The world of green chilies is a vast one. Everyone knows about New Mexico green chilies and their highly marketed name plate Hatch. I love green chilies, and the chili that is its namesake, and grew up eating it. I often use Hatch chilies in a pinch, but have always preferred locally grown when available, which is always if one plans right and has them in the freezer. I was unaware of the chili rivalry between Colorado and New Mexico that I uncovered during the 15 minutes I spent researching this article.
Being a semi-loyal Glib reader and a thin crust pepperoni clad warrior in the food wars, I am not afraid of voicing an opinion when it comes to food, but always just knew western Colorado chilies were far superior to anything grown in New Mexico–or anywhere else for that matter–and never gave it a second thought. I never made a big deal about it because what is the point of harping on facts to people lacking all the information since they probably never had a chili grown here.
I also never even considered anything grown on the front range, such as in Pueblo, was worth anything because the front range, anything east of the mountains, is considered by western slope folk to be pretty much western Kansas, and Pueblo has only ever been famous for being the location of the CO loony bin back in the day. In short, the only good thing about the front range is the Broncos.
This summer I have been far less enthused about fresh produce season than previous years due to a case of the mehs which I get from time to time, but I recently stopped and grabbed a handful of chilies (Big Jims) from a stand and brought them home for roasting. The best way to buy chilies is to buy big and have the seller roast them for you, but they wanted $35 for a box and I was not willing to part with $35 at the moment and it is no problem roasting small quantities ones self.
I did these on the Weber on a small pile of coals and the method consists of drinking beer and turning them until they char a bit on all sides and then put them in a paper bag to steam.
The day I roasted those chilies if I looked only through my left eye, they looked like this:
You see, there are certain factors that may cause cataracts and I checked most of the boxes.
Aging: Check (sort of, I am only early fifties)
Over exposure to UV rays: Check
I started skiing in 1972 when I was seven and back then we used the finest sunglasses one could buy at the gas station. Preferably red white and blue layered plastic frames with reflective plastic lenses, and that is what we wore during sunny days on the slopes which was most weekends when I was a kid. I have spent most of my life working outdoors in very sunny locations, and I have also done a fair amount of welding in some of the world’s finest shitholes with the finest welding masks available in said shitholes. UV protection is not a known hazard in most shitholes and you will see welders arcing beads wearing nothing but plastic sunglasses.
Diabetes: Maybe a possible Check
There is a good chance I have spent much of my life pre-diabetic due to diet and lifestyle. I was diagnosed as such in my mid 30’s but never felt bad so what was the point of following up on that right?
Drinking too much: Ya, ok, maybe, sometimes, occasionally, a time or two.
Smoking: Check. Off and on for thirty years.
It seems I most likely did this to myself in one way or another. That is something I have to come to terms with as I age. I never thought I would live long enough to ponder life’s questions of self reflection on what I have done to myself. Whether it was career choices and the hazards that come with using one’s body as a tool, recreation choices where the body is just another piece of equipment to be abused, and what is most damaging of all, what is ingested for fun or to silence the inner voice rambling on about what horrible choices you made in your life.
To go with my green chilies I dug some Italian sausage out of the fridge that I had cooked earlier for pizza, as well as a pizza dough that was made, surprisingly, for the same purpose.
Being someone who has only had one surgery when I was five when my tonsils were removed, and having a serious phobia about anything touching my eyeballs to the point I struggle to put in eye drops and even fainted during a glaucoma test once when I was in my late teens, I arrived for my surgery pretty much freaked the fuck out. But by god I could do it, “don’t be a pussy,” I kept telling myself. My blood pressure was jacked when they first hooked me up to all the monitoring devices but I eventually settled down. The doctor and the anesthetist, who introduced himself as the guy who would make me feel good, dropped by to check on me and soon they wheeled me away to the operating room.
I peeled my green chilies and laid them on the pizza dough as best they would fit, leaving enough dough on the outside edge to later fold. I placed a sliced-lengthwise piece of sausage on each green chili and covered it with cheese. I then cut around each chili leaving enough dough to fold kind of like a pinched top taco, sideways calzone or big dumpling.
