I’ve talked about elk hunting here a few times; so let’s explore a particular hunt I took about fifteen years ago, which still sticks in my mind as the worst day I’ve ever spent at my favorite pastime.
I do wonder sometimes what drives people like me to hunt elk. What mystery is about elk that makes us leave warm beds long before dawn to tramp high in icy mountains?
In the past, I’ve always concluded the experience was reason enough. It’s reason enough to be out in the early morning in the high country, to enjoy the company of trusted friends, and to thrill to the ringing bugle of a bull echoing through aspens shining gold in the autumn sunshine.
And then came one particular opening day that changed my thinking. It was a day when I quit my warm bed for a late-season cow hunt. This day started awful. Things got worse after that.
It was a frigid morning when we left my friend’s cabin in Eagle at five in the morning, and a nasty, driving, wet snow/rain mixture was spitting from the starless, leaden sky. During the half-hour drive out to Salt Creek, my hunting partner Karl and I speculated on the wisdom of climbing to the top of the plateau we intended to hunt. But drive out there we did, and when we dismounted from Karl’s truck, the weather had gotten worse. We stepped into the lee of the truck to plan our morning.
“I’ll stay to the west of that big outcrop,” I told Karl, pointing at a dimly seen stump of red shale sticking out of the sagebrush, “And you stay to the east. Meet back at the truck by four?”
“Okay,” Karl said.
“This weather stinks,” I grumbled. I was already soaked through.
“At least it’ll be quiet.” The early seasons in Colorado had been warm and dry; my September bear hunt had been rendered almost impossible by woods in which every footfall sounded like I’d stepped in a pile of dry cornflakes. Hoping that some snow would grace the late elk seasons, I’d bought a leftover late season cow tag. No wall-hanger trophy my goal this year, but rather a freezer full of elk steaks.
My hunting partner Karl had a bull tag. Karl went off into the heavy timber in search of a six-by-six, while I climbed to the top of the plateau to find a good place to glass for a freezer-filler.
It proved to be a grueling journey. Elk hunting is never a picnic, but this climb would be burned into my memory. Every scrub oak, every juniper I bumped sent a shower of wet snow down the back of my neck with uncanny accuracy. Open areas between the trees were covered with sagebrush, a neat trick pulled by nature to make sure that my wool pants got soaked through in between fresh loads of snow dropped on me from the trees. The wet increased the weight of my daypack by approximately forty pounds, and my rifle lay in my arms like an anvil. Nature seemed full of malign intent that morning.
After a half-hour struggle I finally gained a vantage point. I found a chunk of rock that looked less sharp-edged than the others, brushed off a couple of inches of slush, and sat down.
Glassing wasn’t very productive, but occasionally the sleet would slack off long enough for me to see a mile or so. During one of those lulls I was able to finally get a look into the high meadows on the mountainside on the other side of the Salt Creek drainage, and sure enough…
“Oh, crap,” I whispered to my private self, alone as I was on a lifeless, frigid, dripping mountainside.
It was the worst possible scenario. Across the drainage was a herd of cows, maybe twenty elk, dark shapes grazing contentedly a mile or so away. With a groan of frustration, I let my binoculars drop to the end of their cord.
There was nothing else for it; my own stubbornness and the mysterious drive for an elk drove me on. I picked my way carefully down the mountain, back down through the junipers and sage, down to Salt Creek. The road we had driven in on paralleled the creek, and I came out maybe a half-mile downstream from the truck. I still had to find a way across Salt Creek.
The only opportunity to cross was on a beaver dam that looked to have been built sometime during the Eisenhower Administration by some particularly careless and stupid beavers. I told myself, “Myself, if I fall into that water, I’ll die of hypothermia before I can get back to the truck.”
I looked at the water, swirling dark and frigid like liquid onyx, chunks of ice bobbing carelessly in the current. Overhead the sodden spruces nodded at me, go on, go on.
The elk wouldn’t wait forever. I stepped out on the beaver dam. The sticks shifted slightly under my weight; my entire digestive tract tightened reflexively. Trying with all my mental might to levitate most of my weight off the dam, I slowly picked my way across. When I gained the far bank, I let go the breath I’d been holding, blowing snow off the trees for a good twenty yards. Now all I had to do was to hike carefully up through a half-mile or so of dark timber to where the elk were, in that sodden meadow, on the other side of the wet and dripping trees.
The sleet picked up a little as I climbed, but the spruces protected me from some of it. I took my time climbing over down trees and scrambling through a few ancient piles of slashing left by malicious loggers. After an interminable time, I reached the edge of the meadow. I crept stealthily, oh so stealthily; I crept like smoke on the wind to the edge of the frigid meadow and peeked carefully around the bole of a big spruce, which promptly discharged another helping of wet snow down the back of my neck.
No elk.
I dodged another volley of wet snow from the spruce and stuck my head out a little further, scanned from one end of the meadow to the other.
No elk.
I fumbled with cold-numbed fingers for my binoculars, and carefully glassed the tree line all about. A dollop of snow splattered against the binocular objectives, forcing me to stop and clean them before resuming the search.
No elk.
I double-checked the wind. It blew with near-gale force in my face, as it had been during the whole freezing, soaking, miserable stalk. The wind blew a pat of wet snow from another tree to hit me in the mouth. I glassed the tree line again.
No elk.
Finally, I walked out into the meadow, sloshed my way through the accumulating sleet and slush to the spot I’d seen the elk feeding. No tracks. The sleet/slush/rain/wrath of God that was falling that morning had eliminated every trace.
No elk.
I looked around the clearing. No clues offered themselves as to where the elk had gone, where they were at the moment, what they were doing, where they were going.
