There’s something to be said for the notion that comic books are like jazz. Both are American art forms, free form and unique, pulling inspiration from rustic roots and becoming insanely popular. The two art forms were born and bred from the underclass, dismissed as savage and crude by the educated at the time, and a protest against the stifling cultural norms of the time. They became popular around the world, but were never able to be fully replicated outside the United States…at least not in the same form. Both jazz and comics had a major societal impact. Both forms took themselves more and more seriously…and both seem to be creative dead ends, neither impacting culture or selling like they once did.
One might object that both are still important. After all, one can’t go to the theaters without being bombarded by men in capes. One can’t go out to eat without some light jazz playing in the background. Yet that doesn’t make the actual comics books themselves important any more, nor does it make jazz artists important. A popular comic today sells less than ten or twenty thousand copies. A new jazz album? About the same. Long gone are the days when Captain Marvel would sell two million copies each month.
This isn’t about jazz. Much as I love Miles Davis, and my Sundays are spent blaring away Duke Ellington or John Coltrane, it’s not an area where I feel knowledgeable enough to speak. Comics, however? That was my childhood. After baseball practice, glove hanging off my handlebars, I would ride down to the local convenience store and and coins in my pocket to pick something off the spinner racks that were ubiquitous. Paper route money would buy me Moon Knight, Spider Man, Batman, or whatever four color hero caught my eye. As I got older, my tastes changed. I would buy Cerebus, Love and Rockets or some other black and white independent comic. Later, those purchases would fade away almost entirely. It was the cycle of life. A piece of childhood put away in long boxes, to be opened again by some child, decades later.
The industry worked back then. Comics made money. If an issue sold below 200,000 copies it was in danger of cancellation. Today, selling just ten percent of those numbers would be a “success” by industry standards. If not for their value as intellectual property in movies and television, it would be a very, very obscure market.
What killed comics? It seems that there are many answers. One argument is that it’s being killed by companies pushing a political message in their comics. In a push for “diversity,” comics have taken on an almost singular voice. Popular characters are replaced by women, people of color, LGBTQKT+ (or whatever word salad is in use as of this writing), etc. Sales fall, and then the “real” versions of the characters return. If one goes on Twitter, writers and editors are hostile and chastising to those who espouse a different political opinion.
The other side would argue that there isn’t enough diversity. Comics aren’t selling because they only appeal to a narrow demographic of unwashed white men with toxic attitudes, cloistered in unfriendly comic book shops. If you’re going to expand your audience, then that means selling to new demographics.
Others have taken the approach of “those darn kids” and shake their fists at the non-reading youth of today. They would rather play video games than read a comic. Why read about the X-Men when you could, instead, play AS one of the X-Men in a video game?
Of course, there’s also the idea of accessibility. You can rarely find comics on newstands or stores. Buying a comic requires a trip to a comic shop, which not every city has. Even if you do have a comic shop, it’s not always a friendly place. Children aren’t welcome to spend hours paging through the comics, like they would in front of a spinner rack.
If I had to guess, my answer to the problem would be all of the above.
Two examples. A decade ago, my son, then at the age when I picked up my first comic, was obsessed with the characters before he had ever read a comic. He had a Spider Man poster over his bed. He would wear his Batman costume around the house, sneaking from behind the couch to throw a foam battarang at me. We played a game called Heroclix where he knew all the obscure characters you could play. If any child would be a future comic reader, it would be him.
A proud Dad, I took him to a comic shop…only to be met with suspicious stares, and unfriendly help. Being knowledgeable about comics, I went around to find him books he might like. I had little success. In an attempt to be more “adult” and “serious,” the books presented barriers. You needed decades of knowledge of the characters. There were no jumping on points. No issue contained it’s own story. (Batman Adventures was an exception.) We could never find three or four issues a week for him to pour over like I did. Even if we could have, the cover price alone makes it impossible. (Adjusted for inflation, I paid the equivalent of $1.65 per issue. Today the average cover price is $3.99 to $4.99) He then gravitated to manga, a form I find somewhat baffling, before giving it up entirely. He knows the characters through movies, but he’ll never take his child to buy an American comic. Two generations lost for the medium.
The next example is me introducing a new reader to comics. My writing and podcasting partner had never read a comic as a kid. She didn’t relate to the characters. She wanted to be Nancy Drew, not Batman. For our podcast, she now reads about 12 to 18 comics a month. Most feel like punishments. Incomprehensible characters. Muddled art. Ham fisted messages. Lack of discernible character motivations. Even with the women-written issues, featuring strong women characters, they aren’t anything that would have appealed to her when she was younger. The characters all lack flaws, for example. How can you have drama if the lead character is always flawless?
So comics aren’t written for kids. They’re not written for adults. They’re not written for the existing fans. They’re not written for new fans. Who are they writing for?
Bringing it back to jazz, who are jazz musicians playing for? Count Basie played for the people who came to dance. Ella played for people coming out for a good time at her shows, for the radio, for the listeners. Today, jazz runs away from the popular. The days of unruly kids running riot and dancing the jitterbug is as archariac as young kids sitting under a tree with comics. Today jazz is all about sophistication. Long free form performances are the rule, the tight piece you can dance to is gone. We’ve replaced Stompin’ at the Savoy with half empty bars, surrounded by people who look like Woody Allen, listening to the musical equivalent of watching someone self pleasure himself for a half hour. If you don’t like it, then you’re obviously unsophisticated. Begone, philistine, and listen to rap…and the kids do. Goodbye jazz. Like classical, you’ve become soundtrack and background noise.
