Recently I got into an interesting OT discussion here at Glibs regarding voting. The subject in question was, as best I can capture it, what is the best demographic criteria for voting to assure libertarian outcomes? This is a subject that could easily turn into a treatise which I am neither qualified or inclined to write (I’m lazy). Instead I’d rather quote some other people and allow you fine people to weigh in and/or get on with your OT links.
According to Wikipedia:
“Voting is a method for a group, such as, a meeting or an electorate to make a collective decision or express an opinion, usually following discussions, debates or election campaigns. Democracies elect holders of high office by voting. Residents of a place represented by an elected official are called “constituents”, and those constituents who cast a ballot for their chosen candidate are called “voters”. There are different systems for collecting votes.”
If you accept the proposed definition one must concede that voting by its very nature is a collectivist pursuit. Lysander Spooner, as most of you well know, makes a pretty solid argument that voting is bullshit.
“As we can have no legal knowledge as to who votes from choice, and who from the necessity thus forced upon him, we can have no legal knowledge, as to any particular individual, that he voted from choice; or, consequently, that by voting, he consented, or pledged himself, to support the government. Legally speaking, therefore, the act of voting utterly fails to pledge any one to support the government. It utterly fails to prove that the government rests upon the voluntary support of anybody. On general principles of law and reason, it cannot be said that the government has any voluntary supporters at all, until it can be distinctly shown who its voluntary supporters are.”
He later concludes:
“The ostensible supporters of the Constitution, like the ostensible supporters of most other governments, are made up of three classes, viz.: 1. Knaves, a numerous and active class, who see in
the government an instrument which they can use for their own aggrandizement or wealth. 2. Dupes – a large class, no doubt – each of whom, because he is allowed one voice out of millions in deciding what he may do with his own person and his own property, and because he is permitted to have the same voice in robbing, enslaving, and murdering others, that others have in robbing, enslaving, and murdering himself, is stupid enough to imagine that he is a “free man,” a “sovereign”; that this is “a free government”; “a government of equal rights,” “the best government on earth,”2 and such like absurdities. 3. A class who have some appreciation of the evils of government, but either do not see how to get rid of them, or do not choose to so far sacrifice their private interests as to give themselves seriously and earnestly to the work of making a change.”
I am reasonably confident that I (and probably the lion’s share of you fine people) fall into the third category. I’d love to do the work of “making a change” but lack the imagination to put forward a better system and cannot in good faith promote an alternative that is much more than wild speculation.
So, for lack of a better system than a constitutional republic, I believe we for the foreseeable future stuck with electing slimy sociopaths to ostensibly represent our interests in the body politic. Most, I dare say, if not all of us agree with Alexander de tocqueville’s prophetic observation:
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
We see this play out year after year, election after election. I’ll go out on another limb and dare suppose that many of us agree that the appeal of “free shit” will be popular in any race and among all demographics. That being said if Bernie and She Guevera of have shown us anything it’s that young people and recent immigrants are, at least at present, very susceptible to the politics envy and the appeal of hand-outs. Eager to capitalize on this phenomena, the political left seems to be eager to expand voting rights to non-citizens and 16 year olds. I’ll again speculate that if they got their way it would only be a few years until they were making appeals that it is a great injustice non-resident/non-citizens and 14 year- olds are being denied their right to vote. The question I’d like to have answered is; is there a just rationale for limiting voting to certain demographics? Many of our founding fathers favored restricting the vote to not only property owners but specifically white property owners. While my intent is not to disparage our founding fathers one doesn’t have to think very hard as to why this criteria is ‘problematic,’ if I may borrow a common phrase from our left-leaning friends. Setting aside the racial overtones it still was a less than perfect protection against the appeal of legal plunder. In the discussion Suthenboy astutely pointed out:
“With that rule the wealthier property owners jack up taxes to price everyone out of ownership, then buy up everything. As I said, around the last turn of the century only timber companies, railroads and insurance companies would have been able to vote. It is a disaster.”
So we see that limiting voting rights to property owners has it’s own pitfalls. Heroic Mulatto proposed:
“The pre-frontal cortex doesn’t finish development until around 32 years of age. If we define adulthood as the completion of maturation, then it should start at 30 (to give it a nice round number). Likewise, voting and other adult rights and responsibilities should be delayed until then. I am serious.”