Well, there was nothing else to do, so I sloshed back down through the spruces, through the slash piles, over the down trees, to the beaver dam. Crossing carefully over the dam with my heart in my throat, I came at last to the road. I stood for a moment, looking up at the impassive monolith of the plateau I’d already climbed once that day. The wind and snow seemed to be getting colder.
“Enough’s enough,” I thought, and slogged on back up to Karl’s truck, to find him asleep in the warm truck cab.
I opened the door and gently shook Karl awake, only breaking one of his teeth and loosening three fillings in the process. “Oh, you’re back,” he belabored the obvious. “I gave up hours ago. Damn weather. You see anything?”
I filled him in on the entire miserable morning.
“Oh, you went after them clear up there?” he replied, his eyes wide with amazement. “You should have been up where I was. Just about a quarter of a mile from here, on that nice flat ground under the bluff. I walked right into a big gang of cows. I had three of them standing within fifty feet of me.”
I fought down the urge to do him an injury. “Let’s go back to the cabin and dry out.”
Later, when we went out again for the afternoon hunt, the rain/sleet/slush/snow had stopped, and while the sky was still overcast, the clouds had brightened some. With our hunting togs dried out, we were quite comfortable.
It seemed kind of dull, somehow. Something of the challenge was gone.
I still sometimes wonder what it is that drives us to hunt elk. There must be more to it than the meat in the freezer, the company of friends, and the scenery. There must be something deep, something primeval, something about the elk that speaks to us on a very basic level. There must be something that challenges us to voluntarily make the effort our ancestors had to make, if they were to survive.
After that wet, freezing day on Salt Creek, I think I may be a little closer to understanding the answer.
We’re probably a little bit crazy. But it’s a damn good kind of crazy.
I think I said this before but what kind of animal kills a innocent little elk.
This kind.
Avatar pic and handle checks out.
unless of course the elk had in comming
personally I only hunt wild boar with a spear
Still no right to keep and bear arms?
i have two arms myself. also i can buy a butter-knife at the store
I bet Animal armed only with a butter knife would prevail. And if not, ah well, his widow will live comfortably off the insurance. And the elk will have a cool trophy to show all his elk buddies.
I got $5 on Animal…
A guy who is a friend of a friend back in my home town is a big hunter. Last year, he was showing me pics of a boar he had killed with a Bowie knife in Texas.
He and his kid had gone there specifically to hunt them with a knife. He hid in a stand along a trail and when the boar came by, he leaped out and stabbed it to death.
Some info on this sort of craziness.
Maybe if you are nice to him, Leap will send you a custom knife to hunt with. Like a man. Not some sissy with a spear.
Your friend of a friend ain’t right in the head.
That reminds me. I have a random billet that needs turning into a knife. Problem is, I don’t know what type of steel it is and whether it would need heat treatment to hold a proper edge. How do I test that?
Stab a wild boar with it?
I have no idea, ask Leap. He’s smart, he’d know.
Go to a steel mill and ask the scrap people if you can borrow their Niton XRF instrument.
Or, just ask Leap.
I recall from watching Forged in Fire that good steel produces a lot of sparks on the grinder. Of course, they were testing steel that they were going to harden after shaping it, so depending on what you are planning to do, that might not help.
I prefer to hunt hogs like a civilized man.
Excellent. Fuck backseat environmentalists.
“Son, we live in a world that has hogs, and those hogs have to be culled by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Olle V. Holmberg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the hogs and you curse the hunters. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know; that those pigs’ deaths, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at barbecues, you want me in that helicopter. You need me in that helicopter. We use words like humane, sporting, conservation. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom from hogs that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said “thank you” and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and mount that helicopter. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
I know cowboys who hunt feral hogs with dogs and knives. They use a knife so gunfire doesn’t scare off the rest of the pigs. But, the dogs immobilize the hog before they go in with the knife. Trying to kill a feral hog with a knife one-on-one strikes me as insanity.
The meat eating kind.
Curious – had you taken an elk on the other side of that beaver dam, how were you planning on getting it out?
That was my immediate thought as well.
Those are problems best left until after the fact.
Actually, no. The friend whose cabin we were staying in kept a pack horse and a donkey, so we would have managed.
I’ve read about people carrying out elk a quarter at a time. Sounds too much like work.
Especially in grizzly country.
That’s how I got mine out. Involved hauling it up a steep slope that was near-vertical at the top.
Yes. Had the frost eaten into your brain?
I get wanting the food. But if I ever manage to take down a large beast, I don’t want a wall trophy, I want the hide, fur on, properly tanned, to throw on the back of the couch.
I know this means I’ll need to make sure it doesn’t become a nesting ground for insects. But it’d be worth it.
have it stuffed and sloopy can sell it
Not the first one. Never!
And the neat thing about hides that wall trophies can’t match – they’re stackable. Just layer them on top of each other and you’ll not run out of space.
Nope, Chuck Testa.
It’s alive!!
Twice in two days. There seems to be a lot of taxidermy discussion going on.
Chuck testa belongs everywhere, though.
I’m with you. Mounts are expensive, tough to clean and look ridiculous if you don’t have a very large sitting room. I’d rather have the hide and if the rack is sufficiently impressive, a European mount on the wall.
a European mount on the wall
These euphemisms.
I have a European mount of a Tule elk on my wall. It is beautiful with palmation at the ends of both antlers. It is totally out of place in Hawaii but I don’t care since it brings back great memories.
That’s awesome!
What do “progressive” Hawaiians say when they see it?
“Progressive” Hawaiians never see the end of my casa. People who see it inevitably stop, stare and ask me about it. The most freaked out I’ve had a Hawaiian worker at the casa was when they saw the 6ft long rattlesnake skin. That freaked him out.
