Wednesday Afternoon Links

The Great “Just Shit in the Potty” fight with the two year old has been joined today. He won the first round, but I’ll get him by the end of the weekend. I don’t understand why shit in a diaper is no problem for me, but shit running out of underwear challenges my gag reflex. IIRC, that passes in about 3 days. Oh well, in six weeks, we’ll be more or less done buying diapers. For at least a year. Mrs. L and I are still negotiating whether we need an odd number of odd children.

And so Trump caved to the pressure, because he is nothing more than a weathervane. Signs executive order ending family separation. The GOP must be sighing with relief that they don’t actually have to do anything about AND don’t have to spend the July campaign recess discussing it.

Here’s a quiet little bombshell — IG admits to House oversight that it appears some FBI witness interview forms may have been edited after the fact. Do the FBI realize quite how hard they’ve fucked themselves if they can no longer bully juries into taking their interview notes as the only record of an interview? Absolutely fucked. Which is great!

This is a ballsy fucking scam, even for Florida Man.

England fans continue to prove that Churchill was about the only thing that stood between them and enthusiastic Nazism.

 

I went down the rabbit hole chasing videos, and came up with this.

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461 responses to “Wednesday Afternoon Links”

    1. RTÉ documentary on the subject.

      You can stream it or download an MP3.

    2. Suthenboy

      I have it on good authority from a certain writer at TOS that only widows and doe-eyed orphans leave the middle east.

    3. JaimeRoberto

      They must have learned about slavery from the US.

    4. Warty

      Many such cases!

  1. Count Potato

    Were there ever any notes from the FBI’s interview with HRC? As far as I know, it was never recorded.

    1. The Other Kevin

      There were notes. They were prepared 6 weeks prior to the interview.

    2. Brochettaward

      There were notes. Notes which played no part in Comey’s decision which was made well before the interview took place and which he didn’t even read or familiarize himself with (this is not a joke or an assumption – he basically stated as much before Congress) before finalizing his decision.

      And I’d just remind people that we have FBI agents talking about Clinton people they interviewed lying their ass off to them. No charges.
      FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe he was lying. Charges.

  2. Mad Scientist

    God damn, the FBI is apparently completely corrupt.

    1. Suthenboy

      That has been true for a long time.

      1. Mad Scientist

        Yes, but I had hopes it wasn’t this incredibly bad. Now I fear it’s likely even worse.

        1. Waterfall Insurance

          I think it has always been this way, Hoover etc but it usually took longer to become public, but they don’t need to hide it as much anymore.

        2. grrizzly

          For a long time I believed that the ruling class was spying on Trump and his campaign using the NSA data. And they obviously did until they were shut down in April 2016. But the ruling class authorized a full-scale counter-intelligence operation with multiple agents/assets, a joint force of the FBI and the CIA (of course not to prevent 9/11 but to stop Trump), a joint operation with the British intelligence, fabricating “evidence of collusion” with a foreign power. That’s way more than I thought. The last time I noticed that my government was acting like this… I actually emigrated.

          1. Mad Scientist

            That’s a eye-opening perspective. Any suggestions on where we can all emigrate to?

          2. Brett L

            I hear Nicaragua is only a bloody coup away from Libertopia.

          3. Hyperion

            Free orphans everywhere, even better than Somalia. I’m just waiting for my social security to kick fully in so that I can afford enough orphans for the long haul.

          4. grrizzly

            Nowhere. Perhaps, double the dose of Soma.

          5. Gustave Lytton

            Speaking generally, parallel construction is absolute BS. Start with a goal and work backwards when you wouldn’t have that known goal nor confirmation of your “independent” parallel construction without illegality.

          6. Brochettaward

            I always considered it worse than that. Don’t they actually fabricate and make shit up? Like, we didn’t get this information from unconstitutional data collection! We had an informant! What, you want to know who it was? It’s too dangerous to name them!

    2. Waterfall Insurance

      Nothing is ever going to come of any of this. They will drag it out beyond most peoples attention span and throw a few nobodies under the bus. People either just do not care about this at all or think the laws are too racist and sexist to follow.

      1. Brett L

        I would certainly have my lawyer bring it up in Federal court if I had been foolish enough not to demand the interview be recorded.

  3. This is a ballsy fucking scam, even for Florida Man.

    This is why you never invest in a time-share.

    1. The Other Kevin

      They were taking the term “time share” literally. Each family had the house for 2 hours per day.

    2. Bobarian LMD

      Sounds like they were trying to share a lot of time.

    3. The Last American Hero

      It sounds like the premise for a reality TV show or an adult film.

  4. Negroni Please

    What’s this I hear about Canada legalizing weed? Will all those proggie douchebags that promised to move to Canada finally do it?

    1. Hyperion

      “Will all those proggie douchebags that promised to move to Canada finally do it?”

      No. They wouldn’t move there when we elected Hitler as president. You think they will because of some herb? Anyway, they have to get sponsored and they won’t work.

      1. Brochettaward

        A lot of them would never get in legally.

