Liquid Smoke

While I was doing my shopping for the latest Glibertarian Beer it Forward I found something fun in the import section.

This is my review of Brauerei Heller — however you pronounce this:

The bottom line with this beer is that it is a German style known as a Rauchbier.  A Rauchbier is a style best known for the malts being smoked.  There is no definitive style, as nearly any German style beer can be smoked, it just depends on what you happen to like.  That day, I picked the Bock.  The style is said to have originated in the city of Bamberg where the cloisters at the local cathedral caught fire, as they were apparently wont to do.  This fire ravaged throughout the city and was eventually put out, but not before the effects of the smoke took affect to the local breweries.  They breweries themselves did not burn down but many of their ingredients were smoked, and they didn’t realize it at the time.  Turns out people liked it, thus Rauchbier is a thing.

This Cathedral, I guess its cool and all….

When I tried to verify if this story is true, I came up a bit short.  The best I could to was verify the cathedral does exist, and it did burn down around the time the origin story takes place.

The cathedral is cool and all, but to be honest there really wasn’t anything there that pops out.  Let’s instead talk about the Orloj, or  sometimes known as the Prague Astronomical Clock.  It has an interesting history if you are in to that sort of thing.  What really stands out is the city councils reaction to such a mechanical wonder.

Upon its completion in 1493, the updated Orloj was undoubtedly the envy of the world, and the Prague city council agreed that Hanuš had fulfilled his promise to the city. In fact, many in the council argued the master had fulfilled it too well—after all, if Hanuš could create such a marvel for the people of Prague, what was to stop him from creating an equally impressive or better work for a rival? In secret, a rogue group of councilmen met to discuss ways of preventing such a loss of prestige for the city. The plan was set into action the day of Hanuš’ payment. Shortly after receiving his gold, the master was waved into an antechamber, held down, and his eyes were burned out with a red-hot iron poker. The newly blinded Hanuš was rightfully furious, and local legend says he retaliated in two ways. Firstly, he laid a curse upon the city of Prague—whenever the Orloj stopped working, the city would suffer horrible misfortune. Secondly, and more accurately, Hanuš sent an apprentice into the tower at night and had the man smash the inner workings of the movement. Prague’s new crown jewel had been broken, and Hanuš’ designs were so far ahead of their time that no one could repair the clock until 1552.

Too bad Hanuš was wrong again, as they stopped the clock for restoration recently.  You have to admit it is cool.

So the moral of the story is…don’t build things for the government?

How is the beer?  it will be polarizing, because as it turns out it really is smoky.  Many craft brewers will take this style and compare it to bacon, and market it as a bacon flavored beer (i.e. Rogue VooDoo Maple Donut).  In a way it does remind me of bacon to some degree.  Otherwise it adds a unusual complexity to what is otherwise, a competently made beer.  Brauerei Heller — however you pronounce this: 3.5/5 

Comments

368 responses to “Liquid Smoke”

  1. Tres Cool

    Needs MOAR earfQUAKE!

    1. straffinrun

      Hit my m’fin music?

      1. Tres Cool

        Have a nice cover song.

  2. Gordilocks

    Hate to distract from the beer review, but I’m sure you’ve all heard about the shooting in Pittsburgh. Well, prior to moving to Ithaca, this was my MILs synagogue, and a place my wife frequented when a child. My in-laws are airBnB’ing their house this weekend and staying with us, so you can imagine that my household are glued to our laptops, and my MIL has been alternating between tears and calling everyone she knows in Pittsburgh.

    I have some chores to do yet, and can’t hang out, but intrepid Twitter autist Nick Monroe has tracked down the shooter already, and his social media trail. Needless to say, complete anti-Semite whack job, and, lo and behold, he’s anti-Trump, too. Here is Nick’s thread, and I’ll leave you to it.

    Hold your people close.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1056210648772812800.html

    1. I’m Here To Help

      This really makes me sick. Hope this guy burns in whatever hell he believes in, and if he is an atheist, I hope his hell is here on earth for the rest of his miserable life.

      There are two synagogues in my area, one of them is the Jewish elementary school. They have a sheriff deputy posted at the entrance all day on school days and during their Shabbat services as well. Makes me sad that this is necessary…

      1. Playa Manhattan

        My kid’s Jewish preschool is the only preschool in Los Angeles with armed guards.

        1. I’m Here To Help

          Wife just got back from running errands. She noticed the synagogue that normally has one sheriff deputy parked out front has three today. She was wondering what was going on until I informed her…

          1. egould310

            Walked by Temple Israel at 8:05 am on the way to get coffee and tea. Everything was normal. Jews arriving and driving terribly. Gigantic black guy security guard sipping coffee. We did the usual “Morning!” coffee cup cheers thing.

          2. Playa Manhattan

            Was he strapped up?

          3. egould310

            Yes.

          4. Playa Manhattan

            good.

          5. egould310

            They renovated the temple 3 years ago. The interior was gutted and refurbished in a very nice and modern style. The exterior also got a modern treatment and the entrance was reoriented to make it easier for ancient Jews to enter the building. And the landscaping is gorgeous. But if you look closely, you realize the boulders in the landscaping, the concrete Temple Isreal sign on the corner, and the new concrete stairs/ramp into the entrance were put into place to most likely prevent a car bomb attack. Hell it would stop a 10 ton truck attack.

    2. mexican sharpshooter

      I’m sorry to hear that. Thats terrible news.

    3. R C Dean

      Not quite sure how he got from “description on radio” to “name fo shooter”, so the 48 hour rule is still in effect.

      Sure looks like that guy could be him, though.

      1. Gordilocks

        KDKA TV in Pittsburgh has confirmed the shooter as the same guy Monroe dug up three hours earlier.

        1. Mr Lizard

          Yes it appears this particular mammal is an actual Nazi that thinks the Hat and Hair have sold out the country to (((((THEM))))).

          Of course the MSM is going to attempt to clip off that last part and go for the two-point conversion on their bomb narrative. Fortunately it looks like people have already archived his twitter account

    4. Sensei

      I try to run on news blackout on weekends. Now you made me check. Damn, I just read the headlines and it’s awful.

    5. DEG

      Sorry.

    6. Mojeaux

      This is awful.

    7. Surely the media will be taking Farrkhan to task for this, given his violent rhetoric and all.

      1. Chafed

        Wouldn’t that be wonderful.

        1. Chafed

          Wait, I forgot he’s not responsible because reasons.

    8. Count Potato

      Sorry 🙁

    9. robc

      2 down, 4 to go. I will submit a review of all 6 after done. I liked the inclusion of local newspapers.

      1. robc

        Didn’t read post, feel like an ass. Prayers for your family.

  3. Old Man With Candy

    I *think* that this was a beer we had in France once, courtesy of some German friends. One of only two beers SP has ever found drinkable.

    1. mexican sharpshooter

      Because it smells like bacon?

      1. PieInTheSky

        vegan bacon

    2. Nephilium

      It’s pretty widely distributed in the US. I love me a good smoked beer.

    3. robc

      A friend of mine loves it with sausage pizza.

  4. Luther Baldwin

    FWIW, Bamberg is one of the prettiest cities I’ve ever visited.

