Guns and Practices for Small Game
Folks who are, like me, of the outdoorsy persuasion, like to talk about big game hunting. Why? Because it’s exciting. Big stuff with horns, hooves and pointy teeth are more exciting to hunt, and to talk about.
But when it comes to hunting opportunities, you can’t beat small game. The amount of time you can spend afield in pursuit of small game far outweighs limited big-game seasons, and anything from squirrels to pheasants produces some of the best eating you’ve ever laid teeth on. And, for the prepper/TEOTOWAKI set, small game hunting for food is far more likely to be a problem you need to solve than fighting off Mad-Maxian bands of raiders.
So, let’s look at arms and equipment for small stuff.
Rifles
Rimfire rifles kind of rule the roost for small game hunting nowadays, but it was not always thus. One of the best small-game cartridges around back in the day is the old .25-20, still available in old Winchester 92s if you’re willing to shell out the bucks for and shoot a collectible. The Winchester 43 bolt gun was also available in this fine old round, and likewise commands a high price. The .25-20 is a great small game round when loaded moderately with a hard-cast lead bullet, killing game up to woodchuck-size very nicely without tearing up as much meat as a .22 high-velocity hollow point. But centerfire rifles for this and similar old small game rounds aren’t made today, with one exception: The .22 Hornet.
Factory loads in the .22 Hornet aren’t too useful for small game. It’s a good 125-yard varmint round as factory-loaded, useful up to coyote-sized critters at those ranges, but factory loads do too much damage on small game. But loaded with (again) a hard-cast lead bullet at moderate velocities, it becomes a great round for rabbits, hares, squirrels and marmots. I keep one, a Ruger #3, as a fall turkey rifle; with the same kind of loads it will put down a big turkey inside of 100 yards right now. And here’s the fun part: If you have a good .22 Hornet rifle but would really, really like a .25-20 for the tad extra bullet diameter or just because you want one, you could have a barrel made; the two cartridges share a case head. But that sounds like an expensive proposition.
Let’s face it; in today’s small-game rifle world, rimfires are where it’s at, and there’s no sign of that changing any time soon.
I won’t discuss the various .17 rimfires, as I’ve never owned or shot one. I’ll leave the well-informed readers to discuss those in the comments. There are at present several .22LR rifles kicking around the gun rack at the Casa de Animal, but the one I set up for just such precision shooting, I kind of ended up outsmarting myself; I did the full-blown Ruger 10-22 conversion, with a .920” target barrel, a laminated Fajen thumbhole stock and a big target scope; the rifle shoots like a dream but weighs as much as many a big-game rifle. A .22 should be light and handy.
But while the .22 Long Rifle and the .22 WMR are both well-suited for most small-game work, the .22 WMR is more versatile. Why? Because the .22WMR will handle game up to the size of big marmots, foxes and at close ranges, coyotes. The .22LR would not be advisable for larger animals like those, even with precise shot placement.
That doesn’t mean the .22LR rifle isn’t great for most small game. Back in the day my friends and I killed a whole bunch of rabbits and squirrels with .22LR rifles; ammo was cheap and plentiful, and so were the guns. But even out of a rifle, it runs a tad on the weak side for the big hares, marmots and foxes, even with the high-velocity hollow-point rounds. That’s where the .22WMR shines, as the 40-grain jacketed hollow-point will easily kill big hares, foxes and marmots out to about a hundred yards, and with the full-jacket solid loads available, it won’t mess up too much meat on smaller game. Find you a rifle for either cartridge that’s light, easy to carry and accurate. The Ruger 10-22 is available everywhere and they’re great shooters. The famous old Marlin 60 is cheaper, and millions have been made. There are far too many options to talk about here. Look around!
But it’s not always easy or convenient to tote around a rifle, even a .22, so let’s talk about…
Handguns
Something that seems to have fallen out of the shooting world is the “kit gun,” usually a small-frame .22 revolver intended for taking small game at short range. The Smith & Wesson .22-32 Kit Gun was one such. There are many good examples; I keep a Colt Officer’s Target in .22LR for such things, and it’s seen a fair amount of use on early-season mountain grouse here in Colorado, where we routinely plink dumb young birds out of trees with .22 handguns. The old Colt is fussy about ammo, preferring CCI Green Tags above anything else, but with those it puts down grouse and rabbits handily without destroying too much meat if head shots aren’t possible.
But here’s the cool thing about handguns: Most of them up to the .357 Mag will do great on even small stuff like rabbits, with the right load. A .44/45 will work if you go for head shots, but the smaller guns are even good for body shots on rabbits and grouse with FMJ or hard lead pills. A .357 loaded with .38 wadcutters is great for rabbit-sized game; a 9mm with FMJ bullets will kill quickly without messing up too much meat. Find a moderate load with a non-expanding bullet and you’re set for opportunity shots at small game. The .32 centerfires are great, too, and happily there has been something of a renaissance in .32 revolvers lately.
As with anything handgun-related, the gun that’s most useful is the one you can shoot well.