In the end, the market decides. People vote with their dollars, and you either adapt or fade away. Gone are the days where the bandleaders would reign in the jazz artists, so they could bring in the crowds. Gone are the comic editors who didn’t give a damn about what was in the comic as long as it moved off the stands. You can make all the excuses you want, but the numbers don’t lie. Can comics survive when they cost more to make than they earn?
Doesn’t take the world’s greatest detective to figure that one out.
American comics peaked with Wonder Warthog. It’s been all downhill since then.
I thought it peaked with Fat-Man?!
https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=343421
Shelton was a fucking genius, and WW is unparalleled. But TBH, Crumb may have been the finest American artist in the 20th century.
I have one of his music CD’s. It came with one of his books I bought.
Natch!
I remember going to see “Fritz the Cat” and “The Nine Lives of Fritz the Cat” at the old Waterloo Theater’s midnight movie (beer was sold, pot was overlooked). That would have been about 1978-79. Great times.
I was 13 when I saw FTC.
Then people wonder why….
The Federal Trade Commission? You must have been bored.
Watching that would have fucked me up more than Fritz the Cat!
I read a lot of Weirdo comics (along with Freak Bros) back as a teen. TOS’s Peter Bagge did some pieces in them, but when I mentioned it in one of his posts there, he got (NPI) weird about it – very defensive.
Even if you do have a comic shop, it’s not always a friendly place. Children aren’t welcome to spend hours paging through the comics, like they would in front of a spinner rack.
Two childhood memories: Sitting on the bottom shelf of the toy section (army men! snap cap guns, paper rolls or six shots! grenade water balloons!) at the grocery story reading Sgt Rock while my mom did the grocery shopping. There were two spinners of comic books too.
First time going to a comic store and getting yelled at by the staff for opening & reading one of the comic books. No one yells at you in a bookstore for checking out a book there.
That comic store was Pegasus, which was the forerunner to Dark Horse Comics. Still not a fan.
Why comic shop owners aren’t doing everything in their power to get folks to read is baffling.
Take your pocket money, and GET OUT.
The closest comic shop is 50 miles away for me. Also, listened to most of your podcast last night, true crime isn’t my thing. But I do own a copy of this a college writing professor gave me.
Hey! Glad you listened! Less true crime after this, I think.
Dahmer is so damn disturbing, I think viewing him through the lens of an abstract medium might be the best way to approach him.
As a kid, I would buy my comics at the local grocery store. Mostly I bought The New Mutants, X-men, and Groo. Occasionally I would try other series (usually Marvel), but those were the main ones.
Just re-read a bunch of old Groo comics. Can’t believe how well they end up.
Dark Horse re-prints Groo. My sister and I had almost a complete collection but it disappeared somewhere..
Buck Godot?… I like Foglio’s style, started with the original Myth illustrations.
Same here. I’ve never been in an actual comics store. I liked Spider-Man, fantastic 4 and Richie rich
That’s how I started – it got a little out of hand over the next several years. I have thousands of them in my basement.
Me too.
I started buying ‘The Incredible Hulk’ when the cover price was $0.20. Continued to buy them right up until the ’90s.
Went to my comic store and picked up my 2 weeks of reserved books and paid the man nearly $100.
Went home, started reading, and somewhere along the way through that stack, said “WTF?” and stopped cold turkey.
I’ve bought a couple of graphic novels since then and will pick up a book to peruse every now and then, but… nope.
The Marvel greed machine and the pretty but empty ‘artist’ comics (Darkhorse, Valiant, Image) ruined it for me.
Ditto – Although my second child and (now ex) wife irritated with comic spending was what sort of ended it (also in the mid 90s). Hard to justify spending that much money on what had essentially become shiny “special” cover additions.
Jazz is Music for Musicians, I love the stuff, but the style is Self Defeating, as for as Commercial success, with few exceptions
/Take Five..
Great post, thanks for writing. You’re making me think!
It seems to me like comics are like Saturday Night Live. Both used to be popular and high quality. Now both are just used as a spring board to the main attraction, which is movies, and now both are unpopular and low quality.
I think the biggest factor is kids no longer interested in reading. They are slaves to the almighty screen, and don’t have the attention span to read an entire comic.
My nieces are big readers and big into the comic book movies, so I’ve bought them a few graphic novel collections so they could get a full story. I don’t think they’ve really read them, just skimmed them.
You think about YA novels selling better than any other segment, and I’m not sure on that. On the other hand, they sure ain’t reading comics.
But who is reading those YA novels? I think my wife and I read more of them than our kids.
*paging MLW to the courtesy phone*
There are still comic shops where I live, but I think they get a lot of business from kids who get together there to play games like Magic.
My local comic shop is also the nexus of Warhammer 40k in the area, so I’m there fairly routinely.
I saw John Coltrane’s son play the sax last night at Birdland. I guess he was good, but I thought the opening act was a better combo.
