Writing a history of musical genres, no matter how modest or brief one attempts to be, is a complicated undertaking.
Genres are fluid, with poorly-defined boundaries, and tend to shift and melt into one another as time goes forward. Looking back from the future we can see certain trends take shape, as particular styles rise and fall in popularity; but this is really only available with hindsight. Such a perspective also gives us the opportunity to look at social and historical trends that reflect themselves within the music, allowing certain forms to rise up and take shape, while other trends are downplayed, intentionally or otherwise.
It certainly doesn’t help the matter when the types of music one wants to talk about are generally overlooked by the modern listening public, as well as by scholars and critics. Jazz, rock and roll, rhythm and blues – these are all important musical trends, and certainly deserve the bulk of listeners’ attention; but does that mean that other forms should be completely ignored? To look within histories of popular music, or even at album collectors’ price guides, one would be tempted to think that these other genres didn’t even exist – like Communist officials who have fallen out of favor, and are therefore removed from paintings and history books.
This is not to suggest that there’s some sort of organized conspiracy to never speak of Easy Listening or other previous styles of music; rather, the attitude seems to be more one of contempt: why would anybody want to listen to, much less talk about, such old-fashioned stuff? It’s all mostly white people’s music anyway, from back when the boys wore a jacket and slacks, and the girls wore dresses, even to a casual get-together. Squaresville, man – strictly squaresville.
Given the current political climate, one might be tempted to think that such a backlash might be so racially motivated – if Black Lives Matter, does White Music Matter? But, it’s not quite that simple. If anything, it’s not Black Vs. White, but Youth Vs. Squares – i.e., Mom and Dad. The 1950s saw a definite break between music meant for teenagers, and music meant for a somewhat older and more settled audience. What we are looking at in this installment is primarily the latter.
Part I: Easy Listening
The genre we tend to refer to now as Easy Listening had its origins in the late 1940s when different orchestras began recording music that was softer, lighter, and usually offered no overt vocals or harsh instrumental sections that might tend to break the mood. It was meant, theoretically, to be played in the background, during dinner or pleasant conversation, without intruding or imposing itself on the listener. Rather, it could enhance moments of romance or relaxation, if necessary, but without overwhelming the given situation. In the commercial world, this took the form of Muzak, which was music licensed by companies to play unobtrusively in the background, soothing and mellow.
Composer and arranger Paul Weston began recording albums starting in about 1945 that were slower and smoother than what most other bandleaders were doing – this seemed to be part of a larger musical trend where audiences were going to hear bands just to listen, and not to dance. ‘Hot’ bands and faster songs were also still popular, and always would be, but there was also a desire (probably more from the female audience members) for music that was slower and softer. Weston’s Music For Dreaming, released at first as a 10” disc, fit the bill perfectly. Calling the style Mood Music, Weston had a hit, and knew he was onto something.
Easy Listening (or Mood Music, or Beautiful Music, as it was also called) might have been okay with the younger female audience members, but it was certainly palatable to older listeners – the parents, but also young marrieds who were settling into domestic life. The adults generally didn’t want to be confronted by the more abrasive aspects of much popular music; Easy Listening strode somewhere between Classical and Pop music; not harsh, but lively and interesting enough to make for a pleasant listening experience.
In time, arrangers found that they could do Easy Listening versions of popular tunes that were never meant for such treatment. The results were ultra-smooth concoctions with all of the jagged edges ground down, and naturally musical purists hated them – but nevertheless, a certain portion of the record-buying public preferred these versions to the originals. The songwriters, of course, still got their royalty payments regardless of the interpretation; and besides, if one preferred, one could always go back to the source material. But the fact that – for example – the Hollyridge Strings could offer their Beatles Song Book albums and get respectable sales, while the original Beatles recordings were still in the charts, proves that there were two distinct audiences, each of whom had very different wants and expectations.
This sort of thing, of course, further convinced the kids and the hardcore fans that Easy Listening was the music of squares – watered-down, milquetoast versions of popular songs cranked out for Mom and Dad who couldn’t handle the originals. In essence, this was correct. Not that Mom and Dad ‘couldn’t handle’ the more raucous musical styles that came along during the 1950s & ’60s, but they generally didn’t want to: Easy Listening gave them a certain aural satisfaction without demanding much from them. The kids might go buy a Jimi Hendrix album and bring it home to listen to over and over, staring at the cover and trying to grok every note, but generally their parents just wanted something nice playing in the background while they ate dinner. Certainly, from a more purist point of view, the kids’ motivations are more laudable; but does that completely invalidate Mom and Dad’s desires?
Given its softer and romantic nature, Easy Listening was also deemed perfect music for affaires d’amour, whether it was a young bachelor trying to seduce his date for the evening, or a couple in love hoping to get each other in the mood. These days this aspect of Easy Listening is usually referred to as “Bachelor Pad Music,” or some variation thereof. Indeed, the 1950s and ’60s were certainly the Age of the Bachelor, when that lifestyle was essentially defined by the men’s magazines and other aspects of popular culture: not for nothing did so many album covers from that period feature lovely, buxom young women in glorious dishabille. Most were in fact quite tame – like those of, say, Jackie Gleason or Ray Conniff, which featured young women in the throes of romantic love, often embracing the male of their desire. Others featured women in quite a different mood, the look in their eyes unmistakably one of lust and animal passion (or so it was supposed to appear to the common male record purchaser).
Another aspect of Easy Listening that may strike modern listeners is that…well…it’s really, really white. Not that black people could not, or did not, participate; but the vast majority of the genre’s progenitors were not only white, but seriously white dudes. Percy Faith and Henry Mancini may have been giants of popular music during the 1960s, but God love ‘em, they resembled high school shop teachers more than rock stars. Black record buyers tended to stick with the shifting landscape of rhythm and blues, jazz, gospel, and popular music during the time period in question. This isn’t to say that their tastes were superior, nor inferior; but much of it didn’t seem to resonate with black listeners. Who can blame them? It’s really not very funky; in fact, it’s practically anti-funky. But, by definition, that’s what Easy Listening is.