But the most versatile small game gun has yet to be discussed, so let’s move on to…
Shotguns
Short answer: You can’t go wrong with a 12-gauge pump shotgun. With that said, there are always other options, but let’s talk about the good old 12-gauge pump first.
You might ask: “Why a 12-gauge, and why a pump gun?” Well, I’ll tell you; there are two main reasons.
- Availability of ammo. 12-gauge shells are ubiquitous. You can get ammo from 2 ¾” light trap loads to 3 ½” Roman candles, in every shot size known to man. You can get mil-spec or 3” mag buckshot, slugs, and oddball shells like Dragon’s Breath. The versatility of available 12-gauge factory ammo makes it the obvious choice.
- Ruggedness, reliability and versatility. Pump-guns are tough, easy to operate, and not prone to the fussiness about ammo that affects some semi-autos. If you’re a southpaw, you can find an Ithaca 37 or a Browning BPS that features bottom ejection, so you don’t have spent shells flying across your field of vision. There are literally millions of new and used pump shotguns available, which makes them something of an obvious choice.
I’m something of a fan of the 16 gauge, and the 20 is still widely available and a good choice for kids or the small-framed, but if you can only own one shotgun, buy a 12. If you can only own one gun, buy a 12-gauge pump-gun.
No matter what the gauge, the key to various types of small game is selecting the right choke, load and shot size. Look here:
- Quail/grouse/doves: Low-base loads, 7 ½ or 8 shot (AA trap loads are great here.) An improved-cylinder choke is enough for what is normally close shooting on quail and grouse, but open-country doves require an Improved-Modified or Full choke.
- Pheasant/rabbit/partridge: 2 ¾” field loads, 5 or 6 shot. Modified, Improved-Modified chokes are best.
- Hares/late season pheasant/sage grouse: 3” magnums, 4 or 5 shot. Choke as above.
- Spring turkey: 3 or 3 ½” magnums, buffered 4 or 6 shot. Most spring turkey hunters favor tight chokes, and there are quite a few full and extra-full specialty turkey choke tubes floating around the market.
There are special cases for waterfowl, but that’s probably a discussion for another day.
Now, there are other guns than pump guns, of course. Lots of folks prefer semi-autos, and the newer guns are more versatile than, say, the old Browning Auto-5 with its bearing bands that had to be reversed when moving from light to heavy loads. Doubles are still popular, and few shotguns handle as sweetly as a well-balanced side-by-side or over-under; and almost no guns are as beautiful as a well-made, engraved side-by-side stocked with a nice piece of walnut. And if your budget is tight, single-shots can be had for under a hundred bucks.
Now, if you are in a place where you must be quiet…
Air Guns
Air guns have come a long way since the Crosman pump-up BB gun I toted around when my age was still in single digits. In fact, if you read up on the Lewis & Clark expedition, they had come a long way before that, but let’s focus on today.
Air guns have a few things going for them. Ammo Is cheap; they can be purchased in most civilized places without all the Imperial foo-fraw about background checks and associated paperwork; they are quiet, which can be advantageous for discreetly disposing of pests in a built-up area. A good air gun for small game should be able to deliver 600fps or better with either a .177 or .22 lead pellet; I prefer the .22 but either will work OK on squirrel/rabbit sized game at short range. A good pump-up pellet pistol can be handy for discreet things as well, say if you have some bedraggled, exhausted house finches dragging baby cowbirds twice their size to your feeder. Now, it’s illegal to shoot the nest-bandit cowbirds and their freeloading offspring. I’m not saying I would use an inaudible, discreet pellet pistol to quietly dispose of such a pest. But if I were to do so, a pump-up .22 caliber pellet pistol would sure get the job done.
Trapping
This is just a tad off-topic, but trapping can be fun and even somewhat profitable, although not as profitable as it was back in the Seventies when I trapped every winter; the decline in popularity of fur garments and the rise of farmed furs, which are more consistent in color and quality, has led to a crash in wild fur prices. But trapping can be a good way to get small game in a survival situation. A steel trap or coil of snare wire has a big advantage over, say, a .22LR or 12-gauge shotgun cartridge; you can catch an edible critter in a trap, clean and re-set the trap and use it again. Once a round of ammo is expended, it’s expended.
When I was a little tad back in Allamakee County, Iowa, shortly after the Earth’s crust finished hardening, I kept myself in .22 shells and pizzas by running a trapline in the winter. Mostly muskrats and raccoons but the occasional fox or mink; I never focused much on trapping edible game (although raccoon ain’t bad stewed), but the principles involved in trapping, say, rabbits, are pretty much the same.
Maybe I’ll write up an article on trapping sometime.
Conclusions
Small game hunting is loads of fun. Seasons are measured in months instead of days or weeks, which means you can be a little choosier about the weather you want to deal with. Bag limits are often generous, you can bring in some healthy, free range, additive-free, low-fat protein, and spend plenty of time out in the great wide open. Licenses are cheaper. And these days, in our increasingly shut-in, urbanized population, competition for game isn’t all that tough.
Find you a good shotgun and bring in some bunnies or birds. You won’t regret it.
A fun informative read, I might hunt someday……..