While upping the age limit for voters would appear to have it’s merits, I think it would also have it’s unintended consequences. What of young property owners and their interests? What gives a middle-aged failure more right to a ballot box that a young and successful entrepreneur? If the issue of social security has shown us anything it is that the old are not immune to voting themselves plunder from the public treasury either.
I have no proposed solutions and this article has already run on longer than I intended and touched on more freshmen-level civics topics than I meant to. I earnestly look forward to the lesson I’m about to receive from the Glibertariat.
A lot to get my head around, too many questions, which makes for a great article, Thanks Bob!
I like Hm’s Proposition, as well as Heinline’s, Wanna Vote? Serve the State
Reduce the power the State has over my life by about 99% and then I’ll give that idea serious consideration.
Agreed
what is [sic] the best demographic criteria for voting to assure libertarian outcomes?
None. MAke gov’t so inconsequential that voting becomes unnecessary, My apologies for pulling the change the subject answer answer.
I’m reminded of the ST:TNG episode where Q suggests to Picard that he solve the problem by changing the gravitational constant of the universe.
Yeah, it’s crazy but no more crazy than thinking that limiting the vote to a certain demographic will solve things either.
One vote will cost you one of your own fingers. If you’re going to vote to steal shit, at least then you’ll have skin in the game.
Nice article Bob.
It’s just a recently formed thought, but it’s not clear to me that voting is even necessary or desirable if we had a minarchist state. Enshrine a set of core laws governing the court system, borders, and the military, and then seal it.
Supervisors of the system (the night watchmen) are randomly selected citizens and replaced frequently, making it a true civil service. Perhaps some restrictions should be placed on the pool of citizens that could be picked from. Make it a crime on par with murder for any night watchman to try and expand the laws while acting in that official capacity.
Just spit balling here. It’s based on the principle that after having a drafted a protection of negative rights, any addition laws will only serve to take away freedom and march towards tyranny.
A friend’s father is the biggest asshole in the world. If he saw someone, anyone, throw a candy wrapper on the ground, he’d get in their face and tell them to pick it up. Cut in line, forget to use your blinker, not hold the door for someone etc. He’d be there to let you know that you fucked up and not to do it again. Everybody hated him. He ended up divorced and living in a pathetic little apartment by himself until he kicked the bucket at 80 or so. The guy worked his ass off for 30 years and, from what I know, was a model employee and I never saw him once let his wrath go at someone who didn’t deserve it at least a little. People want that asshole on the wall, but they sure as hell don’t want to be around him. He’d have made a great night watchman.
“is there a just rationale for limiting voting to certain demographics? ”
Anyone collecting any form of government money should not be voting because of a conflict of interest. Includes social security, military, government workers, gov contractors, etc, One of the many reasons I don’t vote. Anyone not paying income tax should not be voting. I have explained to those that say “If you don’t vote you can complain” with “If you do vote you can’t complain” You bought your ticket, you take the ride.
Change can vote to can’t vote
Now change can complain to can’t complain
Serve and Vote, or Shut up! Starship Troopers had my favorite Scheme, act like you give Shit, then you can vote, you still have all the basic Himan rights, but Voting shouldn’t be a right, but a privilege
And, of course, proto-Commie Verhoven had to go and screw up such an excellent story.
Technically your right to vote is a States’ Rights issue. we have no federal elections. All issues relating to voting should be handled by your state.
Out of curiosity, let’s say military or FedGov worker, can you vote in local elections?
I want to know why people assume that, upon seeing the fucked-up mess that is the inner workings of government, I’d vote for more of it just because they happen to sign my paycheck.
It’s a job. I can’t even influence agency policy, let alone government policy.
“Anyone not paying income tax should not be voting.”
Then anyone not voting should not be paying taxes.
I would say, anyone not paying taxes, everyone does
My wife used to say she shouldn’t have a say because she doesnt vote. I have convinced her that NOT voting is still a vote and you have your voice no matter what.
Cast a write-in vote. It’s what I do.
Joe Walsh 2020!
Vermin Supreme!
HEY YUFUS!
You should see his modular.
