast of nicotine (who doesn’t?) but the rest of the day my usual triggers were suspended. Like, after a meal, when Id be ready to stuff a plug-o-snuff in my lip, it would be 2 o’clock and Id realize I didnt do it. I stopped it for other side-effects, but for me it was very effective with the nicotine suppression.
*YMMV
I’m a man of cravings. Luckily, I’m in good health and good shape, but I just make the wrong choices.
I eat whatever I want, whenever I want. I’d prefer to be able to follow some sort of meal plan.
Honestly, Chantix scares me. I’ve heard several horror stories about it. And, everyone I know who’s used it started back within a few months.
I quit for 2 years and only started back out of my own stupidity.
If you’re going to take chantix, quit drinking for the duration. That’s my advice
Friend of mine says it worked for him. He’s not a drinker FWIW.
Tres Sr. tried chantix for a bit, and to me he always had some weird odor of pickles. Of course at the time, he was also doing 12-18 beers a day. So it’s entirely possible he was pickled.
I had vivid level damn near lucid dreams of me running in a field with a tub of ice cream being chased by bears that I thought wanted to kill me but actually only wanted the ice cream.
YMMV
Well….did you give it to them?
Fuck no. Those bears didnt do shit to deserve that ice cream.
Fucking freeloaders. I ran all night. If those bears want ice cream they can get a fan job and make money to pay for their own damn ice cream
Thanks for the recommendations Yusef and thanks for the article Banging. I haven’t had the desire to quit, but know I need to quit. I’m going to get a Juul or something similar tomorrow or Thursday and start by trying it at home.
A few things I noticed way back when I started.
1. You don’t know when to to stop. With a cigarette there is a defined beginning and end. There is not defined end to vaping. That takes some getting used to.
2. When you smoke, tar lines your lungs. Nicotine is in that tar and slowly leaches out to your body. That’s why cravings only come every so often. If you don’t have the tar slowly leaching nicotine into your system you crave it more often. You’ll need to hit pipe more often than you would smoke.
3. Never use on an airplane. I used to work for an airline and read incident reports. Airplane smoke detectors are very sensitive and will go off. You will get in trouble. I read at least 2 reports a day where the detector went off. And if you do use it on an airplane, the lavatory is the worst place. It’s small and has it’s own smoke detector.
Interesting – I’ve noticed that and wondered why. Yeah, I’m like sucking constantly on the thing. (Shut up.)
Oof, good call. Any idea about hotels? I’ve thought I’d use next time I’m in a hotel because they’re all fucking non-smoking now.
I used mine in many hotel rooms without issues. The problem with airplanes is their smoke detectors are made to detect much more than smoke. I doubt Best Western is shelling out that kind of money for highly sensitive chemical detectors.
Vapes will even set off a residential smoke alarm.
That hasn’t happened to me. And they’re designed to not go off with cigarette smoke, you’d think vapor would be OK.
Perhaps my smoke alarm is the photoelectric kind instead of the ionizing kind.
not mine
Among my CDC emails today: E-Cigarette Infographic
Surprisingly not completely negative.
Congrats to everyone who has succeeded in their quest to stop smoking. It’s a real accomplishment. I had a friend who quit heroin cold turkey and just could not quit smoking, despite many good faith attempts. It’s a tough one.
Since the age of 14, I have spent more years smoking than not. It’s hard to quit. It’s also stupid easy to start back up.
Sometimes you just have to take the long route. My method took eight years, but John Candy had a five year plan
Yeah. We lost touch after I moved out West. I wonder every now and then how he’s doing.
To me that reads like a campaign for more regulation. “It COULD contain this, it COULD contain that…”
I know that my team is horrible at football this year and I dont Mich care for halloween, but it is what it is. However, if you fuckers dont find this adorable, then there’s something wrong with yall
https://imgur.com/gallery/qBnp1uI
Awwww! Congratulations!
TY. I like her
Gotta protect the ball
Great picture and very clever. Also congrats on getting rid of Bielema. I was happy when he left Wisconsin to go to Arkansas. Now the Badgers have the coach I’ve wanted for a long time in Chryst.
Bielema was such a disaster…
Definitely adorable!
Very cute.