        1. Nephilium

          So they need to have kids and bring them along to get in?

          1. Hyperion

            That only works in Eurotardia and the USA, apparently.

  5. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Good.

    The sooner the FBI practice of not recording interviews ends, the better.

    1. Bobarian LMD

      I’d vote for abolishing the FBI practice of conducting interviews.

      1. Brett L

        My favorite contributing editor to TOS, 2Chili advocated the abolition of the FBI entirely. Works for me.

        1. Bobarian LMD

          Small steps. We have to work our way up to it.

        2. Chipwooder

          There is no need for any national police force, so yeah, two thumbs up from me.

          1. The Last American Hero

            I disagree. Criminals don’t always respect state/county lines, and local forces often don’t have the resources to go after bad dudes operating from across the country, or from well financed organized crime that has been shown to be able to control local judges and cops. But the problem is they spend too much time exceeding their mandate.

          2. creech

            Wasn’t there something during 9/11 about a gang of FBI agents surveilling a whore house in New Orleans, causing them to not have man power to run down all the tips about ME dudes learning how to fly, but not land, airliners?

          3. Rasilio

            You know we could always just restrict them to an investigatory body with no arresting or charging powers. They can only invesitgate a case and present it to a local police force for use

          4. westernsloper

            Late reader: Name one crime the FBI investigates that could not be handled by one of the other alphabet agency’s, DEA, ATF, DHS, SS, Marshals…. They are redundant as well as corrupt and need to be de-funded ASAP and told to fuck right off. I want to see a freedom caucus sponsored bill withholding all funds for the FBI and DOJ due to their negligence and corruption. The fact that prosecutors like Mueller and Weissman can move up through the DOJ for years is proof they are corrupt, incompetent, and have no regard for citizens constitutional rights. Close the doors.

  6. Count Potato

    I’m reading the executive order now.

    “It is also the policy of this Administration to maintain family unity, including by detaining alien families together where appropriate and consistent with law and available resources.”

    I don’t think it’s consistent with law to keep children with a parent, or the parents together, after a parent has been arrested. I also don’t think there are many resources available to keep families together. Jails are segregated, and for good reason. If both parents are arrested, the father goes to a men’s facility, the mother goes to a women’s facility, and the children are placed elsewhere.

    1. Count Potato

      “(iii) has a legal parent-child relationship to an alien who entered the United States with the alien child at or between designated ports of entry and who was detained.”

      So that wouldn’t cover children brought in by other relatives or coyotes.

    2. Suthenboy

      “detaining alien families together where appropriate and consistent with law and available resources.”

      In other words the same thing they are doing now but likely taking the wind out of the Dem’s sails.

      1. B.P.

        Someone will come up with a tape of a child crying, the media will roll it nonstop, and then we’re back to frenzy mode. The Dems think they have their election issue here.

    3. Count Potato

      “(b) The Secretary shall not, however, detain an alien family together when there is a concern that detention of an alien child with the child’s alien parent would pose a risk to the child’s welfare.”

      You could drive a truck through that.

    4. Hyperion

      “It is also the policy of this Administration to maintain family unity, including by detaining alien families together where appropriate and consistent with law and available resources.”

      The other thing is, that might require that they check to make sure the children are actually with parents and not a smuggler. This is really just a token gesture that I’m sure the administration hope will let the modern Americans week long attention span move on.

      1. The Last American Hero

        So DNA test or Solomon Old Testament style?

  7. Brochettaward

    This was posted earlier, but I want to highlight it not to show that Obama did it, too, but to show what sort of a mess Obama’s immigration policies created:

    Department of Health and Human Services’ (HHS) Administration for Children and Families spokesperson Kenneth Wolfe told Newsweek on Wednesday that it had as many as 10,852 undocumented children in its custody—a significant jump from the 8,886 that were in the agency’s custody on April 29, according to the Washington Post. spokesman for HHS’s Administration for Children and Families told

    In fiscal year 2013, under the Barack Obama administration, the HHS Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) had as many as 25,000 unaccompanied children in its care across 80 shelters, according to a July 2014 article in Mother Jones.

    People want to forget the stories about thousands of Central Americans, many unaccompanied minors, flooding the border in the second term of Obama. That was created by catch and release and the bullshit middle ground path that Democrats took on immigration. They had the power to change things legislatively, but chose not to. Then when the GOP got in power, they decided that was the time to start crowing about immigration (even though through the ’90’s and into the Bush era, they remained publicly hawkish). Not until the Obama second term did they start to give a damn and start to adopt a different language. It became a nice wedge issue for them. Much like with, say, gay marriage, they could simply frame themselves as being less opposed than their opponent and play off their support in the media to pain themselves as the good guys to a voting bloc while doing jack shit to actually help. Unlike gay marriage, the polls aren’t turning on the issue.

    What you won’t see much discussed in mainstream media are the constant horror stories produced by this process of smuggling people across the border. What was happening under Obama was inhumane for the people involved. And a lot more people were involved.

    1. Rufus the Monocled

      But Maddow and Mica didn’t cry.