Writing for yourself does not always yield bad results. I write for myself. But I specifically write to entertain myself, so I strive for a story I would enjoy reading. I think the current crop of comics writers are not writing for themselves, but performing a kabuki dance of virtue signalling, knowing that no one will actually read their work. So they can say “I included the first XYZ character!” even when that label is the extent of the ‘characterization’ given. They fail to write human beings, and fail to tell stories, so the sales suffer.
That reminds me, I need to pick a story and work on getting it ready for an editor. I’ve got so many floating around half-finished and making incremental progress on each.
Like all writing, 99% is crap. A good editor laying down the law can help move that needle. In comics, Jim Shooter was an amazing editor. Made sure that even crap writers would put out something readable, while still letting someone like Frank Miller take creative risks.
“But I specifically write to entertain myself,”
These euphemisms always entertain.
Tell your puppeteer to wash their hand – your mind is filthy.
^^ This. The best comics have always been to entertain the creators. Jim Shooters blog, when he was talking about his editorial style, was a hoot to read. Moore and Morrison clearly loved poking holes in the the tropes, but Moore was still able to write Tom Strong. Kirby, Lee, Denny O’Neil – each one of those worked out their pathologist but clearly had a good time doing it.
Most of the output from the big two.. it feels like soviet art. Stifiling and manufactured to a checklist of things which must be included. Its more like brutaslism than dadism. And when the medium is by its nature transient and disposable, that’s a problem.
Chuck Jones came to the Rialto theater here in Montreal in the 1990s. We watched unedited Bugs Bunny cartoons of his choosing that didn’t make it on TV. He then took questions from the audience.
One person asked if they were making a statement whenever they drew Bugs in drag to which he answered, ‘No, not really. We just thought he looked good in a dress’. He also explained a lot of the gags were to amuse each other and to mock their bosses.
So there you go.
There’s nothing wrong with writing for yourself. As long as you aren’t insisting everyone else pay you for it. Complaining about video games and these damned kids is complaining that they aren’t willing to pay them for material that isn’t written for the enjoyment of the person doing the paying.
Everyone I’ve
conned intoconvinced to read my work seems to enjoy it.If audiobooks are your shing, we have one for Lucid Blue that’s in the pipeline and should be available in the near future.
Ugh! I wasn’t talking about you. I was talking about people, in general. My apologies of the confusion.
Somehow, I don’t think you’d be crying about the grave injustice if people didn’t like and buy your work. As you said, you actually do write for yourself.
Let’s not underestimate UCS now. Even though we don’t see it here, it’s possible that he’s got potential to be a much bigger crier and complainer than we realize. Give him a chance.
Absorbing man is not wrong, here; however, her really has no place disparaging others for their names.
Great article and the jazz/comics connection is true. I’m a fan of both and think you’re spot on.
My dad, brother and I owned a comic book shop in the 90s during the boom & crash that laid some of the groundwork for the causes you’re describing. It was an interesting venture and we managed to get out just as the crash was starting so we didn’t completely lose our shirts on it. Mostly though, it let us get our comics for free and allowed my brother and I to meet some of the personalities of the day.
Besides Sgt Rock, PS would be my favorite comic series.
I was only tangentially involved in record and magazine retailing but it seemed like publishers of both media slowly tightening their return policies more and more until they started eating away at the number of retailers that would carry their products. If the retailer can’t return unsold product easily then they start carrying less and less of it until it becomes an insignificant part of their business. That partly explains why comic shops are so unfriendly. And the publishers reacted by raising prices to counter lost sales which only perpetuated the cycle.
I can’t even remember the last time there was an instrumental in the top ten. The record business is more interested in marketing personalities and it’s chews them up and spits them out. Jazz bandleaders back in the day made more money touring than selling records. Once it became easier to make money selling records instead of touring the record companies business model took over.
There are now portable video games, endless entertainment options on the internet, and dozens of superhero IPs for tv and film.
Go woke, go broke as they say.
I perused some of those SJW comics. They’re bad. Like, really bad. Unbelievably bad. Insulting bad.
No shit the genre took a hit.
I dated a good looking Portuguese girl in university and she liked having sex to Billie Holiday.
How does a muppet have sex with a human female?
She takes her fist and sticks it all the way through his bottom to his mouth.
Or as I call it, a weekend.
Well its not a mop, and its not a puppet, but boy are they…I don’t know.
You don’t want to know.
[Unsolicited opinions about Israel]
Joe Schuster, Bob Kane, Will Eisner… and now what do we have?
You mention Shuster because he’s a Toronto-Jew. On a serious note, didn’t he die pretty much penniless and couldn’t get the coin he felt he deserved for Super-Man or something?
Same as it ever was.
Oh, and to tie things together, note that Don Martin did the covers for albums by Sonny Stitt, Kai Winding, Art Farmer, and Miles Davis.
From an Atlantic article about unions and the Janus decision:
… the National Education Association, or NEA, is reaching out to members and trying to convince them that a union can help them fight for racial justice and equal distribution of resources, rather than just for salary wages, according to Testerman. Members are motivated to join when they think about how unions will be advocates for teachers and the communities they serve. “When people actually see a movement that is giving voice to their profession and their students, they join their union,” he told me.
Yeah, because the unions have historically been so good on social justice issues.