Easy Listening began to fade somewhat in the late 1960s. Why this is, is probably a complex topic of study, but the changes in popular music that were taking place, first in 1964 with the Beatles, then with groups like the Tijuana Brass and Brazil ’66, then toward the end of the decade with the hippie movement when things tended to get looser and harsher at the same time – all of this resulted in a radically altered listening landscape. Even the music that the grownups enjoyed was changing. Post-Whipped Cream and Other Delights, softened versions of popular songs were still around, but tended to take a more modern approach, doing away with the heavy use of strings and multi-piece orchestras. This was “The Now Sound,” which had the same basic goals as Easy Listening, but used different methods to achieve its aims.
By the early ’70s, Easy Listening was still around, but was barely hanging on. A lot of popular music seemed to be about excess, but there were also a few trends with a softer and more relaxed approach. Singer-songwriters like Carole King were coming more often to the forefront, offering a nice alternative to the harsher radio offerings. Songs from the ’40s and ’50s became less and less in demand, and when the more modern (i.e., post-Beatles) songs were desired, more listeners wanted to hear the original artists rather than some orchestra’s interpretation – so, the decades-old habit of doing ‘standards’ (that is, songs that existed in many different versions) gradually began disappearing. (Name That Tune notwithstanding.)
It wasn’t until 1979 that the Billboard Easy Listening chart was renamed Adult Contemporary; it had held its previous name since 1961. But those two dates are each a bit late to the party; the trend had started several years before 1961, but certainly ended long before 1979.
Wait, no love for Bent Fabric? Acker Bilk?
does that completely invalidate Mom and Dad’s desires?
And honestly, there were things about Mom and Dad I did not want to know. Their desires topped that list.
You had to get it from somewhere, right?
I couldn’t mention *everybody*. Yeah, there’s dozens, maybe hundreds, not mentioned.
I’m having visions of elevators.
Although I am a fan of Alpert.
I do not have a substantive comment, but I really wish it was still called Mood Music. It simply sounds neat.
Thanks for the article.
I am still thrilled with this one.
I’m partial to this rendition of Classical Gas,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S33tWZqXhnk
Tommy Emmanuel is great.
Mood Music from the 70s,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxuhrSTRXlo&t=932s
And I lost my job, no reason given, first thing this Morning.
Christ What an Asshole!
Wait, what? Details!
I thought you were self employed. Sorry to hear about your troubles.
See below, good question
Just last night I was thinking I needed more Symphonic Metal with Church Latin lyrics. I think it was while bouncing between Sabaton and Powerwolf for background music while writing “Prince of the North Tower”.
I don’t know what that has to do with the content of the article, I sort of didn’t fully digest it.
There are buckets of power metal bands with at least some of their lyrics in latin. I don’t listen to much symphonic, so I don’t really know any off hand that will help you.
Having read the article now, I will comment.
My preference has always been towards more energetic music. While this is not the only criteria, across the various genres, a common thread of those songs that I like is that they tend towards the energetic.
Another favorite — Classical Gas
Same time stamp! See above for another version^
good reading Chipperdove!
Thanks! How’s your wife’s foot?
Way to go picturing an auditory rape in progress with the Richard Conniff album cover shitlord.
I won’t lie, that cover got me feelin’ some kinda way. I almost went to go YouTube that shit but realized, sultry MILF notwithstanding, Muzak is not the musical equivalent of taxing it in the kitchen while the husband’s on a business trip.
You know who has some beautiful women on his album covers? Jackie Gleason! A quick image search will show you.
Hitl – oh, you answered already. Oops.
I wouldn’t lump Mancini into “Easy Listening”. Sure, he could do that on occasion, but he covered a laundry list of genres during his career.
Yes. But it seems that everyone else lumps him in with Conniff et al these days.
Details, Well I got a text at 7 AM Sunday, showing a picture of a frozen pipe, and a forwarded text asking if this was right.
After finding out Where it was, and Which machine, I concluded that the best course of action was to shut the unit down and let it thaw, this takes time.
I was told that if I didn’t go right then, Boss would find someone else, I said go for it I’m not on call.
A question, can I be Fired from a business that I’m supposedly an 8% partner?
Seems like you’re entitled to 8 percent of what the company is valued at.
8% is far from a controlling share. Yes, you can be ousted. Though whether they have to buy out your 8% or not depends upon factors I’m not qualified to opine on.
That sucks, but it sounds like you have actual marketable skills and should be able to find employment commensurate with your abilities. Thank god you didn’t go into puppetry. Good luck man.
I’m not looking to start a spat, and certainly wouldn’t want to work in an adversarial environment, but I have the Mad Skill set so things should work out fine.
Thanks!
Weren’t you planning to relocate? Maybe this is the opportunity to make a change.
I’m thinking just this^ I’m not broke yet, so I’m going to chill for today and look around
The way things have been going around this place with jobs the last couple of weeks, I just took a vacation day today and won’t be back to the office until Thursday. I think it’s best for us all to stay away from work for a few days until shit shitstorm blows over. Where’s the horoscope guy at to explain this stuff?
That sucks.
Yes, you can be fired. However, you can also make life difficult for the controlling partners. They will owe you detailed financials every year.
It also may be an illegal termination depending on the jurisdiction (California – LOL!) and the terms of involvement…for example if Yufus signed an employee engagement agreement with the firm and is/was under the umbrella of a statutory or regulatory termination notice period…in such a case the 8% equity stake is incidental and beside the point. If I was a betting man though, I would bet there isn’t an engagement agreement at all.
If they were smart, they would have required him to agree to sell back his ownership upon leaving (for whatever reason) the company, at the time he became an owner.
Of course, they have to have the cash to cover that.
And have an agreed upon price. And etc.
You’re double-secret on call.
LOL
Do you even have proof of shares or equity stake?
No, I didn’t think it was a big deal, it is a very small shop, I just can’t figure out who is going to replace me. I have info and skills that apply to Specific Buildings and Restaurants that no one else does, only because they are custom Built up systems.
I’m over it,
Yeah…don’t be over it. Recover value from the enterprise you’re being pushed out of.