      1. Chipwooder

        Maddow didn’t actually cry this time, either, just made a big show of attempting to cry.

        1. Drake

          It looked like a mix of hiding laughter and serious constipation.

    2. Mustang

      I was at a place they were thinking about setting up camps for these kids. I don’t mean sunshine day camp, I mean honest-to-God fenced, guarded camps, all under the previous administration. I knew it was fucked up then and said as much, but the fact that I wasn’t hearing an angry peep about it anywhere else was infuriating.

      1. If concentrating our children into camps where only reaponsuble, government-approved adults look after them could save the life of even one child, don’t we have an obligation to try?

        1. Grumbletarian

          When did we shift to talking about the public school system?

    3. SoberPhobic

      “unaccompanied minors” 17-20 yos? 5yos? everytime i read or hear this, i gotta wonder—What sort of asshat sends their child alone across a border.
      Upon further reflection, it is in fact the media, in their infinite wisdom, that leaves out the coyote.
      Neither of these reflect well on the parents.

  8. kinnath

    Thank you for that video. Awesome. She can come live with me any time. 😉

  9. The Late P Brooks

    Here’s a quiet little bombshell — IG admits to House oversight that it appears some FBI witness interview forms may have been edited after the fact. Do the FBI realize quite how hard they’ve fucked themselves if they can no longer bully juries into taking their interview notes as the only record of an interview? Absolutely fucked. Which is great!

    Next you’ll tell me they can’t execute interviewees anymore.

    Wasn’t there something about a Boston marathon bomber witness dying inexplicably as he was being “interviewed”?

    1. Brochettaward

      I’m still curious as to what the basis is for not having their interviews recorded. I mean, I know why the FBI wants it. But what sort of rationale do they use to publicly justify it?

      1. Bobarian LMD

        FYTW?

      2. Scruffy Nerfherder

        It’s a holdover from Hoover IIRC

        Should have been gone a long long time ago.

      3. Mad Scientist

        This is a proven, reliable method the FBI has been implementing for decades. Trust us.

      4. Gustave Lytton

        So they can fuck any interviewee after the fact with ‘lying to a federal agent’. The only crime should be lying by a federal agent.

      5. Scruffy Nerfherder

        Silverglate’s take on it. It’s basically a compulsion technique to enforce witness conformity.

        Section 1001—the so-called federal false statements law —provides that it is a felony, punishable by up to five years in prison, to make a material misstatement to any member of the federal government. As such, one of the more ubiquitous counts found in federal indictments is that the defendant, when questioned by an FBI agent, lied. We also know that it is illegal for a person to lie under oath; typically such testimony occurs before a grand jury or court (or congressional committee); we call that perjury, punishable by a separate federal statute.

        So what happens when the sole arbiter of what a witness says in an FBI interview is the 302 Report written by an FBI agent? If that witness should later be compelled to testify at a grand jury proceeding (leading to an indictment of the target of the investigation) or at the trial itself, he is under tremendous pressure to testify consistently with what the 302 report claims he told the agents when interviewed. Should a witness give testimony that is in conflict with the 302 report, he opens himself up to a felony conviction –either he had lied to the FBI in his initial interview, or he is lying to the grand jury or the court (or the congressional committee) in his testimony. Either way, he remains stuck between the Scylla of perjury and the Charybdis of a false-statements charge. Few question the veracity of the 302 report; after all, who will a jury more likely believe, a single witness or two upstanding FBI agents swearing that what they wrote in their 302 report accurately represents what the witness said when interviewed? When the feds suspect that a witness might tell a tale at the grand jury or at trial that is inconsistent with the prosecution’s favored factual scenario, the prosecutors will usually show him or his lawyer the 302 report. It becomes clear to the witness that he either must stick to the 302 version, or else risk a false statement or perjury charge when he testifies differently under oath.

        1. Brochettaward

          I mean, I’d think a video of the interview would accomplish the same thing. The compulsion comes from the threat of prosecution for lying. I still don’t see how that could be used as a public justification. I know law enforcement gets a long leash and a lot of people lack sense, but a recording/video accomplishes the same thing as the 302 if we are assuming that FBI agents are beyond reproach and would never lie about what they were told.

          Do they argue that a recording is somehow more ambiguous than the instincts and lived experiences of FBI agents documented via notes?

          1. Scruffy Nerfherder

            if we are assuming that FBI agents are beyond reproach and would never lie about what they were told

            I think that’s a very large assumption. If, as a witness, you disagree with what’s in the 302, you go to jail. That’s pretty much a free pass for the FBI to write whatever the hell they want.

          2. Brochettaward

            I understand that. You understand that. I’m not trying to be difficult, but the FBI wouldn’t justify the practice by stating it makes it easier for them to lie. It’s not about the actual reason, which is obvious. But the public argument that they use to justify their actions. That’s what I’ve never heard.

            And for people who defend the practice who aren’t part of the FBI, I don’t see how you can simultaneously argue that FBI agents are beyond reproach and that we can’t have their interviews being recorded.

