I’ve had some thoughts on how our civilization should already be having 3-day weekends at the least, in perpetuity. Usually these thoughts are output from a brain lubricated by adult beverages, and are spouted to others likely lubed, who assure me that I make complete sense. Sober reflection on these ideas has not been easy, putting them in some kind of logical order nearly impossible. A stream of consciousness is my best option, as usual…
I often wonder why, as time has slugged along, with all the labor saving technology and increased division of labor, we went from single income households to dual, rather than to the lone-breadwinner-of-yore’s having to work less hours while maintaining his/her/their/its standard of living? How do we convert our technological advances into the laid back, gold backed, paradise of a Galt’s Gulch, sans the holographic projection head in the sand BS?
Given, we have better standards of living and more stuff now than “back in the day” – cell phones, video games, computers, jet skis, etc. – and most everything is now generally safer and better and thus more expensive relatively. Is that solely what’s taking up my extra money, money that could be converted to leisure time? Of course not.
There’s insurance, that oft mandated fave of crony capitalists, to use as a tool to transfer wealth to the unproductive. We all know the obvious fixes for that mess.
There are the insane levels of gubmint spending, most of which go to unnecessary bureaucracy. It’d probably be cheaper just to put all those leeches on welfare rather than making shit up for them to do. Or just eliminate the jobs. Either way, if I had only to pay 10% in income taxes rather than 30%, I’d be freed from 2.7 months of slave labor each year! That should at least allow me to work 4 days per week as opposed to 5. 3 day weekends achieved!!!
And I imagine the end of scarcity economics, especially with the upcoming mining of asteroids. As the prices of things decrease, will we just consume more, buy even more stuff to utilize our disposable income? Will gubmint reg’s increase and the cost of things go right back up with them? Will the gubmint tax/enslave us more, knowing the productive can afford it when the prices of goods are falling? Will we keep the productive peeps working the status quo 40+ hours a week while the headcount of welfare recipients rises as less and less labor is needed to keep civilization running?
Most likely, the answer would be a combination of all, as the various ambitious incompetents hustle to jack their pie.
In this context, I could see a Universal Basic Income as an interim step to spreading out the leisure that should come from the end of scarcity economics and from ever increasing productivity, until the prices of life deflate and a new economy is normalized. This however, assumes our society would recognize that a new economic situation was evolving into existence; and that *leisure time, rather than wealth, should be distributed.*
(Not to say that anything *should* be distributed, as in forced, but getting from hither to thither, from our current situation to Libertarian paradise, naturally wouldn’t happen instantaneously.)
As I see it now, my increased productivity – due to whatever factors – doesn’t result in my having to work less hours. The nonproductive, via gubmint sanctioned/administered theft, are taking it and converting it into leisure time for themselves. I want it back!!!
I’ve had some thoughts on how our civilization should already be having 3-day weekends at the least, in perpetuity. – I blame capitalism
You sir, know how to play the game..
If we had socialism, nobody would ever have to work again and we’d have everything we could ever want!
See Venezuela!
Does anybody really NEED toilet paper?
At least not more than 1 ply.
Not when you have millions in useless currency available to wipe with.
I used to be a trillionaire; I had 13 trillion in Zimbabwe dollars.
I still have Z$ 110 Trillion
If you don’t have food to eat, you won’t shit, so in a way, socialism solves it’s own problems.
Naw, we need to remove the assumption of overlapping leave. Get rid of the weekend as a concept and space out the rest days so the whole darn town doesn’t just shut down at a horrible time.
UCS, from the links thread, Yes Ivory Resin will yellow, if it’s left in direct Sunlight for any length of time
I saw that, did you see the follow-up? I am less worried about sunlight (something I don’t expose my knives to) than potential copper-cleaning solutions for the fittings.
A simple lacquer should suffice for the fittings, Clear nail Polish works well and won’t Yellow. try that in an inconspicuous place
None of the materials have arrived yet, so if I test the outer edge of the scale, it will get ground away during shaping, thus no harm can be done to the finished product
I’m not sure what town you’re living in. Shut down because stores aren’t open, or they’re jammed with people not going to the office? Should we extend that to shift work as well? Force more people onto graves?
Both. It’s not a specific gripe about where I am, but about problems I’ve seen in many locations.
Fix the Border or the welfare State first then maybe we can talk….
Cause the two together are just a recipe for suicide of a nation.
See: Europe.
+ Friedman
“There’s insurance, that oft mandated fave of crony capitalists, to use as a tool to transfer wealth to the unproductive.”
Did you mean to say this about taxes? I remain unsure of how insurance transfers money to people sitting on their asses, unless you are talking about medical insurance and people gaming the SS system.
I’m talking about when insurance is mandated, when laws restrict its markets, or basically whenever it’s treated as anything other than any other product. It’s clearly a favorite tool of crony capitalists.
Well when it is mandated, then sure it is crony capitalist endeavor. Especially if they tell you what you can or can’t have.
What a co-inky dink. Today is a 3 day weekend for me.
“I often wonder why, as time has slugged along, with all the labor saving technology and increased division of labor, we went from single income households to dual, rather than to the lone-breadwinner-of-yore’s having to work less hours while maintaining his/her/their/its standard of living?”
An MRA/MGTOW type would argue that women entering the workforce caused a labor glut and drove down wages, creating a situation in which dual income households are required. I think people just want more money to buy shit.
Another take, I’ve always considered the 40 hour work week to be completely arbitrary. The jobs that I’ve always been most productive in are the one’s that are task-oriented, not time-oriented. Being forced to punch a clock and “get your hours in” has always struck me as stupid. Some weeks I have a lot of work and need to work more, some weeks I’m bored off my skull and have to manufacture busy work for myself. To that end, I don’t see why, if you get your tasks for the week done, why you couldn’t reduce total number of hours and still get the same amount of work done.
40 hour work week was a factory-centric idea. The work would always be there. And yet for some reason the unions hated piecework.
I don’t remember the last time I had a work week that was just 40 hrs….