Round up whatever paperwork you have on your 8% share, and whatever the operating agreement or governing documents for the business are.
Take the net revenue of the business, multiply by 5, and take 8% of that as your buyout price. Tell the other partners that they need to buy you out.
It should get fun if there is no entity governing document.
It’s also extremely common. ?
I also expect that the principal in charge of the books will not be forthcoming with the figures.
Makes me wonder if the numbers were looking too good for the year.
1) Damn, that post-bukakke picture in the background of Whipped Cream and other Delights needs a NSFW tag.
2) I’ll try anything once, and I listed to everything you linked to, but wow is this music not the right fit for me.
3) How about some Heavy Metal Music (TW – person without shoes using a spade to dig a hole, which is both dangerous and the wrong tool for the job)
Or alternatively, if Heavy Metal Music isn’t your thing, how about LAZERHAWK!!!! (they sound exactly like you would expect of a band named Lazerhawk).
Easy Listening version of Gangstas Make the World Go Round.
At work so I can’t click the link. How far off is this guess?
Looks on point. I don’t know who made the GMtWGR song I linked to.
Everyone should listen to Richard Cheese and Lounge Against the Machine. Who doesn’t want to listen to a lounge version of Insane in the Brain, or Come Out and Play? Entertaining to see him live too.
Last time I looked, he had taken a hiatus from doing live shows. The terms of hiring him were awesome though.
Thanks for the lazerhawk.
A different form of weird.
The Audio CD and Audio Video are aweseome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVTMBLFSSIo&list=PLC3B2E37FE3AA6586
1) Damn, that post-bukakke picture in the background of Whipped Cream and other Delights needs a NSFW tag.
It could be worse!
Great album, btw.
Dammit, I knew I should’ve kept scrolling
1) Damn, that post-bukakke picture in the background of Whipped Cream and other Delights needs a NSFW tag.
Is that what it looks like when the Pillsbury dough boy busts a nut?
It’s not for everyone. I have to be in the mood myself.
So, is Post-Modern Jukebox trying to revive the genre, or do they not qualify as Easy Listening?
Nice article, by the way. Enjoyed reading it.
They do a floor show here that is really good and reminiscent of PMJ.
https://www.theedisonfla.com/photo-gallery
Lounge music is the closest to easy listening I get.
What about old porn music?
That’s what The Pimps are for.
I only know of Herb Alpert because of an old Denis Leary bit from after Marv Albert’s trial 20+ years ago. “When Marv went to the dominatrix, he used a fake name. Know what name he used? Steve Albert, his brother! Jesus, Herb Alpert would have been a better choice. ‘Yeah, I’m Herb Alpert. That’s my brass section over there, the Tijuana guys.'”
Herb Alpert , the Tijuana brass dude. My grandmother was a big fan, I think she had all his albums. He’s also a commie.
I know nothing of this old man music. Get off my lawn.
You get off my lawn!
*doesn’t leave lawn, puts on some metal*
*Hyperion on UCS’s lawn*
Whose lawn am I on, anyway?
Do you even have a Lawn I should get off of?
Questions…….
“You get no points!”
I just received a notice about an alumni gathering coming up, it sounds like easy pickings if I were single.
I should write the pitch for alumni events:
“Remember that girl from high school who would never give you the time of day? Well she’s divorced now and quickly approaching 35. So you know she’s dtf.”
“approaching 35”? Whippersnapper.
“Also, there’ll be plants and shit or something. Two free glasses of wine for everyone who attends!”
Booze and bullshit activities, but mostly booze.
A gathering after how many years?
Too many, I’m 27 years out of college.
Terrariums? Are you part of the Lizard People?
How do you think they get here from their planet? spaceships?
The experts at Hinterland will walk you through a brief plant care and terrarium design session then cut you loose to create.
something something cryptic euphemisms
I just spent two weeks visiting my parents. I was compelled to listen to a lot of elevator music. I love them dearly, but it’s good to be home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1_srb7wcTA
Chuck Mangione
Enough said
Heh. Chuck and Herb were big in my house growing up.
Something more my speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK5pl6W2CFE
I love this and I will admit I love Percy Faith, Henry Mancini (love Monica’s voice too), Nelson Riddle, Ray Conniff, et al. I would like to know if you think smoothnjazz is taking Easy Listening’s place? I feel 70s folk is now dominating Muzak, so smooth jazz is sliding into that place of vanilla instrumental.
Gma turned me on to Johnny Mathis, Vibrato FTW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEH3uqbpsm8
To me, and I think I’ve mentioned this before, smooth jazz was this idea to take the accessibility of pop and meld it to the virtuoso skill of jazz musicians; it seems to have achieved the opposite.
I agree, but it has its place in my life, which is when I need music to work to.
Oh sure. In fact, I know we’ve discussed Acoustic Alchemy before. I also like some Special EFX/Chieli Minucci stuff. Paul Brown had an album I liked. Earl Klugh and Chet Atkins dipped their toes into it.
My favorite work music is a lot of this retrowave/vaporwave/jazz-hop stuff that’s all over YouTube. It’s great for background.
Yes, I remember the Acoustic Alchemy convo. Will look up the retro stuff you mentioned.
Here is one link
and another, both of those are jazz-hop channels
I said “retrowave” before. I meant “synthwave”. It’s a revival of 80’s synth…1984 Ocean Drive and Robert Parker are two artists I know by name.
Thinking about this some more, jazz-hop is definitely great background music; I can’t exactly say the same for vaporwave or synthwave. It might be a little too weird or high-energy for background.
Speaking of high energy retro, have you heard electroswing? Or have we had this convo before too? Try Alice Francis.
I don’t recall you mentioning electroswing, will check it out.
I listen to synthwave at work some times. I guess it fills the niche that easy listening is supposed to. Same with darkwave, although a lot of that is nostalgia from my club days.
Before I actually listen to electroswing, this is what I imagine it is.
LOVE THOSE!
I am listening to a lot of jazz noir while writing my Prohibition book even tho it is not right time period. LA Noire soundtrack, and Chinatown soundtrack.