            The only argument I’ve seen similar to this was someone who I know who became a cop opposing body cameras. He claimed it was because video easily distorts things. And then demanded that if we’re going to have them, police need to have access to them before they write reports.

          3. Scruffy Nerfherder

            Silverglate lists out their arguments:

            First, the presence of recording equipment may interfere with and undermine the successful rapport-building interviewing technique which the FBI practices. Second, FBI agents have successfully testified to custodial defendants’ statements for generations with only occasional, and rarely successful, challenges.

            There are 56 fields [sic] offices and over 400 resident agencies in the FBI. A requirement to record all custodial interviews throughout the agency would not only involve massive logistic and transcription support but would also create unnecessary obstacles to the admissibility of lawfully obtained statements, which through inadvertence or circumstances beyond control of the interviewing agents, could not be recorded.

            The last one is a real whopper

            [A]s all experienced investigators and prosecutors know, perfectly lawful and acceptable interviewing techniques do not always come across in recorded fashion to lay persons as proper means of obtaining information from defendants. Initial resistance may be interpreted as involuntariness and misleading a defendant as to the quality of the evidence against him may appear to be unfair deceit.

          4. Brochettaward

            You didn’t expect me to click the link, did you?

          5. Grumbletarian

            and misleading a defendant as to the quality of the evidence against him may appear to be unfair deceit.

            As opposed to fair deceit?

      6. Drake

        It would sound bad if they decided to shoot a guy during an interview (again).

    2. Chipwooder

      Yes. A friend of Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s was being interrogated by an FBI agent in his apartment when….

      Officials initially claimed that Todashev picked up a knife or attempted to grab a samurai sword from the wall, but later said that it was unclear whether this was the case; one source said it was “a knife or a pipe or something”. A number of later reports said that he was unarmed.[26][27][28][29] Some earlier accounts implied that the FBI agent was alone with Todashev at the time of the shooting.[27] Following Todashev’s death, his father showed photographs to reporters in Moscow that he said demonstrated his son had been shot at point-blank range in the head.[30] According to the account of an unnamed law enforcement official, Todashev knocked the interrogating agent to the ground with a table, and then lunged at him with a metal pole, or possibly a broomstick.[31] In this account there was one detective in the room (who did not fire) besides the FBI agent.[31] The agent sustained minor injuries requiring stitches.

      1. “A knife or a pipe or something”

        That’ll be those vaunted powers of observation investigators develop after years of training, I suppose.

      2. MikeS

        So he was armed with one of these:

        A knife
        A samurai sword
        A pipe
        Something
        A table
        A metal pole
        A broomstick

        Yes, the resemblance between all those items would make it quite difficult to be sure.

        1. Trolleric the Goth

          yeah but that “something” could be ANYTHING! and clearly, he was making a “furtive movement”

        2. B.P.

          “It was a highlighter, or a tuba, or something. Could’ve been a toaster. I didn’t get a really good look at it. We’re trained to react.”

  10. I figure those English fans were just with Tunisian fans, and nobody seems to have a problem when Muslims act like that.

    1. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Someone needs to take away grandpa’s internet access until he gets his Aricept prescription refilled.

      1. Fuck it, I’ll just say it: I don’t think Easy Rider was a good movie.

        1. The Last American Hero

          Was it better than Jaws?

        2. Bobarian LMD

          I thought Jack Nicholson was pretty good, but yeah.

          1. Chipwooder

            This. Jack was Jack, the rest of the movie was shit.

            Incidentally, I stumbled across another Jack Nicholson ’60s movie recently called Psych-Out which is rather hilarious – Jack as the frontman of a psychedelic band, Dean Stockwell as his hippie friend, Bruce Dern as a crazy hippie preacher.

        3. Gustave Lytton

          I said it in the last thread- he’ll forever be under the shadow of his dad and his daughter is a better actress.

        4. Enough About Palin

          They blew it, man.

        5. Mad Scientist

          Incorrect! It was a bad movie!

        6. B.P.

          I read some interviews with some townsfolk in a small town where Easy Rider was partially filmed. They said Peter Fonda was a completely arrogant asshole, talking on the phone about the hayseeds surrounding him, etc.

        7. Ulee’s Gold was good, though.

  11. The Late P Brooks

    where appropriate and consistent with law and available resources.

    All righty, then. Keep doing what you’ve been doing.

    1. kinnath

      The man is a master showman.

      1. Sean

        The man is a master showman.

        Taking the wind out of the media’s sails.

    2. Hyperion

      Teflon Don? He’s given em the slip? I’m shocked.

  12. The Late P Brooks

    I mean, I know why the FBI wants it. But what sort of rationale do they use to publicly justify it?

    “Honest? Honest as the day is long.”

  13. Count Potato

    “Washington Post staff are jealous of the free M&M’s and wasabi peas at The New York Times — and they want similar perks from Jeff Bezos

    More than 400 Washington Post employees sent an open letter to owner Jeff Bezos last week demanding that the Amazon CEO improve their pay and benefits.