I’ve never smoked cigarettes (and have no desire to), but I picked up a pipe in the last couple of years and have enjoyed it in a very strange way. I take a very low dose of bupropion as an antidepressant, so I don’t really get much of the nicotine hit, but the smell and flavor have turned out to be surprisingly nice if I let the tobacco dry for a few minutes before packing the pipe (I saw someone mention feeling like he’d been chewing on fiberglass, that sounds like wet tobacco to me).
Smoking a pipe appeals to my vaguely hipster-y tendencies, my pack-rat love of acquiring little tools, and my enjoyment of a little ritual to settle down in the evening. I don’t smoke much (maybe once a month, tops), so I’d like to think I’m dodging a lot of the risk of smoking. Between that and the fact that I enjoy making pipes (see above about my love of acquiring little tools), I don’t see myself giving it up anytime soon.
And that’s the best part about freedom: I get to make my own choices and everyone else gets to make theirs.
B-b-but there’s no way to ensure that every single person makes the correct decisions!!
/prog
Tied cigarettes once or twice and cigars a few more times, but never really picked it up (thank god now). Love the smell of a fresh can of Cope and pipe tobacco. My neighbor used to smoke a pipe. I’d go outside and get a whiff of that delicious smoke whafting through the woods. Almost enough to get me to take it up.
I love the smell of fresh smoke, I really do. Be it from the tip of a cigarette, to a cigar, to pipe tobacco. But the smell of stale smoke is awful. One per of being a smoker was not being able to smell that.
One of the nastiest things ever is making out with a smoker when you don’t smoke.
Ugh, I can imagine. I can think of more than one relationship that vaping might have saved had it existed back then.
I never used tobacco. The first Surgeon General’s report on smoking came out when I was seven. Both my parents quit about that time. Within a few years, all TV advertising for smokes went away.
More importantly, I developed allergies during my teenage years when I would have otherwise succumbed to the urge to piss off my parents and follow the crowd. I couldn’t stand to be anywhere near anyone that was smoking. Cigarette smoke did, and still does, trigger sneezing, coughing, and itchy eyes for me. It makes me miserable.
And yet, my friends could not understand why I was so upset when the state of Iowa banned smoking in all places of business ten or fifteen years ago.
I thought we had reached a good compromise by banning it in offices and such – then they went and banned it in bars and started treated vaping just like smoking and I realized it wasn’t really about what they were claiming it was about.
It’s banned in public in my entire town.
Cars OK, as long as they’re not parked. No smoking in multi-family residences or condos.
But nah, it’s not about control.
How progressive.
When my alma mater banned smoking on campus, they banned chewing tobacco as well . . . that stated reason for the ban was “exposure to second smoke” Now maybe I’m not real smart, but I don’t know how you get exposed to second hand smoke from chewing tobacco.
Farts?
REK’d ’em? It nearly killed ’em.
I had never been a heavy smoker, maybe 4-5 a day normally. I had managed at one point to stop cold turkey, ya the first three or four weeks were rough but after that it was easy. Then a few years later I went and played poker with some coworkers, and dammit if it having a few friendly smokes don’t drag you back.
Then in early 2014 I heard about vaping. Bought a pencil looking thing you couldn’t refill and haven’t touched the real thing since. Needless to say, those pencil like things sold in a gas station were rather pricey so I found a vape shop and got a cartomizer with a small battery. (My things have come a long way even in 4 years)
After a few months of buying premixed juice at a local shop I learned about mixing up my own to cut the cost even further. You just need to exercise a bit of care when mixing that you don’t get a high concentration nicotine solution on your skin.
I’ve since dropped the nicotine content from the 12mg/ml that I had been buying to about 2mg/ml. Before long I’ll try not adding the nicotine at all and just going with PG/VG and flavor.
I started with 36mg, which would be unheard of nowadays. But you have to remember that back then the devices didn’t have near as much output as what’s out there today.
36mg is the strength of base nicotine solution I bought to make my own. I once inadvertently added it at the full 36mg strength to my genesis tank.
It sure didn’t take long to figure out that something wasn’t right. Man was it harsh.
I’m actually still on the 500ml bottle of that solution I bought 2 years ago. When you start dropping the concentration down, even a small amount of base nicotine goes a very long way.