Also:
Left-leaning states have also tried to prepare for Janus by passing laws that will make it easier for unions to recruit members, even if they can’t collect agency fees. In California, for example, unions now have the right, thanks to a new law, to meet with new public employees as soon as they start working. A second new law keeps private the phone numbers and email addresses of employees of public agencies, so that anti-union groups will have a harder time convincing them to drop out of unions.
Unabashedly putting their thumb on the scale in favor of the unions. I wonder why.
Related – someone from the Hoover Institution is on Power Lunch discussing the new SCOTUS vacancy. He described Kennedy as a libertarian.
I confuse him with the nerdy chick with the short dress on Fox Business all the time.
Shepard Smith?
No. Lou Dobbs.
By the by, if you haven’t seen it, here is a nice documentary on one of the most prolific comic creators of all time who also happened to be a shitlord like us; In Search of Steve Ditko
Nerds.
So?
Let’s get those nerds.
Atomic wedgie!
That “Thor” exchange is surreal. If that’s what modern comics consist of, it’s no wonder their sales are tanking.
When you make your readers the literal enemy in your story you’ve gone full Ghostbusters reboot. You don’t ever go full Ghostbusters reboot.
An industry can’t survive a war with its customers. Especially when those customers have substitutes. And entertainment consumers have plenty of substitutes.
In principle, there’s no problem with trying to diversify your market. The thing is, if you’re losing existing customers and not getting a whole lot of new ones, maybe you’re not following the best business model. If sales are down by a factor of ten, you’re pretty obviously not replacing the customers you’re alienating. And when your response to criticism from your most loyal customers, your biggest fans, is contempt and disdain, you’re pretty much sealing your fate.
No business is entitled to their customers’ money. If you make a product your customers are no longer interested in (Gee, young boys are more interested in playing the hero in a videogame than get lectured to about how they’re cis-white-hetero-patriarchal shitlords by the latest black genderqueer differently-abled superhero. I’m shocked.), they’ll go elsewhere. Not only comic books, but much of the publishing and entertainment industry overall just doesn’t seem to get that.
^^^This.
You can include more diverse characters as long as:
1) You don’t beat people over the head with it
2) You don’t treat characters as 1-D cardboard cutouts that have nothing to offer beyond their genitals/melanin content
3) You don’t sacrifice story and good writing for propaganda
4) You don’t treat it as a zero sum game in which “diverse” characters exist at the expense of all others
5) You don’t purposely act hostile toward your audience
These are things you wouldn’t think would need to be said aloud, yet here we are.
No way. If they could get 3) correct, they could do 1), 2), 4) and 5) all day long.
I think someone posted a link sometime in the last six months quoting one of the new comic ‘artists’ saying that they didn’t give a shit if the fans liked the new comics, they were just gonna have to suck it up because social justicy reasons.
I am surprised they are still around. How long does it take for someone like that to go broke?
they were just gonna have to suck it up because social justicy reasons.
That’s just what they don’t understand. Fans don’t just have to suck it up. There’s no inkling of a shortage of things they can spend their money on. They don’t have any moral obligation whatsoever to finance the artists’ social justice posturing. They don’t owe you their business. And the only thing pretending otherwise will get you is on the unemployment line.
This is exactly why we need those artist stipends Naptown Bill was talking about. If customers won’t pay directly for social justice posturing, SOMEBODY needs to pay for it.
Kathleen Kennedy has / is giving Disney a crash course in this.
They may not earn their investment back on purchasing Star Wars. Think about that for a minute. If I told you five years ago a movie studio got the rights to Star Wars and couldn’t even make back their investment in 5 years you’d look at me like a lunatic. But so far their profits seem to be in the 1.5-2.5 billion from it and we’re 3 years out. And the movie franchise looks stalled.
Get Woke, Go Broke indeed.
Ms. Kennedy was in the back of my mind when I extrapolated to the entertainment business, in general. I calculated the profits on my end. I came up with about $2.8 bn in profits to date. And, so far, a loss on Solo. And that loss is going to do a number on the franchise’s resale value. If I were a Disney shareholder, I’d be demanding Kennedy’s or Iger’s head on a silver platter.
I really enjoyed the original trilogy. Although the next three couldn’t compare to the original trilogy, I thought they were decent movies on their own.
I can’t make it through the new ones since Disney bought them. I’m a Star Wars fan, at least one is free on Netflix, and I still can’t watch them. They’re utter garbage and that’s not even being compared to the originals, just on their own. My kids are never going to watch them. If Disney lost someone like me, they fucked up bad.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
TLJ was an abomination by any standard, Star Wars or otherwise.
I have no idea what you are talking about. They haven’t made a Star Wars movie since 1983.
The largest shareholders are probably public employee pension funds like callers/calsters. They’re the ones pushing the sjw shit. And the taxpayers are forced to bail the out if Disney et al drop like a rock.
I hadn’t clicked it yet; I thought it was going to bethis one.
Funny thing is, I didn’t disagree with a bit of what the villain said.
I was thinking the same thing.
“You either die A hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
Barbara sounds hot.
To Gbob’s terror, I’m guessing you can find her twitter and commence the cyber stalking.
….I would never do such a thing….
I sure as hell think so. Plus she has the chest that would probably by Q approved. So stay away, you son of a bitch!
Pics?
Barbara?