Don’t like real 20s music for some reason.
Weird thing: My love for these guys begins with Christmas music. I probably wouldn’t know their names otherwise.
This right here, Decorating at Grandma’s house, with Percy Faith, JM Ray Connif and all the rest, Good Times
Yes, led into movie themes. See Scruffy’s post below.
Henry Mancini….
Coincidentally, I woke up with Nadia’s Theme in my head the other day.
I know it’s cheesed-out now but that is a darn nice piece of music.
That’s a difficult question to answer. I think Easy Listening came along as an alternative to give mellower folks *something else* to listen to, and maybe overstayed its welcome into the mid-late 60’s. Those other soft musical forms just sort of evolved from earlier stuff, and assumed EL’s place. I’d have to think about this a while to give a better answer.
And what about bossa nova?
OK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PYKOo_jgJo
I’ve linked this before: Thievery Corporation, “Saudade”
That’s beautiful music. Thanks.
It’s to blame, I know that much
LOL memories of my mom bossa-nova’ing all the standards on our electric organ…
Good news (relatively speaking).
Cindy McCain will not inherit her husband’s Senate seat. Gov. Ducey will be sending Jon Kyl back to the Senate. Kyl will almost certainly not run for re-election, which makes him a little bit of an odd choice, but at least he’s not la McCain.
Dammit, I replied to the one in the mourning lynx.
Well that’s good
I told you guys – that family’s political star is waning. There’s no way McCain, being the Hensley family’s servile little thrall, decided to keep his senate seat unto his death on his own. He did it because they commanded it. They were hanging onto it because they had no viable Plan B to replace him.
Can’t Meghan run as a socialist democrat? She’s all woke and shit, you know.
that’s the safest Kavanaugh vote outside of his immediate family.
That’s a lot better than the widow. Should make Kavanaugh a slam dunk as Kyl has been his Sherpa.
Can we get an Obamacare repeal vote out of the old dude while he’s still in there?
I’m with Chuck Todd – it’s so unfair that a lot of people see reporters as Dem operatives! What does CNN’s national political reporter have to say about it?
That was an unbiased and impartial tweet of approval.
That seems like run-of-the-mill politics as horserace analysis, I don’t see how it makes here a dem op or is outside of her job as a national political reporter.
How is anything Kamala Harris is doing considered “the best moment”? She’s a blithering idiot and this is all obvious bullshit.
that time she shut down Backpage while trampling the 1A and making sex work much more dangerous was her “best moment” at being a cunt. whatever noise she’s making at Kavanaugh’s hearing can’t compare.
This is stupid. The hearing has only been underway for several hours.
<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/09/its-time-for-the-press-to-stop-complainingand-to-start-fighting-back/569224/"It’s Time for the Press to Stop Complaining—And to Start Fighting Back
“It’s Time for the Press to Stop Complaining—And to Start Following Ethics in Reporting”. There I fixed the headline. Evil Fox news is the reason we are biased! Waaaaa!
You really monkeyed that up.
Styxhexenwhatever Thinks that Hitler started out as a Republican Spy, seriously, right at the start of the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUxnLSLjuk
Not much easy listening in my childhood:
My old man was big – and I mean BIG – into classical. So lots of blaring Wagner and Mahler (and other evil Germanic composers) filled my youthful ears. I still hate most of it, preferring a more Baroque direction for my own old man music. I prefer the lightness of Handel, Bach, and Couperin to the heavy stuff.
My mom likes the singer-song writer thing: mostly Leonard Cohen, Cat Stevens, and Neil Diamond. I’m still a big Cat Steven fan. Oh and she also loved Bob Seger, which I never got.
My brothers, being 5 and 8 years older than moi, were classic dinosaur rock guys: Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, etc. Though my older brother contributed heavily to my own music tastes as he began to discover New Wave. So ABC, Roxy Music, The Police, and many, many others were my mainstays until I split off to the land of punk rock, which everyone in the house hated.
Kind of the point, am I right?
Oh god yes. I actually liked the stuff – teenage angst and all – though certainly not as much these days. I would rather listen to Chet Baker than Black Flag but can still listen to both.
I still love my punk rock, but sometimes as a 41 year old suburbanite I feel silly listening to it.
Yeah, living in my upper middle class neighborhood, driving my new-ish Mustang as I go off to my white collar job. It’s a good reminder of the days of yore, and lord knows I feel as angsty as ever, but just in a different way.
After college I was part of the local punk rock scene for (another) 5-6 years, running sound for shows and drinking way too much. Some good crazy times. But by the time I hit 30 – wife, kids, the whole disaster, I found myself preferring post-punk music. And I still do!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsWwjrxKuYA
I just diversified a bit into music I long had secretly kind of liked, but never listened to because my friends would have laughed at me. I still listen to the likes of the Misfits, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Bad Brains. I just listen to other stuff as well now.
Was it you that got me into that? That song is so great.
Could be – I’m a big fan of the French “Touching Pop” aka Coldwave.
Recently found this other Frenchie group – Rise and Fall of Decade, label mates of Asylum Party and Little Nemo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b__sOkod_wM
Good stuff. I don’t see them anywhere but Youtube 🙁
I tracked down the LP – from an online seller in France. Not exactly common here in the states. Rise and Fall apparently have a fairly large discography, later delving into triphop.
Only trip hop I really liked were the Sneaker Pimps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-HG_aWyuFA
aka Chris Corner before IAMX
I have a lot of aging punk rocker friends. They all listen to Steely Dan.
The oldest I have ever felt was a few months back on the last day of school at the elementary school up the street. They played Alice Cooper’s “School’s Out” for the kids as they left.
Fuck no. My kids think it’s great I know more about music than their pals do.
I wouldn’t call what my kids listen to “music”. I’ve tried to set them on the right path, but my efforts have failed.
They’ll come around. We have great musical discussions all the time.
It does help that they are both musicians.
Fuck, imagine finding out this was your dad. There was an interview I read with Milo talking about his daughter starting to listen to his old music, and her face when she realized that was her dad singing.