I get the same government as the voters. Elections come during deer season, I decide which is more important and more meaningful.
“The pre-frontal cortex doesn’t finish development until around 32 years of age. If we define adulthood as the completion of maturation, then it should start at 30 (to give it a nice round number). Likewise, voting and other adult rights and responsibilities should be delayed until then. I am serious.”
Citing the development of the pre-frontal cortex as an indication of maturity is arbitrary, twice over. Whereas it is generally agreed that wisdom is something gained with experience. That doesn’t always happen. Experience and age are not the same. And there are plenty of old fools. Wisdom is not something that can either be quantified, nor measured. However, maintaining records of how old people are workable. If you are treated as an adult by the government, whether by its military or courts of law, then you should be able to vote in that same government’s elections. There should be no requirement for intelligence, education, ownership of property, etc. especially if those same requirements do not exempt one from prosecution, conscription, or any other civic duty.
*citation needed
But I dont disagree with you
I was quoting Bob quoting HM.
I would read more things posted here, but actually RTFA is a violation of the TOS.
And I’m lazy.
RTFM is my mantra
That’s pretty much where I stand. Reduce the government’s power like I mentioned above and the question of who gets to vote settles itself.
Jesus, people.
When have I ever been serious about being serious?
….you serious?
Very serious
Damn, it’s gonna be time to watch that soon.
When you seriously quit posting Thicc Thursday?
Who said I quit?
I’m just focusing on quality over quantity now.
That’s the problem, though. *I’m* still here every Thursday, thicc or not.
I cleaned my fridge tonight. I found two boiled eggs that have been ruminating in a jar of banana pepper juice for who knows how long. Maybe 6 months? I am thinking of having them for breakfast so I can share them with my co-workers later in the afternoon.
As to voting, I agree with HM. A man who links to porn hub knows what he is talking about and teenagers are fucking idiots as well as the vast majority of 20 somethings. I also half agree with fourscore above. I don’t think gov employees or anyone working for a contractor to the gov should be able to vote bigger gov. There is a reason the counties surrounding DC are the wealthiest in the fucking country. I also think that term limits would substantially degrade the importance of who we are voting for. The gross government overreaches we now live under seem to be pushed hardest by those who have made a career of being the ones who know best because they are the ones in the club and can stay in the club and damn few of them think the government is doing too much and is too big.
“I am thinking of having them for breakfast so I can share them with my co-workers later in the afternoon.”
I like the way you think.
I actually read westernsloper’s plan out loud to Mr. Mojeaux, who groaned.
This is good:
https://twitter.com/danilic/status/1036779958708797441
“There Are Whales Alive Today Who Were Born Before Moby Dick Was Written
Some of the bowhead whales in the icy waters off of Alaska today are over 200 years old”
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/there-are-whales-alive-today-who-were-born-before-moby-dick-was-written-660944/
That.is. Awesome!
I was knocked off of the Website for the last Hour with an error 500, what is that?
Sup Tres! Tall cans and water!
Squirrels probably decided to go all Bolshevik
Welcome back!
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Soccer fan.
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Ahhh God! fake or not, what Gorgeous Woman!
Thanks Q, you always cheer me up 🙂
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Best of the bunch.
In Most ways, I like it here better than IRL, at least We are mostly not dumb, and I are speak gud,
How about this, along with voting for candidates, you vote for the federal budget for the next year relative to the current year’s budget. +10%, +5%, 0%, – 5%, – 10%. Your portion of the budget (based on a basic flat or progressive tax) accounting for your vote is due upon submitting your vote for counting. The actual federal budget is the receipts from voting day, and the elected officials are constitutionally forced to operate within a balanced budget.
Human Nature fucks that all up,
I think it would be interesting to see which part of human nature wins out, the free shit part or the not I part.
(those who don’t vote would still owe their share at the 0% rate on voting day, incentivizing voting by potentially getting a discount on the tax bill)
Trsh, in the DS9 Episode “In The Pale Moonlight”, Garak knows he’s going to create a fake optolithic data rod so Sisko gives up 85 L of biomimetic gel for no reason.
Theory: Garak was secretly working in his own terrorist cell and took advantage of the situation for his own nefarious benefit.
Sounds legit.