“Oh don’t worry, Ole’ Shaketail hasn’t bitten anyone in the past few weeks.”
I had to look that up. Wow.
Yeah, I was disappointed, too.
if the rack is sufficiently impressive, a European mount on the wall.
That’s what I’ve got. Oddly, people who are creeped out by shoulder mounts have no problem with skull mounts. People are weird.
It’s the glass eyes.
I want the skull to drink out of.
Every fucking time.
except that one time
The only good elk is a dead elk.
Grilled and served with a sauce flavored with berries.
So what is everyone drinking? I am having some (((Rotenberg))) Merlot
Caffiene.
I’m at work and I didn’t sleep well last night.
I always drink alone round here and makes me feel like a drunk. I blame timezones.
You are a drunk. So am I. stop drinking, or get over it.
Ești beat. Deci, să nu mai beau sau să trec peste asta.
That’s Google translate, so if it’s very insulting, not what I meant.
Ești bețiv. Deci, să nu mai bei sau să treci peste asta.
Păcat că nu putem bea împreună. Noroc!
I should always add the time it is 19:31on a Friday so it is appropriate to have a drink
It’s half past noon here. And I’m not liable to judge when someone imbibes, unless they plan on driving near me.
are you on the best of the several US timezones or on an inferior one?
Eastern is the One True Time.
I think I win the timezones. HST baby!
I am so sorry for you.
UTC or GTFO
Yes, you can get out with that UTC crap. Burn it and bury the ashes.
I liked it better when it was called Zulu Time, anyhow.
Gave it some character.
You call that Zulu Time? I say Nay!
This is what Zulu time looks like
“Ive been away in Africa, fighting the war”
“Oh, Zulus ?”
“No, we won”
Im exercising some restraint and waiting till 5.
I have stuff to do.
It’s a bit early yet, but we’ll be having cocktails this evening while watching a couple of terrific musicians do their thing.
Whereas I get to go out in the rain, still feverish, for Senior Night at the High School game…
I am…not happy.
Flask…..cognac….under your rain jacket. Just saying.
Hmmm….
More euphemisms?
Creatine. I’m at the gym.
Nice story, Animal. I’ve been on some trips that were fucking miserable but I seem to recall them more often and more fondly than than the ones when everything went perfectly.
Besides, I’ve caught/killed enough stuff. I really just do like to be out in it all now. It drives my kid nuts when, in his opinion, I’m not even trying and I outfish him. I try to explain that focusing on the outcome sucks all the fun out of the process. He’ll get it.
Thanks for writing this one.
Backpacking, too. Those uphill hikes in soakers after a long weekend tramping around the mountain, wanting nothing more than to be home again showering, are seared into my memory like a Kav Nah encounter at a high school party. The pleasant afternoons strolling down the the creek with a book, not so much.
Hah! Coming out of the Boundary Waters a day early because of the cold and rain, a scalding hot shower at the motel in Ely, then beer and buckwheat pancakes at the Chocolate Moose. Memory is a weird thing.
So true. My wife is great in that she enjoys fishing, if she catches something that’s just a bonus.
So much this. Fishing with Tres Sr. is an activity that’s (for young me) cruel & unusual punishment, due to his success-oriented fishing philosophy.
One day on the Au Sable river in Michigan, we’d spent the better part of 9 hours with nothing to show for it. Finally drifting to where the dock was in sight (and salvation for a very bored 11 year-old Tres), he casts and begins to pull in a puny rock bass. Just as he gets it to the side of the boat, likely a 36″ pike comes out of nowhere, and with 1 bite, takes about 2/3 of the fish, and disappears in a flash. Screaming expletives to the heavens (and nobody in particular) he snapped the rod in half and threw it in the river.
I dont think he spoke to anyone the remainder of the day/night.
I was expecting more of a “holy shit, I’m lucky to be alive” story. Still, good writing.
I was expecting a “holy shit, STEVE SMITH!” story. Because that really would be the worst day ever.
STEVE SMITH MAKE ALL DAY BEST DAY! BY MAKE BEST DAY, MEAN RAPE.
Great contribution Animal! Elk hunting is my favorite addiction. I look forward to it all year. I guess it is a mix of the grandness of the animals, the difficulties of the stalk, and the glorious settings of the hunt. I can’t think of an ugly elk habitat that I have ever seen. I’ve lugged myself over hill and dale in AZ, WY, MT, CA, WA and CO hunting them. Like you I have been miserably cold, tired, broiling hot but I am back again and again.
Plus the high quality of the meat. It is always a sad but memorable meal when the last of the elk in the freezer is prepared for dinner.
I went elk hunting one time when I was maybe 16. Didn’t get elk (in MT) but we shot a few muleys on the way back and had a great time hunting birds (grouse, huns, and pheasants) in eastern MT.
My dad used to go elk hunting around Dubois, WY years ago, but his crew has been decimated by old age and they don’t go anymore. Heard some great stories, but I haven’t made the trip yet.
The time, distance and cost have put it lower on my list of hunting trips than it probably should have.
Great story!
I have a complicated history with hunting. Well not really; I grew up in the populous Northeast where deer hunting was a major right of passage but also a major pain in the ass. City people buying up land, posting the crap out of it, blocking off access from people who’d always hunted on it as a gentleman’s agreement with prior owners (not arguing against property rights but the discord kind of set the tone). Add in that many of the locals were a bunch of boomer assholes who were very jealous that someone else might shoot ‘their’ deer. I got really tired of wondering if I was going to get harangued every time I tried to walk to my hunting spot by some 40 yr-old man-child because I’d ‘ruined his hunt.’ The pettiness and neighbor squabbles made me hate hunting.