An MRA/MGTOW type would argue that women entering the workforce caused a labor glut and drove down wages, – well these types are rarely right
What the fuck does the law of supply and demand have to do with MRA’s?
It is more at work than static supply and demand. Women working creates economic growth and more demand. So on the long run there is no glut driving down wages
I agree, the 40 hour work week is arbitrary right now. I think it was originally made for people who work on an assembly line. But many of us today are “knowledge workers”. I’ve read a lot of books about productivity and the psychology of work. Some have found that we stretch or compact our work into an 8 hour day. So if your day was cut to 4 hours or expanded to 10, you’d probably get the same amount done as an 8 hour day, which usually comes down to about 3-4 hours of “real” work. But for some reason we cling to the magic number 40.
In my job search, I am seeing the trend with newer companies to assume you will get in 3-4 hours of good work a day, so they just expect that much from you. Also, it’s becoming more common to not require anything past 40 hours a week. For information workers, there seems to be a steep drop off in performance after that.
But I’ll still catch shit for my 37.5hr work-week.
Tasks aren’t always known in advance. Part of work is just being there to answer the phone/email when things crop up.
I have never, for one moment, not had enough work to fill 40 hours a week. That “busy work” (for me) was always stuff that needed doing but I didn’t want to.
Overall leisure time has increased steadily for both genders though.
So women may be “working” now and getting paid, but in reality they are working less hard.
You can thank #metoo for that.
https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/the-average-american-worker-puts-in-more-hours-than-a-medieval-peasant/amp
Yeah sure. More leisure time. Whatever
Lol
how did they calculate those hours? Because I’m doubting their numbers.
They had way more time to browse glibertarians back then.
Well, they spent way more time ‘on sick leave’, plague and all that.
I’ve seen that claim around a few times but I don’t think I buy it.
I rather suspect that much of the time not spent working for someone else was time spent doing hard labor for themselves just to keep warm/fed.
Bingo.
Bring back indentured servitude. Surely there will always be jobs for even the most execrable rotters, provided the price is right. With UBI, they’d merely be loafing around on a bare subsistence, far poorer trust fund wards of the pitiless state. With servitude comes self-respect, structure, and jobs skills.
Or just eliminate welfare and the minimum wage. You wanna eat and have a place to live? Work. Earning what you have is the biggest builder of self-respect there is.
Yeah I see no need of indentured servitude
You can’t sell scrapping welfare or the minimum wage. But I bet a Bernie-type could sell loads of progs on a jobs program administered by the feds but farmed out to private employers which is virtually indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
I don’t see progs buying that. evil corporation exploiting the poor? it would be a scandal
Really? Lefties love them some jobs programs. They’re rarely effective, and all the talk about shovel-ready programs is cover for wealth transfers to relatively wealthy unions and union-heavy industries, but it’s not for insufficient desire the left invariably fails at jobs programs. They love jobs training, too, even if it’s similarly ill-fated, like the supposed growth industry of climate change-related home improvements that would eventuate any… day… now, provided a goodly amount of public investment. It’s global warming! The globe is warming. The jobs will surely follow.
And they love corporations more and more, now that corporations are toeing the progressive line. And which corporations bust their little toe knuckles hardest on the progressive line? Those with, or hoping to secure, federal contracts, or to cash in on politically opportune fads, like climate change, like discriminatory hiring (provided they discriminate correctly), like thought policing. I think the traditional roles are evolving: progressives will find themselves the party of big business, because big business gets them what they can’t get by voter appeal and legislation, and now, the Supreme Court.
Public works projects used to actually built stuff.
What did we get out of the stimulus? I think they repaved some streets around here. Great use of a trillion dollars.
Money laundering to DNC satellite groups.
The Miami Dolphins got a parking structure, as I understand it.
That’s exactly what it was.
Lefties love government programs with no real work not private compabies who would demand actual work
“I think the traditional roles are evolving: progressives will find themselves the party of big business”
There’s something to this, as long as the industry is prog-approved. They’re happy to take money from evil industries like oil, timber and finance but they have to disguise it from their base. Cool, fun, non-evil hipster industries like Silicon Valley tech and “green” energy can get as much corporate welfare as possible and it makes the progs’ collective panties wet.
I mean in Europe attempts to make able bodies welfare recipients do community work – cleaning parks and such – were uniformly decried as fascist by the left
In my city the public spaces are cleaned by unionized goons who make way more money than I do in IT. And of course they do a shitty job – NYC is not exactly known for its cleanliness.
Public unions are indeed evil.
Arbeit Macht Frei?
We have that. They are called student loans
All you have to do is move to Maine.
I thin people underestimate how much more we consume, although government makes things a lot worse with taxation and regulation. But just getting a hipster coffee instead of making your own generic is a huge increase in consumption
Internet shopping has also greatly increased how much stuff I accumulate.
I like the idea of a three day weekend because you can get lots done.
Thought experiment: given a split of approximately 21 work days to 9 free days in a month, would you prefer 7 days work followed by 3 off or 5 days work with 2 free?
I’d rather work more hours in a day, which I do.
The 4/10 is still 40 hours.
And what does the 4 stand for?
I liked the schedule I hate while on gate guard duty in Yuma. We had long-ass days – guard shifts were 12 hours on post, plus a few more before and after your shift to do morning (actually, more like “middle of the night”, we’d start at 4 am) PT, draw weapons, morning brief, post-duty debrief, etc. However, we’d work a cycle of 4 days on duty, 3 days off, then flip to 3 days on, 4 days off. Duty days were shitty, but those regular 4 days weekends were great.
I had, not I hate
damn
I liked the schedule I hate – seems you are conflicted
You can get that in the private sector if you work in oil. Also, fat paychecks.
That’s a “compressed shift,” very common in the semiconductor industry.
The feds around here do something similar. They do 9-hour days and have every other Friday off.
We don’t need longer weekends. What we need are longer weeks so we can fit in more work.
Bring back the decimal week!
I just want an orthodontist and dentist that opens at 5 or stays open till 7 for school-age children.