    In the letter, they called for fair pay, benefits, and job security, decrying “shocking” current practices. But it’s not just the fundamentals unionized staff are campaigning over, they also have their eye on other perks — free snacks.”

    http://www.businessinsider.com/washington-post-staff-compare-new-york-times-perks-2018-6

    1. Hyperion

      I somehow relish in their despair and hopelessness. Am I a bad person?

      1. Waterfall Insurance

        No. I have no idea what their pay hours or job security is but it’s likely better than what I and many others have and we would gladly take it. I don’t need snacks or even non bathroom breaks, that can wait till I try for their bosses job.

      2. Spudalicious

        Nope. I firmly believe in karma and relish when people get what they deserve.

    2. Bobarian LMD

      He should offer them employment at an Amazon fulfillment center.

      At least they’d be doing something useful.

      Serving as packing material.

    3. Tonio

      He should give them the free snacks, and keep everything else the same. Maybe add some fruit sushi, for the lulz.

    4. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Jesus.

      I can only hope that Bezos’ lack of tolerance for fools outweighs his hate for Trump and he cans their useless asses.

      1. Hyperion

        Ask someone who’s worked for Amazon. They’re not going to work as hard as Bezos would have them. They probably better shut up before they lose their cushy jobs and wind up in a warehouse working for Amazon instead.

    5. Chipwooder

      Give them really shitty free snacks that no one wants, like candy corn.

      1. MikeS

        …and Necco Wafers

        1. slumbrew

          I… I like Necco Wafers.

          1. Waterfall Insurance

            What’s wrong with neco wafers?

          2. MikeS

            Their texture and taste?

          3. Spudalicious

            Complete. Lack. Of. Class.

          4. MikeS

            Bigly

          5. At least Tums stop heartburn, too.

          6. Gustave Lytton

            Someone else likes them too apparently.

          7. MikeS

            Necco’s sugar line products also include Sweethearts, Candy Buttons, Mary Jane, and Canada Mints. Its chocolate line produces Mighty Malts, Haviland Thin Mints, Clark Bars, and the Sky Bar.

            I’m thinking the wafers aren’t their biggest seller…

      2. This Machine

        Ooh, this is good. How about circus peanuts?

        1. Dude, any form of black licorice whatsoever.

          1. Unreconstructed

            How dare you sir! Black licorice is delicious.

          2. Count Potato

            RACIST!!

          3. Spudalicious

            Black licorice sucks. Unless’s it’s in Angostura bitters in my cocktail.

        2. MikeS

          Yeah, circus peanuts are weird.

          How about those tiny wax bottles with a small squirt of colored sugar water in them. I wonder if they still make them.

          1. SoberPhobic

            Good.. swedish fish
            Bad.. candy corn

          2. Nephilium

            Of course they still do. I live around the corner from one of the largest candy stores in the US, any terrible old nostalgic candy you want, I can find and subject you to. On the plus side, they also have a huge selection of craft pop.

          3. MikeS

            Do they have candy cigarettes? I would make it worth your while to send me a few if they do.

          4. Nephilium

            Yes, yes they do. In both the candy, and the bubblegum varieties.

            These days they may be controversial, but candy cigarettes are still our best-selling nostalgic candy! Candy cigarettes were first introduced in the early 20th century and have only gained popularity since then! However, many critics believe the candy desensitizes children, leading them to become smokers later in life. Because of this, the selling of candy cigarettes has been banned in several countries such as Finland, Norway, the Ireland, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. They are still easily available in the United States, though many manufacturers now call them sticks rather than cigarettes.

            As a kid, I preferred the bubblegum ones, cause you could blow out through the wrapper first, and it would send out a puff of “smoke”.

          5. MikeS

            Thanks for the link. I didn’t mean to enact your labor, but I’m on my phone and I hate intertting on it.

            Anyway, that place is gonna be getting some money from me for some ‘smokes’

          6. Nephilium

            Not a problem at all, it’s a fun store to go to. Think your average big box store, but filled with aisles of candy, and a huge bulk candy section. The most recent time I took the nephews there, they decided they had to get candy for their mom (it was close to Mother’s Day), so they decided on a lollipop with a scorpion inside. I gladly bought it and helped them present it to my sister.

          7. Nephilium

            Huh… I tried to reply here, must be in limbo. They still make them, if you search BA Sweeties, you can even order them online.

          8. Old Man With Candy

            I was in one of my favorite stores in Butte last week (Front Street Market)- they had a big box of stuff like that. I bought two sets of wax lips, which caused much eye-rolling on SP’s part. I was tempted by the wax bottles, but thought that they wouldn’t make as funny a picture of Francisco d’Anconia and me drunk.

          9. SoberPhobic
        3. Spudalicious

          Stale. They have to be stale.

          1. Old Man With Candy

            How can you tell if a Necco Wafer is stale? Aren’t they made that way?

          2. Spudalicious

            We’re talking Circus Peanuts grandpa.

          3. Nephilium

            I thought those were shipped from the factory already staled for consistency.

          4. Old Man With Candy

            That shit’s horrible. Staling could only be an improvement.