Fast forward to me in my 20’s living in MT. More land than you could cover in a day and you wouldn’t see a single other person. No sit around and freeze in a tree-stand, you actually get to move and stalk game. Loved it.
Alas now I’m back east for the foreseeable future and I just can’t imagine going back out to a tree stand.
I try to explain to people who have only hunted white tails from a stand in Minnesoda how different hunting muleys in Montana is.
Like you said, you drive around in eastern MT and you see herds of deer prancing around. The name of the game there is to figure a way to sneak up close enough to them to get a shot at a nice deer.
You could always tell when some Minnesodans were on their first hunt in MT. They’d be the ones who who were slapping each other on the back and proud that they had shot a dumb yearling that was standing in a ditch about 3 minutes after daylight. The MTans would roll their eyes at them. They didn’t realize that you could sit your whole year in a stand in MN and not see a deer. When you were driving out to hunt and saw one just standing there, you thought it was manna from heaven.
Yep. I don’t remember ever hunting in MT and not seeing game. Maybe I didn’t get a shot that day, but I at least saw something. My dad came out one year and we got him an antelope in N-central Montana. It was a hunt that will never be forgotten by any of us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDqsgbtpDLk
speaking of “fresh loads”, here’s one from Lisa Murkowski.
Oh dear God, the comments.
The Misery Factor.
That was the term my father came up with for deciding how good the salmon fishing would be. Nice weather = No fish. Shit weather = Snapping salmon. I know it isn’t like that, but it sure is easy to only remember the days that support that theory. It also seems to fit for a lot of other hunting/fishing too.
Like others have said here, you remember the trips where it seems like you barely survive far longer than the trips when everything is wonderful.
FIL and I went for walleye every opener. I’m sure there were nice ones, but the ones I remember were cold and windy. so cold that you would have to clear ice from the guides.
I fucking loved it.
Flyin trips to Ontario 21 years, some years it was hot as hell, some years it snowed, every year it rained and the wind howled. Gotta fish, the meter is running. Walleyes would bite better when it was crappy weather, it seemed. Take warm clothes, rain gear and don’t fish if the lightning is flashing. Some years the fishing was fantastic, some years so-so and a few times horseshit but we always made reservations for the following year, until this year.
The calendar caught up with the whole gang. Life is like that…
Walleyes are like salmon. They are low light feeders, so clouds or that “walleye chop” you get in a nice breeze keep the boys biting longer.
Yup. And they hate it when the weather gets really hot. We would often end up in 30+ feet of water in August.
Hello everyone. Longtime lurker and occasional poster at the other site here. I have an off topic question.
What is your opinion on Arizona state’s online electrical engineering program? Im currently an operator for a chemical refinery and am looking to move to a better career.
Currently online is my only option
tulpa?
No, legit question from a real person
Sounds like Tulpa talk to me.
It’s an expensive program I believe, unless you have an employer or someone else paying for it. I never looked beyond skin deep as ASU makes it a fucking pain to plan & research non-degree seeking single classes. Starbucks partnered with ASU for their employees, so it has that going for it. I assume like most online programs, it looks the same on the wall as graduates of the onsite program. No idea of the reputation in whichever industry you’re seeking post graduation.
Yes. But we all are..
Just wanting to see if there was anyone involved in this field. What their thoughts on how online education would affect my job prospects.
It’s a lot of money and headache to risk not being able to do anything with it
We have some engineer types – check back every so often.
You may want to try to line that up in a links post, although Friday afternoon may be the slowest during the week.
I’ll try that. Was going to post this morning but slept late, due to working tonight.
I’ll try the evening links
Ask Leap. He knows a lot about that world.
And welcome, tulpa!
Speaking generally, unless it’s some diploma mill school, connections from your coursework & job placement into your first job are about all that matters. Beyond that, it’s a box checking and focus on work experience.
I’m not sure what people hiring EE’s are looking for, but I know that in the software development world, a formal degree is getting less and less important.
I’m not hiring in my current job, but I did a lot of it in previous jobs and I was seeing more and more candidates showing up with a simple AA degree or even just a stint at some coding boot camp. Personally, I didn’t think that there was any reason not to look at those candidates just as hard as a candidate who had a traditional degree.
The question I’d look at is how much will ASU do to help get you in front of potential employers? I know when I was graduating from Memphis State with my EE, my profs were very good about helping you get your resume to actual people who were hiring.
I planned on asking these same questions.
Problem is I have to pay a damn $70 application fee to get to anyone who would know.
I paid it once and was accepted but had to stop due to an unexpected promotion. Really don’t want to flush more money down the toilet if it’s not gonna helpe
Hello Grudge,
An EE is a hard requirement for any job in electrical/electronics engineering. The only exception might be for someone that already has years of experience and a strong resume.
I would find out if ASU’s program or diploma is different between online or in person schooling. Many do not make the distinction. ASU is respected by my employer. The most important factors to get you hired are your grades (need to be around a 3.0) and you need a strong internship/co-op history.
I’d be interested to know how lab time is replicated in a purely online program. Sure, you can simulate most of the work, but there’s nothing more instructive than actually soldering a chip onto a pcb and coding it up to do what you want.
From a post about the program:
It is one hundred percent online, just like the title says, and the labs are given to the student in kits. The advisers can’t give me more information about the kits until I’m actually enrolled. The degree is ABET accredited. I am married and I work full time, I also live in a state in the USA where colleges are few and far between, so this seems to be my only option for a degree that works with me.
It looks like they do kits for labs. My wife took a few engineering classes this way with lab kits. It was difficult if you or the kit had a problem.