    1. mexican sharpshooter

      It does look like a cool place to visit. Everything that came up in the rabbit hole were tourist sites.

      1. Luther Baldwin

        And it’s not some boring tourist trap either, it’s a cool small city – near where I lived in Deutschland ages ago.

  5. Gustave Lytton

    Very interesting clock. Wiki clarifies that a number of the features were added later. Still quite impressive.

    1. Juan-Baptiste Emmanuel Seguin

      I got to see it in person 3 years ago…its a beautiful piece of engineering.

  6. DEG

    I like Rauchbier, and this is a good one.

    I haven’t been to Bamberg yet, but at some point I will go.

    If you watch the Prague Astronomical Clock show, watch out for pickpockets. They tend to work the crowds that gather in front of the clock.

    1. Nephilium

      Have you had the Alaskan Smoked Porter? A really good one from Alaska (go figure), they smoke their malt locally for it.

      1. DEG

        No, they don’t distribute out here. Ohio is as far east in the US as they go.

        I have seen their beer at the Beer King in Amsterdam.

      2. AlmightyJB

        Haven’t yet acquired a taste for the smoked beers.

        1. Nephilium

          If you’re looking to ease into them, look for a smoked porter or stout. Those generally tone down the smoke notes, and (when done right) work well with the roast notes that are already there.

          1. AlmightyJB

            I have had a smoked porter. I probably need to branch out more and give them another chance.

          2. AlmightyJB

            I didn’t like bourbon barrel beers at first but now I do.

  7. Spudalicious

    Just after they catch a Trump loving nutjob mail bomber, an antisemitic, Trump hating nazi nutjob shoots up a temple. Let’s see how the msm tries to spin this one.

    Boise plays at Air Force today, I think I’ll pick up a couple of specialty brews for the game.

    1. Playa Manhattan

      I was thinking the same thing. Only one of those things led to injury and death, so…. they’re in a tough spot.

    2. Just after they catch a Trump loving nutjob mail bomber, an antisemitic, Trump hating nazi nutjob shoots up a temple. Let’s see how the msm tries to spin this one.

      The first one means that Trump is a meanie and should shut up. The second one means we need gun control.

      I hate that one of my first thoughts after these types of tragedies is “you need to buy an AR before you aren’t allowed to anymore”

      1. DEG

        I hate that one of my first thoughts after these types of tragedies is “you need to buy an AR before you aren’t allowed to anymore”

        Buying more guns immediately crossed my mind when I heard the news.

        1. I’m Here To Help

          The morning after the nightclub shooting in Orlando I went out and got my M1A, bolt action 308, and a .45 pistol…

          1. The M1A is still on my shortlist. I’m also tempted to get a basic AR since I have nothing in 223.

          2. Timeloose

            Was athe gun shop this morning. They had some great stuff. M16 length AR used who no miles. A whole bunch of Sig cop guns that had only 80 rounds through them. I was tempted, but I picked up a angled fore grip for my keltec sub 2000.

          3. Sean

            You should stock up now while the prices are crazy low.

          4. BakedPenguin

            I used to read Shotgun News. They had great deals on surplus guns.

          5. I’m Here To Help

            I got a really good deal on a SOCOM 16 used – store didn’t even realize that it was a Springfield M1A. I took it out of the horrible ninja-mall tacticool stock and put it in a surplus military wood frame. Beautiful gun, and surprisingly accurate at 100 yards with iron sights.

          6. I hate when people do that to beautiful guns.

          7. AlmightyJB

            M1As are great guns. I have Sig 716 that I got a deal on from a buddy that I really like but would love to have one of those as well.

        2. AlmightyJB

          I bought my Colt AR A2 during Clinton before they passed the supposed ban that wasn’t a ban but liberals freaked out when it expired anyways. Still have it.

    3. FOS

      U like that convict orange do ya?

      Go Vandals

      1. Spudalicious

        Who? :p

    4. Not an Economist

      Well Trump has normalized bigotry (including anti-antisemitism) and violence so it his and his fellow Republicans fault.

      1. Not an Economist

        Woops, didn’t mean anti-antisemitism, just antisemitism.

        1. BakedPenguin

          It’s funny how he magically did that. I seem to remember him waving a rainbow flag on stage in front of a crowd of gay people. Yet he is somehow a total homophobe. He’s also somehow a total anti-Semite despite having a good relationship with his Jewish son-in-law.

          1. Not an Economist

            I seem to remember him participating in a gay wedding in the 1980’s and bullying a private country club to admit minorities. Just more proof he is a bigot.

          2. Akira

            I seem to remember him waving a rainbow flag on stage in front of a crowd of gay people. Yet he is somehow a total homophobe.

            Yea, I never fucking understood that one. I mean, I don’t think he’s a white supremacist or a misogynist, but at least they can bring up things he’s done or said that they use as evidence (even if they’re distorted and taken out of context).

            But I don’t see any evidence of his homophobia whatsoever. It seems to be something they just toss in there for shits and giggles.

          3. BakedPenguin

            They make up so much shit about the guy, you’d think he had no actual issues.

          4. Chafed

            That’s just it. It’s constant culture war bullshit that gets reported. Outside of the WSJ I don’t see too much reporting on implemented policies.

  8. Nephilium

    For those who care, this is the amount of free glassware I accumulated through Cleveland Beer Week this year. Missing from this picture was a Platform/Brewnuts Holiday Donut coffee mug. All of these glasses were free with a beer, or part of a ticketed event.

    1. DEG

      Nice!

    2. Timeloose

      Nice bar by the way.

      1. Nephilium

        Thanks. It was here when I bought the place. The decoration is all me, and I’m almost out of room for tin signs.

        1. Timeloose

          Nugget nectar is sill my favorite strong hoppy beer.

          1. Nephilium

            I’m spoiled by choices here. I’ve got Fat Head’s and the Brew Kettle within 10 miles of my house. Both are known for some world class IPA’s (Head Hunter and White Rajah).

    3. Chafed

      That’s quite a haul. Why come nothing with Babylon 5 logo?

      1. Nephilium

        Find me a brewery/bar in my area giving away a free B5 glass, and I’ll be there. I think the most I spent for any of the decorations on the wall by the bar is ~$25. Unfortunately, one of the nicer things was a gift from my sister, and has my last name on it… so not going to make it that easy to dox me.

  9. CPRM

    Of course, she’s crazy unlike other people who believe they are other things: African-American teen insists she’s white, says black people are ‘ghetto’ and ‘ugly’

    1. Luther Baldwin

      I wanted them to understand that they were African-American as opposed to thinking they were mixed-race children.

      Um… there is every chance she’s “mixed” anyway.

      Anyhoo – after all the recent trans kerfuffle I was waiting for something like this, and it doesn’t disappoint.

      1. CPRM

        The last paragraph is the juiciest when you compare it.

        “Good mental health means having a preference for reality,” says Marshall. “If this teen truly believes she is white, she may suffer from a variety of anxiety disorders; it’s impossible to know from a TV episode, but she’s likely driven by the attention from her antics.”