Along a similar vein, I boggle at how brick and mortar bank branches ever got walk-in business when they kept hours shorter than regular business hours at both ends. I mean, sure, Fridays they’ll stay open until 5pm…
*cue stories of receiving a physical paycheck from your boss on Fridays, unless you were going to be on vacation so took an advance*
In college I was a repairman for IBM. One of the lines of stuff I was responsible for fixing was a bunch of terminals/printers/etc for banks.
Friday afternoons sucked big time because lots of the hillbillies in Memphis worked check to check and would show up to cash this week’s pay. The lobby would be stuffed with people wanting cash back and if something broke the lines moved slower and the bank manager was calling my boss to prioritize his problems.
On top of that, I had at least 5 bank tellers who also hated cashing checks for the rubes on Friday afternoons and would consistently sabotage their equipment (unplug a wire, jam a printer, etc) so that they could stop working for the afternoon. When I’d get there, I would be able to easily fix it in about 5 minutes, but the lazy teller had gotten their hour break or so. I’d always rat them out to the bank manager , but I don’t think any of them ever got into trouble.
My dad fixed large computers for Sperry/Unisys. Back in the days when a computer ‘chip’ was about 4″ X 8″ X 8″
Oops, those were supposed to be double quotes. He never dealt with 4 foot computer chips.
that is what lunch breaks are for
How long do your lunches last?
My half hour is not long enough to wait in line with everyone else.
usually half hour but I can take more if I need. I took two hours to get some medical treatment for example.
A massage with a “happy ending” is not really a medical procedure, now is it Pie?
You need a better prescription
I knew the problem was on my end man….
That must be one of them “Caddilac Plans” they talk about.
The ones who do that around here clean up and make a killing.
Why stay open all day on a Monday when you can make twice as much working a half-day on Saturday?
I don’t know of any who do that here. I’ve always wondered why nobody (around here, anyway) has done this. Maybe I’m not looking in the right places.
My dentist is open 3 1/2 days a week with the full days being 12 hrs (8AM to 8PM on Wed,Thu, and Fri as well as 6 hrs in the AM on Sat). he books special work for Tuesdays, but then charges premium. Dude makes a killing.
Yeah. I noticed a Ferrari in the parking lot at my last appointment.
Mine likes ski vacations to Europe.
Note that he is not making money of me. I have been blessed with real good teeth (never have had a cavity) and do good oral hygiene, so my visits are to have him check my crown (that is a long story with a dentist I sued because he kept insisting I had a cavity on the x-ray when I knew I had never had one in my life) or do the cleaning so I can flirt with the dental hygienists that are young and purdy.
I don’t know if he’s driven his Ferrari to Europe, but I certainly can’t rule it out.
Barbers figured this out a long time ago. A lot of restaurants close Mondays to have a day off as well.
A few years back I worked 4 10s. Nice being able to get things done without taking off. Also nice that I had the house to myself for a day.
I work 5 10s, with half days on Saturdays now and then.
It probably doesn’t hurt that I actually like my job.
There might be something to this…
“I actually like my job”
UNPOSSIBLE
I bet you only work three hours a day, but charge 10 billable hours.
I work when I feel like it, although when I do work, it’s very brain-labor-intensive and sometimes end up in the zone for several 12-hour days in a row. By the end of the week, I’m exhausted.
In Minnesoda, we call that “summer hours”. When things thaw out, people want to spend more time at the cabin, so they work those 10 hour days. It is a nice perk when your job allows it. Most of the time, I am already working those 10’s anyhow, so taking the extra day off is fine.
The biggest problem is that the worthless workers only pretend to work 10 hour days and still take the extra day off. “Well normally, I’m supposed to be in by 8, but I come in at 9:20 or so. I guess with summer hours, that would mean I show up at 8.”
Of course the good workers rarely complain because work is much better when the lazy asses aren’t around. You can get shit done.
a tool to transfer wealth to the unproductive
There are the insane levels of gubmint spending,
In this context, I could see a Universal Basic Income as an interim step to spreading out the leisure that should come from the end of scarcity economics
I’m detecting some cognitive dissonance, here. And that’s even without the realization that UBI will be permanent until some sort of catastrophic economic/social collapse.
You are free, right now, today, to take a job as a 0.8 FTE, and you have the opportunity to open a business that you can try to run 32 hours per week. These will likely involve some material sacrifices, as you balance the trading of time for money. Or, you can take a job that has long shifts; our hospital-based physicians usually work 12 hours a day, but only around 12 days a month.
UBI = more gun money
UBI = Immediate inflation
As for the UBI, I agree that if implemented it would become permanent. I’m just trying to brainstorm a little on how we get from here to there. If we approach zero labor to survive, how does the leisure get distributed? Right now we redistribute wealth, and the number of people on the dole, not contributing, increases. Are we just going to continue this way until only a few people are earning all the money, working the same long hours, while more and more people don’t work at all? This is what I’m trying to figure out.
The industrial revolution changed the way half the population worked. It did not put half the population out of work
The information revolution changed the way half the population works. It did not put half the population out of work.
The automation revolution will change the way half the population works. It will not put half the population out of work.
There is dislocation and trauma with each revolution. But in the long run, each revolution turns fantasy into new products the ordinary guy or gal can buy and changes the definition of basic living conditions.
There will always be enough work.
Agree that there is always something you could be doing. But I have had the same thoughts as Plisade.
If the cost of providing a basic existence becomes nearly $0 to provide, will it become socially acceptable to drop out and be a welfare leech? And would social acceptance change the % of people dropping out?
I’m torn, on one hand I think that most people will still want to have more than their neighbors, so we will come up with something called “work” to get stuff that makes others envious. On the other hand, I wonder if we wouldn’t be more like dogs. Some breeds absolutely need things to do (border collies). Others would be utter lap dogs who do nothing except let the robots feed them and scratch their tummies (pugs). Another group would be people that mostly sit around doing nothing, but live for doing one thing very well (labs and hunting).
I think that your view on the zero scarcity society is colored considerably by the “breed” of person you are. I can last about a week on vacation before I get so bored just sitting around that I want to go back to work.