Garak is more my hero than a lot of IRL “heroes”.
Have you read “A Stitch in Time”?
Negatory. Good?
OK, after finding it, I’s a gonna read it for suuuuure.
I could “hear” Andrew Robinson’s voice as I read the entire book.
“Come to Daddy!”
Oh wait, different role.
It’s interesting that not one, but two DS9 actors have been in Hellraiser movies.
I don’t remember which one I saw first but I do remember thinking what a terrible actress she was in that Hellraiser movie and what a not-terrible actress she was on DS9.
I’ve heard snitches get stitches. Is that similar?
Actually, in a way, yes.
+1 it’s a faaaaaake!!!
Best episode of the series (IMO) and top 5 for all franchises (again IMO).
I might have to do another binge-watch thru the series again – it’s been at least a year.
If voting makes one complicit, then voting is amoral and shouldn’t be done. I dont know that simply by voting one should be indicted as a co conspirator in government though. Maybe they should be. I personally almost never vote. I think I have only done so 2 times in my life. Both times was to vote against a county sales tax increase that was kn the ballot to fund a new jail. The tax increase passed anyway, so the two times I participated in democracy the outcome wasnt what I wanted.
Who should be allowed to vote?
I doubt that you can find a class of people who won’t vote for their own self interest most of the time. Universal suffrage sucks, but so does restricted suffrage. The problem lies with government itself. It will always find ways to expand its power until outside forces force it to collapse.
If we want a limited government, we would have to form an unlimited government to contain the limited one. Maybe abolishing the government forcefully every 1p years or so and make them start from scratch would work, but I doubt it.
A lot of old men in Europe voted for young men, who weren’t allowed to vote, to go to war and die. Restricted suffrage is not the answer.
Agreed. Voting isn’t the problem, government power is the problem.
“The problem lies with government itself. It will always find ways to expand its power until outside forces force it to collapse.”
Very true. Dovetails into my theory that no system of human interaction, no matter how clever, can exist indefinitely. The Founders tried with all the limitations placed on the FedGov in the Constitution and we can see how that’s died a slow death over time. Best you can do is try to tame gov’t’s power, but in the end, the outcome is the same.
I think the closest thing to a solution is a market. If we still had a Toquevillian laboratories of democracy situation in the US, states would be incentivized to treat their citizenry better or else lose their population. That incentive is quite muted in the world of leviathan fedgov
I agree
If the U.S. has any hope of truly becoming a more libertarian country, then federalism and government competition between the several states is the only way I can see it happening. Governments problem is that its has a monopoly. If it were subjected to market forces it would have to improve. The fedgov being the arbiter of everything in this country destroys that market.
https://imgur.com/HgUlEa5
And this is funny.
I, Tonya is worth a watch.
Margot Robbie is absurdly beautiful. If she had DD’s I’d have physical evidence for G-d’s existence.
It’s fun to she how they underplay her beauty in that movie.
Agreed.
Yeah, Margot Robbie all day and all night for sure.
Tonya was very Fuckable back in the Day, that is all,
Uh, no. Nancy Kerrigan, horse teeth aside, yes.
I guess you haven’t seen the sex tape. Harding is a trooper.
Damn, that’s the best one yet.
For me the question isn’t as much as who should vote, but if voting matters at all. My (distant) cousin, Andrew Gelman, found that for the 2008 Presidential election, the odds of an individual’s vote being a decisive one was, at its highest, 1 in 10 million in NM, VA, NH and CO, with a national average of 1 in 60 million. Additionally, he claims that voting is only rational (in the sense that economists use the term) when an individual votes for the benefit of a larger affinity group he or she identifies with. Voting has no utility when voting purely for individual benefit. As such, I question the utility of popular voting at any level above local municipal government.
*If you’re interested in the number crunching behind voting models.
However, the more people that take that attitude, the more your vote counts. If you’re trying to get everyone on this board to not vote so yours counts more I’ve uncovered your plot! Not that it would’ve mattered, I think a pretty big percentage already don’t vote.
I vote against stuff. At least I can say I didn’t consent.
Voting is for Losers, unless you win, then Yea Team!
Idiots……
If voting really mattered, they would never let us do it-
Heinlein, I think.
All about the feels…..