My boy is only 9, but he picked up his taste in music from me and my brother. He’s really into technical or progressive metal like Devin Townsend and Revocation. When he was 6, he was really into a technical death metal band call Oroborus, but the album cover would give him nightmares so I always had to turn my phone off. He also loves a band called Rotting Christ.
My daughter, who’s a very girly girl that’s into pony’s and princesses, is into the really gnarly stuff. She like second wave black metal like Dimmu Borgir and discordant avant-guard stuff like Sigh. We are going to get matching copies of this shirt for me and her for Christmas.
I really, really hope they never grow out of it. The older one already knows that I’m a well of information about music that basically no-one in his life (other than my brother) knows about.
Years ago, my sister was on a date with a boy who was trying to be some kind of bad boy. They started talking about music, and he said he likes metal. She asked what kind, and he put on kid rock. She said she just looked at him and said “Oh honey, why don’t you just take me home, ok?”
A few years ago, when my kids were about 4 and 6, they were very into classic Metallica – I’d play Whiplash and Phantom Lord for them all the time and they loved it. Those days are long in the past now.
He also loves a band called Rotting Christ.
Kinda sucks when rebellion means listening to easy listening!
Nice work. Dad of the Year material.
I remember a conversation I had with a friend like five years ago that went kinda like this:
“…dude, ten years ago would you have imagined that we’d be having a conversation about the relative merits of various toilets during happy hour?”
“No, not at all. I think my 25-year-old self just died inside. But I’m still wearing a metal t-shirt, so there’s that.”
“Yeah, I don’t see myself wearing a lot of like button-down shirts in my spare time, honestly.”
…flash forward five years with deep chagrin and it’s all dress shoes and retirement plans. Although, the two of us are still the only people we know who are into “extreme” metal, and based on the ages of people at shows we’re still in the age demographic.
What’s wrong with Button-down shirts? They’re comfortable, and work in many situations.
I have them made-to-measure, but my 20-something club-going, angsty self would be aghast at the thought of wearing them in casual situations, and up until maybe four years ago they were the shirt I’d wear if my wife wanted me to go meet people she worked with. I’ve spent most of my life believing firmly that the only shirts I really needed in life came in bags of three, in black, grey, and white.
“…the only shirts I really needed in life came in bags of three, in black, grey, and white.”
So you’ve been through my dresser?
I bought 15 of these last spring.
https://www.johariwest.com/
It’s what I wear to work now that I am old enough to not give a shit what anyone things.
It was part of a conscientious decision to wear loose fitting shirts to enable concealed carry.
Where are the sleeves?
Sleeves? Where are the pockets?
Fuck sleeves.
Oh dear, Gustave, I didn’t even notice that deficiency. A shirt without a pocket is even worse than one without sleeves.
Left breast pocket.
They match the patterns so the pocket matches the field.
Look closely, the pockets are there.
Bookmarked, kinnath.
But not for work. I’m a long sleeve shirt (blue or white) and tie guy at work.
I am very, very happy with the quality of the shirts.
I bought all of mine through Amazon.
But not for work. I’m a long sleeve shirt (blue or white) and tie guy at work.
My office’s usual standard attire is polo shirt and jeans. I tried to get them to class it up with Formal Friday, but I was the only guy in button-downs and slacks.
I don’t mind dressing up a bit on occasion, but not during the summer. It’s all polos and khaki shorts until the heat breaks.
20 years ago I had an intense hatred of khaki pants. To me they were sort of a symbol of the kind of preppie assholes I hated.
And now, I wear them to work all the time. 21 year old me would have hated me now.
Honestly, I hated chinos until this year. I gave in and started wearing the few I had more often, and then buying nicer ones. Shit. Turns out I sweat 40% less in the summer if I’m wearing those instead of jeans, and they’re comfortable enough to wear as pajamas.
You’re welcome
I love these things in hot and muggy weather. Jeans in the summer? No way.
“20 years ago I had an intense hatred of khaki pants. ”
I’ve been wearing those to work for over 20 years. But I get wild sometimes and do different colors. And somewhere down the line some heathens started this jeans on Friday stuff. That’s probably the point at which civilization really started to go downhill fast.
Most of my button shirts that I wear to work are not the tuck in ones, but the ones squared off so you can wear them not tucked in. Tuck in shirts suck, you always have to tuck them back in again, it never ends. Now I’m thinking I need to get another pair of slip on shoes for work. Tying shoes sucks, not sure why I bought these boat shoes, you have to tie them. Get off my lawn.
My wife calls me “Brown Pants Man” because I don’t want to wear other colors.
I care a lot more about clothing now than I ever did. Don’t want to be that old guy with his shorts with a belt and a tucked in polo shirt.
I’ve been buying, via Sports Direct, a lot of British brands like Lonsdale, Firetrap, Soviet, and Karrimor. Also Armani Exchange has a good outlet presence online.
https://us.sportsdirect.com/firetrap/mens-firetrap-clothing
I swear everyone in the UK has long monkey arms like myself because I get a lot better sleeve fitment from their than I do from clothes I buy here.
“Don’t want to be that old guy with his shorts with a belt and a tucked in polo shirt. ”
*hangs head*
Be patient.
I got some Oxfords from Charles Tyrwhitt, and I was really impressed with how well the “slim” fit fits. I got three on sale and they fit easily as well as shirts I’d had made for three times the price. Ships directly from the UK, so it takes a little while, but definitely worth it. I still get most buttoned shirts from Proper Cloth, though.
About four years back I whipped up a logo and had my buddy who owns a uniform store embroider it onto a dozen tees, a dozen sweatshirts, and a dozen polo-type shirts. I’m like a cartoon character, my nieces are dumbfounded- “How can you wear the same thing everyday?”
I hate wearing a belt with shorts, but since I started losing weight, my 36s fall off me without a belt, and I still can’t wear 34s.
Florida work-from-home fashion — gym shorts and a t-shirt. I get bitchy when I have to wear real pants now. I used to be a “shorts are for outside” type of guy who would be in jeans, minimum if I left the house to do anything else.