        1. Luther Baldwin

          People are talking about that 16 year old self hating Black child from the Dr. Phil show, but let’s not ignore that her mother is a straight up Bed Wench who was married to a suspected white supremacist, who essentially poisoned the mind of that Black child.

          Tariq never disappoints either.

          1. Suthenboy

            “…from the Dr. Phil show…”

            Ok then.

        2. So Elizabeth Warren is mentally ill.

    2. Mojeaux

      She sounds like she has bigger psych issues. “If I gave a homeless person a dollar I would take it back to see the sadness in his eyes.” Lack of empathy.

      My money’s on narcissism, sociopathy.

      1. Luther Baldwin

        Maybe she took a wrong on the way to Maury and wound up on Dr. Phil instead.

      2. AlmightyJB

        They all tend to go together.

    3. AlmightyJB

      A teen wanting attention? Inconceivable.

    4. Tres Cool

      Chappelle did it already with Clayton Bigsby

    5. commodious spittoon

      I’ve mentioned before my Detroit-born, Texas-raised black ex hated ghetto n—ers. (Her words.) Imagining blacks are uniform in their solidarity and antipathy for whites is an invention of the racist regressive left.

    6. Juan-Baptiste Emmanuel Seguin

      I dated a jamaican girl that had a similar attitude about African americans.

      1. BakedPenguin

        commodius & Juan-Baptiste, my brother married a woman from Ghana. She has a fair amount of contempt for much of African-American culture.

        1. spqr2008

          The Ghanaian women I worked with at a large retailer in Columbus, Ohio were very dismissive of people from other parts of Africa and African American culture in general. The only people they liked we’re the ones that, “acted white”.

    7. Chafed

      Rachel Dozier in reverse?

  10. Nephilium

    Brewing today, and today when I was picking up my grains, I heard words that made no sense to me.

    We’re out of 2-row

    WTF? You’re owned by the same people who own a brewery across the street (and a production facility down the road), how the fuck do you run out of the most basic of base malts? They were also out of Maris Otter. So the American Pale Ale I’m making today is using Pale malt as the base, and the Mild I’m making tomorrow is using Golden Promise.

    1. CPRM

      To quote The Hat: ‘Yeah, I don’t understand most of those words either.’

      1. Nephilium

        To make beer, you need malted grain (traditionally barley). The base malt is the backbone of the grain bill (what you’ll be using), and supplies the enzymes that will convert the starches in the grain to sugar that yeast will turn into alcohol. The two most common base malts are known as 2-row an 6-row (based on how the barley looks on the stalk). 6-row has more of the enzymes, and is used in most industrial beer brewing (AB-InBev) where a large amount of adjuncts (non-barley fermentables) are used. For craft brewers and home brewers, 2-row is the traditional base malt. Pale malt, Maris Otter, and Golden Promise are all specific types of base malts that are generally grown from heirloom varieties of barley.

        1. makin’ beer

          Extract for me still.

        2. egould310

          Thanks for the info Neph. I was just enjoying a brew at this place Wednesday evening https://yelp.to/qTKq/ozAsOs7umR and I was looking at pallets of 2-row and thought to myself, “What’s that all about?” The beer was good. Had a couple of ipa’s.

          1. Nephilium

            Not a problem… I can talk beer for days and extra days. First time after homebrewing going into a production area and seeing the 50 lb. bags of malt made me realize the scale of professional brewing (for a frame of reference, my 5 gallon batch today is using 11 lb. of grain, the one tomorrow is only 7 lb.).

    2. Nephilium

      And miscalculated my sparge water. Oh well, instead of a 60 minute boil, it’ll be a 90 minute boil.

  11. Suthenboy

    Ok, I just got pissed off.
    I looked at the twitter thingy above and I see a photo of a guy playacting in dress up and pulling his AR out of a bag or whatever. He is on the scene and he is ‘prepping his rifle’.
    He is prepping his rifle after he is on the scene? Jesus.
    That is not how it is done. You drive your car as fast as you can to the scene. You jump out of your car with your rifle ready to go in your pajamas if you have to. You kick the fucking door in and rush in as fast as you can, nail the shooter or get nailed, which ever.

    1. Rebel Scum

      They set up a perimeter. What more do you want? //jk

      1. Suthenboy

        I want those chickenshit cocksuckers fired.

    2. Gustave Lytton

      That’s one of the things that bothers me about the Las Vegas shooting. Leaving aside everything else and taking the official report as gospel:
      – officers respond to the floor below (which the security guard taking fire had already reported was blocked) instead of the actual floor
      – none of the numerous police outside, many on OT, return fire with their rifles
      – inside they wait for SWAT to enter the room almost 45 minutes after the start and 30 minutes after the shooting stops. But heh, no more shots so it’s all ok, right?

      Goddamit, if he’s firing at you, he’s not firing at someone else. It’s your one fucking job to keep his attention for as long as you humanly can. It just pisses me off. They get paid for “risk”, which isn’t there most of the time and when it does happen, it’s officer safety so sorry. I’d rather have 20 dead officers in the halls of the hotel than 60 dead non officers outside. That is their job.

      1. Akira

        They get paid for “risk”, which isn’t there most of the time and when it does happen, it’s officer safety so sorry. I’d rather have 20 dead officers in the halls of the hotel than 60 dead non officers outside. That is their job.

        Exactly. If they want to be venerated as heroes, they need to act like it.

      2. Chafed

        “That is their job.” That’s what you and I think job is. The police union not so much.

        1. DEG

          Exactly. They get paid to go home at night.

  12. PieInTheSky

    Tonight is daylight savings round this part. May be the very last one the EU is close to abolishing it

    1. The Bearded Hobbit

      Next weekend for most of the US. I will be on travel. Joy.

      I wish the time change would go away here.

      … Hobbit

        1. BakedPenguin

          Thirded.

          Also, my sympathy for those in Pittsburgh. No one deserves that.

      1. AlmightyJB

        I look forward to the one next weekend, its when we switch to DST in the Spring and lose an hour that I can do without.

        1. MikeS

          #metoo

        2. CPRM

          But last year they messed up my online pizza order because of the change.

        3. Hyperion

          You and everyone else on the planet.

  13. Playa Manhattan

    Twitter is fucking disgusting.

    1. PieInTheSky

      The code behind the app? Or the company?

      1. Playa Manhattan

        The people.

        1. AlmightyJB

          It’s the idiots that get all of the attention whether on Twitter or having their own news show. Must feed the outrage machine.

          1. Outrage helps burn calories. It’s the only exercise some of these people get.

  14. AlmightyJB

    Ham and bean soup in crock pot. Happy happy, joy joy.

  15. Spudalicious

    Okay, today’s football beer wil be a choice between “Dragon’s Breath” bourbon barrel aged stout from New Holland and “Dark Daisy” chocolate milk stout from Boise Brewing. Probably the latter because I’ve had the DB before.

    I also have an Imperial Winter Ale and a Barleywine in the pantry but I’m not up for 13-14% beer today.

    1. Nephilium

      *cough*

      Dragon’s Milk.

      And the barrel’s it comes out of are used to finish one of my favorite bourbons.