I don’t know… I could enjoy spending my time brewing beer, traveling around, and trying new recipes out. Maybe it’s because I’m doing support, but I don’t miss work when I’m not here.
If the cost of providing a basic existence becomes nearly $0 to provide, will it become socially acceptable to drop out and be a welfare leech?
I think its pretty socially acceptable now, if the labor force participation numbers are to be believed.
Um, then what would you need welfare for?
OT: Now is a good time to join/donate to the JPFO.
https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/this-jewish-boy-is-going-to-buy-a-gun/
Related from the article:
“Many, if not most, temples and other Jewish institutions I know in New York and Los Angeles are at high levels of readiness”
This strikes me as odd too. Back when I lived in Miami and was semi-regularly going to Temple (before I dropped organized Judaism due to their progtasticness) there was always at least one cop on duty outside during Shabbat. During High Holidays, there would be half a dozen cops (this was a huge congregation, it is Miami after all).
Oh FFS. There is no organized attack on the Jews. It was one nut case.
I disagree, the left has been systematically attacking Jews and Jewish entities, even if a majority of Jews in this country for some reason have not yet wizened up to that fact.
The doctor who did my kid’s Bris runs a gun club called Bullets and Bagels.
Firearms and Foreskins already taken?
Force more people onto graves?
Sure, whatever, Stalin.
(I read that as “into” graves)
As a floor nurse, I can set up some pretty sweet time off without using PTO. I left the hospital Saturday morning and won’’t return until this Friday night this week for example.
My wife and I try to be intentional about our work leisure time. Our plan in the spring or summer is for me to go .75 time (2 day work week then 3 day) and for her to reenter the job market for a part time gig
So I will buy a gun. It’s not about fear. It’s just history and logic — the canary in the coal mine thing. I want my family and me to be ready if catastrophe strikes, although I sincerely hope it never will. Oh, how I hope that. But I still have to be prepared.
In a very brief discussion the other day, I said, If that had happened in Israel, half the people in the building would have jumped up and returned fire.”
It’s better to have it and not need it, et c.
Not when you want the state to have the power to punish the people that those in power don’t like. Then firearms are problematic because the serfs might use them to fight back.
I often wonder why, as time has slugged along, with all the labor saving technology and increased division of labor, we went from single income households to dual, rather than to the lone-breadwinner-of-yore’s having to work less hours while maintaining his/her/their/its standard of living? How do we convert our technological advances into the laid back, gold backed, paradise of a Galt’s Gulch, sans the holographic projection head in the sand BS?
Houses and cars. The portion of household income going to those two “necessities” has gobbled up the savings (and more) from the deflation in most consumer goods. Why? They are regulated near to death.
Right now about 1/3 of my mortgage payment goes to property taxes. And they have to balls to ask for even more on the ballot this year.
I guess I should consider myself lucky only 1/4 of mine is taxes.
I don’t have an escrow account, but if my property tax was included in the monthly payment it would be about 14%.
Mine is about 20%, maybe a little under.
Property taxes are exhibit number 1 that there are no property rights. You just rent your “property”
Why do you hate the children, Q?
They are smelly and expensive.
I was just out there. Gazillions of 110 and 112 political signs.
Are they really trying to fuck up the fracking out there? Are your fellow residents sick and tired of prosperity already??
If 112 passes the state is fucked. Fortunately, I saw a poll last week that looks as though it’s going to lose. Keep your fingers crossed.
The language is absurd. It’s like a watermelon’s wet dream.
I hope it fails dramatically.
NYS can’t heal the planet by itself – do your part, citizen.
Add in all the junk people sign up for that are considered necessary today. Cell phones, home internet, cable/streaming…
That’s what I was gonna say. I’m still working on an article on minimalism related to this.
I’d add keeping up with the Joneses is shrinking budgets. Just out and out foolish, wasteful spending as well. For millenials, paying off student loans.
Yeah, our bill for connectivity of various kinds is in the hundreds per month, all in. And we just took about hundred a month out of it.
Cell phones and home internet are vitally necessary for my work. Wouldn’t be shocked if that’s pretty common.
Well, that, plus houses are a lot bigger, and in many ways a typical house is better built post-war.
And today’s cars, while boring as all hell, are much better engineered.
Could the advances in quality have occurred without increases in price? Sure, maybe. Its not clear to me, BTW, how many of the regulatory requirements wouldn’t be pretty much standard practice by now, anyway. Some wouldn’t be, but some almost certainly would be. Regulators generally aren’t innovators; their sin is taking features or advances that should be optional and making them mandatory.
“Siri, how can I save money?”
“Ask Alexa.”
Lol
Bitch be cray-cray!
A buddy and I were talking about the effect of stuff like CAFE standards on truck performance. His point was that regulation created an environment that motivated truck makers to build increasingly efficient engines that maximized power. Basically, his Nissan Frontier with 4 cylinders was fuel efficient enough to use as a commuter vehicle but still powerful enough to haul loads of firewood or a bed full of power tools. I don’t know what his tow capacity is, but he’s hauled trailers around without a problem.
My counterpoint was that CAFE standards are just an artificial version of what the market does automatically: when fuel prices are consistently high, people become more interested in fuel efficiency, which means automakers make more money off of fuel efficient cars and trucks, which means they invest more money in marketing and R&D on fuel efficient technologies. But, what CAFE standards don’t do is move in the opposite direction. So, where in their absence low fuel prices might free up resources for companies to move from fuel efficiency to other advancements, as it stands low fuel prices don’t affect the standards. This means that even where efficiency might be essentially wasted effort because the marginal utility gained from more powerful engines is greater those standards will prevent companies from moving in that direction.
I am consistently astonished at how financially irresponsible people are. Nice new cars, expensive vacations, pricey toys, etc. all on a family income that can’t be that much above median. Mrs. Dean and I are making multiples of what other people we know make, but we just can’t see our way clear to spending on that stuff. Maybe its because, given what each of us does for a living, we see how hard life gets when you get old unless you have a serious nest egg.