Imagine being the late-40s white guy that still blares “hip-hop” from Sirius Shade45 most of the day.
And Marky Ramone’s channel. And Ozzy’s channel.
LH, I believe we share a Birthday, how old old are you? I’m 55, and our stories seem to share the same timeline
48. Having two older brothers helped to make me experience the 1960-70s music and culture a bit more.
Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, Hayden – those are my favorites.
I have many different versions of Messiah and (altho not baroque) Rhapsody in Blue and Carmina Burana. Only 3 things I gather different performances for.
Have you heard this version of Rhapsody in Blue?
That is beautiful. I love Spanish guitar. Am wondering how that would go with dancers.
For Radio back ground it’s KUSC Classical, full time
OT
John Kyl to replace McCain and vote on Kavanaugh.
lol
OK, I have to go see the reaction at DU, it’s bound to be derptastic.
If they get a majority in the Senate and take the presidency back in 2020, there is a remedy to Repug court fixing. They can add 2 more justices! At the beginning of the term, they should say, no filibusters on any appointments, including SCOTUS. Then they nominate 2 new leftie justices and push it through, even with zero Repug votes. Voila, some of our national ills can then be fixed. No personal right to carry guns short of state militias, over-turn Citizens United, corporations have no more rights than individuals and should have the same requirements (at worst), end gerrymandered districts, presidents are not above the law, women have a right to control their reproduction, etc. etc.
“We’ll make the court a rubber stamp for our goals, constitutional originalism and limited gov’t be damned!”
“women have a right to control their reproduction, etc. etc.”
Yeah, sure. That just doesn’t mean the same thing to some of us. A right to control does not mean a right to have someone else pay for it. This is where they are confused.
We also differ in the definition of “controlling reproduction”. To me it includes such things as abstaining from fucking everything that walks past, and taking precautions when you do engage in such activities. To them it’s limited to murdering babies.
Yeah, those things are wise. I know, it’s hard to keep your pants on with all these rapey guys running around all of time raping 5 out of 4 women they see. But it’s definitely worth thinking about for those keeping pants on challenged ladies.
“No personal right to carry guns short of state militias,”
“You ask who are the militia? They are the whole body of the people. Every person capable of bearing arms.” – George Mason, author of the second amendment
It already is limited to state militias. These ignorant fucks latch onto talking points that are just fuzzy wishes in their heads. They have no idea what they are talking about. This particular talking point is one of their dumbest and most dishonest ones.
Gun grabbers lie. They want to disarm the population and I promise it isnt for our own good. No one ever wanted to make you defenseless for your own good.
Of course, the militia is currently defined, I believe, as military age males. So under their approach, they will be stripping gun rights from women.
Way to go, wokesters.
It’s been covered by a lot, but the Platters’ version is my favorite
https://youtu.be/57tK6aQS_H0
I’m with Hyperion on this old geezer music. *Joins Hyp. on Unciv’s lawn.*
So which one of you is holding up the boombox?
Mine’s the black one with a thing that goes up.
Cindy McCain will not inherit her husband’s Senate seat.
Based on the reports I heard about the daughter’s
eulogycampaign speech, I figured she expected to be planted in it.Stroke of good luck for Cory Booker – Meggy Mac would have give him a stiff challenge for the title of dumbest senator.
I don’t think either of them could top Maxine or Hank Johnson.
And you’d be right…..but, alas, they are in the House.
Ah, sometimes I just forget about that two chambers stuff and just think of them all as in Congress. Well, damnit, the Senate is just boring, they need old Hank over there. I mean he has to be the only member of Congress who has a 15 minute long video on Youtube that is basically like some sort of bizarre stand up comedy.
“earlier when I said midget….uhhh….I meant….the M-Word”
Priceless. Now I gotta watch it all over again.
God…..this is gold, jerry! GOLD!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erYSVBfWHRg
Midget, I mean M word, priceless…
Everyone needs equal access to helium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2jVTbwVGko
Guam could tip over. The dude is comedy gold. I mean, he has to be doing that on purpose, right?
Despite knowing that his (d) vote could potentially de-rail actual important legislation, I hope he keeps getting re-elected just for stupid shit like that.
Also, why I miss Trafficant, But at least he seemed to have a genuine contempt for government as a whole.
What about Patty Murray or Kamala Harris?
Good on Ducey. I was sure he was going to appoint Mrs. McCain. Kyl is a bulletproof pick, politically.
I wonder if Ducey’s game here is to run in 2020 for the Senate. Kyl would be a good setup for that, since he’s not going to run. Ducey is up for re-election this year, and should win easily. Don’t know if he would have to resign to run for Senate.
“Good on Ducey. I was sure he was going to appoint Mrs. McCain”
I would think that the people who voted for him would be awfully pissed if he delivered a big present like that to the Democrats. Just what we need in Congress, another Olypmpia Snowe or whoever that other skank, can’t remember her name right now, who keeps forgetting she’s not a Democrat.
Lindsey Graham?
I think it’s Susan Collins I was thinking of, but I can see how you could come up with that alternative.
If Kyl is just supposed to hold his spot, he better reviewing the Crist-Rubio race. Although Charlie Crist was such a cipher, even after being governor, that Rubio just had to have a little dynamism to win.
https://twitter.com/tommyxtopher/status/1037039229140983810
OMG that Kavanaugh is one heartless SOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111
I understand grief makes people do strange things, but what possible relevance could that information have to Kavanaugh? And what did that guy expect him to do with it? And, what would he have done if, God forbid, Kavanaugh had answered with something like, “Taking away other people’s rights wouldn’t have saved your child.” or, “She was in a gun-free zone when she was shot. Figure it out.”
Victimhood as argument
Welcome to the future
“no parent should outlive their children” while shaking his hand.
Brilliant
The McCain thread is right above.
Or better yet said, “Sounds like Darwinism in action to me.” That would have been boss. (That I think this is one of the many reasons I will never hold office of any kind)
It’s political theater and you can bet Democrats are 100% behind him showing up there. IOW, look, it’s Kavanaugh’s fault that the guys daughter was killed. It’s very sad that this father who lost a child would be used like this. It’s pathetic. No wonder Kavanaugh walked away, he knows why the guy is there, because Democrats put him up to it.