Cheers Animal!
My jack-of-all-trades hunting gun is my .270. It’s taken everything from antelope up to elk (not to mention a whole bunch of coyotes). I’m reasonably certain it could take a moose if I ever drew a license for one. The thing I love about it is the variety of bullet weights and loads you can get off the shelf for it (not being a reloader myself) and how flat it is. In fact, about the only thing I haven’t used it for is feral hog hunting; for that I use my .45-70.
This year I bagged my antelope with .300 Blackout just for a change of pace.
I’ve never been much a small game/bird hunter, but the few times I’ve gone I’ve just used my Mossberg 500.
That and trying to pick off prairie dogs from 300 yards with a .223 on my uncle’s ranch. Pest control. The cattle can step in their holes and break a leg. Not to mention that they are filthy, disgusting, disease-ridden vermin.
Funny story: I once saw a tour bus full of East Asian tourists pulled over on the side of I-25 feverishly taking pictures of a prairie dog colony. They were absolutely delighted by them. Funny world we live in.
When you don’t have the live with the downsides of a pest, you cna be amused by their appearance and behaviour more readily.
PS, you should have started shooting the prairie dogs to see how the asians reacted.
*shrugs* They’re cute in zoos, which is the only place I’ve ever seen a prairie dog.
They carry the Plague.
Put the nozzle of the flamerthrower down the hole and flood the tunnels with burning napalm.
/no euphemism
We played with this toy in a vineyard management class one day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIMfir6r1Rc
What is it?
Rodenator Pro
A long metal tube. Has a hose at one end connected to propane tank (or something similar) which is off screen in this video. Pumps fuel into the ground. Also has a trigger on the user’s end that sparks an igniter on the end you stick into the ground. Pull the trigger, and the tunnel system goes boom. Kills and buries the critters in one simple action.
Even better.
Spackler was doing it all wrong.
I was visiting a friend in Colorado a few years ago, and was in the car when he pulled off to the shoulder of a major multi-lane highway, got an AR-15 out of the trunk, and started shooting prairie dogs from the sideof the road while cars zoomed past in both directions. To this day, it was about the coolest thing I’ve ever been a part of.
My father shoots a .270 and like you, he has taken just about every major game animal with it (my sister and mother both shot a moose with that rifle). I got a deal on a Ruger 7mm when I was younger and had visions of elk hunts dancing in my dreams. Last year, I bought a .243 for shooting white tails in Minnesoda. Much easier on the shoulder.
Was your sister bitten by the moose?
Moose bites can be pretti nasti!
Animal. You’re going to be in Lake Forest IL IIRC. Just thought I’d throw out this place in Lake Forest Il. New facility just over a year old. You can rent guns for shooting there.
http://www.northshoresportsclub.com/
But you do need an IL F.O.I.D. card to rent.
Fuck that noise. If I’m going to travel to rent a gun at a range, I’ll go back to texas.
Great article, Animal, well done!
By the way, I have left a note for you in a couple of recent dying threads, so I’m guessing I kept missing you. I grew up in Lake Forest IL and still have a lot of ties to the area. If you want some inside dope prior to your training trip there, please email me at c.anacreon at the gmail.
I’ll do that. I’ve been kind of frazzled lately starting up the new project, but will ping you for some advice. Looks like we’ll be here at least another week before heading back to Joisey.
I have a Gammo .177 air rifle that I use to great effect on the squirrels in the back yard. I get all the squirrels I need from my own reserve so I haven’t even bothered to go out to the woods in recent years.
I shoot rabbits in the garden with it as well. I’m not a fan of rabbit meat though, so those become fertilizer for the garden.
I’m currently shooting a semi-auto 12 ga, because my son liked my old over/under 12 ga shotgun. The other son also shoots an over/under. I sort of miss my old shot gun, but not enough to steal it back from the kid or buy a new one.
I have a formerly nice (it broke) air rifle. Break barrel and a scope. It was fantastic for vermin population control. I also have a .177 pistol that is shockingly accurate and fun to shoot.
My 870 has been a great gun, especially when I used to lurk in duck sloughs.
Great article, Animal! I really need to start hunting again.
870s are great. There are a million of em out there, so you can find a used one cheap.
They are like the AK-47 of the gun world.
Actually I think the AK-47 is the AK-47 of the gun world.
/snark
Don’t be silly. What do Cargo ships have to do with guns?
Find one made before 1993 if possible. The DuPont guns are the best 870s.
I got my lifetime license yesterday. I’m looking forward to doing some small game hunting in January
Always good to have this knowledge. My in-laws keep trying to get me hunting. Maybe I’ll make use of this and finally get my license.
Let me get this straight.
You want me to get up in the wee hours of the morning on my day off, to outside, in the weather, wander into the woods, where the ticks live, and meander about for the chance that I might actually get to shoot something?
This has always been my problem with hunting. That, and the cooooold!
At least the Cold keeps the ticks down.
One of the things I enjoy about fishing is, depending on how you do it, it’s either a good excuse to drink in the morning or something outdoorsy you can do even if you’re the kind of person who wakes up at the crack of noon.