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_aE0ufiaPrI/Vy62_s5n89I/AAAAAAAABOA/kqGYi-A5iCUKMCS8apeVOFzNJ99am3vCgCLcB/s1600/Power_Girl_01.jpg
I do think that this should be her mascot for the podcast.
That’s not Powergirl. That’s Silicongirl.
I was a fan of thicc Power Girl from one of the earlier Thicc Thursdays.
This one?
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8649/16158199389_07772e09ff_b.jpg
She’s up there, but my fave was this chick. She’s like equal parts, “Hey…” and “Aww…”
If we ever get enough listeners to warrant a live show, I warned her she’ll have to go dressed based of listener’s vote. Have a feeling that PG would be in the mix there somewhere. Of Dagger.
Can I vote Spider-Girl (the real, May Parker one, not the sassy Latina)?
If she’s got the assets to pull it off it’s practically a felony for her not to.
Not even Gavin Harrison can bring jazz back. One could say his efforts are (removes sunglasses) futile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaQnGId0Ei4
Thank you for reminding me I need to take my son to see the neckbeard shop downtown.
It’s like going to the zoo.
He described Kennedy as a libertarian.
Maybe he meant to say librarian.
OT: Don’t know if this is trending or not since I don’t really understand the twatters, but here you go:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/06/28/no-policy-just-hostility-walkaway-proves-democrats-are-in-serious-trouble-and-its-glorious/
#WalkAway? Shouldn’t Lord Humungous be posting about this?
Or Joe Walsh, at any rate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_4iQDYDVNo
Felt the link was needed.
I would have suggested this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QmneugiD7Ig
Too delicious. I’m skeptical.
Smooth Jazz was a style designed to theoretically merge the sophistication of jazz with the accessibility of pop; in practice, they got it mostly backwards.
Acoustic Alchemy was (they’re just another band since Nick Webb died) one of the exceptions in the Smooth Jazz field; here’s one of their best pieces.
Also this.
I overstated a bit about Nick Webb; that album and AArt were also good, but after those two, the next two that followed just did nothing for me. I haven’t checked in since to see if they got their mojo back.
For something more far out, I was going to link Amon Tobin‘s album Bricolage, but for some reason, that’s been scrubbed from the internet.
Here’s a track: Chomp Samba
Speaking of band linchpins dying.
I have a cousin who is a professional comic book artist. She does stuff for Image and DC as well as an indie label the name of which escapes me. She’s well-regarded in the scene–for good reason, she’s very talented, and I’m not just saying that because we’re family–and I believe she’s been nominated for an Eisner, but I’m not sure. Unfortunately, between our political and geographical differences (she moved to BC with her husband, also an artist) we don’t talk very often. She moved up there from Seattle rather than him coming down for a number of reasons, not the least of which was that by becoming a Canadian citizen she became eligible for an artist’s stipend. Even with that and a pretty successful career, she’s not exactly rolling in it.
I’m kind of familiar with the horror fiction scene, and as any writer can tell you, you don’t get into that line of work to become a millionaire. But shit, even compared to that line of work, she’s struggling. Apparently in comic book terms she’s kind of in the middle of the field but an up-and-comer, and she’d do better at that level of success writing horror fiction. And that’s scary.
Internet is a big factor in comics. Indy artists can get a decent following on line and actually make money.
I was never a comics guy, but I read some online, this is my go too:
http://archives.erfworld.com/Book%201/1
to not too
OT: Tingles loses it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuqzfzM3jpY
He’s angry.
Wasn’t Kagan confirmed before the mid-terms under Obama?
Tingles is gonna be Strokey soon.
Jesus. Goldstein was at least measured and rational.
Yup. Nominated in May, 2010, confirmed that summer.
Delicious.
I’m sure that SJW posturing is off-putting just like it is in every other media, but I think the impact of that is probably marginal compared to another factor you mentioned, the vidya games (also right up there – the youtubes). I also think that calling the competition with video games an “attention span” issue gets it exactly backward – it’s a value issue. A $30 video game can keep me, I mean keep a random kid, entertained for 50-100 hours. A $5 comic book offers about 10 minutes of entertainment value. Every once in a blue moon I will eyeball the comic section in a bookstore, and I always walk away thinking that no kid could afford this hobby.
Comic books is like whittling – it’s a pastime of a bygone era.
Good post, very enjoyable read.
That’s true. But, let’s not kid ourselves. The SJW element plays into the relative success of video games. I’m picking up a video game and it isn’t lecturing me about what an awful person I am (even if I’m playing a genuinely awful person). At this point, lecturing their audience about middle class heterosexual manhood (which represents 75%-80% of the audience) is the core of all that is evil in the world seems the point most comic books are aiming for.
I think my next video game will be GTA5.
I’m generally not a big fan of FPS (equivalent) games, but Rockstar’s two fingers in the air to the SJW crowd should be rewarded.
GTA5 is great. Nothing like throwing grenades at the ambulance coming to collect the people you just ran over.
Meh, I dislike the disassociation between sandboxy mayhem and story mode of “you are a terrible person for liking this violent game we made, and we are now going to pontificate about it, oops, now we need you murder 50 people with your dong out wearing clown shoes because RITING”.
Get Saint’s Row for true “fuck all y’all experience”!
3 words: boob size slider
*perks up*
I agree that you could make video games a LOT less attractive by going down that road, and also that they’ve avoided that mistake so far.