People simply choose to spend rather than save or cut back on their working hours. I don’t think its much more complicated than that.
I intend to work until I die. Retirement is pointless for knowledge workers.
Same.
I also intend to work until kinnath dies. *taps fingers on desk*
I’m lookin’ to work until I can become wealthy enough to be idle. Then I’m going to become a gentleman of leisure and live off of interest, while making sound investments. Which means I’m going to work until I die, effectively. Still, it’s good to have a dream.
I can’t tell you how many times my father told me that if he had a million bucks he’d put it all in the bank and live off the interest. I’m assuming interest rates were higher than 0.05% back then.
I would be famously content to live at a solid middle-class without having to actually work for a living if I could do so from interest. That’s not to say I would never work again; I’d just be able to work entirely freelance, without having to worry too much about taking jobs out of necessity. That would be a damn fine life, honestly; knowing that whatever happens I’ve always got enough to get by reasonably well and being free to pursue whatever professional goals I feel are worth pursuing.
Likewise
The idea of working strictly for wanting to, rather than of a necessity is our goal.
I just wish we’d started sooner on that path.
I’ve talked about this before, but back when I was doing lots of IoT work in the fast food industry, I was always struck by how many wealthy people still “work”.
A lot of them would buy 10 restaurants or so and their “work” would be to sort of manage them. Not day to day, but to make sure that things were running well enough to net a couple grand every month to live off of. They would stop in one of the restaurants every day and check in with the site manager to make sure things were going fine. Then they’d sit in a booth and drink coffee with their buddies.
I thought it looked like an awesome retirement. Make enough from the stores to live off. Have something to do every day but not too much to do.
I had a supervisor who was older than God and wealthier, too. She still worked just to pay her property taxes so she wouldn’t have to dip into her principal. She was a hoot.
That was awesome. Too bad we didn’t know each other back in the day, because I might have been working for her soul mate at IBM.
Like you, I still have a soft spot for my grizzled old coot of a mentor at IBM. I should write as nice a story about him as you did. I liked that a lot.
I feel bad for the snowflakes today because they won’t know the pride in successfully winning over some crusty boss. I still remember the joke the old coot I worked for made that told me that he had accepted me as a not fuck up.
I second the praise. What a great remembrance!
She had a voice like I would imagine the sound a cat would make if it were shaved and then dragged over the business side of a cheese grater.
I laughed, loudly.
Thirded.
Thank you both.
She brings a smile to my face every time I think of her.
That was the last out-of-doors job I had before I had my baby and became a work-at-home mom.
My grandfather was a senior VP with Avis. Not “wealthy”, but he made a very nice living and retired with a pension in 1988. After my grandmother died in 1991, he was bored sitting around the house so he got a part-time job at Sears. He was a very handy guy who was skilled with a variety of power tools, and he worked in their outdoor department for 17 years until he was 85 when they more or less pushed him to “retire” again. He didn’t need the money, he just wasn’t a guy to sit around idly.
The same people who can’t balance a checkbook or merge on the interstate: somehow, their vote is worth just as much as mine.
A property or income tax threshold requirement for voting would solve a lot of problems.
Amen. Only men who own property or a business should be able to vote. The 19th amendment is proving to have been suicide
If you want to see waste look at wedding budgets.
The one-upsmanship can get really out of control. It’s a game I refuse to play.
You have to put your stay-at-home wife in a Range Rover that’s 2016 or later, otherwise she’ll leave you? Sorry, dude. Life choices.
RC, speaking of which, I need to pick your brain.
My dad is right now in a hospital. He was admitted after being found lying on the side of the road during the severe storm we had on Saturday. He was walking to his favorite restaurant and fell/was robbed. He has a degenerative neurological condition that is robbing him of motor control of his body. He can no longer speak or write. He needs a walker to walk. He is no longer managing his affairs. We aren’t sure if he’s being stubborn or is losing cognitive function (IMHO the latter is occuring). He has bleeding between his skull and his brain from not only this most recent fall, but from previous falls.
We’ve been trying to get him into some sort of home where he would have assistance. We want to get him a wheelchair. We don’t want him to go home, because he lives alone and he has fallen so many times. My SIL has prepared a room for him at their house, but he refuses to go there. Also they both work and they can’t really leave him alone all those hours.
We are going to talk to the care coordinator at the hospital. My dad has been admitted till Wednesday, while they observe him.
What are the things you suggest we speak to the care coordinator about? Are there any suggestions as to how we deal with the issue?
Basically, if we allow my dad to keep deciding where he lives etc, I fully expect he won’t live out the year. If we can get him somewhere safe, he could have a few years of more comfortable life.
I’m really sorry to hear that, tarran.
We really had to work to get my grandmother out of her house (dementia), but her doctor was a strong ally. He really helped convince her it was time.
sorry for your situation, but it sounds like you have something of a team there
Since he got himself hurt, you might easily argue that he can’t make his own decisions: maybe its time to sue to be made conservator
We had to hire someone for full time care because he wouldn’t move. Part of it was covered by Medicaid. We also had a trust set up for the eventuality.
At first, it was just daytime care. Then it became clear that it had to be 24 hour.
The daytime guy was a saint. Still keep in touch with him to this day. Nighttime guy was crooked, and is on parole now for what he did.
What are the things you suggest we speak to the care coordinator about? Are there any suggestions as to how we deal with the issue?
What you describe is depressingly common. Some things you can do to make his last few laps better for everyone:
(1) Get a medical power of attorney so you (or someone) can make medical decisions for him. It sounds like he is still competent, but may not be much longer. Get this done while he is competent, so you don’t have to go through the expense and time of getting a guardianship order from a court.
(2) Same with a financial power of attorney. He needs to understand that neither the medical nor financial powers of attorney are triggered until a doctor says he is no longer competent to manage his own affairs, and that if/when that day comes, somebody other than him will be managing them. The powers of attorney are his chance to say who that is, and will save his family a lot of aggravation.