Uffda. I’ll cut you some slack Pie because you don’t speak english so good. You probably didn’t realize how badly formatted your reply was.
First off, cut that question mark out. Ain’t no doubt he’s Tulpa. Use an exclamation mark if you must have some punctuation.
And the only proper response is “Fuck off Tulpa!”
Sorry to disappoint but you’re wrong this time.
Tulpa preceeded my time at reason. The troll at the time was Bo if I recall correctly.
Been here since everyone moved over.
Could provide my old username at reason if you like though I would prefer not to.
Tulpa, we’re all Tulpa.
(Just roll with it and come around more often)
“Could provide my old username at reason if you like though I would prefer not to.”
Hihn ? That you ?
Bully!
https://imgflip.com/i/2jh75p
Awesome.
Bo was Tulpa, as are we all.
So say we all!
So say We all!
Fuck off Tulpae!
Stop collectivizing!
Could provide my old username at reason if you like though I would prefer not to.
Gillespie?
Fist?
I like that guess.
Sorry Grudge, but “Fuck off Tulpa” is the Glib equivalent of getting jumped in when joining a gang.
Like Tundra said, keep coming round here.
That way you will get to do it to a noob someday yourself….
ASU has a decent full-time program. I am not familiar with their online offerings, but they are probably similar.
I’ve got an MSEE and worked in the field for quite a while.
I’d ask what specific field you’re interested in or you see opportunity in. Electrical engineering is a very broad topic that covers everything from power distribution and generation to microchips to biomedical applications to software to radio/microwave to control systems.
Fundamental education includes: Circuits, Integrated Electronics, Electromagnetics, Control System Theory, Boolean Logic, Microcontrollers, and Plenty of Math
Those lay the basis for whichever direction you choose after that.
Feel free to email me at outofgum@hushmail.com if you want to continue the discussion.
Also, Pomp is a currently practicing EE (I moved into business a while ago), I’m sure he’s got opinions on the topic.
Hey Tulpa, how’s it going? I was Tulpa once too.
Not sure if this is helpful, but maybe check out Purdue University’s online program. Purdue recently bought Kaplan to grow an online presence. I’m an electrical engineering grad (loooong time ago, before online was an option) and it’s considered one of the best programs in the country (at least the on-campus program).
I believe they’re trying to execute quality online programs. Purdue has also been a leader in keeping tuition rates in check – haven’t raised it in years. Since they’re a quality school, trying to grow online and establish a low-tuition reputation, it might be a good fit.
Best of luck!
Great story Animal. This reminded me of my early hunting adventures with my dad. Like Bob Boberson I grew up in the North East and had to find land I could hunt on. My father had a friend that owned a mountain outside of my home town and would allow us to hunt it. The first 5 years of hunting we saw a total of 5 doe and no buck. Hunting this mountain required us to hike up and across slippery pine and maple leaves covered in 3-4 inches of snow. We had to hike up in the dark, find a spot, waited for first light, then waited for hours to see no deer, move to the next spot, and so on, and then give up and get warm after 5-6 hours or so. I remember falling down a steep slippery trail with a loaded 30-30 more than once, having a bear scare the shit out of me, and having some asshole confront and accuse me of taking his spot.
My dad and I found a new spot on his co-workers farm for the next 2 years. I got my first buck right after first light, my dad, right after that, and the rest of our party right after that. I learned that hunting is easy if there are tons of deer and very hard if there is a few deer across a huge mountain. In the northeast you got to go where the deer’s food is and that means around corn fields and farms. Mountains are where the bear, porcupines, and bobcats tend to be.
I don’t hunt any more. That same farm had a bunch of drunk NJ residents hunting it the last year. They shot at noises and things they thought were deer, including us. I don’t trust many people with weapons and only then after seeing how they treat them in the field or range.
“I don’t trust many people with weapons and only then after seeing how they treat them in the field or range.”
Tell me about it.
/Former adviser to the Iraqi Army
Tell me about it.
/noticing how many joes and NCOs didn’t have their weapons on safe after drawing from the arms room
I’m not trying to slag on you Army guys here, but the weapons handling of the reservists/NG that was common at Karshi-Khanabad was frightening.
No offense taken. More eye opening was the “So? WTF does it matter?” attitude when called on it. I’ve also seen the “This [holds up finger] is my safety” line praised, rather than being called a dumbass comment.
On the other hand, in a good NG unit, I saw a squad leader (E4 waiting for rank) start smoking one of his guys (E5, coming off active duty in a different MOS) for an negligent discharge (with a blank) during an FTX.
“This [holds up finger] is my safety” line praised, rather than being called a dumbass comment.
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I always thought of that more as saying “the safety is no substitute for proper gun handling habits.”
Especially with the proliferation of handguns with Glock style triggers and no additional safety, there is no substitute for keeping your booger hook off the bang switch.
That explanation I can get behind.
Quoting Black Hawk Down? Really? Oof, that’s bad.
I’ll slag the Chair Force as I was a member once.
AF cop guarding a KC-135 in Saudi. Got tired and sat on a tire in the shade of the wing. Plopped the M-16’s butt on the ground and it went off sending a few rounds into said wing. The leaking fuel drenched the doofus and formed a small lake on the tarmack. Luckily nothing lit off the fuel.
They then took everyone’s bullets away.
The JP8 drenching is punishment enough. I was filling up jerry cans for the generators & humvees with one of those donkey dick nozzles. Pulled the trigger too far and the backsplash can right out of the can. Washed and washed those DCUs but could never get the JP8 smell out of them. Same with my watch wristband. If I got a whiff today, I’m sure I would flash right back on the smell alone.
Takes one tool to ruin it for everyone.