They don’t put you under for cataract surgery and only mildly sedate you because you have to listen to the doctor and move your eye when he needs. During the surgery I only really freaked once and had to be told to hold still. It felt like the doc was pushing my eyeball into my brain as he wrestled the cataract infused lens out of my head and I found that a bit unnerving.
I did my green chili calzone things on my gas grill on my fire brick platform until golden brown.
They could be stuffed with anything you want, and they were good. I found they were better the next day. I ate one that night in some marinara which overtook the green chili and I was not that impressed with my creation. The next day I muckled down the rest one at a time as I reheated them one by one and ate them poolside, and the green chili really came through. They were delicious.
As to my whole cataract ordeal, it took something like 30-45 minutes in the operating room and I was at the hospital for little more than two hours. It is truly amazing the day after and I see with clarity I have not seen with in 20 years. It can only be described as how you are amazed at the clarity and drastic focus things appear after eating a small handful of mushrooms. Not the, “holy shit that chick put her makeup on with a spatula” clarity but just vivid focus that seems drastic compared to what I have been living with for the past few years when the cataract really got bad.
As they wheeled me to recovery with a patch over my eye the anesthetist asked how I felt. I said, “Disappointed, I am not near as high as I hoped I would be”. He said, “Here, we don’t give you what you want, we give you what you need.” I caught the Stones reference, but was not sharp enough to come back with a wiseass retort, but sure plan to when they do my right eye some months down the road. I am going to tell him to hell with this what you need stuff, give me what Keith would have.
It wasn’t that long ago in medical history when the procedure done to me was not possible and I indeed feel lucky I am alive when it is. It sure is better than previous techniques like poking a stick in the eye.
A stick would work to roast a green chili over a fire though.
That looks delicious. I could so eat that.
I have an eye thing, too. Man, I hope I never have to go through any eye surgery. You’re freaking me the fuck out just reading that.
But thanks for writing! I think. 😉
To carry on yesterdays discussion, I ran and got another bushel of those chilis I mentioned. Farmer man said they are Charger’s. I had never heard of them.
Huh. I haven’t either. Interesting.
I’ve made it through SF’s “creations”, but WS sets a high bar for cringing posts. Hopefully someday I’ll once again be able to think about chiles without eyes getting sliced up. *shiver*
That was a very, very interesting piece of writing craft there. I am jealous.
Of the writing. Not getting an eyeball chopped up.
Just to be clear.
Thanks. I had planned on writing a well researched piece with interviews and a long list of citations to destroy once and for all the delusion that New Mexico grows the best chilies but I am extremely lazy by nature so just wrote about something I cooked after drinking too much and an experience I had a few weeks ago.
I grew up with New Mex chilis. They are just what tastes right to me. I’ll have to dig up Grandma Dean’s* red sauce recipe and post it. It starts “get some chilis off the ristra ”, but there’s a version for chili powder, too.
*not her real name.
YES, please.
The family of the woman who taught me how to cook NM dishes has been around northern NM for hundreds of years (verifiably). She was a goddess and chef by profession. There are only a few things on which I deviate at all. (For instance, I use Rancho de Chimayo’s vegetarian green recipe.)
Regarding chili: If your head doesn’t sweat when you eat it, it’s too mild.
Down side: Feeling like you’re shitting napalm the next morning.
Definitely the first part. I don’t often have the side effect of the second part.
That’s where I set the bar – head sweats means I’m eating enough heat.
I typically don’t experience morning after issues either.
I’m not a huge fan of hot sauces, but love fresh hot peppers or dried pepper powder.
The worst sweats I have ever gotten from food was street food in Thailand. The inside of my ears were sweating. Crazy hot.
Was it full of soapweed?
Cilantro? Do they even have that there? It was full of red peppers and it floored me.
Oh. I know the chile part. But I wouldn’t have gone near it if full of soapweed.
It was red curry chicken or at least that is what I call it. We should be able to buy something that tastes great and will melt your face off packaged in a plastic bag with a twist tie on the street here, but I have yet to see it.
Probably birdseye chilis.
You gotta watch those little red Thai birdseye peppers, I make this with homegrown Thais and halfway through I flop sweat, by the end sweat is dripping off my eyebrows and nose. The heat never overpowers the flavor though, you don’t get that burning mouth sensation.