        4. Tres Cool

          Bugles are the most disgusting corn chip ever conceived.

          *SLD- unless you’re in an ‘altered mood’ and have a can of spray cheez to fill them like a little drunk cornucopia.

          1. MikeS

            I loved them when I was a kid. Now I can’t stand them.

            Same goes for Cool Ranch Doritos. Yeah, bring on the hate.

          2. Spudalicious

            Cool Ranch Doritos are an abomination.

      3. I was thinking Munchos.

        1. CPRM

          Don’t dare talk shit about munchos! Munchos and a chocolate milk while watching the original Adult Swim in 2001/2002….memories…

    6. whiz

      My wife used to be a print journalist before she became an elected official. She can attest to the fact that the newspaper business is getting squeezed and at the lower levels is not a way to make good money. Even at the upper levels (if you can call it that), I’m sure there is a lot of belt-tightening.

  14. Tonio

    Peak Derp?

    “This does not surprise me at all. Racists think that Latinx labor and their food are theirs for the exploiting.” -Random Facebook prog commenting on the harassment of Kristjen Nielsen by an uninvited mob as she dined at a Mexican restaurant in DC

    1. Brochettaward

      The site’s leading Derpetologist assures me that there is no peak derp. But I do believe there is a derpiest timeline. And we’re living in it.

    2. kinnath

      Peak Derp

      not actually possible

    3. Spudalicious

      This derp is going to backfire like all the previous derp has. I’ll just need to tune out the media more until it blows over.

  15. Count Potato

    “Burger King apologizes for offering Russian women free Whoppers for life if they get impregnated by World Cup players”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/soccer/ny-sports-burger-king-whoppers-women-20180620-story.html

    1. Bobarian LMD

      It takes two hand to handle a whopper…

      Ladies.

      1. …strange, I’m unfamiliar with her work.

      2. Warty

        Ah yes. I’ve enjoyed her for a while.

  16. Tundra

    Since it’s all Swamp, all the time, what’s your favorite swamp song?

    This one?

    Or maybe this one?

    Me? I kind of dig this one.

    1. Tres Cool

      David Byrne would like a word outside.

    2. Rope Snake

      Chameleons, of course

    1. Hyperion

      “Immigrant Children Are Being Sent to Shelters With Histories of Abuse”

      Histories of abuse? What history? This just started since Hitler became president! Lies!

      1. No, the abuse started under Hitler. He stopped the pony rides and got rid of the arcades.

  17. So, some good stuff comes out of the twitters. After I posted this: https://twitter.com/FishLikesFlicks/status/1006693805821779969 I got contacted by one of the editors at Statix Press. He sent me a couple pdfs of upcoming, unpublished books to preview. Really pretty cool – I’ll definitely be posting about them some more when they get a little closer to publication. Getting into these new Euro titles is definitely a nice break from most of the domestic stuff lately.

    1. Count Potato

      Congrats!

    2. Pan Zagloba

      One of the reasons I am big on superhero classics these days is that I grew on Euro comics (French did serious stuff, Italians schlocky supernatural and…Westerns?) so it’s a refreshing perspective. Looking at the stuff you linked reminds me of what I used to read!

      Asterix still remains a titan and best comic book of all time, of course.

      (Italy’s little know treasure called Allan Ford in close second).

      1. Yeah, I’m still picking up classic TPB collections for Marvel and some new DC titles, but mostly indies (again). Asterix is an old favorite, but I’ll need to buy some collections (like Tintin) – I’ve ready nearly all of them, but haven’t bought my own copies in years – and I don’t think I can get the classic oversized Tintin Books stateside any more – unless Ebay – they’ve revised the printing process for mini-tpbs.

        I’m picking up 3 weeks of titles tomorrow so I’ll have some more pics – but probably not a video for a while (hopefully still a movie review before the end of the month).

  18. Count Potato

    “SAN JOSE, California —
    Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office says two women, including a student-teacher, are accused of having sex with underage boys. Investigators say the self-described “sexual deviant” best friends were arrested Thursday.

    Talia Sisco and Tina Pourani are accused of having unlawful sexual intercourse with 15- and 16-year-old boys. Investigators believe there may be other victims in Santa Clara County and are asking people to come forward with information.

    Sisco was arrested at her home on multiple criminal charges, including oral copulation of a minor, multiple counts of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, and arranging a meeting with a minor to commit a sex offense.

    Pourani was arrested at her home in San Jose. She was also booked into the Santa Clara County Main Jail on charges of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor and oral copulation of a minor. Sexual assault investigators determined both suspects were 23 years old at the time of the sexual encounters, according to the sheriff’s office.”

    http://abc13.com/sexual-deviants-accused-of-sex-with-teens-sheriff-says/3606747/

    TW: autoplay

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/20/self-described-sexual-deviant-bffs-accused-of-sex-with-teens/

    1. Mad Scientist

      They keep referring to these poor teenage boys who are plowing their teachers as victims. Does ANYONE actually believe that?

      1. MikeS

        Their mothers.