I’m confused bc the links HM posted were …normal
Site is back up. Yeah.
Don’t shit where you eat, but if it’s where you cook, maybe there’s an exception.
Weirdly, in between clicking on the link at AoS and testing it to post here, the listing was taken down. Maybe kitchens en suite are a hot commodity right now.
E Coli much? are we now Chinese or some shit?
My cousin’s Hell’s Kitchen apartment had a bathtub in the kitchen, but no toilet
Sounds it could be a scene in a surreal story at Cafe Irreal.
http://cafeirreal.alicewhittenburg.com/index.htm
I’m just dumb. The listing is still up, but the pad is unavailable in lovely, scenic St. Louis.
Yeah who wouldn’t snap that up
If you go way to the top of the arch, look out the window and blur your eyes a bit, St. Louis doesn’t look so bad.
I would have guessed New York. For a million dollars.
I just ran across this listing for an apartment in the complex my wife and I lived in back when we were in school.
From the pics, it looks like they have spruced it up quite a bit. However, I can’t believe they want $895?!??!!! My wife and I left in outrage when they tried to jack the rent up to $350/mo. (1993?)
Inflation alone gets you from $350 to a bit over $600. “Real estate appreciates faster than inflation” is not a shocking story.
895? That’s just the electric bill, right?
There’s also the problem of asking 18 year-olds to go out and ‘kill the yellow man’. You can’t then tell them they can’t vote. Or can you?
On the other hand, young people generally aren’t mature enough or don’t have enough skin in the game and their vote will reflect that. Hence, a socialist will usually sound a more romantic and edgy option with some of them. Successful young people are an exception to this rule I reckon.
Or more bluntly, you end with dope-twits like Trudeau who stacks his cabinet with still even doper-twits people like Chrystia Freeland and Bill Morneau.
Meaning the Liberals got a lot of the young votes.
At the New York state fair last weekend, I made the point repeatedly to the wife and friends that almost all of the people there could vote. I weep for Western society.
Were people jousting, throwing pies at each other and revelling in general gaiety at this state fair?
No jousting, not many gays, and lots of pies (and other deep-fried “delicacies”) being crammed into partially-toothed maws.
https://youtu.be/xIraCchPDhk
I dont much disagree with mr. Carlin about voting.
People in general vote for Free Shit, Why not? You don’t have to pay for it, and when the bill comes, someone else will pay for it, it will end, Bad
I listened to Larry Sharpe ((L) candidate for NY state governor) on Rogan’s recent podcast. Dude is pretty sure he’s going to win, but overlooks the fact that he has a highly grating personality.
Gotta show Balls to win though…
Yep, yep, yep. Absolutely. Yep. Yep. Yep.
Huh. As a New Yorker, I’m reasonably sure he is not going to win.
i live in Cali, why vote at all? all the way down the ticket is Socialists, nevermind, just Bail out….
I haven’t voted in years but what the hell, it might be fun to vote for a long list of losers again. And “No” on every proposition sight unseen.
If Sharpe could get 50K votes, the Libertarians get an automatic ballot line for the next four years.
In Cali, I found it to be a waste of my time. In Idaho, for the exact opposite reason, I find it to be a waste of my time. I still vote.
Then We are well and truly Fucked
Nah. Never underestimate the power of American apathy.
This story is what is wrong with journalism today.
Looks like the latest socialist darling went down in flames today in Delaware. Go ahead and read the tongue bath they give to the socialist Harris in that story and then tell me what the voting totals were.
An entire story about an election and the only info I could find about the results of it were “Earning over a third of the vote in the primary, Harris mounted a strong campaign against the Delaware veteran.”
I guess math must be hard.
“I guess math must be hard.”
Well we are talking about socialists, so anything evidence based is difficult for them tonunderstand
?
AKA: Rabble rouser, aka: wanna be neo-Bolshevik revolutionary.
“The latest insurgent Democrat over-performed once again. But this time it wasn’t enough.”
There’s no sugarcoating it.
I’ve never voted and hope I never vote in the future. What would the government have to do for you to use violence to fight back or to move to another country?
Land reform.
I know, FUCK YOU!
/Welcome
Bring back the draft.