That’s also the lens through which I view “GamerGate”, both now and at the time it was actually playing out. Yeah, there was dumb shit on all sides and plenty of attempts to hijack the conversation, but the core of it was a bunch of people seeing that the SJW’s were doing their best to come in and shit up their hobby — and they were right.
Having acknowledged that the comics industry have probably accelerated their own demise, I personally think they wouldn’t really be much better off today even if they hadn’t made those mistakes.
robc above makes an interesting point about internet comics that I hadn’t considered. I would think those would be extremely difficult to monetize, but I’m aware of at least one (Penny Arcade) that is wildly successful and I’m guessing pretty lucrative. An outlier I’m sure, but still an interesting angle on the story.
The comic I linked to makes $3247.86 per update, which was going at 2 per week before the authors wife was diagnosed with cancer. Now it is averaging slightly less than 1 per week. There were book sales and other stuff sold (and the site eliminated ads via mining cryptocurrency).
That doesn’t sound bad at all. Not “filthy rich” wages but not “living out of an appliance box” either. I’m guessing the overhead costs would be pretty minimal.
Interesting.
He is the writer, he pays artists and some web people out of that.
Ah, I incorrectly assumed it was a one-man operation. My bad.
Also an excellent point. My kids will entertain themselves with YouTube videos and memes all night, for the low cost of $0. There’s also plenty to read on the Internet for free.
Yep. I’m sure I’m not unique in this regard, but my college-aid daughter and her friends watch YouTube shows the way we used to watch TV. Not to go down a whole ‘nuther rabbit hole, but THAT industry transformation has been just fascinating to see.
Comic publishers really need to switch over to the Netflix model. I’d pay $20 a month to enable my entire family to consume all-you-can-eat on a tablet from all the publishers I care about. I’d probably pay a bit more to get access to the back catalog.
Also, all the value is in the IP. The publishers should be throwing everything against the wall in an effort to sift through the dross and find good stories. The funny books should be where talent and story ideas go through the crucible, and the great ones get turned into movies and AAA video games.
Leap, I’ve had the same thought about the Netflix model. I came across some outfit that was doing something like that on Kindle a few years ago (X-comics, or something like that?), but the comic reading experience on the Kindle at the time was pretty lousy — you had to click on individual frames of the page to enlarge them enough to see them, and then zoom back out to the full page, over and over and over. Extremely clunky. That was quite a few years ago, I would hope they’ve improved since then.
Marvel and comixology both have a Netflix style service and are terrible about promoting them
Comixology is the one I was thinking of, thanks WI.
Marvel Unlimited is $80ish a year if you don’t care for swag, and it gives you a crapton of old Marvel stuff, plus all the new Marvel comics that are 6 months old or older. There’s the entire run of Amazing Spider-Man and Clermont’s X-Men in there, plus more.
Comixology has a similar Unlimited program, but I’m not sure what’s in it. There were some rumours that DC is gonna get into the game with it, but nothing so far.
If you have a tablet, I like both apps, Marvel one is a bit wonkier and crash prone, but you can zoom, or read one panel at a time, there’s bookmarks and ‘next issue’ items.
80/year doesn’t sound bad.
Obviously, you’d also need a $1500 big-screen ipad to get the full experience, but hey, price of doing business.
Works perfectly fine on my half-a-decade old Ipad 2, which I think is 9″. of course, bigger screen would probably give a better experience.
Web interface is OK, too, but flipping pages with a finger while holding it in my lap just feels right…
Yes, the price is an issue. When I got to the comic shop I very rarely peruse the new issues. Too little for too much. I just collect story arcs from 25 years ago that I never got to read in their entirety and sometimes pick up a graphic novel that contains a full story arc.
I think you’re right. The last comic anything I bought was the fifth book of the graphic novel version of The Walking Dead, and that was mostly because I’d read good things in a horror blog. I’ve got all the Sandman graphic novels, and a few random ones I found interesting, but that’s about it. The art doesn’t do enough for me to warrant paying for comic subscriptions or otherwise get involved in collecting as a hobby, and in terms of entertainment ROI, video games top the list on all fronts. Honestly, I’ve got games where I’m somewhere around $.50/hour at 100 hours, others that are even better. And they’re not passive entertainment.
But the SJ thing is a consideration, too. I don’t play games that lecture me or promote a particular point of view because not only is it tedious and insulting but often it results in a crappy game. When a game (or a story, or a work of art) becomes simply a medium to transmit a political or cultural agenda, the quality suffers. It becomes simple propaganda. And especially where the creators are calling me out for holding certain beliefs or being a member of a particular demographic they immediately lose my interest.
In doing research for my WIP, I read quotes by the great jazz masters of the 20s who made Kansas City their home. They played to jam and they would do it 24/7 if they could (snort a little coke to keep going), so I agree with Yusuf that it’s for the musicians (or at least, it started out that way).
I write for myself also, but I think I’m running to the end of my well because now it just feels like a job I’m doing for free.