(3) Get his affairs organized now – banking accounts, checking accounts, retirement, etc. Its amazing how many families I see where the parents don’t trust any of their children. I’m glad my parents aren’t that way, and I hope your father isn’t, either.
(4) He sounds like a good candidate for assisted living, but if he just refuses, there’s not much you can do. Home health is the other option for having somebody check in and help out, but that gets expensive fast. The hospital should have a line on good assisted living facilities and good home health agencies, but who knows? There are also placement agents, who are paid on commission; they range from scum-of-the-earth to miracle workers.
The magic words to use with the hospital people are “safe discharge”. They can’t discharge him until he will be safe where he is going after discharge. If you don’t think his home is safe for him, and you are willing to cross him, you have the opportunity to use the hospital to basically force him into assisted living by telling them his home is not safe for him any more. BUT:
You describe someone who likely has a degraded quality of life. It may be that he just wants to go, and wants to go at home. This is a legit decision; if that’s really what he wants (and he still has competency to make that decision), then so be it. Sounds like there is still family nearby, which (assuming your family is functional) should be a big help. A lot turns on who your father is, what kind of shape he is in now, and how functional your family is. A lot of times these things turn on “one-offs” – is there a doctor or pastor he trusts? Any friends/neighbors? That kind of thing.
Good luck. I am dreading the day that my parents start their final lap.
If I may weigh in on this, the physical and financial guardians should be different people for a few reasons, but mostly because it helps prevent elder abuse and fraud.
I’ve seen what can happen when they’re the same person.
Yep. My brother and I are going to divide the duties. It’s going to be interesting because he and I are growing very far apart, over politics FFS.
The guy unthinkingly parrots MSNBC libels and has to work in a dig at Trump into every mf’ing conversation. I find it completely tiresome. I’ve given up correcting him. I just stay quiet for a long pause and then move on to the topic at hand.
Thanks. “Safe discharge” is exactly what I’m concerned about. The CAT scans tell a grim story of numerous falls over the past few months, most of which noone was aware of. My brother has seen my dad, I haven’t (I’m getting over a cold and I didn’t want to visit while I was potentially infections). My brother has warned me that it isn’t going to be pretty – there are numerous head injuries. 🙁
Sadly, not too uncommon.
Unfortunately, the best solution for that is probably 24 hour home care. Even assisted living facilities don’t have the staff or equipment (bed monitors, etc.) to get someone to your dad every time he needs to go to the bathroom, and I would bet my own money that’s where a lot of his falls were. Hell, we can’t even do it with every single patient every time in our hospital.
Uffda. I have to confess that as a young man, I was very guilty of being the worst person with money ever. Any money that came into my hands, was quickly converted into fun or fun stuff like fishing rods and shotguns. If I needed more money, I would get more work. Any time school was on break, I was at the temp agency picking up more shifts. As soon as I had money in my bank account though, I would stop working so much and go carousing.
Today, I am in a very good spot financially and I owe it all to my wife. She is great with money and she fought me tooth and nail over spending when we first got married. Obviously she won. She got me to think about what I wanted to spend money on and decide if I really needed it, or if I just wanted it. Because of her, I have more money by accident, than I ever would have accumulated on purpose.
I don’t see anything wrong with that if you don’t go into debt. It’s not like you had a family at the time.
I was lucky I married a woman good with money. If I had married someone with the same cavalier attitude towards money that I had, I’d be completely hosed financially.
We have friends who are both similar to me. They both work and make lots of money but are always one paycheck away from disaster. Why? Because they spend money faster than they make it. McMansion. Leased SUV’s. Fancy ice house. Luxury boat. You name it, they buy it.
My wife would do that if I let her.
She hasn’t signed a tax return since we’ve been married.
I’m pretty sure that is how my wife is going to get rid of me some day. I blindly sign the tax returns she puts in front of me.
Knowing her, not only will she set me up to go to prison, she’ll do it in a way so that she can collect a hefty reward for her treachery as well.
I live a pretty conservative lifestyle compared to my income. I’m not yet convinced that the end game won’t be the gubmint stealing it all in order to pay for those that lived high on the hog while I was saving. Maybe I need to talk to Swiss Servator about how to open up some of them secret offshore accounts.
Offshoring is very expensive.
Just make sure that your wealth is in a form that’s hard to confiscate. Something illiquid.
Ammo
It’s always stockpiling ammo with you guys.
Beanie babies
Scruffy, if only that were true I’d already be set. I had two daughters at exactly the right time for that particular fad.
Lube and a meat freezer.
I don’t see anything wrong with that if you don’t go into debt. It’s not like you had a family at the time.
If you don’t accumulate assets, you will either work until you die or have a miserable old age. Or both.
I’m not yet convinced that the end game won’t be the gubmint stealing it all in order to pay for those that lived high on the hog while I was saving.
If you never save anything, you can make yourself as bad off as the government would in the worst-case scenario? Diversify – take advantage of the tax-advantaged retirement vehicles, but those are the most vulnerable to government shenanigans, so save outside of those. Put some percentage into TEOTWAWKI assets, etc. If the worst comes, you’re no worse off than you would have been. If the worst doesn’t come, you’re a hell of a lot better off.
My brother, bless him, is an idiot about finances. When he worked for dad he was happy to blow paycheck after paycheck, no matter if work was slowing down or dead. After his kid was born and his wife badgered him into a better job, they
learned to save and live within their meansran up a ton of debt financing home improvements, new cars, new appliances, vacations…I can’t imagine anything dumber than going into debt for a vacation*.
*unless you’re terminally ill
I laughed at the strike-through, well done.
Don’t worry about your brother, I’m sure he’ll get bailed out. Vote D!
People simply choose to spend rather than save or cut back on their working hours. I don’t think its much more complicated than that
This. This. This.
Prior to getting on the right financial track, my wife and I blew through $85k-100k a year plus student loans with almost nothing to show for it.
Since we tightened our belts and got on a budget, we’re spending less than $50k a year, not including paying down the stupidity of our past.