+1العدو نحو الأمام
“Iraqi Death Blossom This Way”
I stopped hunting as well for both the land reason and my hunting gang moved/died. The guys I hunted with were wild men once the guns were put away, but consummate professionals in the blind. We had a new guy come with us one day and he was never asked back. Fucker was scary.
Well, at least Monica Chunky Slut Stalker That Woman Lewinsky is more appropriate than something like, say, Throatwarbler Mangrove .
TW on the 1st link: DailyFail
Being known for all eternity for the one dick you sucked at 20. And most women have no sympathy. *shakes head*
Also, what a bunch of bullshit the rest of those people a peddling. Outside John Oliver. I can totally picture him being known as bitch loser.
I’m sure Munn’s hs years were horrible. So tough to be a hot chick.
Olivia Munn revealed she was called ‘the new girl in school no one likes’
Devastating.
In a related topic, I waxed my first carhartt duck jacket this week. I wore out my old one and wanted to make my new one more resistant to snow and rain. My old one was my daily coat from late Oct until April unless its is sub zero. I found the process quite a pain to get the look and feel I wanted, but I believe it was based on my choice of wax. I used an all natural bees wax product from Otter Wax.
No love for Sex Wax?
I have no clue if it works for you, but I wanted to link it, and I use it for my sticks.
+1
But the pleasant scent would probably be off-putting on a coat.
Not the same type of wax that you want to use on a jacket. You need a softer wax, since it has to work it’s way into canvas, not into wood.
TimeLoose, I can’t remember the name of the wax I use on my duster, but I’ll pull the can when I get home. It works great.
I got it to work, but it took way too much time. I used other waxes before that had linseed oil or paraffin oil along with the wax and they were much less work. With Otter wax I followed the instructions and afterwards though I just ruined my coat. It left a white waxy residue everywhere that made the coat look like it was covered in ash. I had to polish the coat like a pair of boots with a horse hare brush. It looks amazing now but it took me over 5 hours of waxing, heat gun, clothes drier, repeat, then polish.
Dug out my Carrhart this morning, I’ll put it away in April (late).
It’s also time to re-snowseal the boots for Fall/winter.
I’d have a problem hunting elk. This is NOT a criticism, just a comment. For whatever reason, I find it a lot easier to eat meat I could kill easily. I’d have no problem butchering a chicken, turkey, or fish. I’d have a harder time with a pig, cow, or in this case, an elk. Not sure why.
Anyway, thanks for that, Animal. You ever want to hunt in Florida deer or New Hampshire deer, I have some relatives might like to go along.
As an unapologetic carnivore, I get that. I can kill a chicken or gut a living fish and feel nothing…..I’ve never not had inner turmoil killing a mammal….it always makes me think about my dog for some reason. I can do it but I don’t like it.
Never had elk, I don’t believe. Had venison, had bison, even had oryx.
had onyx myself chipped a tooth
I’ve bought elk jerky before, but who knows if it’s actually made from elk
Just like hot dogs .
Sold!
I guess I’m old fashioned, I like assholes
My one successful elk hunt was both the best and worst hunt I have ever been on. Best, because of the scenery and the final approach to the elk I wound up shooting. Worst because of the physical abuse I endured getting to that point and getting the damn thing out once he was on the ground, which left me almost unable to walk for a week.
There must be something deep, something primeval, something about the elk that speaks to us on a very basic level. There must be something that challenges us to voluntarily make the effort our ancestors had to make, if they were to survive.
I was failing to explain to my Associate GC why I hunt for deer, but that’s basically what I was trying to get at.
Could provide my old username at reason if you like though I would prefer not to.
Lighten up,
FrancisTulpa.I remember one day elk hunting in Montana. It was overcast, about shin deep snow on the ground, blowing and cold. I got on the fresh tracks of a couple of young bulls moving up about 50m to the side of a larger group of cows and a bull. I stalked those damn things up thousands of feet and was getting closer. The droppings were still warm and the urine melts still wet. Up and up occasionally hearing the main group. At tree line still stalking them up and it got bitterly cold. I saw where they had passed through a small saddle on the ridge and worked my way up and eased into position and the far slope was empty except for tracks heading down. The stalk yielded nothing. I was above 10,000ft in the bitter cold and looked below. In the main pass was easily a thousand elk moving down across the trees and parks toward the river bottoms. This storm started the annual migration.
As I sat with my back against a rock, sweating amongst the blowing snow I glanced to the south and there were the Tetons, below me were more elk than I had ever seen, I was alone on this ridge and hadn’t blown the stalk- it just hadn’t produced a shot. Damn this was a good life.
One of my hunting buddies is fond of saying “Its called “hunting”, not “shooting”. You don’t need to take a shot to have good hunt”. We have had many good hunts with no shooting.
Same here.
That gives me goose bumps. When I lived in MT everyone went nuts about the winter elk hunt in Gardner and told stories about the huge herds. Several years after our TOP MEN decided we needed to fix the ecological balance in Yellowstone Nat’l Park by introducing wolves. Heard, didn’t see, that that was the end of the big winter migrations.
Apologies to Animal (great article, btw) for going wildly off-topic, but I figured this merits a mention. The verdict in the Van Dyke trial is set to be read at 1:45 PM, CST:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-laquan-mcdonald-jason-van-dyke-trial-verdict-20181005-story.html
Stay safe, any fellow Chicago area Glibs.
Oh, snap! Dueling media narratives!
Shit. Hope the rioting has died down by the time I have practice Sunday night.
So you’re hoping for a conviction?
This is Chicago. I’m expecting rioting no matter what.
This is Chicago.
I’m expecting rioting no matter what.How could you tell?Speaking of food…should I get take out BBQ on the way home? Or should I pick up steaks and make my own dinner?