But you can’t use the Mollie Tibbetts story for political reasons, no sirree.
I enjoyed this a lot, chipper! And this is a great line: …but God love ‘em, they resembled high school shop teachers more than rock stars. Nice.
I didn’t grow up hearing too much of this genre. My dad had that very memorable Herb Alpert record, but I remember way more stuff like Glenn Campbell, Creedence, Gordon Lightfoot, Kingston Trio, etc.
Among others, my mom was a huge Barry Manilow fan (for real). I can still sing every lyric of Copacabana if anyone is interested.
Why would you even know what a musician looks like? All that matters is what they sound like.
Video killed the radio star. Actually TV and Elvis did.
Mick Jagger and Steven Tyler disagree.
Huh?!?
Album cover art? Midnight Special? Soul Train? Smothers Brothers?
I never assumed anything on the covers had anything to do with the people who made the music. (Especially the metal covers). Never saw ‘midnight special’ or ‘soul train’, but I was pretty sure the Smothers Brothers were more of a comedy act. Though it’s been so long that I barely remember the actual content.
Live shows?
No one goes to concerts, they’re too crowded.
My concert attendance has dropped quite a bit as I got older (and have the girlfriend). Not counting music fests, I think I’m down to under half a dozen shows a year now. Back in my younger days, it was usually around six shows a month.
The last time I was at a concert was also the last time I was at the New York State Fair. I hadn’t yet moved out, and I got dragged there by relatives.
I think it was the Yardbirds.
At least I wasn’t footing the bill.
I’ve been looking back through the calendar for this year, and there’s been a lot of good shows the girlfriend and I didn’t go to (due to time, cost, location, etc.). I’ve sadly missed more shows then I went to this year. I’m going to need to correct this.
I can still sing every lyric of Copacabana if anyone is interested.
You’re going to have to get me really drunk and buy me dinner first.
Oh yeah? My older brother was a big Manilow fan. And Barbra.
My parents were very much the Boomers they are in terms of music. Dad was all about the Dead, Allman Brothers, CSNY, the Band, the Stones, the Doobie Brothers. Mom was all about the Motown girl groups like the Ronettes and the Supremes, as well as bands like Little Feat, Steely Dan, and Tom Petty.
Steely Dan is a good choice.
OT: Rahm Emmanuel not seeking re-election.
We all know “bail out” has two meanings.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-wont-run-for-reelection-20180904-story.html
“I can smell the mob forming. Time to get out of dodge and have my successor deal with it.”
I can’t believe he would bail right before the blue wave is about to start!
OMG can you imagine how much worse the next one is going to be?!
Yes, Starts sobbing. Looks at address. Oh good I’m in Lake County.
Well, you should still be concerned. An unhealthy city brings down its suburbs with it.
The city being unhealthy isn’t a recent development though.
Oh trust me I am concerned and you’re right. Just counting what blessings I have.
The next one will be totally woke, nothing to worry about. They can rename it to North Baltimore.
I just told my wife that Alexa is a commie and she doesn’t believe me. She’s off work today and so bored. Now she wants to buy a Roomba and Alexa. Maybe Roomba isn’t commie and will take out Alexa when the wife isn’t watching?
Did you tell her those Alexa things have a back door built into them so the NSA can access any one of them if they wish? My guess is they are hovering up all of the info from all of them.
No fucking way in hell would I put one of those in my house.
Alexa isn’t a commie she’s INGSOC. Totally different.
Make Orwell fiction again.
Next week at Hyperion place.
Hyperion: Look, honey, I’ll prove it. Alexa, are you a commie?
Alexa: I don’t understand commie.
Hyperion: Alexa, again, are you a commie!?
Alexa: I don…
*sound of smashing plastic, Alexa flies through window*
See, I told you she’s a commie.
“HAH! Just what a commie would say.”
I didn’t even have to get that far.
“You want me to talk to the thing? Fuck that noise.”
I’m supposed to be frightened by all of this, but I can’t stop laughing.
And the key source for much of this in the Post story? The guy who was fired for domestic abuse allegations.
That was my reaction – suddenly Rob Porter is someone the press wants to promote, eh?
All you have to do to be a hero to the swamp is shout ‘down with Trump!’.
Yeaaaah. I am gonna say that whole book is pure fiction.
It’s like Y2K all over again. Now anyone can write a book talking horseshit and profit. Trump really has been good for the economy.
Coming soon the new Best Seller by Bob Woodward “Horse shit and Profit, inside the mind of Bob Woodward”
Yeah, I don’t think Trump would just forget that he was terming the NAFTA deal to set up renegotiation.
Brown University censored a study on Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria published by one of their public health researches in journal PLOS ONE.
this happened last week. here’s Brown’s reasoning…
https://news.brown.edu/articles/2018/08/gender
Independent of the University’s removal of the article because of concerns about research methodology, the School of Public Health has heard from Brown community members expressing concerns that the conclusions of the study could be used to discredit efforts to support transgender youth and invalidate the perspectives of members of the transgender community.
what could the study have possibly said that made Brown disavow it?
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330#sec036
It is plausible that ROGD represents an ego-syntonic maladaptive coping mechanism for some AYAs and that peer group and online influences may contribute to its development. It is unknown whether the gender dysphoria of rapid-onset gender dysphoria is temporary or likely to be long-term. The elevated number of friends per friendship group who became transgender-identified, the pattern of cluster outbreaks of transgender-identification in these friendship groups, the substantial percentage of friendship groups where the majority of the members became transgender-identified, and the peer group dynamics observed all serve to support the plausibility of social and peer contagion for ROGD. The worsening of mental well-being and parent-child relationships and behaviors that isolate teens from their parents, families, non-transgender friends and mainstream sources of information are particularly concerning.
So, the study said it is pure bullshit and the school censored the study for political reasons.
Got it.
deplatformed for being uncomfortable is how you get to the New Truth.