      2. Chipwooder

        “And what happened next, Billy?”

        “And then she *sobs*…she….she blew me!” *breaking down into completely incoherent sobbing*

        1. Bobarian LMD

          “And then my Mom found out!”

      3. Creosote Achilles

        To speak for my 15-16 year old self. Would. Like the fist of an angry god. And then I’d have to get my mouth wired shut to keep from bragging about it and spoiling it.

      4. Bobarian LMD

        16 year old Bob would have considered it sexual abuse just to have those two as teachers.

        “Uh, no I will not go up to the board.”

        1. Scruffy Nerfherder

          Mr. Bob, why are you carrying your books like a schoolgirl?

        2. Bobarian LMD

          Definite wood.

          I’d have probably put out their eyes.

    2. slumbrew

      You forgot pix: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfwJOJCVAAA6jAs.jpg:large

      The one on the right – wood.

      1. Chipwooder

        Definitely. Nice caboose on that train.

        1. Mad Scientist

          All aboard! The 6:09 to Poundtown is now leaving the station!

          1. Gustave Lytton

            There’s a second section running on that one.

      2. MikeS

        The one on the left looks a tish too much like Shelley Duvall.

        But still would.

    3. Scruffy Nerfherder

      I was born in the wrong era

      1. Dr. Fronkensteen

        All of my female teachers were battle-axes.

        1. The Last American Hero

          That’s what happens after getting drilled by multiple teens every year for 30 years or so.

          1. Brochettaward

            I mean, that’s a lot of disappointment to have to endure day after day after day…

    4. Tonio

      Oral copulation… those poor boys.

    5. SoberPhobic

      They are an odd couple.
      would not

    6. Spudalicious

      Would and would.

  19. gbob

    Not sure if any glibs would be interested, but I just launched my podcast.

    For a first podcast, it turned out pretty good. Paying ten bucks for the theme song was the best damn money I ever spent. Now I just need to get the damn thing into iTunes.

    1. Waterfall Insurance

      I will give it a listen. Any glib podcast is worth at least checking out even if I don’t care about the subject.

      1. gbob

        This one started off with the theme
        Of female characters written by woman. As the pod goes on eventually I’ll slip in glib messages. If it catches on I’ll have the pull to get a STEVE SMITH comic written where he fights crime. And by fight crime I mean….

    2. Pan Zagloba

      Yes, iTunes please! Looking forward to this, especially now that I finished my re-list of History of Byzantium so need more stuff for the commute.

      1. gbob

        Although it’s not listen on iTunes yet, you can manually add it to your iTunes app. Just go to the library tab on mobile, hit edit and you can add podcast by url. Just put in the rss feed of http://pampowgal.libsyn.com/rss

        I’m not anywhere close to as good as History of Byzantium was. Hmm. I may need to give that series a re=listen.

        1. Pan Zagloba

          He’s still ongoing! But he did a trip to Istanbul so that slowed things down a bit. Totally worth it for episodes we got out of it.

          (If we are talking about Robin Pearson’s mellifluous voice, that is)

  20. Count Potato

    “The takedown of Chris Hardwick shows #MeToo has gone too far

    This was a hard-core reaction to an online essay published on Thursday by Hardwick’s ex-girlfriend, Chloe Dykstra. Without mentioning Hardwick by name, she detailed, in often cringe-worthy fashion, emotional and sexual abuse she claims to have suffered during a nearly three-year intimate relationship with the host of TV programs including “Talking Dead,’’ the aftershow that dissects AMC powerhouses “The Walking Dead’’ and “Fear the Walking Dead.”

    From the way Dykstra, 29, describes it, she was a ghost, the victim of sexual assault, mental torture and controlling behavior, forbidden from as much as talking to other men.

    Hardwick, for his part, denies completely engaging in abuse and attributes the wounded feelings to a long relationship gone awry. He put out a statement claiming that he was done with Dykstra after she was unfaithful. She admits to as much.

    It’s scary that a man can be convicted and punished without a trial or as much as a thorough hearing.

    #MeToo developed as a movement in which people might find empowerment by standing up to abusers. Now it’s being used as a cudgel for aggrieved parties to exact revenge.

    It disturbs me, and I worry that as more people, most of them women, abuse this power, and if more outlets fire employees without vetting the accusations, the public will start disbelieving all accounts of abuse.”

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/the-takedown-of-chris-hardwick-shows-metoo-has-gone-too-far/

    1. SoberPhobic

      Yet, no one could have predicted this.

    2. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Andrea’s gonna get unfriended.

  21. dorvinion

    The Great “Just Shit in the Potty” fight

    For us we got #1 handled right quick, but for a while she adamantly refused to #2 except in a diaper.
    She had control, she rarely had poo accidents. She just refused to sit for a #2.

    Eventually we started making her sit on the toilet while wearing a diaper to #2.
    Then a few days later, we cut a hole in a diaper before putting it on her.
    Next time she had to #2 she refused to let us put a diaper on her until she saw it had no hole cut in it.
    Of course being that as adults we are more clever, we showed her a diaper with no hole and snuck one with a hole under her bottom before plunking her down on the crapper.