*first world problems
Why not both ?
Pick up ribs, cook in pressure cooker for 20-25 minutes. Bake on rack or open sheet in 425F oven for ~5 minutes on each side.
So…I see you’ve divined my pressure-cooker ribs secret….
(actually, I rub them 1st with Alton Brown’s recipe, and let them sit for at least 4 hours before the pressure cooker)
Did last night, with leftovers for lunch today. Next time I’m going to give finishing them on the grill a try. More setup time though.
I usually throw mine under the broiler to get the crispness
Elk hunting is an exercise in masochism. It’s probably the closest I’ll get to the “S&M” paraphilia type masochism since I enjoy it so much. But yes, trudging through snow uphill for miles at >8000 ft is beyond exhausting, all for the *chance* you might see and elk, let alone get a good shot at one.
If you have the good fortune to kill one, then you have to field dress and pack out a 1000 lb animal increasing the exhaustion. However, there is a great sense of accomplishment in a job done right and elk is my very favorite game meat so it’s all worth it.
Also, fun anecdote. One year was out elk hunting with my buddies when I happened upon a very impressive bull giving it to a cow strong and deep. I had a bull tag and he would have been a great take, but I just couldn’t shoot the poor guy while he was doin’ his thang. I moved on and of course the hunting gods punished me with no more good shots that trip for my hubris.
I had the chance to shoot a buck who had mounted a doe. Fortunately for him, I didn’t have a good enough angle, and didn’t want to wing the doe also.
“I sent three boats, didn’t I?”
That raises an interesting question for someone like me who has never been hunting. Is there some sort of agreed upon protocol among hunters for how or whether game should be approached when it’s in the throes of getting it on?
I suspect it depends on how big the antlers are.
Was it a [dons sunglasses]……european mount ?
Since it was a bull mounting a cow, I would say . . . no.
“she holds him by the ears!”
It’s all Greek to me.
No, Gustave, Greek would be a Bull mounting a pubescent bull.
the old “Kevin Spacey” maneuver
I don’t know, man. I can’t think of a better way to shuffle off…doing what you love.
Shouldn’t that be doing who you love?
I think elk are polyamorous so I guess who also works
She was being raped and you did nothing. You’re just part of the rape culture.
Speaking of food…should I get take out BBQ on the way home? Or should I pick up steaks and make my own dinner?
I was just thinking about making a big batch of chili in the crock pot. That means a trip to the store.
STEVE SMITH HUNT ELK. HUNT BEAR. HUNT WOLF. HUNT RABBIT. HUNT HIKER.
AND BY HUNT, MEAN…..
There is a guy on the road home that raises bison. So you can stand on the road and get a good shot most days of the week.
OT: This doesn’t sound much like a haunted house and more like some kind of torture endurance test.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/you-have-to-sign-a-waiver-and-have-a-safe-word-before-entering-the-worlds-scariest-haunted-house/77-600927884
My buddy tried to get me to go one of those. My response was that; it doesn’t look scary it just looks like you are giving a bunch of strangers a license to touch you and make you uncomfortable. I wonder if they have masochists start getting all hot and bothered half way through?
Glibs meet-up in Montana ?
“2:17 p.m. A Bigfork man wanted to give the cops a heads up about his gun shooting party. The man said he knew his next-door neighbors were going to complain about a large gathering of people shooting guns on a Sunday night.”
Then again, I dont think any of us would call the cops.
That’s very inappropriate. Saturday night, sure, but people have work on Monday.
Woo hoo! S3 of Man in the High Castle is now available.
Hopefully my joy won’t be crushed with the bitter disappointment of a show that’s being dragged out, instead of being taken out back and put out of its misery.
I really enjoyed the first season. Kind of enjoyed the second season. I really hope the third season is good but who knows.
Jason VanDyke Guilty on all counts.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/jason-van-dyke-trial-verdict-reached-in-fatal-shooting-of-laquan-mcdonald
That’s gonna make it tough to give him a suspended sentence, back pay, and lifetime disability.
I must say I’m stunned.
Happy stunned, but stunned.
Well, whaddya know?
They went with 2nd degree murder instead of first, but still amazing.
I’m not a lawyer but I don’t see how you get him on 1st degree murder. Doesn’t that require planning and premeditation?
Part of my concern that the prosecutors overcharged him in an attempt to get the jury to acquit.
Pants-shitting your magazine while making a corpse twitch on the ground is bad optics.
He would’ve gotten away with it if not for that lousy video.
I’m still waiting for all of the officers that helped him cover this up to go to prison.
Some got immunity to testify.
“The defense also called a pharmacology expert who claimed McDonald was “whacked on this PCP.”
Someone got wet with Sherm…..
What kind of PCP? Goof-balls? or Angel-dirt?
The defense was more or less “He was a drugged up black guy and deserved to die”.
Camille Paglia: Too Thicc?
I got suckered into reading the Teri Hatcher assault letter down the page. Sadly, I immediately thought SugarFree was trolling someone.
Can you hunt Elk with this?
Collins is still explaining her decision, without actually announcing it. Up to 15 minutes now.
It sounds like a long justification of a “yes” vote so far.
It’s gotta be yes, all she’s doing is talking about why the accusations aren’t believable
She’s gonna pull a Comey.
She’s still talking. Hasn’t said yes or no, but assuming she doesn’t end this with “fuck everything I just said, I’m voting no”, she’s a yes.
My liberal friends on twitter are already lamenting her vote.
“As unsubstantiated as these accusations are, we nonetheless have a responsibility to the country as well as to the nominee, and I believe it would be irresponsible to put either through the pain of moving forward with this confirmation…”
(imaginary Comey deflection)
“Kavanaugh voted with [DC Circuit] Chief Judge Merrick Garland 93% of the time”
lol
Is anyone surprised?