Oh ya, I make that quite often. Thai peppers are awesome. Those are actually one thing I could grow in pots last year. Didn’t try this year because the rest of last years garden was such a graveyard. I didn’t remediate my soil near enough. I am up out of the valley and my soil is shit.
I’ve had one meal I had to tap out of because it was too spicy at the time (I finished the next day), and I’m just tired of arguing with waiters that when I’m asking for spicy food I don’t want roundeye spicy, I want something actually spicy.
“Here, we don’t give you what you want, we give you what you need.”
Unless you need more than FedGov thinks is appropriate.
Beer I grabbed when out to get more chilies:
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/156/129157/
Not horrible, but not awesome either.
Looks really tasty.
Having lived in CO for almost 2 decades, but NM born and bred I have to say that there is no comparison between Hatch chiles and anywhere else. CO chiles are a sad facsimile.
Well that is because you are just down the road from Pueblo.
The stand where I got the Big Jims I roasted in the article had some “Hatch” chilies. I didn’t ask what variety, but they wanted $45 a bushel. They do demand top dollar.
I hope this hasn’t been posted yet:
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That reminds me; time to donate some cash to Glibs.
So, the site went down just as you were typing that. Hmmmmmm.
(DreamHost is having some data center issues.)
I posted it.
OT: A surprisingly balanced article on gun ownership from the Atlantic of all places.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/09/john-correia-self-defense/565739/
Best tactic for surviving a gun fight: Don’t get in a gun fight. Works every time.
The Atlantic often publishes balanced pieces.
Here, we don’t give you what you want,
Next time tell’em It’s not about what I want.
Nice write up, Westernsloper. Although I’m still not sold on the ‘My regions peppers are better than yours’ thing. Peppers are peppers you can grow good or bad ones anywhere.
True. I have noticed a great difference in my peppers depending on what type soil they are grown in. Sandstony hill top – bitter with no heat. Toss ’em out.
Richer soil, slightly alkaline at the bottom of the hill – very tasty and hot habeneros, same for jalepenos.
And you can change the quality of your soil, in fact, you need to, growing the same crop year after year in the same spot is bad practice. You add compost or calcium, or ash, let it a fallow,etc.. now climate, inches of rain and average heat etc…that may make a difference but the soil? not buying it.
They regularly rotate crops here. It also does not rain enough to really grow anything. It is all irrigated from the river in a web of canals and ditches that has evolved over time once people started moving in here after they ran the other people/Utes who already lived here off. Water rights is a big deal here.
I got what you want
You got what I need
My claim our chilies are better is of course tongue in cheek smartassery. I have had some awesome Anaheim chilies that were grown in TX. As to growing bad peppers, ya, that is me. I can’t grow shit. I have to leave things in the fridge twice as long as anyone else just to grow mold.
Those chili concoctions look good.
I’m glad to hear your cataract surgery went well.
Macular Degeneration and detached retinas crop up often in one branch of my family. It’s passed me by so far.
I hope that keeps passing you by DG. I don’t know anything about Macular Degeneration, but funny enough the old farmer I bought chilis from today was talking to his buddy about it. I didn’t pay attention to their conversation, but his wife says to me, “those two went to high school together. They get together every so often to discuss who in their class recently died.” I didn’t quite know what to say to that and then she laughed.
Thanks for the well wishes, I hope it passes me by too.
“It wasn’t that long ago in medical history when the procedure done to me was not possible”
I had the cataract surgery, both eyes, about 12-14 years ago, I was about 70 or maybe a coupe years younger. I was disappointed in that I noticed no improvement ’cause I wasn’t suffering any known degradation. I have no idea what I was expecting. Maybe not need glasses after? I dunno. I already wore glasses and got the new prescription and my sight was about where it was for the last few years before. It has since went downhill but with glasses I’m still OK. They are plenty thick around the edges though.
In any case, many of my friends have had the surgery and are very pleased with the results. My son (56) just had his surgery and is like a pig in mud. Happy guy, only needs glasses to read, whereas I need glasses to know when its day light. The docs have a lot of body/fender/tuneups they can do that make our lives a lot more pleasant. For that I am grateful we don’t live in Maduro’s Paradise.