      1. Spudalicious

        Oops. Deagon’s Milk. Dragons Breath is what I have the morning after smoking cigars and drinking bourbon.

    2. Yusef drives a Kia

      The Dragons Breath is a Great one, why not both?

      1. Spudalicious

        Too much beer for me. I’ll have to switch to a small glass with a splash of amber liquid in it after consuming one.

        1. egould310

          That reminds me. I’m going to go pour a Jim Beam. It’s noon.

          1. Yusef drives a Kia

            Not yet, I’ll take my chores sober, maybe after 2….
            /Tall Cans!

          2. BakedPenguin

            I’m drinking cider. Sorry Mexican Sharpshooter, drinking off topic.

          3. Nephilium

            Man, I stopped here this morning, grabbed a pint and a six pack to go, then walked across the street to get my brewing supplies. Wort chiller is in, getting ready for the last two hop additions, then I’m done with “work” for the day.

          4. egould310

            Upper Wilds are playing at the Happy Dog tonight. Obnox is the headliner. Should be a good show.

          5. BakedPenguin

            Neph: “C’est What” is a great name for a beer, even if it’s not the one you got.

            egould: I’m probably going to jam with a guitarist tonight, whom I played with in a band 25 years ago or so. So there.

            But not in Cleveland.

          6. Nephilium

            I grabbed the C’est What last week or the week before, and I concur that it’s an awesome name for a beer. I’m also a fan of the Basic Beach for the name.

            Beer is in the carboy, came in at 1.052 (within 5 points of my initial predictions), should finish at just over 5% ABV, perfect for a light hoppy Thanksgiving beer.

          7. BakedPenguin

            Neph: Hope the brew goes well.

          8. Nephilium

            BP: The brew is done, based on the wort, I hit what I was looking for (an easy drinking mildly hopped pale ale). Now it’s just a matter of letting the yeast do their job. Tomorrow is the even easier beer, a British Mild, which should come in at about 3% ABV with a nice caramel backbone. Both should be done and carbed up for Thanksgiving.

      2. DEG

        Yusef has a great idea.

    3. Old Man With Candy

      We’re drinking reasonably well today. As you know…

    1. “taking or using some aspect of someone else’s heritage without permission…”

      And if one gets permission is there some kind of tag on a lanyard to wear, some form of membership card?

      1. Oh, no, it’s like a “May Issue” permit. You have to be connected to the right people to get a ‘pass’, which can only be issued pos-hoc, and can be revoked at any time.

      2. Chafed

        If I want to dress as Black Lightning or Cyborg because I dig those characters who do I ask for permission? Cornel West? Spike Lee? Jesse Jackson? AL Sharpton? DC Comics?

        This stuff boggles my mind. If my (white) daughter wants to dress as Serena Williams it’s because she admires her. She hasn’t taken anything from any African American. She’s honoring an African American. It’s an homage. I’d swear I heard a really great piece of advice about judging people based on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. I missed the part about only doing this for people of the same race, gender, ethnicity, etc etc.

  16. MikeS

    re: Rogue VooDoo Donut

    That is the best breakfast beer I have ever had. Do they still make it?

    1. Nephilium

      Which one? They cycle through some of them, and if you’re talking about the Maple Bacon Voodoo donut… then I’ve got a world of better breakfast beers to recommend to you.

      1. MikeS

        That’s the one I was talking about, but it’s been many years since I had it, so my love is probably more nostalgia than anything. It was one of the first beers that opened my eyes to something other than BMC.

        1. Nephilium

          Whew… you get Founder’s up there in the frosty north, right? Get yourself some Breakfast Stout (or if you can swing it, the Kentucky or Canadian variants).

          1. MikeS

            I see Breakfast Stout every time I’m in there and never pull the trigger for some reason. Always something else catching my eye. I’ll get it next time.

          2. Nephilium

            Do It!

            And remember it took a couple of years for Michigan to catch on that it had a picture of a child on the label.

          3. MikeS

            Haha. I love the bowl/cup. Excellent vessel for that beer.

            Yeah, we have the baby on the bottle up here. Michigan’s regs on that are plain silly. It’s a great label.

          4. Nephilium

            It’s an oversized coffee mug. I’ve got several of them (yet another free glass that was handed out in years past).

          5. AlmightyJB

            Seconded on Founder’s Breakfast Stout. Delish.

          6. DEG

            Thirded on Founder’s Breakfast Stout.

            NH prohibited the bottles but allowed the kegs because of the baby on the label. The legislature eventually changed the law.

            On June 2nd, New Hampshire Gov. Maggie Hassan (D) vetoed a measure that allowed images of minors to appear on alcohol labels in the state. One label at the core of the debate is the Founders Breakfast Stout label, featuring a baby eating oatmeal.

            Wednesday, Senators joined the house in overriding Hassan’s veto of the legislation. Rep. Keith Murphy, owner of Murphy’s Taproom in Manchester, New Hampshire, originally sponsored the legislation, in order to gain the ability to sell the beer in bottles.

          7. I need to try that one again – may have had a bad batch, but that was one Stout that did not work for me – frustrating given the very high marks it consistently has. Maybe just too strong in the flavor.

          8. Nephilium

            It’s a big bold stout. Oatmeal, chocolate, and coffee working in harmony to bring an overpowering flavor and mouthfeel together. The Kentucky variant is a modified recipe, aged in bourbon barrels. Those bourbon barrels are then used to age maple syrup, and those barrels come back to hold the glory that is the Canadian breakfast stout (due out in the next couple of weeks).

            But if you don’t like it, that’s fine. More for me.

          9. I enjoy most of Hardywood’s ridiculous lineup of barrel-aged stouts (https://hardywood.com/beers/) – esp since they’re seasonal and come out on almost a weekly release schedule – but they are very strong and flavorful and need to be drunk slow (learned that the hard way last year). Still have a few bottles from last winter – should probably try and wrap them up before picking up the new batch.

            I’ll give FBS another shot though.

            Drank my half-growler (32oz) of Great Adirondack Rhuberry Tart last night. Very good. Definitely need to visit them again next year (or whenever I make it up there again).

  17. Speaking of Dragons…who do they make the massive Gulden Draak oversized bottles for? Is it for parties/special occasions? I mean it’s great beer….but that’s a LOT of great beer.

    1. Mr Lizard

      I have seen those bottles as well. They are truly one of the more elegant creations by your species.

    2. Playa Manhattan

      Sometimes, Gulden Draak is too much.

      It’s almost…. syrupy.

      1. The Brewmasters version is definitely a “dessert” beer – works great with a bread pudding or something else Europey. The standard model is basically my default “Belgian” (Chimay is a close 2nd) – but I wouldn’t have considered it low ABV comparatively speaking.

        1. AlmightyJB

          Both very good beer. Chimay is like drinking a loaf of bread. In a good way.

    3. Nephilium

      Are you talking about the Magnums (1.5 Liter)? Those can be used for special occasions, I have a couple of them for the Anchor Our Special Ale from years past (they hold up quite well for a low ABV beer).