The only bright spot with him is his disdain for the administrative state and the 2nd
. …And his position on the 2nd…
Derp
dammit, JB, do you have to ruin our fun every time?
Was the seven percent difference the part where Jim Crow laws were to be reinstated?
She’s begging them not to crucify her
and it’s official, she’s a yes. Says she won’t ignore the presumption of innocence. Didn’t anyone fill her in – this isn’t a criminal trial, it’s a job interview!!!
Is that enough now?
And right on fucking cue…..
Attaboy Aaron! Go down with the ship!
Murkowski somehow managed to say Kav was a good guy (meaning she couldn’t have believed that he is an alcoholic rapist perjurer), and still voted against cloture. Can’t figure that one out.
Because “victims” think he did it, and that’s good enough for her to keep that “good man” off the court. It’s as craven and disgraceful a statement as I can imagine.
I wonder if Murkowski votes yes now that confirmation is assured.
She just called the gang rape allegations bullshit, so he’s got that going for him.
I have to say that as much as I don’t like Collins, this is really good. Breaking down the allegations, why they’re not believable, at least to any threshold that evidence would require.
Oh shit.
“I can’t help but feel that a number of people who opposed this nomination had little regard for [Professor Ford’s] well being”
she’s definitely shivving the committee Dems and Ford’s handlers
As they deserve. They handled this entirely as a character assassination to force withdrawal or delay after the mid-terms, guaranteeing a media circus that was completely at odds with any regard for Ford. If they believed her at all, this could and should have gone into the regular approval process.
They clearly thought they would be successful in pressuring him to withdraw. When that didn’t work, they decided to double down and throw every piece of garbage bogus story they could at him.
If the Dems really believed her, then why did they sit on this for 6+ weeks? I mean I get the political impact of bringing this up at the last minute. But if they really believed her then they could have shut his nomination down cold earlier.
Now Kavanaugh is going to be a Supreme Court Justice and they have managed to energize the Republicans just before midterms. Genius move Dems.
Collins is still explaining her decision, without actually announcing it.
“we’ll never get another road or bridge built in this state if I don’t tow the lion. That’s how this works.”
I have been on this hunt many times. Fortunately I am getting too old and crippled for this nonsense anymore. These days I prefer to stay home by the fire and sip on something alcoholic.
I have gained a ton of respect for Senator Collins in the last 45 minutes.
I started with 0, so i had nowhere to go but up, but still.
Complete agreement on both statements.
Respect moving from 0 to .1
True, but .1 is more respect than I have for about 97 other Senators.
I had a software update – I am capable of having negative respect for someone.
I have the transitive negative respect module, where anyone who associates with someone who has a respect score of “- X” has X deducted from their respect score.
I am begrudgingly increasing my respect for her. I think her RVW litmus test is bullshit.
For all her talk about how bad the partisan bickering is, she glosses over the fact that a lot of it is due to RVW and the court legislating from the bench.
Yeah the Court is openly a super legislature now, they’re not even pretending that this is anything but a fight over naked political power.
Meh, one thing I will say for Collins is she is openly a squishy moderate RINO. She campaigns on it, votes on it, and gets elected every six years on it.
She’s not like one of the red state GOP Senators who spend a year talking up their right wing bonafides to the home crowd and then come to Washington and suddenly become Great Bipartisan Statesmen.
It’s the Jeff Flakes and Bob Corker and Ben Sasse types who represent a deep red constituency but vote and speak different than they campaign on that piss me off.
In an episode riddled with bizarre and ridiculous events, the most bizarre is that we’ve gotten fire-breathing defenses of due process and the presumption of innocence from Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins. I still feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
Hey, maybe it’ll rub off on Kavanaugh when he’s on the Court? We can hope.
Susan Collins: “I believe Professor Ford is a victim of sexual assault, but the evidence presented didn’t rise to any legal standard”
Wolf Blitzer, immediately thereafter: “Collins says she did not believe the accusations of sexual assault”
I guess she kind of has to say something like that rather than “Everything that woman said is bullshit, thank you” My Cousin Vinny style, but I’m really getting sick of hearing it. There is nothing that supports Ford’s story. Nothing. And as time passes, more and more holes start showing up in it. The only basis anyone cites for these comments is that she got theatrically weepy with her phony-sounded babygirl voice.
Wolf is a retarded cunt
Yes he is. I have proof.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6BW-7FD4vUk/SrPQpHyB5iI/AAAAAAAAAEc/apn-WX-sLv4/s1600-h/0918_jeopardy_abc_video.jpg
Manchin is now also a confirmed yes, so we’re at 51.
*brings out rain barrels for proggie tears*
Just look around Twitter, it’s 2016 Lite
So that dude who was saying he would fly back from his daughter’s wedding might not have to now. So that’s good.
I can hardly wait for the next SCOTUS circus. Assuming the Repubs hold the Senate, I have a feeling Grassley and McConnell will be making some changes to the approval process.
Personally, I would start by doing with the hearings themselves. Individual meetings with Senators (which they do now) should be plenty. Character
assassinswitnesses go through the FBI background check process.What? And give up the chance to grandstand for the cameras?
The other thing they need to do it use a court-packing threat to get some kind of agreement to set the Court at no more than nine justices, because I guarantee you that the Dems WILL do it come hell or high water whenever they end up regaining power.
Great article, really well written – it reminds me of adventures with my Dad growing up in Montana – and why I am not much of a hunter now.
Yep, I haven’t read something that good since the last time I picked up a Gray’s Sporting Journal.