My girl reads the YA stuff. Much of the dystopian stuff centers around a teenage girl who seems normal (i.e., not Diana Prince) who ends up accomplishing feats of derring-do. It’s a hero’s journey. Many teenage girls and grown women want to discover in themselves a bad-ass. When the heroine is presented as having no special powers except sheer determination and courage, it *seems* like there is some hope that with hard work and gumption, she can become the bad-ass she wants to be. (See: Beatrix Kiddo, whom my girl went as for Halloween.) Now, when I was a teenager, I read bodice rippers to get that because the stories were heroine-centric and the heroine went on grand adventures and did bad-ass things for their time period. (I was so young I had no clue what was going on in the sex scenes anyway.) Lastly, as for grown women, you know, you just get tired of the grind and want to escape. The grind of all the hours and days and weeks between being normal and being able to accomplish great feats of derring-do is not sexy. /gospel according to Mojeaux
“Bodice rippers”, there’s an expression I haven’t heard in a while!
OT: heard someone float Judge Jeanine for SCOTUS. She would check of a couple identity politik items, but idk much about her actual views.
She’s alright, a little neo-conny for my taste. It would be mostly a little extra “fuck you” to the prog-elites since she’s a Faux News hack in their eyes.
I guess it would be interesting to see the SC ruling declaring that we’re legally obligated to create and maintain peaceful democratic governments in the middle east.
It would be mostly a little extra “fuck you” to the prog-elite
Isn’t that what it’s all about?
Judge Jeanine
i have no idea who that is. is that a TV person?
isn’t there usually at least some demand for someone who has basic background in constitutional-scholarship/legal review?
iow, just as lots of lawyers can’t answer many legal questions because ‘its not their kind of law’, judges aren’t qualified to address constitutional issues if they’ve spent their career dealing w/ misdemeanor enforcement or divorce courts or whatever
Back in the early aughts I read an online comic called Bill and Erik, it was my homepage so I’d see the new strip every time it was uploaded.
Following Q’s twitchy link led me to this.
I finally got around to this week’s podcast episode, thanks for the shoutout and awesome work as usual!
Barbara laughing at Joker’s retarded plans was great. As was the personalized song at the end, thank you both very much.
Yeah, I’m not sure if there’s much hope for monthly comic book, other than keeping it in print as IP farm. Digital might help, but digital lacks the “ooh, this thing next to thing I’m picking up looks cool, let me flip through it” effect. It also further atomizes the reader base.
I mentioned I have weird-ish perspective on American comics, since I came to them as an adult. I knew about Spider-man, Batman and Superman as a kid, but those were not widely distributed or read. Asterix, Phantom, Judge Dredd, some Italian and sundry French stuff was what I grew up on. So when I picked up Spiderman Essentials Volume 1 on a lark, I was shocked just how good the writing and the art was (it helps that I grew up on B&W comics, and Essential lines isn’t colored, so you can actually see how good Ditko’s and Romita’s work was). Modern stuff is just… you really have to search for good stuff in dross. Too many people who grew up reading comics, instead of reading various genres.
I can even somewhat emphatize with “we need more women in comics” lot, it’s worth trying to expand your reader base, but ffs, don’t do it so ham-handedly. And even if they didn’t go woke, reading some 2000s stuff on Marvel Unlimited made me completely unsympathetic to the ostensible “heroes” of the setting. Moore’s Watchmen are literally better people (Ozzy and The Comedian included) than Avengers and X-Men of Civil War/Secret Wars/A vs X.
The best idea Marvel had was Archie-style digests of older Avengers or Spider-man stories, to be sold in general retail. You get 100ish pages of pretty good stuff, at a reasonable price ($10, I wish it was cheaper) and the characters you recognize from the movies. Really, that shit should have been shipped to theatres when MCU started. Now might be too late.
On the topic of music, I know dick all about jazz, but at least it’s still being made by people who (presumably) like the genre.
I’m a classical music fan, and my choices for new pieces are movie/video game soundtracks, or compositions by people who hate classical music and want to revenge themselves on it.
I’d like to blame Stravinsky, but it’s probably general post-WW1 “European civilization is terrible, let’s burn it to the ground” malaise.
Definitely. There are very few pieces written after WWI that I can listen to. Meanwhile, I have hundreds of CD’s of 17th-19th century compositions.
I love Classical, and listen all the time, But so many good types of music out there, it’s a good thing
J.C. Bach!
“J. C. Bach” ?
“Forget it, he’s rolling”
HEY YUFUS!
You still have Yanni and John Tesh.
I think that’s just a symptom of decline, not a cause.
i have a similar theory about the ‘polarization of media’;
iow, that the reason Fox went hard to the right, and everyone else has gone rushing to the left, starting in the mid-late 1990s, is because of these numbers.
The main reason they didn’t do it sooner was mainly because the cold-war was a hugely unifying meta-narrative. the end of that, and competition from cable (then internet), suddenly forced people into a desperate need to differentiate, and the main point of differentiation was to cater to well-understood political biases.
Existential Comics
Nice. The Existential Comics guy drives me nuts. I can’t tell if it’s an elaborate troll or he’s just one of those people who just start off with a faulty premise and can never quite work their way out of it.
Not quite the same kind of comics, but Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal makes me laugh out loud more often than anything else (maybe this site excluded).
The guy’s name is Weinersmith? That alone is worth going to the site.
I picture a guy at a Renaissance fair fashioning dildoes out of hot iron on an anvil.
He also sells monocles! Though almost certainly not One Of Us. But sometimes, I wonder…
Interesting point, how many “kids” grew up reading web comics?