*tosses dynamite in water*
*BOOM!*
*scoops fish from surface of lake*
*goes home*
You want me to get up in the wee hours of the morning on my day off, to outside, in the weather, wander into the woods, where the ticks live, and meander about for the chance that I might actually get to shoot something?
Yup. And it will be an awesome day, too.
Sometime let me tell you about the weird kind of masochism that is elk season.
In fact, that’s an article right there.
OT It’s a great day for Chick Fil A
I’m gettting lunch and Obama is doing a midterm speech. Since when do former presidents give midterm speeches?
When they’re so full of themselves that they can’t let go.
Did Jarrett forget to tell him he’s no longer President?
I saw that too and thought the same thing.
I have to believe Obama actively campaigning will increase Republican turnout.
And he is so arrogant and unself-aware that he is incapable of realizing that. Just like he was incapable of realizing that he eviscerated the Dems nationwide while he was in office.
That reminds me.
Put a convicted rapist of a man who claims to be a woman in prison with women, don’t act all shocked when he starts sexually assaulting the other inmates
Wow, that’s… not at all surprising.
Well, I find it a *little* surprising that they were stupid enough to do it.
I want to know if he demanded they scissor him or what…
They can’t keep his gender straight until the reveal that he’s got a penis and isn’t afraid to use it.
Yeah, unless there were three people involved, that sentence makes no sense. I guess Dangerfield couldn’t bring xirself to say “her penis”, and wasn’t allowed to refer to the male as “him”.
fake news, totally not from England, teeth are too white and straight.
“Her penis was erect and sticking out of the top of her trousers”
Something is wrong with this sentence.
It’s the progressive butchery of language that let them put a man, convicted of rape, in a prison full of his preferred victim type.
In case Evan searches here:
It is at St Vincent’s which was formerly St Mary’s. So, yes, Washington Ave.
“Believe in something even if it costs you everything.”
–Jim Jones
Believe in something even if you sacrifice everyone.
-Josef Stalin
Can’t take credit for that one, but it cracked me up.
I have an issue with foxes in my back yard. Little fuckers dig up the grass right at the back wall of my house. Any recommendation on the best kind of trap to use on them?
Here
But then how are you going to have the pelt turned into a trophy? it’ll be shredded!
The claymores are for the front of the house, don’tcha know.
Conibears. Kills instantly, the animal won’t make a fuss, they don’t mess up the fur. I’ve got a bunch in my string.
http://conibeartraps.com/match-your-target.html
I agree with your shotgun load choices, although most turkey hunters I know typically shoot #2 or larger. I use a Benelli SBE ll for waterfowl and a Browning Citori in 12ga for all other birds. I’ll be adding a 20ga for grouse.
most turkey hunters I know typically shoot #2 or larger
We use #6 or #7. Hit them in the head and neck like you are supposed to, and they go right down.
A 12 gauge is too much for Peter Cottontail. Chewing on all that shot kinda harms the experience, too.
A .410 is enough, and adds some sporting challenge, but a 20 gauge is probably perfect.
As a young’un, I had a Stevens .410/.22 over/under that was a sporting way to take rabbit or bird.
Animal – unfortunately not much you can hunt in NJ with a rifle…
Let me know if you want to go to the range in northwest NJ.
Good article. After quail hunting in a “no lead ammo” area with a shotgun I recommend to all to increase your shot size by one size to keep comparable killing potential. I had several frustrating days until a friendly game warden pointed that out to me.
I own and hunt with a .12, 16 and 20. The 16 is a personal favorite since it was my great grandfather’s and he handed it down to me when I was 9. It is near a century old now so it gets less use, but I try to do at least one hunt a year with it.
“Let me know if you want to go to the range in northwest NJ”
Would have been more interesting had you said northeast NJ. Interesting hunting to be found there.
I try to keep my distance from Mordor Island.
How far are you from Raritan? That’s where our temporary digs are.
Latest spoof: Believe in something even if it means taking a knee. {over a photo of Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan} /won’t link to fb
That’s good.
“Believe in Something.” What a slogan. Makes you feel good, pump your fist, and say “Yes!” Then you remember that Joe Stalin believed in something. So did Pol Pot, Ted Kaczinski, Jeff Davis, David Duke, that guy from Austria, and other idiots, fools, and criminals who have passed this way.
I believe that Trump is the product of a top secret hybrid (((lizard humanoid))), Roswell alien breeding project. Does that count?
This is what happens when you don’t pre-test your new ad campaign on 4chan.
that guy from Austria
Franz Klammer?
Alois’ son, name escapes me at the moment.
This guy….this fuckin’ guy. From WaPo:
Former President Obama on President Trump:
“He is a symptom, not the cause. He’s just capitalizing on resentments that politicians have been fanning for years.”
If anyone knows something about fanning resentments, it would be one Barack H. Obama.
Alright, now he’s just fucking with us.
He ain’t really wrong.
Just an asshole.
I’ll go grade school with my retort.
Takes one to know one.