A twofer post since it’s this post has been up for a while.
To any Vapers, what options are there for menthols that don’t just taste like smoking chewing gum? Because that is the experience I’ve had.
On all the talk in the afternoon thread about how hard it is to live on 50k, wow that made me feel so dirt poor. Some people really have no idea what being poor is like. Ain’t capitalism grand?
I was an annoying “anti-smoker” judgy type in the eighties. Then got addicted to the damned nicorette gum in the late nineties (long story), then started smoking off and on for a few years!! Finally used Nicorette gum again to quit.
I agree with Baldwin, treating vaping the same as smoking is groundless and doesn’t help people quit. What next, frisking for Nic patches and checking the mouth for gum???
I did manage to quit once for about a month (then I hurt my knee, you know being idle and all) But I was only able to do that because I was ‘abusing’ lorazapam by taking it when I needed it, which due to stupid laws wouldn’t be a long term solution. So here I am.
#metoo
I hated my mom smoking – mostly the stink. Funny, I didn’t care about the stink after I started smoking….
Yeah, the smell is awful. After the hubs and I quit, we’d pick up his sons from school on our visitation days, and their clothes and backpacks just reeked from their mom & stepdad’s smoking.
ick. They poor kids couldn’t even detect it. Noseblind.
For the first couple of years after I quit I’d find things randomly with that smell. One time I opened a suitcase that hadn’t been used for a couple years and was amazed it still had that stale smoke smell.
Don’t give them ideas.
Congrats on quitting. I quit cold turkey twice in the past and went back each time. I’m going on two years smoke-free now, and it feels absolutely amazing. Vaporizers are a modern miracle.
Speaking of which, has anybody infused their vape with weed? If so, did you get good results? Asking for a friend.
It will fuck up your pen, don’t do it. You could just get another for Weed only, a Friend told me all this…….
I…err…my friend uses a cheapo Aspire that won’t be a big loss if it dies. What gets fucked up? The only part I can think of is the atomizer which is replaceable.
I’d hate to have certain aromas emit at the wrong time IYKWIM
Ah, gotcha.
Never smoked.
I do find it interesting how legal substances like tobacco is being banned in more places while marijuana is becoming more acceptable. Seems society is still fine with banning stuff it thinks is icky…
O.T.: Peter Daou is still working toward earning his self awareness badge from scouting.
https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1057460929133199361
LOL
I feel better knowing what a smug prick he is.
To go off topic. Man if I were to go out and protest everything that offends me, I’d be exhausted. I can’t even imagine feeling the need to have the state punish everything I find offensive, hell I think I’d end up being punished myself. I often say things that offend my personal sensibilities.
My “stop smoking” lesson came the hard way. I’d started having angina when I’d do the slightest exercise. I mentioned this to my doc, which led to a stress test. Soon after came a heart cath. A couple of days later, I was climbing onto an operating table, scared shitless that I was going to leave my wife a widow at 36.
I woke up later that day with a tube in my neck, another in each arm, two emerging from my belly, and a Foley catheter stuck in my dick. Plus a sternum held together with wire and a nifty nine-inch scar running down the center of my chest.
The tubes eventually came out (pro tip, never, ever let your Foley get caught on something while getting into or out of bed). I was pretty difficult to get along with for a few weeks, what with the constant pain from the surgery and the nicotine withdrawals. I gained thirty pounds, and the whole episode cost me two months out of work.
Most cardiac grafts only last fifteen years or so. I’m eleven years post-surgery, so I’m about due for stents, etc., before having to go under the knife and saw again.
There’s no doubt that smoking a pack a day was a contributory factor to my heart condition (unlucky genes, an indifferent diet, and a sedentary-yet-stressful job didn’t help).
One thing the surgeon told me two days before my procedure: “You WILL need another one of these. If you take your meds, exercise, and quit smoking, I’ll be retired before you do. If you don’t do those things, you’ll see me again in six or eight years.” I took his advice to heart.
So that was my ninety-thousand dollar lesson. Of course, the alternative was becoming a corpse.
And my dad smoked since he was 14, survived a plane explosion, a train hitting his car and had MS but died from urinary tract infection at 58. You never know what’s going to kill you.