It sucks to be making 6 figures and not be able to have nice things. There are a few guns I’d really like to acquire that don’t fit the budget. However, when we’re debt free except the house in 3 years, tossing 25% to retirement, I’ll be able to do the next best thing to working 4 days a week. I’ll be able to retire at 45 or 50.
Good on ya. I didn’t figure it out* until late enough, that the earliest I can retire with a decent financial cushion is age 60.
*Plus, I have basically zero ability to manage financial assets.
Don’s Most Overrated, the week in review (you’re welcome)
1 USF lost by 20 to Houston
2 UCF idle
2 Oregon was destroyed by Arizona
4 Washington State edged Stanford
5 Kentucky survived Mizzou
6 Texas lost to pOKe State
7 Ap State lost by 20 to Ga Southern
8 WVa destroyed Baylor (okay, let’s see where this goes)
9 LSU idle
10 Florida lost to UGa by 19
10 NC State lost to Syracuse by 10
12 Texas A&M lost by 15 at Miss St
How did Washington do?
I’m seeing they lost to Cal by 2
How is UCF overrated? They haven’t lost a game in 2 years. Every time some asshole on ESPN starts talking about which 1 or 2 loss team should be in the playoffs instead of them I want to throw something at the TV – and I’m not a UCF fan.
I doubt you’d like my answer, but I don’t like them after giving them props for edging a disinterested Auburn.
If anyone gives me 12, I’d take Temple.
If they go undefeated and win their conference, there is no fucking excuse for leaving them out of the playoffs. Maybe they get their asses kicked and have to shut up about it, but that’s good. better scheduling would help them, but lots of teams don’t want tough non-conference games.
Nah: who you play matters. UCF would be an 8 point underdog to Penn St, which is five positions behind them in the AP. Ratings are silly, and the UCF obsession is quaint….I’d rather argue what the best color is. UCF’s schedule is 125th so far; running that table proves absolutely nada.
For what it’s worth, in spite of watching over 1,000 SEC games and bleeding orange, I’m also a modest fan of the American: I remember Keenum, Culpepper, and DeAngelo fondly, I happen to have a couple of degrees from AAC schools (no big deal), my son went to an AAC school, and I’ve watched at least ten AAC games a year for the past six years. What I wish were true about AAC power just isn’t in any numerical scheme I might contrive. If somehow it turns out later that UCF’s skins on the wall amount to something top ten, I’ll change my tune; they are not remotely there yet. I’ve seen Memphis State beat Alabama…in person…I’m totally open to UCF ascension when they’ve earned it.
I’m not Mr Football or anything, but it was terribly easy to look at last week’s rankings and call bullshit where you see it: I wrote it down and put it out there (here in writing) and was abundantly correct. I made a bunch of good calls, and I might be wrong about one or two of them yet…we’ll see.
That was last week’s glorious achievement; now for this week’s proposal:
Don’s Most Over-rated (last before Committee announces)
1 Houston (very hard for me to admit)
2 Syracuse
3 Virginia
4 UCF
5 Utah State
6 Kentucky
9 Notre Dame (I should have said so last week)
9 Boston College
9 Washington State
10 Mississippi State
11 LSU
12 Texas
13 WVa
14 Florida
formerly over-rated
Ap State
NC State
Oregon
Texas A&M
USF
UVA IS RANKED! UVA IS RANKED!
*collapses in a fit of giddiness*
I’m so gone for smart women; I can’t imagine going to school there.
And a lot of them streak the Lawn, too!
UBI = Immediate inflation
*Modern Monetary Theorist laughs up sleeve*
OT: The guy won’t back down.
https://nypost.com/2018/10/29/trump-accuses-media-of-stroking-great-anger-in-us/
I think Jim Acosta will end up in an institution by the end of Trump’s term.
How is calling someone a liar “a call for violence”? JFC these people are starting to piss me off.
It’s stupid and it’s petty, but damned if I don’t find it hilarious some times. The discrediting and humiliation of the MSM – not so much from what Trump says as from the way they can’t resist beclowning themselves in response – is, on a day-to-day basis, still my favorite part of Trump’s America.
+ 1,000 more stories about how America is “hopelessly divided” as half the country calls bullshit on their game and the other half fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
His opponents just never seem to get it – a lot of people are willing to overlook Trump’s many faults for the simple fact that he refuses to play the media’s stupid game and dance to their tune. It’s almost impossible to NOT get this, but they don’t.
Maybe it’s turned out to be good for ratings from the #resist crowd? I cannot imagine why else CNN would let Acosta and Cillizza continue to wander around in a field of infinite leaf rakes.
Why not have a 3 day work week instead?
My bad.
Economic discussions are where II leave libertarianism behind. To steal from Churchill,. Capitalism is a bad system but it is the best system there is. Having said that, we don’t have capitalism. We have a govt controlled corptocracy. The powers that be distort it for thier own gain. I don’t blame poor people for wanting to distort it back into thier favor even if what they want is foolish,. I.e. 15.00 minimum wage, UBI. So when we’ll off libertarians virtue about how fucking awesome this rigged system has been to them, it pisses me off.
Corporations are not evil, but the people that run them most fuckingly certainly are evil.
P
S. No offense mean t to anyone in particular
the people that run them most fuckingly certainly are evil
*Looks at job title. Shrugs, continues stroking white Persian cat.*
I work for a Fortune 500. I am on a first name basis with everyone up the management ladder to VP of Engineering. I have met pretty much every person in the C suite. Our CEO is an earnest and honest dude.
I am completely fucking tired of “corporations are evil or the people that run them are”. Some organizations are more blood thirsty than others. But generally, the people that run corporations are trying to make money by selling goods or services that the public is willing to pay for.
You can’t argue with FEELZ.
I’m going to assume you are offering this opinion in good faith, I understand you frustration but I have a few retorts and then I’m going to leave it alone.
Except you cannot separate the two. Voluntary exchange, property rights and personal liberty are all the same ball of wax. You cannot infringe on one of those without infringing on all of them.