This always bugged me because it was patently false. It is possible to recognize the symptoms and behaviours of a type of person without exibiting them yourself. However much a source of division and strife Barry is, it doesn’t mean that we are likewise agitators for seeing it and pointing it out.
And then there’s this:
Guess that’s another thing that happened during his administration that he was completely unaware of and only heard about on television.
I know people who think there is nothing compassionate about locking children up in detention centers, too. I don’t know why we don’t just offer this deal:
(1) If you want to stay here to contest our finding that you aren’t a refugee, you will be detained and your kid put in foster care rather than in jail with you, or
(2) If you want to stay with your kid, the border’s thataway.
But, we all know that Obama and his ilk are (now) pushing for catch and release. Bring a kid, any kid, with you through the criminal networks and hostile environments of the desert Southwest, and you get a free pass! Hell of an incentive there.
I notice that common ground for Obama always means you agreeing with him.
Is his self-awareness really so lacking that he doesn’t realize he just indicted himself as part of the problem? Nevermind, don’t answer that.
.357 Mag
I have been trying to come up with a good carry gun for hiking (currently only have 1 pistol, which is a 9mm). It would need to be able to stop up to and including a black bear should the need arise. I am thinking that this would be an appropriate caliber. Any thoughts?
Not sure if this has been discussed here… It’s a pretty good breakdown of pistols being used as defense against bear attacks by caliber.
Interesting that the 9mm in FMJ was so successful. I suppose it makes sense, but it definitely goes against the received wisdom that it’s too small a round for defense against a bear.
But then you’d be stuck with a metric gun.
As it refers in the article, the FMJ penetrated enough to hit vitals.
A hollow point or frangible would have a potential penetration problem on something like a bear.
You know who else had a hard time penetrating a Bear?
“They call me Grizzly Adams… ’cause I fucks b’ars!”
*Old Hustler cartoon, showing scarred up, one-eyed, amputee in bear skin clothes.
Most human attacks are psychological stops. Why would bears be any different?
I hope that’s a slideshow.
If you use a hot round, I’d say you’re ok against a black bear. It’s what I carry as a back up in the hinterlands.
Grizzly bear would be another story…
The left’s dreamboat, Robert O’Rourke (fuck his cutesy nickname) apparently thought this would be a good idea in Texas.
Yep, o’Rourke doesn’t want to get elected. He’s just doing it to fundraise.
I’m getting all gay cruise ads at the bottom of that page. Anyone else?
Nope.
Did you recently search for Gay Cruises?
No. And I’m not in the target demographic for either. Frankly, the cruise part sounds far worse than the all gay part.
Nope. We all have ad-blockers on.
No thanks, I’m spoken for.
By a dude?
No, he already has an exclusive deal with a gay cruise company.
” I don’t know why he wanted them down or what he was going to put up instead.”
This?
Da, da tovarisch!
What kind of idiot says “There’s too many American flags at my campaign event.” You’d think they would travel with a bunch of extras so that they could put more up everywhere they went.
Good luck finding a mold for the 22 Hornet. The smallest mold I can find is 55 gr. (made for the .223) and the bullets are too long for the twist in my hornets. I have two…a Ruger No.3 and a Kimber Super America bolt. Neither gun will stabilize those long bullets. I know that Lee will custom make a 6 cavity for me if I am willing to shell out the bucks but I dont shoot enough anymore to justify the expenditure.
The cast bullets I was using (45 grain cast) are apparently no longer available. I think I have maybe 50 left. Granted that’s about two year’s shooting with my one Hornet, but still – gonna have to research alternatives now.
Did someone say air rifle?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T9S3OBQ/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
I want one.
That’s pretty awesome. Do squirrels explode?
My go to guy on air rifles
OT: One of the most depressing things about the whole Trump election is watching a friend of mine who got me into libertarianism and forced me to think about what the role of government ought to be, slowly turning into a SJW. We were talking about the minimum wage and said that the government should raise it because it would force businesses to train folks for jobs in coding or the jobs for tomorrow. I disputed that of course and he threw out a jibe that I have this slavish devotion to the supply-demand curve even though I work in finance and was at one point all but in name a controller for one of the businesses my former boss had in Florida.
But the worst part of his transformation is that he’s slowly falling into the trap of identity politics. Like the Drug War for instance. I fucking hate it because it’s another tool that government can use to fuck with people. He only hates it because it’s harms brown folks (which is half true) but will outright dismiss you if you mention that white folks are also harmed by the Drug War. He sees the world through a collective lenses as opposed to seeing folks as individuals and expressed that the government should bring about equality as opposed to protecting people’s (negative) rights.
I think this partially stems from his wife (who is incredibly nice) being really Left but about also having children. I don’t know what is it about having babies, but it turns a lot of folks into raging statists who believe that the government should be the big protector and be there to prevent those undesirables from doing undesirable shit.
I’ve seen that too.
The war on drugs disproportionately affects black people. That’s a fact. It’s very well supported by evidence. But that isn’t why it needs to go, and it’s certainly bullshit to dismiss that white people are affected terribly by it.