No, that is emphatically not what the paper said. The controversial part of this paper is its argument that the clinician should be involved in determining if medical or surgical transition should be initiated, while the activist opinion is that the clinician should provide medical or surgical transition upon request.
23.8% of the parents who knew the content of their child’s visit reported that the child was offered prescriptions for puberty blockers and/or cross-sex hormones at the first visit.
these parents are failing their children.
23.8% of the parents who knew the content of their child’s visit
The parents should “know the content” of every visit by their child to a medical professional (with the possible exception of visits by female children for birth control or abortions). A doctor who doesn’t keep the parents fully informed is putting their license on the line and courting possible criminal charges because the doctor has to get informed consent from the parents (with the exceptions noted above). Who are these people who are dropping their kids off at the doctor with no clue what is going on?
And the first visit gets you a prescription for serious, serious hormone treatment? THE FIRST VISIT??? I wouldn’t think adults would start the getting the hard stuff that fast, much less teenagers.
Science!
As I read that statement, the School of Public Health took the position that regardless of the validity of the study (“Independent of the University’s removal of the article because of concerns about research methodology”), the study was bad because it might make people feel bad (“invalidate the perspectives of members of the transgender community”).
You put way more work into parsing that language than needed. Its not there because the speaker believes it. Its not there because the speaker expects anyone to believe that they believe it.
It is the green grocer sign. It is put up for the same reason a dog tucks tail, voids its bladder, and rolls on its back to exposes its belly.
Some parents described clinicians who seemed to push the process of transition before the patient asked for it. One parent described that the doctor gave her daughter a prescription that she didn’t ask for, “The family doctor who gave her the Androgel Rx [prescription] did NOT ask her many questions (she was surprised by this), nor did he await her assessment by a licensed psychiatrist before giving her this Rx. Nor did she ask him for this Rx.” Another parent reported that she and her child were at the endocrinologist’s office only to ask questions, and described, “…[he] didn’t listen to a word we were saying. He was too eager to get us set up with a ‘gender therapist’ to get the legal form he needed to start hormones, all while making sure we set up our next appointment within 6 months to start the hormones…”
it’s real easy. you just say no and walk out.
That tells me that endocrinologists are making bank on this gender identity foofaraw.
the DEA jumps all over opioid prescribers. are they touching this?
No. They don’t have any jurisdiction over endocrine and hormone drugs.
Peak derp?
No such thing. I think de-evolution is in progress. Idiocracy was a prophecy.
lolwut
Germans, Italians and Polish?
Don’t forget the Irish. They’re not white either.
Look, the crimson is only when we’ve been out in the sun.
this part is surprisingly spot on:
The Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer, which overlap, embrace an America-first nationalism that is less pro-white than it is anti-Muslim, anti-illegal immigrant, and anti-Black Lives Matter.
But how that is glibly asserted to be “white supremacy” escapes me
lazy journalism is still journalism. did the writer bother to explore why those groups are anti-Islam? no, of course not because it’s not important. what’s important is that minorities are leaving their reservations.
The only thing the establishment truly fears.
Patrice O’Neal was right. They just want whites and blacks (and everyone) to hate each other.
The Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer, which overlap, embrace an America-first nationalism that is less pro-white than it is anti-Muslim, anti-illegal immigrant, and anti-Black Lives Matter.
Daniel Martinez HoSang, associate professor at Yale University, co-author of the forthcoming Producers, Parasites, Patriots: Race and the New Right-Wing Politics of Precarity, says “Multiculturalism has become a norm in society” and has spread from corporations and consumer culture to conservatism and the far-right.
Indeed, Patriot Prayer’s leader is Joey Gibson, who is half-Japanese and claims Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., as a hero. But his agenda is the opposite of King’s. Gibson’s rallies have attracted neo-Confederates and neo-Nazis.
“We hold these truths . . . . ”
“I have a dream . . . ”
Pretty much the foundation for my political views.
I guess I should be proud of myself.
So they’re not white supremacist groups?? But you just said—. Oh, fuck it.
Too many fallacies to unpack in that article, but it doesn’t even come close to peak derp. Even this week. Even today. It’s just more of the now-run-of-the-mill leftist mendacity.
The left, as someone said in the morning links, really does not understand the right. The left has been calling everyone racist for a long, long time, but they’ve only managed to convince themselves.
A real Marxist analysis of class instead of race would have made this clear, but, you know, the left has moved away from Marx.
Where are all the white women at?
Statistically speaking, probably Starbucks.
It is pumpkin spice latte season.
So, let’s see, either it really is that there is a perception among many different races that the left hates the US and is opposed to its fundamental values and are therefore participating in organizations they perceive as countering that because of their own belief in those values, and the whites involved accept them for the same reasons
OR
Dem dere white nazi klansman done figured out how to use being a house nigger to recruit them some brown folk to help keep dem field niggers in line.
And the Daily Beast’s conclusion is that the latter is a more plausible explanation than the former. Roger that.
Right on Dove, good article. This thread is dead but in case you or anyone check back there is a great internet radio set of stations that I often listen to at somam.com. They have an easy listening/exotica/bachelor pad statio on it called Illinois Street Lounge. I usually am on one of the other stations, mostly Secret Agent Rádio. Check it out.
http://somafm.com/player/#/now-playing/illstreet
Thanks!
Me, I’m pretty much settled on The Retro Cocktail Hour or LuxuriaMusic.Com.
Sorry everybody! I’ve been out all day. I shall now attempt to reply to some of you.
Good article, WCD. I’ve been lost in a musical void since I ‘ve been lurking on TOS many moons ago. No one ever mentioned the E(asy) L(istening) word. I grew up with a 5 tube Arvin and two older brothers in the ’40s-50s that shaped my musical tastes. There were a lot of vocalists, male and female, and the big band stuff was still popular. It wasn’t ’til the early ’50s and Elvis came on the scene and my parents, of course, thought that all the what passed for rock at the time was trashy, just the way a teenager likes his music, that I started to move in a little different direction. Now I enjoy the old Western/cowboy music. I’m still “Waltzing Across Texas with Bob Wills.
All the new stuff from the ’70s and later is foreign to me.