Off the top of my head? Gun confiscation would be a big one. Messing with private land ownership would be another, along Lachowsky’s lines. Egregious violations of the 4th Amendment, like enforced vaccinations or medical procedures. Relocating people by force would be another.
The day after Trump got elected I was in a weird Facebook comment thing, back when I was on Facebook, and there was someone who said that they were afraid that Trump’s election would mean some sort of government-sanctioned round-up of LGBT folks, and I said in all seriousness that the reason the 2A exists is so that people could resist such a thing, and that he/she/xer/whatever could rely on the fact that most of the people Clinton referred to as deplorables would be the same people in the streets keeping that from happening.
Voting works the same as addiction. People will keep turning to the drug until they lose everything and hit rock bottom. Some people will recognize the danger involved and opt out, but they have the gun pointed at their heads and are forced to live with the junkies.
I’d like to think that right now there’s some confused lesbian who identifies as a tree buying an AR and flying a Gadsden flag.
Universal gun confiscation.
401k nationalization
I hadn’t thought of that. That would be another.
Be assured that others have thought of that.
Central bank policy already is doing that indirectly.
True, but that’s a side-effect of policy, not the goal. There are a pile of people who are in favor of flat-out seizing of retirement funds (in return for T-bills or SS credits or some other bullshit).
The key to state takeovers is to do it incrementally and in a way that is confusing to the public. You need the giant govt first. “It may be a behemoth, but it’s not malevolent. We can fix it.” No, you can’t. Govt and it’s cronies are masters at manipulation. You can’t win.
*cashes out 401k, buys bullets and gold*
Sorry to point that stuff out. Life isn’t easy. Let me leave it at this: May you live in boring times.
Nah, it’s cool – systemic risk is a thing I’m aware of. It’s a balancing act – 401k still makes sense, but it’s not all my wealth.
https://www.registerguard.com/news/20180906/federal-appeals-court-upholds-ruling-that-dismissed-immigrant-driver-card-lawsuit
9th Circus surprisingly uses technical grounds not to require states to issue driver’s licenses to illegals. Now since the 5 filing suit admit in legal filings they’re not in this country, why the hell isn’t ICE picking them up and deporting them? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
*not in this country legally
“The organization, which is based in McMinnville, is now backing a November ballot measure that would overturn Oregon’s “sanctuary” law”
The court declared immigration a federal issue in the ruling (if I read that correctly). Sounds like the sanctuary law would fall under that precedent.
Hah hah. It’s only a federal matter to overturn a state law regarding immigration if it’s anti-illegal such as Arizona’s or California’s Prop 187. Sanctuary laws, or extending benefits to illegals, are totes fine, even if they are plainly in conflict with federal law.
At least the contradiction will be made crystal clear. That seems to be the best you can hope for these days.
Deportation proceedings take time, and if they’re low-risk they usually set them up with essentially parole officers while awaiting the various hearings that are required to kick them out. Immigration law is half of what ICE does, and they’re not funded in proportion to the number of people here illegally, so if someone’s not an obvious criminal outside of the immigration violation they stick them on the back burner.
Yeah, that will be the usual justification. Really ICE should be going after these people, or the ones publicly proclaiming “I’m here illegally” at protests. You voluntarily & proudly proclaim you’re breaking the law? Dumbass. Except that there are no real consequences for doing so.
The debate over ICE is frustrating to me. It’s a group of government thugs that oftentimes abuse nonviolent people, so I’d love to eliminate it. Same with Black Lives Matter. The popo do abuse innocent people. Problem is: The people advocating eliminating ICE and overhauling the popo openly state they want and even more oppressive system. Waddayado?
It also seems like BLM has an uncanny knack for throwing the most support behind the people that probably needed shot. And it’s not like there are not tons of examples of actual abuse they could be highlighting instead. It’s almost like their trying to get ignored.
If I were cynical, I’d say that they intentionally chose the Trayvons and Micheal Browns because they don’t want characters sympathetic to white Americans. Nice little wedge issue where they can cry racist if you disagree. And they love to cry racist.
Good point.
I forgot to add the crazy shit the left is doing with gender. A vagina is a dick if you’d just open your mind. Do they really think society is going to accept that, or are they saying it in simply order to cause chaos?
https://youtu.be/x98cE4QCrlk
So, Gustave, what you’re saying is we should behead women?! Fucking sexist pig!