If you believe in individualism you can understand how people can be misguided in seeking out their own best interests without excusing them. The fact that they want “their slice of the pie” to come from the state robbing someone else is no less immoral than the cleptocrat using the state to enrich themselves. Their envy is what empowers demagogues and tyrants to rise to power.
Sorry but this is just pure envy. I begrudge nobody for making an honest living. As long as they did it without engaging in fraud, theft or coercion there is nothing to condemn. That’s the same line of thinking as “profits are evil” that Marxists subscribe to.
Envy is pretty weird and awesome. Think of what a prime motivator it is. What would our society be like if you didn’t have envy?
Yes, it’s the corporations that are evil. Why, they fire employees who show up drunk and bang their clients!
Was that wrong? Was I not supposed to do that?
when we’ll off libertarians virtue about how fucking awesome this rigged system has been to them – I know no libertarians who do not strongly criticize the system, while maintaining that for all its ills it was better then leftist alternatives
We The Internet on gay cakes.
One step ahead of you. I always have 3-day weekends or longer (but I still put in 10+ hrs a day when I do work).
OT: Damn fuckin’ straight.
https://www.wibc.com/blogs/tony-katz/tony-katz-today/katz-jews-must-defend-themselves-now
The Israelis certainly get that.
Sort of. They got so good at stopping lone gunmen that the terrorists moved on to suicide bombings.
Why work at all? I demand the be freed from the oppression of having to trade labor to earn a living. I exist, therefore society owes me something. ///prog
You are being sarcastic, but the truth is that many of them believe this.
Attention Glibertarians! There will be a Reasonoids meetup in San Francisco on Saturday evening, November 3rd. As part of the H&R diaspora, anyone here is also welcome. For details, email me at my handle at gmail.com.
It’s a Trap!
You weren’t supposed to figure that out until you had bent over to pick up the cocktail from the floor only to find out it was glued down. (And heard the curtains to the other room where STEVE SMITH was hiding part)
Sounds like a gay old time.
What do the Flintstones have to do with this?
The 32 hour work week is what turned France into the economic powerhouse it is today. Oh, wait…
Now they have more time for bathing and hygiene.
Maybe someone should remind them.
I thought it was the open-air urinals.
OT: I have a hard time seeing where this guy is wrong.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/21/america-wont-see-go-without-epic-fight/#disqus_thread
“And government in America will just never stop getting bigger”
Inevitable
https://mises.org/library/rise-and-fall-society
Something drastic would have to happen to upend life for the average Joe for anything like this to happen. Americans are too comfy to be willing to die in a civil conflict.
Yeah the wealthiest most privileged people in human history ain’t gonna do shit. People are so exaggerating the seriousness of their petty politics.
Wait for some kind of global depression or crisis and then we’ll talk.
So us too?
Me neither, sadly. My hope is that the inevitable collectivist victory, when America finally reverts to the mean as it must someday do, happens after my death from old age.
Apres moi, le despair.
Sitting in the waiting room at the doctor’s office and being tortured with Harry Connick Jr.
And now leftie college Prof is raving about Michael Moore and how great he is.
could be CNN………….
Sitting in a sleazy snack bar sucking sickly sausage rolls.
Ugh. That’s a disgusting euphemism.
Better than having onions again.
Disappearing link!
Karla Marx knows who the antisemites are!
Isn’t she the one who married her brother?
Yup. I’m sure she had her reasons, though.
Sexy reasons.
I saw that.
Ladies and gentlemen, the American voter. God help us all.
They say that family is the smallest unit of socialism, so at least she’s walking the walk.
And the left are the ones who separate everyone into small piles and pit them against each other to begin with.
Welp, I just mailed my ballot. And yes, its a secret. I will say that I won’t vote for a politician who is so undisciplined that she actually shows, regularly, her contempt for the people she wants to “represent”, so you can guess who I voted against.
I’m shocked that she has ever polled ahead.
Yes. I don’t know how anyone who isn’t hardcore #RESIST votes for this ridiculous woman, but hey, I don’t generally understand people.
Still polling ahead by 3 points.
I just don’t see it. McSally is a long way from charismatic, but I really can’t see Sinema actually winning the Senate race. FWIW, the airwaves here are just pounding the video clips of her sneering at Arizona and Arizonans. McSally is also running ads saying something I can’t recall seeing before in a campaign – she (well, a proxy) is actually calling Sinema’s attack ads “lies”.
Although, if Sinema wins, it will probably be hard to tell the difference between her and Flake.
RCP average has McSally ahead by a hair as of this morning.
Not that it means anything.
She looks like a girl I went to law school with. Would not vote for.
In person, she is even dimmer than she comes across on camera. As near as I can tell, she owes everything to being a good-looking woman, who’s glasses have somehow convinced people she isn’t an idiot. There doesn’t seem to be much else there.
Just listen to her speak – she sounds like every dimwittedly earnest lefty college girl you’ve ever known.
I haven’t seen this mentioned yet: https://www.rt.com/usa/442566-republican-office-volusia-florida/
Clearly Trump’s fault that someone took some shots at the GOP office in FL.
RT? You Russian bot!
hahahahahaha…Catch the fever that is Betomania!
What a fuckin’ fraud.
Let me go find my shocked face.
Also fun – the NYT, in that story, says Cruz has a “modest lead” and then link their own polling, which shows Cruz up by…..eight points.
Maybe you can say that IS modest by the standards of usual GOP margins in statewide Texas races, but as far as actually winning a race goes, eight points is pretty damned solid.
7 points would have been a “statistical tie”.
Just think – it only took an amount of money greater than the GNP of half of the countries in the world to get this guy in a position to lose by less than ten points!
LOL.
Gonna be some very disappointed proggies.
And I imagine the end of scarcity economics, especially with the upcoming mining of asteroids.
-Tom Sowell
I’m skeptical of claims that technology will create a post-scarcity economy.
Gene Roddenberry has a sad.
Tell Mr. Scott there was no scarcity of Dilithium and he’d laugh in your face.
That was back when Roddenberry was a fervent Great Society Liberal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b56e0u0EgQ
Look what technology has done for food production.