So I’m laid up with this rotator cuff repair. Narcotics don’t do much for me or to me but I can admit this Percocet does seem to keep pain at bay. I am in no danger of becoming addicted.
But! Complying with the state’s new access to opioid laws are driving me up a nucking fall. It is most inconvenient to pick up an rx from my ortho once a week when *I can’t drive* and my husband works!
I am merely inconvenienced, but I resent that my fundamental liberty to engage in trade is so strangled. I can’t imagine how it must be for people with chronic pain.
I am in no danger of becoming addicted.
Anybody taking opioids is in danger of becoming addicted. Percocet has oxycodone, which has addicted more people than anything else. Be careful.
Thank you. I was going to protest that no, not me! but then remembered what you do for a living. I will be careful.
I’ve read studies that restricting opioids can cause addiction. The theory is if someone is hurting badly and you give them only enough to reduce pain and not eliminate it, then withhold pain medication until they hurt really bad again until you give it to them, it creates a strong psychological need for pain medication, vs just treating pain effectively.
That seems like a reasonable theory to me. Fortunately, I have a very high threshold of pain.
The literature on this is a freakin’ mess. That sounds plausible to me, but I think its pretty well established that the best way to avoid addiction when you are recovering from surgery or dealing with an injury (rather than chronic pain) is to take just barely enough opioids so you can stand it, and taper off as fast as you can.*
Opioid addiction is real addiction, not like gambling or other faux addictions. Its not a psychological thing, its a change in your brain chemistry: opioids wreck your endorphin system. While people vary in their susceptibility to opioid addiction, there is no “No, not me!”
*Caveat: lawyers are not a good source of clinical advice.
Pain is more than just an uncomfortable sensation. It causes stress on your body and can delay healing. I’m not saying to drug yourself into oblivion, but it is important to control your pain.
There is more to pain control than opioids. We have moved to an opioid as last resort model to reduce respiratory depression and decreased GI motility. I just never recommend the Steve Smith method, grin & bear it.
opioid as last resort model
That’s where we are, with the understanding that “last resort” means minimal dosing and rapid exit, as well, for post-procedural pain control. The change has also been away from making post-procedural patients “comfortable” to reducing pain to a tolerable level (“control”). Its a balance, and a bitch; the temptation is to solve the short-term problem without regard to the long-term/lifetime risks.
Chronic pain is a different animal.
If you set out to create a physical phenomenon that is hard to systematically study, you really couldn’t do worse than designing pain. It intermittent, impossibly to directly measure, subjective, swamped by placebo effect, swamped by nocebo effects, culturally mediated, mediated by childhood environment, etc.
I pick up my Wife’s Chronic pain meds once a month, Dilaudid, Methadone, and other opiods, I don’t have any issues at all, sorry about what they are doing to you.
Get Better Soon!
Holy shit, Yusef. That’s quite a cocktail.
I don’t like it at all, but the Woman is in a lot of pain, All the Time, so thanks for opiods, I suppose
Goodness gracious, Yusef! Lucky she has you taking care of her. Good man.
I see the same thing with my mother, who has MS. It fucking sucks.
Chronic
Regional
Pain
Syndrome
CRPS
They want protection for their babies but they are looking in the wrong place.
For any mom that is swinging left make sure to bring up Charlie Gard. Your right to take care of your kids, as you see fit, will be taken away.
This this this this.
That would never happen to them. it would only happen to parents who probably deserved it for some reason.
Like, let their kid become a significant monetary drain on the state?
One of the reasons I have a special hatred for BLM is that it came along at a point where we were just starting to seeing an inkling of a nudge toward some no-shit bi-partisan police reform. It was being spoken of seriously on both the left and the right.
Then along come the BLM idiots who insist that police violence is /purely/ a racial issue and pick as their poster boys a couple of violent thugs (whistles in canine) of St. Trayvon of the Skittles and St Micheal of the Swisher Sweets. And it then becomes a left vs. right divide and there has been no progress.
If I were suspicious I’d almost think this was on purpose.
This X infinity. I’ve spent years bring up police brutality to people I know or interact with online, trying to get people who normally are reflexively pro-cop (as I used to be) because they consider themselves law and order types. Had many productive conversations. Then Ferguson happened, and all of those constructive discussions went “poof” because the surest possible way to torpedo any such debate is by injecting race into it. I can yell until I’m blue in the face about Kelly Thomas, Daniel Shaver, Jose Guerena, James Boyd, etc, and now no one cares because everything has been frozen into a discussion of race.
The Kelly Thomas killing was a horrible thing, unnerving and Disgusting……
I mean, let’s assume that the BLM people are right and that wypipo are sort of inherent racists. Which of the following two methods are going to get them to go against the cops?
1. Talk about how the cops kill other wypipo and some clearly innocent coloreds…I mean, people of color like Eric Garner and Tamir Rice, to gain sympathy for the cause of police reform by showing them their own interests are at stake as well?
2. Focus on criminal scumbags who got exactly what they asked for and push the idea that only blacks are suffering from this?
Gee, let’s go with number 2. That’ll work.
“it would force businesses to train folks for jobs in coding”
Laughable. Businesses hire people who already know how to code.