  18. Sean

    Hey Suthen…following up on that Viridian laser. The holster that came with it is sub par. Turns out a company called Alien Gear makes a holster for use with the laser system. It has a magnet already installed to turn the laser on and off. I ordered one on Thursday and it arrived today. It’s a world of difference and might be my new edc. Wearing it now to start breaking it in. It’s the cloak tuck 3.5.

    1. Suthenboy

      Good.
      I am thinking of getting one of these for my Kimber:

      https://www.crimsontrace.com/products/manufacturer/1911-pistols/01-1200

      The problem is that my wife was gone out of town for a week. She goes with her buddies to the beach for a week every october. In the week while she was gone I spent a whopping 35 bucks. I bought a quart of milk, a can of biscuits, a pack of boudin, and a bottle of vodka. I didn’t suffer one bit. I realized that if I lived alone I would be up to my eyeballs in money. Now I am choking on the idea of spending 350 bucks on something I can easily live without.

      1. I’d be happy to take some of that money off of you.

        1. commodious spittoon

          Mm… thinking french onion tonight. Got a hankering.

          1. commodious spittoon

            Start reply, refresh, start new comment at bottom of thread, comment appears as reply.

          2. Nephilium

            I’ve found if I click reply, and I don’t do a hard refresh of the page (Ctrl-F5) then any later new comments go back to that original reply.

          3. You have to hit reply to some comment and then hit cancel reply to fix it without hard refreshing.

          4. commodious spittoon

            Ahh… that makes sense. I didn’t know about the hard refresh. Should have figured you’re getting a cached page.

      2. Sean

        Amazon has them for $209.

    2. Looks like a good holster! I may get one for my m&p shield.

      1. Sean

        It’s my first from them. I’m impressed with the design, the fast shipping, and reasonable pricing. It comes with extra hardware, a 30 day return window, lifetime garauntee, & free shell swap.

        The clip design is very cool too.

  19. Spudalicious

    I did an Italian pot roast Thursday night. This afternoon I ground up the left over meat with some pork, added my other ingredients and turned them into meatballs. I’m really pleased with how they turned out. Browned and them simmered in the leftover pot roast sauce, they should go very well with a stout.

    1. Akira

      What was in your pot roast?

      I usually make my pot roast with mirepoix, garlic, Italian herbs, and red wine. After the meat is tender, I put it aside and take a stick blender to the liquid in the pot, then boil it for a while to reduce it before adding the beef back in. It’s excellent over polenta with some parsley and freshly grated Asiago on top (and of course, the rest of the wine for you to drink).

      1. Spudalicious

        I had an arm roast in the freezer. I make my standard spaghetti sauce, minus the meat, and braise the browned roast in it in the oven for several hours. I used it for sandwiches Thursday night. Typically the leftovers go into a baked pasta dish but I wanted to do something different.

    2. Playa Manhattan

      I’m experimenting with veal bones that I mistakenly purchased today. So far, so good.

      1. Spudalicious

        Making a stock with them?

        1. Playa Manhattan

          Yes, but eventually, it’ll be a pan sauce.

          1. Spudalicious

            Yum. Veal demi glacé ftw.

    3. Gustave Lytton

      Beef soup. Marrow bones for broth in one pot and stew beef with some veg & spices in the other. Would have put the broth in to start but didn’t have it ready. Should be ready in another two hours.

    4. pistoffnick

      Deer rifle season opens next weekend in Minnesota. I am the camp cook, I spent today making Venison Texas Red Chili and Colorado Green Chile. I’ll make the Chicken Curry and the Venison Pastys tomorrow before the football game. The meal for the night before opening is Venison Stroganoff.

      We eat like kings and drink like fishes. We also have a lot of fun. I can’t wait!

      My hunting buddies: 3 stay at home dads who are married to gynecologists, an architect, a printer, and a politician.

      1. Sean

        My hunting buddies: 3 stay at home dads who are married to gynecologists, an architect, a printer, and a politician.

        Do you want to recheck that equation?

        1. MikeS

          I read it as an architect, a printer, and a politician; each married to a gynecologist. Which is weird enough.

        2. pistoffnick

          Nope 3 stay at home dads (who all happen to be married to gynecologists), 1 architect, 1 printer and a damn politician. 6 plus me

  20. Not an Economist

    In a battle that shall be remember for all eternity, American sailors and marines conquered a most formidable foe.

    The battle was hard fought but in the end America won. USA! USA! USA!

    1. Spudalicious

      Way to show up the German soldiers!

    2. BakedPenguin

      Ha HA! Suck it, Iceland, our boys can drink harder than you!

      Well, …um… great job.

  21. Playa Manhattan

    So…. Pliny the Elder shipment came in last night, and my secret contact sold me 4 today. One right now while I do meal prep, one for the Cal game, and the rest for game 4 of the World Series.

    For dinner…. 48 Hour Short ribs.. I’m trying to crank out a new pan sauce, so I got some roasting bones to make stock for reduction. As it turns out, I accentually bought frozen veal knuckle instead of beef marrow bones. I roasted them with red onion and parsley at 450 for 45 minutes, and am in the process of simmering them in distilled water. Every though they need 3 more hours to simmer, I helped myself to a sample. Best flavor I’ve gotten out of bones. Ever. The end product should be pretty rich; I’m not even going to add wine.

    Side: Yukon Gold garlic mash. I should include some greens, but you don’t win friends with salad.

    1. commodious spittoon

      Why distilled?

      1. Playa Manhattan

        I’m reducing it by at least 90%, and concentrated tap water tastes like shit. Hell, even regular strength tap water here is gross.

    2. Spudalicious

      I think veal bones actually make a better stock.

      1. Playa Manhattan

        It’s all I’m going to use from now on. I might even take this all the way down to a Demi if I have time.

    3. Tulip

      Spudalicious and OMWC shared a salad that would win friends. Baked goat cheese and champagne dressing.

      1. Playa Manhattan

        I was going to do the classic roasted shallot/bacon fat viniagrette, but my wife cleaned out the fridge this morning. ALWAYS ASK. My bacon fat is gone.

        1. Spudalicious

          That is a crime against humanity.

      2. AlmightyJB

        I just had some yummy ham and bean soup that’s been simmering all day. Large Pork Roast going in the crock pot tomorrow all day.

        1. Sean

          We did take out. I still had a want for bbq, so we went here https://m.facebook.com/JessesBarbecue/

          Currently in a meat stupor.

          1. Does Jesse’s Barbecue serve crepes, too?

          2. Sean

            I was going to do a smoked meat entendre, but decided against it.

          3. Spudalicious

            Did you get the meat sweats?

          4. Sean

            I cooled off with some scotch.

          5. AlmightyJB

            I was thinking about bbq ribs early. Need to get my fix soon.

    1. AlmightyJB

      As was said earlier. They have to project their moral shortcomings onto others so they can pretend they’re righteous. Pretend to themselves and everyone else. That’s what all the social signaling is about as well.

      1. BakedPenguin

        They have to project their moral shortcomings onto others…

        They project everything. I don’t think I’ve seen a description of their “enemies” in the past two years that didn’t better describe them.