I remember reading you went through this Fourscore. You had lens replacement or another procedure? I heard after I had mine done that it is not overly uncommon for a Doc to misjudge an eye and order a wrong lens and make things worse. I am in your sons boat and don’t need glasses now except for reading. After my last visit the Doc said it may be ten or more years before I need my other eye done. Seems my brain was able to re-adjust to a new dominant eye and I don’t notice the minor cataract in my right eye much now.
Yeah, I did get the lens replacement. I’m sure that eyes vary and the amount of degradation is hard to judge. I’m a body parts donor and I guess we’re supposed to carry the lens prescription with us at all times. Probably my card has gotten folded, spindled and mutilated along the way. My wife and I have our medical will to include donating our bodies to science and re-purposing anything usable. Not sure how much will be of value.
Good that your surgery has worked out so well. For those not needing the procedure just yet, as Westernsloper has said, it’s more inconvenient than something to worry about. We worry more with medical anxiety than we need to. Somehow all the discomfort is overcome and the results are well worth it.
I have it on my drivers license that I am to be parted out as well. Also standing orders with my family to send my corps (corpse?) (fuck it) dead body to a med school for dismemberment. The Doc that did this amazed me. To have the skill to be able to operate on something as small as an eyeball is skill that is humbling to us normals. If my swollen liver and bad joints can help teach someone medicine I figure it is the least I can do and I usually try to be the first one to volunteer to do the least.
They’re welcome to buy my body parts and defray the costs of the funeral.
I am a big believer we should be able to cut a deal for our parts prior to passing.
Funeral? Lookit, Mr. Hotshit over here getting a funeral. I figure once I start smelling bad enough somebody’ll plant me.
John is one step ahead of you -https://youtu.be/JfBdMXhpQnU
Well fuck me with a spork – https://youtu.be/JfBdMXhpQnU
6 hour cook of the ribs almost done. I want them now. but have to wait for guests. whatever, more drinks for me I guess.
No, you don’t have to wait for guests.
“OMG a giant hawk swept out of the sky and carried them off!”
Or, dog, or whatever fits your local fauna.
You can still have more drinks.
You never heard of “Pitmaster’s privilege?”
Is that the primae noctis of grilling?
Nice article western. I’m not a big fan of heat, but we always grow some jalapenos, red chiles, and cayennes in the garden each year.
I can sympathize on the eye surgery. I ripped my cornea open as a teenager, which cause my eyelids on that eye to seal shut as the crud dried. An ophthalmologist ripped open my eyelids, added some numbing drops, and then guided a needle into my eye to repair the rip. It pushed my boundary of uncomfortable to sit there and watch that needle going directly into my eye.
I’m not normally squeamish, except for when it comes to anything related to eyes. I’m thankfully 20/20.
Holy shit ya that would be way out of bounds. During this whole ordeal I could not see anything but a bright light. I could just feel and felt nothing on my eye at all. They numb that.
It went without saying that Trinidadian scotch bonnet peppers are best of all.
Never had one.
You would remember. I think HM means moruga scorpion peppers, which are among the hottest in the world.
Nice article Westernslopet. You write real good.
That looks cool!
As you mention, all chile is “Hatch” just like all dope was “Columbian” in the ’70s. We have plenty enough here that I don’t go by the name but how it looks, feels and smells.
The NM State Question (TM) is “Red or Green” and I’ve gone to red chili on about everything except, probably, cheeseburgers and pizza. And rellanos. Had a search to find chile rellanos that you didn’t have to cut with a chainsaw. I think that they’ve mostly switched to pablano chiles that avoids that problem.
Rough to hear about the eye. I might have that to look forward to.
A co-worker had some eye surgery and made the mistake of looking up the procedure on youtube. I guess the procedure involved popping out his eye and laying on his cheek.
One other chile note: According to the style guide put out years ago, the word chile refers to the vegetable, either raw or roasted, and chili refers to the prepared dish, like a stew or sauce. So I might have some green chili stew, a green chile cheeseburger or red chili on my huevos rancheros. Mmm, huevos rancheros.