That’s in no way a minimum wage job, either. A complete non-sequitur.
Exactly. Cause what the grocery store needs is a coder to scan groceries and put them in bags. Fucking morons.
The clerks and the burger flippers can program the robot that they will be replaced with.
Sure they can, as soon as they get some motivation, get off their ass and get the training.
No shit. If there are businesses training coders, they are few and far between. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve talked to who had done at least some coding on their own and would kill to find someone to give them a shot.
Companies stopped training developers because they then would have to drastically raise their pay to avoid others poaching them, and most didn’t want to both train them and pay them what they were then worth. So training stopped, especially with the wave of idiots that told them they could solve the problem with outsourcing. Now that many companies are realizing that outsourcing sucks balls, left without these programs, they either have to pay a ton of money to old people with the skills/experience, or pray some youngster they hire isn’t going to just suck ass at a huge cost. The problem is the gap this created. There are not enough people in the middle.
I don’t disagree with any of this, but when I look at what I bill as a consultant versus what I could pay as a manager to have 3 of 5 young people fail — and probably 2 of those go be productive somewhere else in my IT department, it just seems short-sighted. But I also have to admit that no interview I gave a 20-24 year old with no experience would tell me whether or not they were going to be a good coder, and a good fit for coding reliably. I would probably ask at least two questions:
1) Did you ever take apart your electronic toys to see how they worked?
2) Tell me about how you learned something difficult using only the internet.
And then I would have 3-5 logical problems to solve.
But I also have to admit that no interview I gave a 20-24 year old with no experience would tell me whether or not they were going to be a good coder, and a good fit for coding reliably.
We always did highly technical, adaptive interviews. They were grueling, and everybody failed at some point during the interview, but you could tell which kids were still at a 200-level understanding of computers and who were at a 400- or 500-level understanding of computers.
I’ll add that the source of the resumes is important, too. I was super impressed with the talent pool including the EE/CS kids we got from Stanford, MIT, and other top tier engineering schools. I was profoundly disappointed one year when our opening was mainly circulated to an information management prof at UT-Dallas. People with CS masters’ degrees who couldn’t tell me the difference between pass by value and pass by reference. The guy we hired was a lazy mess of an intern and left me holding pieces of a project that was supposed to be done over the summer. That’s what happens when you hire at the last second…
I was super impressed with the talent pool including the EE/CS kids we got from Stanford, MIT, and other top tier engineering schools.
It would be awesome to be able to hire those type of people as fresh developers. I was thinking about the 22 year old humanities dropout that I was when I got my first coding job. Or really, anyone else who didn’t have a resume to be a coder-trainee. Fuck yes, I’ll take an EE from a top tier engineering school. CS — meh. Half the CS guys I know want to roll their own framework from bare metal or something rather than write code that works on an existing framework. Its good to have one or two, but I don’t want to staff my department with those guys. I’d rather have the guy who built an Arduino controlled kegerator.
I have a CS degree for a mid-tier state U. Of course, I doubled in physics and got a minor in math. My first gig out of school was writing real-time software for aircraft simulators.
Still a mixed bag. In my experience (which is admittedly 15-20 years ago) 80% of them will be asking you 3 months in exactly how long they have to wait until they can get a management or senior architect position, preferably with a corner office.
I have a business degree (ok, cheating a little – MIS/Finance) but, yeah, some of the CS majors are up in their own heads too much, no awareness of what’s going on in the world.
I’m thinking of the guy with the newly minted Masters in CS who was complaining that we could only get him a machine with 512GB of RAM and 24 CPUs, or somesuch – “my data set is too big for that, how am I supposed to get this to work? I need a bigger machine!”.
This was well after Hadoop and the other map-reduce technologies were in general use – I still have no idea how he was able to get that far without even hearing about such things.
“It would be awesome to be able to hire those type of people as fresh developers. I was thinking about the 22 year old humanities dropout that I was when I got my first coding job. ”
See, maybe this is where I have been lucky, because I have always been able to figure out the people that will go on to do well. As I mentioned before, I am more impressed by can-do problem solvers that are both self-starting and motivated enough to figure shit out on their own..
You will be surprised how much you can get from someone by asking them what they would do when asked to code something they lacked understanding of (because of bad specs or simply because they were green)and then when they started working got stuck. There are a few that will have their eyes light up as they tell you how much they will enjoy figuring it all out and how they would take it upon themselves to figure out what needs to be done to complete the task. The ones that just answer like this because they have been told what to say will lack that spark.
While at first their work might not be quality work, you can mold them and help guide them. One of the most important skills I have found will shape a good developer is knowing when they have spent enough time trying to solve something on their own and should ask for help. That ability is harder to gauge, and rarer. I myself was a stubborn bastard that took a long time to figure out sometimes you just needed to say I am pissing away time and need to ask.
I surmise that with the lot of oft entitled kids I have seen these days neither trait is common, and they quickly give themselves away when they tell you they don’t really feel obligated to work that hard.
Note that I have also found that people with degrees in fields other than CS that require problem solving tended to make the best programmers (so I am biased as an BS AE/EE & MS EE). Especially when they went into IT very early on in their employment life.