    2. Wow, man. Yep, that’s derangement alright. I mean, certifiable. Those folks are somewhere on the evil-insane matrix.

    3. AlmightyJB

      I accidentally clicked on your name. Damn that’s fine.

      1. Tig ole’ bitties.

    4. Soyboy

      “When all you have is a hammer…”

      1. Mr Lizard

        WHEN ALL YOU HAVE IS STEVE SMITH…

    5. Suthenboy

      Think they are crazy now? Wait until after the mid-terms.
      If they dont come out ahead they will try to burn the country down, literally.

    6. Not Adahn

      Yeah, Ken White has joined in the “Trump is an anti-semite!” crowd on twitter. He’s gone full-bore conspiracy theorist.

      He’s also taking the pro-deplatforming side at a debate at Reason HQ. One of the LA glibs should go rustle his jimmies.

      1. leon

        To be fair Hans Herman Hoppe took the Pro-Deplatforming stance on Michael Malice’s podcast.

        1. Luther Baldwin

          I’m not even sure what “pro-deplatforming” even means – seems like there are several possible interpretations. Mine would be “they are private entities and can do what they want”. Is that pro?

          1. Stinky Wizzleteats

            Hoppe is pro applying social pressure against (what he considers) odious viewpoints and deplatforming and even physical removal if necessary.

          2. leon

            (note he did say “Physical Removal” meant that people would be distant and that due to social pressures. That people should be “de-platformed” and pressured to leave if they are not wanted in a society, esp re: communists and libertarians, that these ideologies are incompatible and it’s best if they live separately but peacefully.)

          3. Stinky Wizzleteats

            Ah, I was listening at work and missed bits and pieces. For the most part I can get on board with what he’s saying then.

          4. Luther Baldwin

            Who gets to decide which thoughts are intolerable to “society”…?

          5. Gustave Lytton

            The Stonecutters?

          6. Heroic Mulatto

            he did say “Physical Removal” meant that people would be distant and that due to social pressures.

            That’s interesting and addresses one of my concerns with Triple H’s concept, in that I wondered how it didn’t violate the NAP.

            That having been said, what happens if the people are stubborn assholes? Plenty of groups have successfully ghettoized and lived in fully self-sufficient communities within a body politic.

      2. Stinky Wizzleteats

        Trump the anti-Semite who has a converted Jewish daughter and a Jewish SIL who cozies up to Israel way more than Obama did? Popehat needs to put on a dunce cap.

        1. Luther Baldwin

          “Some of my best friends relatives are Jewish!”

      3. Count Potato

        Ken White used to seem sane. TDS is a helluva drug.

      4. Playa Manhattan

        I’m pretty disappointed in Ken.

        I owe him a steak dinner, but it’s probably never going to happen now,

        1. Count Potato

          How do you own him a steak? Apparently, he blocked Sloop on Twitter.

  22. Spudalicious

    The chocolate milk stout is not what I expected. The chocolate notes lean more to the cocoa powder end of the spectrum complete with a little bittersweet bite on the finish. It’s also light in body than the Dragon’s Milk. I’m liking it.

    1. Yusef drives a Kia

      Both won out? Yippee!

      1. Spudalicious

        Actually, I’m comparing it to the bottle of Dragon’s Milk I had last week but yeah, I will be breaking into it today too. I’ll end up finishing it tomorrow.

    2. Nephilium

      I haven’t had it, but it coming in at 6% would explain why it’s a lighter body. On the colder nights, I really can enjoy those heavy thick stouts. Today, I’ve been going slow with L.E.D. lager. A nice easy drinking beer, and I have successfully killed off the Imperial Pils that I had on tap (and wasn’t happy with). So tomorrow is cleaning beer lines, and later tonight is starting work on the Imperial Stout I’ve had on tap all summer.

  23. Yusef drives a Kia

    I just found out my otherwise normal Friend has terminal TDS, I was shocked, He was a Caricature of the Left.
    Trump Traitor!
    TRAITOR! KAVANAUGH BAD!
    I still don’t believe This guy would go all partisan, Because he Gave this Man so much power over his Life,
    /sad

    1. Luther Baldwin

      Have you seen any MSM news? I was watching a sporting event on NBC that Trump took over and the first fucking question from a reporter was (I paraphrase) “are you finally going to do something about guns?”

      If people are getting terminal TDS it’s because they’re watching the news.

      1. Yusef drives a Kia

        ” IVE SEEN EVERY VIDEO OF HIM SPEAKING!!! HE”S A TRAITOR!!!!!!”
        /Seriously warped sense of reality, maybe an NPC?

    1. commodious spittoon
  24. juris imprudent

    Spaghetti sauce is resounding success. Since pasta, sauce and garlic bread go best with dry, red wine, the rest of that growler of Russian Imperial Stout will just have to wait to tomorrow.

    1. Playa Manhattan

      Depends on how much wine you have left.

  25. Tres Cool

    So…what do SQHM mean on the side of the glass ?

    1. Shitty quality hops and malt?

      1. Tres Cool

        Today I learned……

  26. robc

    Rauchbier is one of 3 types of bier I won’t drink. It and stouts just don’t do it for me. American wheats should not exist. Use a frickin here yeast!

    American light lagers are spoiled water so not included.

    1. Nephilium

      You can take my Hop Sun and Sun Crusher from my cold dead hands. Of course, they’re more a summer thing. One could say that now it’s stout season…

      1. robc

        Hefeweizens are year round. And better in the summer. The yeast makes the wheat.

        1. Nephilium

          Hefe’s are good as well. I could do without the bocks and pumpkin beers though.

          1. DEG

            No bocks? More for me!

          2. kinnath

            Have you tried any of the beers yet?

          3. DEG

            Tonight I will start.

          4. kinnath

            Excellent.

          5. Nephilium

            Of course. Anything going that far on the sweet side can be all yours. Every time I try one of those now I think back to a time I volunteered to judge at a homebrew competition, and was in the light hybrid category. One of the beers was a cream ale that I think the brewer forgot to pitch yeast entirely. It was chilled sweet wort (with a touch of carbonation).

  27. Soyboy

    Full speed ahead with the purging of Gab.

    The internet is fascinating. You still with great haste and much clarity how people and institutions consolidate their power, via propaganda, censorship, poisoning the well.

    1. Soyboy

      The shooter can be very happy to know that he’s achieved his goals. What were they again? “1. Shoot up a Pittsburgh synagogue. 2. ??? 3. Globalism ends!” What a fucking dumbass. But hey, your alternatice platforms will be disappeared, at least you accomplished that

    2. Luther Baldwin

      Full speed ahead with the purging of Gab.

      Yeah, it’s toast.

    3. Mojeaux

      Wait, what?

      1. Count Potato

        Paypal dropped them, and Twitter cut them off.

        1. Mojeaux

          *sigh*

          1. Count Potato

            I got the tea from the world’s greatest autist, but I’m waiting to see if there is an 8 o’clock post.

    4. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Most of these nutcases have Twitter and Facebook accounts from what I’ve seen. Hell, the idiot attempted bomber had a Twitter account with Tweets that obviously violated their terms. Why aren’t they being cut off?

      1. Luther Baldwin

        Twitter is deeply sorry.