My mom was somewhat similar – she was a smoker but with weak lungs from pneumonia when she was a child. So she had to go to the hospital when she was pregnant with me and the doctor told her, not only would her baby die but she would too, if she didn’t stop smoking that minute. She did, and as far as I know never had a cigarette again. I never wanted to smoke because of her, I think – not the story so much, but because she had a former smoker’s crusading mentality about it, and I acquired a second-hand sensitivity to the smell from her activism. It just always smelled bad to me.
I quit smoking at least a dozen times. Finally stuck about 6 years ago. Still use lozenges to this day, but really only occasionally. I started smoking in college, mainly during the fraternity initiation timeframe – lot of late nights terrorizing pledges, so there wasn’t much to do but take surrupticious swigs from the flask and smoke. 20 some odd years later I decided it was time to quit. Tried patches, gum, lozenges, but always seemed to go back. Vaping was just taking off around that time, so I decided to give it a try. The vaping did enough to get me off the cigarettes long enough to get over them, but the vaping actually caused more discomfort in my lungs than the cigarettes did. Don’t have any cravings for smoking any more, but I do still crave the nicotine.
Funny story from those years. I went to see a new doctor after moving back to Alabama and had a very thorough physical (EKG, hearing, stress test, etc). One of the things they tested was lung capacity. I came in at around 95%. Doc commented that if I quit smoking I’d improve pretty quickly.
Next year I went back for the annual physical. Lung capacity came back at 118%. Doc congratulated me on quitting smoking and making so much progress in a year. I told him that I was still smoking, and probably more than before. He had a really puzzled look. He asked if I was exercising more, and I told him I wasn’t. He asked if I had changed anything else that would cause it. Took me a minute, but then I realized – I had started playing the bagpipes. He laughed and said that he didn’t think that he would recommend that for any of his other patients…
Judging by the Economist, Niskanen and other cosmotarians liberal democracy is some sort of miltarist neoliberal technocracy.
This resulted in the public school system. Really worked out well.
Well that’s one thing our globalist elites don’t believe in anymore.
This is a big problem isn’t it? We need some sort of selfless incorruptible elite that actively believes in a free society and that it benefits them and everyone else. Certainly doesn’t describe any of the elited in the anglosphere or China for that matter.
Forgot link
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/27/liberal-democracy-history-us-politics
https://nation.com.pk/31-Oct-2018/from-free-speech-to-hate-speech
WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL… WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL……….
No Rush link?
I figured it was Zombie Alexander Haig.
Actually it is extremely hard to do. And why do I think the only violent tendencies they see are mostly on the other side.
I’m also pretty sure that an important part of being “…resilient enough to guard against violent tendencies” involves being tolerant of the existence of the opinions and ideas of other people. Criminalizing one group’s particular flavor of heresy seems rather counterproductive if, as claimed, a resilient society is one’s goal.
It’s Halloween! almost, but it’s on again, lights and fog, spooky music and candy!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Tzv1csfCniuHVHMKA
OK-This is about food, so, kinda OT:
Can someone please explain this to me. Seriously.
What the hell do pecans have to do with resisting? I mean, they hardly have anything to do with the f’ing ice cream, from the sound of it. I get that they are loopy proto-communists, but this just stumps me.
How are you pronouncing “pecan”? Try it like you’re in Vermont.
If that’s what is going on there, that is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve seen in…well, a few hours, considering what makes the news.
That shit aggravates me to no end. That nut is not a “pee can”, and they should be ashamed of themselves for living a lie.
Yes. “we can resist”
They can also sit and spin. I don’t care what their politics are (other than they try to inflict their shit on me/us); say the fucking word right!!!
TY for giving me an answer, by the way.
It’s really cool to hear all the successful quiting stories. Good job everyone.
Now… I’m getting the need to pull on some links.
I know this will end up in the abyss because everyone has moved on but I created an account to make it known you’ve inspired me to try wellbutrin to kick my vape habit. I smoked while in the army for about 10 years and switched to the vape about 6 years ago, have been mulling the idea of quitting that too and figure what the heck will try with a little help. Thanks!
I know that nobody will see this but this post inspired me to try wellbutrin to kick my vape habit so thanks for that! been vaping for about 6 years was smoking for about 10 before that