The problem is Occupational Arrogance. Everybody has it, don’t kid yourself. The manager that is extremely adept at working with the latest technologies thinks that new tech is the answer for all problems. The problem-solver thinks that a new algorithm is always the solution. The business analyst thinks procedures need to be changed.
The reality is sometimes one of these is right, sometimes two of these are right, and sometimes all three are right. But they can’t communicate for shit. The people who are best at communicating aren’t masters at any of the above skills. The problem gets worse as the size of the shop increases.
“I learned reloading at Glibertarians.com”
Can you start tomorrow?
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If you start with the presumption that the purpose of a business is to provide employment for X number of people, the rest follows logically.
I don’t know either. As a parent, I am certain that the biggest threat to my children’s safety and well-being is the myriad of ways, small and large, in which the government might choose to fuck up their lives.
Yep. I just dropped a grand on preemptive legal protection from the government school guild. The ways a petty bureaucrat could attempt to destroy my children’s lives for opting out are endless and happens every day across the country.
I bet the Founding Fathers never envisioned such a day when a parent must spend so much money on protection from having the local schoolteachers collude with the local government to have you or your children hauled off for noncompliance. Happens every damn day.
If you don’t mind saying, what was the form of the preemptive legal protection? Timeshare deal on a safe house in case you have to go underground?
Oh it’s just an organization that provides legal assistance for any homeschool related matters, including CPS investigations if it stems from homeschooling. From a simple phone call to the school system to full representation in court if necessary.
I did not know such organizations existed. It makes sense and, as you already said, it’s also sad that there’s enough demand for that service to keep them in business. Basically protection money against the government. Thanks for the answer.
” I don’t know what is it about having babies,”
The daycare bills. The parents suddenly want free shit because God forbid they have to sacrifice something because of their choice. No, they feel they shouldn’t have to sacrifice but it’s A-OK for everybody else to have to cough up. They justify their selfishness by putting up the SJW Shield.
This is no shit. I was paying $295/week for daycare for two last year. I make pretty good money, but I was still working most of my Monday just to keep the kids in daycare. I can’t imagine what working class people do.
Did you suddenly decide that it was only fair for other people to pay for it?
I’m not gonna lie, the $50/week discount because the older one went into VPK, which is state subsidized in FL, buys a lot of beer and wine.
Meh, I’m not personally a “You took money from the debil, you are tainted!” type. I still don’t see you advocating for government-paid daycare.
And if I do see that, you’re dead to me, assuming that I remember it.
Since I don’t feel like waiting for Afternoon lynx for this (but will repost it there), though this could qualify as an animal that deserves to be hunted.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/09/06/shooting-reported-cedars-near-dallas-police-headquarters?utm_content=bufferea6df&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
tl;dr: Dallas police officer somehow enters home that she thinks is hers, but isn’t (doesn’t say whether she was drunk or high, I’m guessing drunk). Sees person inside. You know, the person the home belongs to. ??? happens. The person in his rightful place in his own home is shot and killed.
Looks like they’re actually going to charge the officer here, with something. They’re not saying what that something is. She’s on paid vacation for now.
Edit: Article was updated since I first read it. Manslaughter. Not murder for some reason.
It’s only murder when you do it in your own apartment.
Manslaughter tells me she was probably drunk off her ass. Murder requires intent.
*for members of the ruling class only
Paywalled. I don’t suppose they gave the killer’s name, did they?
Nope – but the young man she killed for the hell of it worked for PWC and had lots of potential.
This article reminds me that I recently came into a single shot .410 and a couple of Remington automatics in 20 and 12 ga. I need to find a clay range and see how they operate.
I have an old .410 I inherited from my grandfather. I have done nothing with it.
Me too – I need to take it to and get the bore cleaned – it won’t eject high-brass cartridges. When Grandpa was a kid, he was hunting rabbits for dinner during the Depression with it. Using low or no-brass shells which is probably how the barrel got fouled.
“a single shot .410”
Step into an alley with it.
The road goes on forever… for the chick. The party ends pretty abruptly if you’re a dude.
Don’t put the pussy on a pedestal.
I need to find a
clay range and seegunsmith to check how they operate.Unless you got them from somebody you trust to maintain them well, of course.
I need to find a
clay range and seegunsmithexpendable cousin to check how they operate.I’m sure they were in good working order when they were put in a closet 30 years ago. I took them apart and cleaned them and there was nothing that made me too worried. Everything moved well, with no sticking. Barrels looked good. No rust or buildup. Its probably worth doing, but someone cleaned them at least once before putting them in the closet and forgetting about them.
We used to “test” old guns by putting them in an old tire and pulling the trigger with a string.
A gunsmith’s opinion is probably a much better idea.
Lindsey Graham Kicking Ass? Hell yes he does, skip ahead past the news reader guy, totally worth it,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpmRsgHvGtg
Kelly and Mattis set him, uh, straight.
Spit roasted him?
Gross, dude.
Thanks for the article. I almost missed it. Stupid job.