        Not that the whole thing isn’t a farce.

      2. Count Potato

        Twitter bans and un-verifies users for a number of reasons. Apparently, calling jews “termites” isn’t one of them.

        1. Stinky Wizzleteats

          Good old Farrakhan, the man’s bulletproof apparently.

    1. MikeS

      Alex, a.k.a. “Sliderman”

    2. Count Potato

      ““I told them I make a sex toy for men focusing on recreating the blowjob experience, and asked if they could use AI to study what really happens during blowjobs, so that I could make my machine give blowjobs like a human,” Sloan told me in an email. “That was enough to cause seven companies to tell me almost immediately that the ‘work was not for them.’ When I asked why, they didn’t want to talk about why.”

      That eighth team said yes, and produced the Blowjob Paper, which Sloan said he paid $30,000 for. But for all the beautiful calculations and data collection methods this research holds, one thing is conspicuously missing in the paper: the names of the authors. There are no names on this paper, no research teams to credit, no institutions claiming responsibility for this work. The scientists did the work anonymously because they believed their other clients might drop them if they were publicly associated with it.”

      LOLOLOLOLOL

      1. Tulip

        $30,000 seems very low. I’m not buying it.

    3. Luther Baldwin

      Yeah, no – I’m not volunteering to test that.

    4. Playa Manhattan

      The letterhead would indicate that things went horribly wrong.

  28. Tres Cool

    We had a brief power-interruption here in SW Ohio for a couple hours. Consequently, I made white chili w/chicken in the near dark.
    I’ll be damned if it’s not about my best work yet. Or Im drunk.

    1. Count Potato

      Why not both?

      1. Tres Cool

        You are a genius.

        1. Sean

          What does Demi Rose think about that?

          1. Tres Cool

            Don’t start him

    2. Nephilium

      Yeah… it’s been raining since yesterday afternoon. Gods damn it, there is no chance for a fire this weekend. The remainder of the chocolate bars for s’mores have now been tossed into the Halloween candy bowl for Wednesday.

  29. Count Potato

    Isn’t there an 8 o’clock post on Saturdays?

    1. Tres Cool

      They’re toying with us, from up above, in seats of inscrutable power. Just accept your role.

      1. MikeS

        It’s the damn Glibiarchy!

    2. Spudalicious

      I know that a good chunk of the staff is currently pretty toasty.

      1. Tres Cool

        Let me guess- you’re dog-stting that thing, and already out of pizza ?

    3. Playa Manhattan

      We have an open position. It pays nothing.

      1. Nephilium

        Wait, so there’s no check coming for all of my insightful posts on board gaming and beer?

        /wanders off to refill snifter

        1. AlmightyJB

          All of the sarcasm and snark isn’t payment enough?

    1. Tres Cool

      Cool link brah

    2. AlmightyJB

      Yeah I need to invest in that.

    3. MikeS

      Alex “Sliderman” inCT is not going to be happy with you.

      1. AlexinCT

        I patented that thing brah… Q is gonna owe me…

    4. Heroic Mulatto

      Is it gay if when reading the article I thought about how the study’s methodology could be applied to computational phonetics?

      1. Gustave Lytton

        L2 acquisition speed as a function of selective endorphin dosing?

        1. Heroic Mulatto

          Well, that’s an entirely different direction than what I was thinking, but if you can help me find grant money, I’ll go all in.

  30. Rebel Scum

    Where’s the Saturday night post?

    1. Sean

      In my pants.

  31. Count Potato

    BREAKING: Matthew Yglesias is an asshole.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1056233295900499968

    1. Count Potato

      “Anyways, some of Trump’s favorite donors and sons-in-law are Jewish so really we should set all talk of him fanning the flames of antisemitism aside and just let him focus on combatting the nefarious influence or globalists, George Soros, and cultural Marxism.”

      https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1056274483210805249

    2. Rebel Scum

      We already knew he was an asshole.

      Matthew Yglesias

      Verified account

      @mattyglesias
      4h4 hours ago
      More
      I don’t care for Steve Scalise’s politics but I think violence is always wrong and civilians shouldn’t have guns at all.

      What I did not know is that his world view is that of a toddler and that he wants to be a slave.

      1. Stinky Wizzleteats

        Nah, he’s one of the good ones. He wants to be a top man and for us to be slaves.

        1. Luther Baldwin

          *imagines being Matty’s slave, vomits uncontrollably*

      1. Stinky Wizzleteats

        ““He’ll stand for the anthem when the anthem stands for him,” Carrey said of Kaepernick.”

        Goddamn, that boy’s eloquent!

        1. AlmightyJB

          All of his world is a bumper sticker slogan.

        2. Luther Baldwin

          Colin Kaepernick – radical individualist.

        3. Playa Manhattan

          Plymouth Rock landed on us!

      2. Rebel Scum

        He stole the “thank you, that’s very convincing” joke from a handicapped person that was on the ComedyCentral standup challenge once.

      3. Chipwooder

        Well, since he hasn’t made a decent movie in over a decade, he has to stay in the news for SOMETHING

  32. CPRM

    Saturday night open post is 8pm Central. Not 8pm Eastern

    1. Tres Cool

      You expect me to stay awake for that?

    2. Spudalicious

      Ah yes, the sober one speaks.

      1. MikeS

        That’s only because he just got up.

        1. Nephilium

          Well fuck him, or toss him a beer.

    3. Luther Baldwin

      You could have just said “9pm”.

      😛

      1. kinnath

        8 pm Central is the real time.

        1. Rebel Scum

          Eastern is the real time.

          1. MikeS

            Yeah, the real stupid time.

      2. Nephilium

        Or 21:00?

        1. Luther Baldwin

          Affirmative.

        2. Tres Cool

          that’s a texas-sized 10-4

          1. MikeS

            Then pitter patter, let’s get at ‘er.

          2. Tres Cool

            +1 big chute

    4. AlmightyJB

      Course 25 minutes to Wapner.

  33. Tres Cool

    THIS explains a lot about NJ .

  34. Tres Cool

    Wacky Utah lesbians demand attention, get it.

    1. AlexinCT

      Gives new meaning to burning to much carpet.

    2. MikeS

      Hawt

  35. Count Potato

    “When @potus says “globalists,” he means Jews. When white supremacists have used this word as a dog whistle, he means Jews. When the audience shouts “Soros” when he says the word, he means Jews.”

    https://twitter.com/harryreis/status/1056216015405760512

    “That’s a pretty amazing shield from criticism. Nobody can discuss concerns about Soros, who is extremely politically engaged, because reasons.”

    https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1056294470273110019

  36. Count Potato

    “Remember, gab is about free speech. It being a nazi shithole is totally a coincidence.”

    https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1027671587825172480

    Christ, what an asshole.

    1. Count Potato

      “We have nothing but love for all people and freedom. We have consistently disavowed all violence. Free speech is crucial for the prevention of violence. If people can not express themselves through words, they will do so through violence. No one wants that. No one.”

      https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1056302503573127168

      “Donut shop decries obesity”

      https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1056315234133000192

      WTF, Ken?