I was camping in the wilds when the Michael Brown thing happened, coming back to society and hearing what was going on is pretty much what I imagine time traveling to a chaotic time would be like.
The Brown shooting was an absurd choice to make the poster child for police brutality. All the details that came out went against the narrative. Trayvon’s wasn’t as cut and dry, but pretty bad in its own right. I’m just amazed at how few normies there were that said, “Brown and Trayvon were BS cases. Tamir Rice and Eric Garner were legit cases of brutality.”
Yeah, the crazy thing is that at the beginning of both the Eric Garner and Tamir Rice stories BLM was all over it, but then when people on the right agreed, BLM and the media just dropped it, that’s when it became VERY clear this had nothing to do with cops killing plebes, it was wedge issue for race baiters.
True dat. When I agreed with lefties about Garner, they actually seemed pissed at me. Good call. I forgot about that.
Both those cases were perfect examples of what they should be fighting for, but BLM shut right up. Why? Tamir Rice had an air gun in a place where open carry is legal. Eric Garner was selling loose cigarettes. Take the skin tone out of the equation and what are you fighting against? Police brutality against gun owners and people who don’t give the regulatory state its due. Honestly, the idea that middle class white Americans might sympathize with those two cases would make it unappealing to the people involved in BLM isn’t that crazy.
If you wanna regain faith in the American melting pot, go watch a documentary or local news broadcast from Laredo or Brownsville, Texas and hear the bizarre half-Mexican, half-Texan accent.
The Texicans and rock ribbed Texans in south central and west Texas seem to get along fine.
This has probably been mentioned but I’m guessing more people here vote against the people they hate the most rather than for someone they genuinely support. I know that’s me.
I don’t think I’ve ever voted for someone I actually liked aside from Rand in the 2016 primary
Quorum. 75% voter turnout, or nobody wins.
I vote for nobody.
I think all elected positions should be decided by betting on a monkey knife fight. Not that it would lead to better outcomes, but it would be more entertaining.
Thunderdome. Why hurt innocent monkeys when you could make the politicians fight for it?
Politicians aren’t as entertaining as monkeys. And NO monkeys are innocent, they’re all rapists and murderers, none of them are good people.
Dammit, how’d you get in before me? I was referring to Athena’s post…
^This. And while we’re at it, why not require that the pols have to wear/use these?
Fuck this place! I new what that link was before I clicked it, and that scares me!
Sooo…..a “great minds” truism isn’t gonna help here?
Maybe ‘Dark Minds Think Alike’ There is another shirt for you.
Should it include that pic? ‘Cause, I’m not keen on guilt by Spacey association.
What pic, I haz confuse. Is this already a thing?
………..my link (that you already knew what it was)?
Oh, the 7even dick dagger, no that wouldn’t be part of the design.
I kind of forgot all about Kevin Spacey after I had him ‘commit suicide’ with a double tap to the back of the head way back in like chapter 5 of A Path To Wellness.
Heh, it was chapter 7, imagine that:
EXT—CHINESE THEATER—NIGHT
Ted’s truck pulls up outside the famous theater. Ted and Harvey exit the truck. The area is cordoned off with police tape. A body lies on the ground while a coroner takes photos. Two policemen stand near the police tape, Ted and Harvey walk up to them.
TED
Eh, officers, what’s going on here?
OFFICER 1
That shitbag Kevin Spacey got killed.
OFFICER 2
Yeah, it was a typical mugging gone wrong. Two shots to the head, from like a thousand yards away with a fifty-cal.
OFFICER 1
The mugger musta been scared off. He didn’t take nothin’.
OFFICER 2
But this piece of shit deserved it, for allegedly maybe hitting on a kid 30 years ago. Asshole.
A girl who is clearly a pre-teen approaches the police line, both officers walk over to her.
OFFICER 1
Hey baby, you gettin’ too close. Maybe we’ll have to pat you down.
OFFICER 2
What’s a pretty girl like you doin’ here, eh?
OFFICER 1
(GRABBING HIS OWN CROTCH)
I think I feel a loaded weapon!
Illuminati confirmed?