I mean, Penny Arcade started as two guys drawing shit while working low-paid jobs out of high school, and now runs a huge charity, has four games with its name, and the largest game con in North America (plus two subsidiary ones, and one in goddamn Australia).
Uh oh. This is just on the other side of town from me, over by my MIL.
I know nothing about this yet I can say with absolute certainty that it’s Trump’s fault and can only be fixed with common sense gun confiscation.
In typical fashion, the way it’s being reported this could be anything from a disgruntled employee to a gunfight on the street that had nothing to do with the newspaper.
This BETTER NOT fuck up the Kennedy meltdown festival. I was planning to ride that shit for at least one more day.
Authorities appear to be standing around in an official capacity, in the police version of everyone looking at the distributor cap and muttering knowledgeably.
Local news, but it looks like they finally have a suspect for the evil midnight bomber (what bombs at midnight).
http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-pol-police-activity-brick-tavern-road-milford-township-20180628-story.html
Consolidated Chemical & Solvents
That’s a comic-book location if I’ve ever heard one.
OMG. Nice art project by a 10 year old for their “evidence board”
http://www.wfmz.com/news/southeastern-pa/watch-live-da-announces-charges-in-case-of-explosions-in-bucks-county/760315420
Ahh… The ever popular zoning dispute. These often end in violence either state or citizen. They’re at the nexus of the fundamental conflict “my home is my castle”, “there ought to be a law” and “you will obey”.
::plays free jazz flute – naked::
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgKTKmYiZqw
She’s got a vagina! She’s brown! Thinking of Karl Marx makes a mess in her panties! She’s the Great Democrat Hope!
https://www.thenation.com/article/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wins-democratic-socialist-21st-century-vision/
I think communist publications based in communist enclaves vastly overestimate the appeal of communists outside of said enclaves.
Yes, 57% of the votes of the 13% who turned out is a mandate!
Great Moments in Legal History
Genius.
so the legislature can just pass a law saying, “every state resident (*excepting elected officials) must speak Ancient Etruscan”, and then arrest everyone who can’t translate this.
It is hard enough to translate without them writing backwards. Geez.
As for the law I will say again – Once you are off the rails it doesnt matter how far afield you go, you are just off the rails.
“”them writing backwards.”‘
The Etruscans, it is said, were 100% Left Handed and severely dyslexic, to a person.
We need Congress to pass a law stating that all official government business can only be conducted while the government representatives are levitating, and then arrest anyone who doesn’t comply.
First comic: Literally a ‘what have you done for me lately’. I dont think it comes off like they wanted it to.
Tom King’s Vision comic had a perfect reply to that.
High school principal is giving Vision shit about wanting his robo-children to be students. To which Vision replies
“47.”
“Huh?”
“47 is the number of times I saved the world, alone or as a part of a team. So before you refuse my request, consider the fact that you every breath you take is in part due to me – 47 times over.”
Yeah, whatever. I asked what have you done for me today?
RIP Harlan Ellison Bonus: Pay the Writer
Darn it!
Great bonus! Thanks
Aw, man. Another loss for the sci-fi community.
Am I the only one here who never read comic books at all? Just wasn’t my thing. I loved comic strip compilation books like The Far Side and Calvin and Hobbes, but that was the closest I got to comic books.
Really, I didn’t read much fiction of any kind. Even as a young child I was a history nerd. 90% of what I read back then were either about history or sports.
I was wondering about that myself, I was never into comic books either. Big fan of a few comic strips, e.g. The Far Side, but that’s a totally different genre.
Not unusual at all, most of the girls I knew at that age weren’t into comic books.
They weren’t a big part of my childhood – a passing interest, but never spent all that much time on them.
As a kid. Sgt Rock and Haunted tank
early adult.. 2000 ad robo-hunter and a b c warriors
Hard to find, cost per use and other media is why I don’t imbibe anymore
You can get nice collections of a lot of the 2000AD books via amazon, etc.
Not really a music snob – I like to mix and match and find what I like here and there. It’s always interesting seeing old styles or mixes picked up by newer folks – whether it’s the Euro Electro-Swing revival or watching Japanese folks play big band music while dressed in kimonos. There’s a lot of great stuff out there, but much of it hasn’t migrated stateside as conveniently – although itunes is getting better for import stuff lately.
As far as comics, not much more to say on the subject currently – I do like the new Marvel Digests (although I’ve only found them in the checkout line a couple times so far). Probably gonna cut back on new floppy issues soon and get back to collections/tpbs soon. My local place is having a 20% sale off everything next week so I’m looking at an Elric (reprint) hardcover collection, some other Euro titles, maybe some new manga, and a few others I’ve been holding off on for a while.
Got a few ideas for writing that have been twisting in the wind for a while lately – particularly since even some of the talented writers like Millar, etc have so little common sense knowledge about military stuff, etc that it just hurts sometimes – and there’re a lot of stories based on the last 20 years that could be told – obliquely or otherwise – or characters based on the conflicts, etc. And I have some crazy, far out universe building I’m years overdue developing.
But hey, Diversity and Comics does have Chuck “Punisher” Dixon lined up to write an origin book for one of his characters – so that’s pretty cool.
Very nice post, glob. Not my scene, but I like a thoughtful look at these niches.
Nice post gbob. Wish I had gotren here earlier while the comments were active.