    2. Stinky Wizzleteats

      His take is just pathetic and he’s pushing for their host, Microsoft, to cut Gab off. It’s shameful.

  37. Nephilium

    So I’ve learned there’s a new Meadery that opened up. I may have to hunt down their products soon. I’m also amused that on their About Us page it shows him posing with all of his homebrew awards and trophies (one of which I have as well).

    1. AlmightyJB

      I’ve had a couple of meads from these guys. Pretty good. Been wanting to go check out their place downtown. .

      https://www.brothersdrake.com/

      1. Nephilium

        I’ve been there, they’ve got a solid selection. If you’re interested, the girlfriend and I are going to be down at BrewDog in Canal Winchester in December. We’ll probably head downtown one night to hit up the breweries/restaurants.

        I’ve also needed to hit this place up every quarter since I got the girlfriend a subscription to their mead club last Christmas.

        1. AlmightyJB

          Yeah, let me know when you come down. I really want to go check that out. I actually haven’t been to BrewDogs yet. Was just thinking this week about getting a room at their some Friday or Saturday night so we can party without driving back to Hilliard. That Akron place looks like a good day trip as well.

          1. AlmightyJB

            At their hotel

          2. Nephilium

            December 14th-16th we’ve got reservations at BrewDog (I backed them on IndieGoGo and am a shareholder). There’s a decent selection of breweries in Akron as well (I work down there), but if you’re going that route, you’d be better served just heading up to Cleveland and hitting up either West 25th. or East 4th.

            For the brewery in the area you never hear about (unless you’re really in the scene) that is amazingly good (assuming you like IPAs) is JAFB [Just Another Fucking Brewery] Wooster.

          3. AlmightyJB

            Cool. I don’t think I have anything going on that weekend. Hopefully we can hook up and you can fill me in on the Cleveland scene:) A couple years ago we went up to R&R Hall of Fame and had lunch a Lola’s on a day trip. Not really sure where a good (safe) place to stay is downtown.

          4. Luther Baldwin

            In my experience, it’s perfectly safe if you don’t mind getting frequently hit up for money – sometimes by the same person twice during one smoke break….

    2. kinnath

      Let us know how it is.

      Sadly, there are few good professional meads.

      1. Nephilium

        We’ve got a few that distribute up here. Humble Bee I’m a fan of, although they’ve lost a lot of their distribution foot print (they do dry/sour meads). B. Nektar has some good ones, as does Crafted. Western Reserve here in Cleveland has some solid ones as well. Do none of them distribute out by you?

        1. kinnath

          I haven’t seen any of them.

          The local bottle shop is having a mead tasting next Friday. I went last year and was appalled at how many truly bad meads were being poured.

          I have a good friend that runs a professional meadery in southeast Iowa. His products are very good.

          I generally don’t go looking for commercial meads. I have a dozens of cases and a dozen kegs of my own mead in the basement right now.

          1. Nephilium

            Here in Ohio, meaderies fall under a wine making license, which IIRC is under $100 per year (a brewery license is at least $500). So we’ve got a lot of places that grabbed the winery license (used for wine making, cider making, or mead making) bottling their product, and selling it (either locally or self-distributing it). On mead, I’ve been playing around with recipes, have a couple that I really like, but still fall back to being a beer guy.

          2. kinnath

            Sounds like you have some local pros that know what they are doing. I’ll have to look for those labels at the bottle shop.

  38. Tres Cool

    “Totally support nazis, white nationalists, and assorted other spavined freaks..”

    Today I learned what “spavined” is. Not a total loss.

  39. Spudalicious

    Sorry, Yusef. I hit a stout wall and was stopped dead 3/4 the way through the first bottle. Dragon’s Milk will have to wait for another day.

    1. Nephilium

      Spudalicious… what is this “stout wall” you speak of? I can understand not going through multiple pints of stout in 90 degree weather, but it’s winter weather now (at least near me). I’m guessing no BA Gavel Slammer for you.

      1. Spudalicious

        As I topped 50, my beer capacity steadily declined. Probably a good thing.

        1. Nephilium

          It’s a good thing I’m only up to my early 40’s.

          1. Luther Baldwin

            I’m 49 and change. It’s sobering (!) thinking that the breakdown is only going to accelerate after 50.

          2. MikeS

            They’re talking about beer. Vodka is a different story.

          3. Luther Baldwin

            I mean in general…. but yeah, I already can’t drink more than a couple beers. Vodka input seems unimpaired.

  40. Mojeaux

    Re Ken White: I haz a sad.

    1. Playa Manhattan

      He has his good days and bad days.

      More good than bad, I hope.

      He’s a knowledgable guy with a good heart. It’s a shame to see him misfire.

    2. Luther Baldwin

      It’s nice knowing he was a total fraud all this time, isn’t it?

      1. Playa Manhattan

        I’ll cut him a fair amount of slack. He’s not always in control of what’s going on in his head.

        1. Mojeaux

          Just what I was thinking.

        2. Luther Baldwin

          What does that mean, exactly?

          1. Mojeaux

            He has a well-documented history of depression and has had at least one breakdown that I know of. He’s spoken of it a lot.

          2. Luther Baldwin

            Ah, I didn’t know that. TL;DR but I’ll accept both of you’s say so.

          3. Stinky Wizzleteats

            That’s an explanation for bad behavior, not an excuse.

    3. Nephilium

      Me as well. I’ll also go on record for hating those who have moved from blog posts to twitter to post all of their ideas.

      1. Mojeaux

        Being on Twitter so long has wreaked hell on my essay-writing abilities.

    4. commodious spittoon


      BD Matthews
      ‏ @matthews_bd

      I see where you’re coming from, but it’s a kind of meh attempt unless you’re not familiar with the Gab backstory. They’re free speech absolutists, and they accept some of the harsher tradeoffs here.

      You’re acting as if you can’t imagine biting the bullet for your principles.

      EmergyHat!
      ‏ @Popehat

      Nobody gives a shit what you think.

      Wow… fuck off, Ken.

      1. Yeah, I’m over Ken. I used to read his blog pretty frequently and I really enjoyed his analysis, but he always struck me as something of a “tame” contrarian during the Obama years, sort of like Joe Scarborough. Now he’s in the deepest TDS I’ve ever seen, so even that thin veil is gone.

  41. kinnath

    Just opened a 22 oz bomber of Ultra Violet Blackberry Sour Ale from Ecliptic brewing. It is mediocre.

    1. commodious spittoon

      Drinking wine and waiting for the soup. Probably shouldn’t have chosen a two and a half hour recipe.

    2. DEG

      I just opened the CoCo Stout you sent me. It’s excellent, and is easing the pain of losing a gunbroker auction. OK, I could raise my max bid, but I won’t. I’m at my limit for that rifle.

      1. kinnath

        It looked good. I picked it up as a single. I may have to go back and get a couple for myself.

        1. DEG

          It is good. I suggest you get some more for yourself.

          Thanks!

          1. kinnath

            You’re welcome.

    1. commodious spittoon

      LOL!

    2. Luther Baldwin

      FAKE NEWS. Where’s the dripping blood and shredded skin?

      1. Heroic Mulatto

        We save that for the second contribution.