HM might need to give a ruling on this.
Ha! I gave you access to my actual youtube when you first donated, watch the last video I uploaded there. Illuminati CONFIRMED!
DAMN!
I identify with this more than Afro Man’s ‘Because I got High’
And what shall we be imbibing tonight, then, sir?
The same thing we do every night Pinky, drink lots of Red Dog!
I have a vague memory of Red Dog. I think I was in more of a Koch’s Golden Anniversary phase at that point.
The fuck is this shit, Arkansas??
Last week, however, prosecutors decided to press charges against Noble — not for the killing itself, which is still held to be justified in self-defense, but for illegally possessing a gun at the time she was attacked.
The situation is absurd as it sounds: Nearly a year after the fact, Noble is being charged not for killing someone with a gun, but for holding a gun at the time she killed someone
Long story short – pregnant woman is attacked in her home. Uses husband’s gun to kill attacker. Shooting ruled justified…..but she had a 2017 weed possession conviction, so she’s being charged for illegal possession of a firearm.
Fire up the fucking woodchipper.
I truly hope this gets around in the press and results in a shaming campaign of epic proportions against that prosecutor.
Fuck that turd.
“Police found duct tape and a rolled-up duffel bag on the attacker’s person. ”
They are admitting that the inevitable rape would’ve been preferable.
‘If it gets rid of just one gun, all rape is worth it.’ -the same rhetoric they use about saving kids.
You know, comparing both those sentiments on a shirt could make you some coin, C. I’d buy one.
You know how to pay me via Paypal, put some coin behind that request and I can make a shirt.
Just remind me what I’m supposed to do, because I get forgetful.
I’ll see what I can do.
If anyone else would be interested in having a shirt like that, speak up!
Get Lach’s wife to make them.
That happened about thirty miles from where I live and is such absolute bullshit.
For what it’s worth, everyone I know thinks it’s bullshit. I dont know what the prosecutor is thinking pulling that shot in a pretty pro gun pro self defense area like this. I would like to punch that prosecutor in the nuts.
LAfter a few days of reflection on Nike’s Kapernick ad campaign, I’m leaning towards it being a winning move by Nike. It starts out by being widely mocked and took some financial hit. Eventually, some scumbags (including controlled opposition) make racist memes on the subject. People forget about the original issue and now Nike portrays itself as one side and the other side is racist.
What ‘race’ is Kaepernik? can you be racist if you don’t know what race some is? I mean, he looks like a dark skinned arab, but he has curly black hair and his family is mostly white.
Damn, you got it again!
Isn’t he mixed-race adopted by a white family?
You are most certainly correct.
I, personally, think they could rake in more $ if they used that pic that Lachowsky posted up-thread.
/Hell, CPRM, there’s a third shirt. So long as it’s on an actual Nike T.
Replace “woman” with “Nike” or “leftist” in this bit and it is eerily accurate.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iNSt3wJXZk0
He even talks about taking a knee, how poignant.
This is my problem, I think way too fucking well when I’m drunk. What the hell kind of drunk uses the word poignant? I’m a disgrace to my people!
It’s late for you. You’re forgiven.
What straff said
I am sorry I missed this thread last night.
Simple fix for 90% of the problems associated with government and voting: No tax withholding. Everyone writes a check on the day before election day.
Credit RC for that one. Govt would shrink and no more bribing the public with its own money.
That is a great suggestion and one I have been saying for years. Most people, if they pay taxes at all, have no idea how much they are even paying. I gave up last night when the site went down, but I think any talk of limiting voting is merely a conversational topic. Any limits would undoubtedly be ruled unconstitutional, but I wish there was a national convo on the subject. How is raising the voting age any more a constitutional violation than restricting hand gun purchases? Is a person an adult at 18 but really not because they must be kept on their parents insurance until they are 26? Which is it?
Another thing that would help in many states when it comes to voting, is if all states had an electoral college type system for Gov. Many states Governors are chosen by voters in metropolitan areas because they outnumber those of us who choose to not live on top of one another.
I find it somewhat ironic that these discussions always seem to boil down to “I don’t like how category X tends to votes, so we should take away the suffrage from them.”
I missed this article last night but I am very entertained and enlightened reading your comments! Thanks all!