… Hobbit
I have absolutely put it on cheeseburgers and pizza. But then, look whom I’m married to, it’s unavoidable.
One other chile note: According to the style guide put out years ago, the word chile refers to the vegetable, either raw or roasted, and chili refers to the prepared dish, like a stew or sauce.
Your first name isn’t Ted is it? I actually looked that up because spell check says it is wrong when writing this and what I read said they were interchangeable. Get with the times the internet told me it was ok. And a big thumbs up to green chilE on cheeseburgers ala Blakes Lotaburger. I have to stop at one anytime I drive through the state.
I was sitting at a stop light looking at a Blake’s sign yesterday and thinking the thing looks weirdly simian. My grandfolk’s on mom’s side knew the guy, supposedly.
They make a great burger.
Wiktionary says chili can be used for both, but implies chile is only for the chili peppers. Except in Mexico, where it’s also a vulgar word for the male member.
This style guide came from the Albuquerque Journal back in the distant days when I still subscribed to dead trees. There was a spirited discussion in the paper about the usage. The chile/chili distinction that they came up with seems to be a reasonable solution. Doesn’t really matter, it’s probably invisible to anyone outside of the Four Corners States.
The green chile cheeseburger is really a wonderful invention and they are doing a “Top Ten” every year. Many little burger joints that are unknown outside of their locality are getting statewide attention. Mrs. Hobbit and I have been taking advantage of the list, doing Sunday Drives to winners and comparing ourselves. Blakes is always near the top of the list. BTW, for those passing through on I-25, the little town of San Antonio (south of Soccoro) has two places across the street from each other that not only make the NM list but have both been featured nationwide (dare I mention the New York Times?)
… Hobbit
Wisdom tooth removal is oddly pleasant, at least the couple videos I’ve seen. Haven’t had to enjoy it myself.
My brother messed himself up watching knee surgeries before he went under.
Looks like the site is back up.
Is it?
Only for Tulpa.
Let me see if I can post a comment.
The site was down? That’s it cancel my subscription!!!
Well, if you insist….
“We have plenty enough here that I don’t go by the name but how it looks, feels and smells.”
Way to sum up my dating history.
But have you ever smelled one of your dates after roasting?
Depends on how you define “date” and “roast”. Or if spit is involved.
Huh, when I read this comment, “Colorado chilies were far superior to anything grown in New Mexico”, I fully expected a “SHUT YOUR DIRTY WHORE MOUTH!!!”, from SP.
I grow a variety of chilis every year. Most get roasted, skinned and frozen. Others get to turn red and dried. Most of the Jalapeños end up in escabeche. This year my Jalapeños have zero heat, so I have a couple gallon bags full in the fridge I’m not sure what I’m going to do with.
On the other half of the story, I’m almost looking forward to cataracts. I’ve worn glasses since the third grade and I’m blind as a bat without them.
As for life, it wasn’t too many years ago in my mid forties that I was in the best shape of my life. I was a fire Captain, I trained/taught martial arts 16 hours a week, my blood pressure was 120/60 and my resting pulse rate was 56. Then my knees took a crap and everything changed. Fast forward to November 2010 and I’m in recovery following my first knee surgery. It was four months after I went offline. They wouldn’t let me out of recovery for two hours because my blood pressure was stuck at 170/110. Today in my mid fifties, I’m on three different bp medications because my diastolic pressure is almost impossible to get under 90. I try to keep my diet balanced, alcohol intake below stupid levels and get plenty of exercise. I have been bitch slapped by family heredity.
Meh, I doubt I would have done anything differently. I just wish I had known what was coming, I would have enjoyed it more.
Totally relate to being in shape mid 40’s although I would have to say my late 30’s were peak for me. In my 40’s I was hiking with a heavy pack through some not nice places and no problems. Not fire fighter heavy packs because that is just stupid but heavy enough. Turned 50 and went to shit. I am due for a new hip in a few months which I can’t wait for so I can actually get back to exercise. My job now has me walking around 3-5 miles a day which helps cardio a bit but doing that with no cartilage in a hip joint makes life just suck.