    Then it was over and we never had another issue with it.
    Then we decided diapers where so much fun lets start over again.

    1. The Last American Hero

      Lock down a patent on diaper ass-chap trainers and profit.

      1. Trap-door diapers. BANG.

    2. Brochettaward

      Cleaning shit off another creature because it carries your genes…

      Is it really worth it? I think after the first time, I’d just leave my shit covered baby at a firehouse and wash my hands of the matter.

      1. slumbrew

        You’re ignoring the chemical warfare they use to control your mind – the oxytocin kicks in and it’s OK because it’s _your_ baby.

        1. dorvinion

          Exactly

          The second one is a big cheater in this regard

          He smiles excessively (like 10 times more than our first), even when we don’t smile at him first.

          1. MikeS

            They are devious little bastards. Some of them are good people, I assume.

      2. trshmnstr

        You get used to it after 2 or 3 bad diapers. It’s not the most pleasant part, but diaper wipes make it bearable.

      3. trshmnstr

        Sorry, I’m in an asshole mood, so I have to do this.

        Cleaning shit off another creature because it carries your genes…carries your genes… wears a ring you gave it long ago

        Is it really worth it? I think after the first time, I’d just leave my shit covered baby dementia riddled spouse at a firehouse and wash my hands of the matter.

        This actually falls right in line with a new article I’m hashing out in my head. The title will be something along the lines of “radical individualism is a blight on the libertarian movement”.

        1. Mustang

          Oooo, I look forward to this one. It mirrors some of my own thoughts.

        2. Spudalicious

          Damn, that echoes my exact thoughts when I read that. You now officially scare me.

      4. Cleaning shit off another creature because it carries your genes…

        Its basically like cleaning up your own shit, really.

    3. creech

      Get ready for the five year old stage where they all endlessly giggle with their friends about who “pooped their pants” and laughing about farts.
      Wait, that goes on through adulthood.

      1. dorvinion

        Extreme willfulness is her five year old stage.

  22. Brochettaward

    Most of the families affected by Trump’s policy are, like them, from Central America, where gangs frequently extort small businesses, forcibly recruit preteen kids, and burn houses down as a form of punishment for those who don’t comply with their orders…Already traumatized from the violence at home and the dangers along the way up through Mexico

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/karlazabludovsky/trumps-family-separations-are-leaving-people-waiting-to?utm_term=.spArwg7Pr#.diN2Q5E82

    It’s almost like these countries are…shitholes or something.

    The Obama administration, dealing with a wave of “asylum seekers,” was forced to take actions to deter/reduce the numbers. The situation had become chaotic and dangerous. Trump is doing the same…more successfully. More efficiently. He’s making the trains run on time, here, people.

    1. The Last American Hero

      I thought you could only claim asylum if you feared abuse by your government or were fleeing persecution from a government sanctioned group, such as a Christian fleeing the Taliban or something. “My homeland sucks balls” is grounds for emigration, not asylum.

    2. Chipwooder

      Well, as Captain O’Connell says in the woefully underappreciated John Candy/Eugene Levy classic Armed and Dangerous, “The world is a shithole. It’s filled with shitty people who are scared shitless.”

      1. Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

        +1 “We’re gonna see how fast this SUMBITCH’LL GO!”

    3. creech

      Short of “sending in the Marines” what the hell can we do to stop these gangsters in shithole countries?

      1. Honestly, those countries would probably be a lot better off today if this guy had succeeded.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster)

      2. Count Potato

        Legalize drugs.

  23. mikey

    “Wasn’t there something about a Boston marathon bomber witness dying inexplicably as he was being “interviewed”?”
    If by “dying inexplicably” you mean “killed by the interviewing FBI goons”.
    With that I think it’s better than even that the bomber was an FBI setup that went ahead on his own.
    And don’t forget that the FBI were basically accomplices in several of Whitey Bulger’s murders. And that Mueller had ties to the Boston FBI office at the time.

    Not so long ago I would have accused myself of living in a tin-foil world.

  24. Gilmore

    In a dramatic moment, Meadows then directly asked Horowitz whether two anonymous FBI employees identified as making anti-Trump statements in the IG’s report were named Kevin Clinesmith and Sally Moyer.

    Horowitz refused to confirm the employees’ identities, which the FBI has declined to publicly reveal,

    Is this congress “doxxing” FBI employees whose names were redacted?

    1. Brochettaward

      Yes, and if it weren’t for brown people in cages-gate, this would probably be the scandal of the day. Not that, you know, the FBI is lying about why they are keeping their identities a secret or that their reports were altered (which we already knew – FBI agents who interviewed Flynn were ordered to change their minds).

    2. Why can’t Congress subpoena the information? Seriously, WTF is going on here? Since when can bureaucrat fucksticks just refuse to do what Congress and/or the President says?

      1. Gilmore

        Why would you ‘subpoena’ when you already know via whisper-back-channels, and can just leak it in open court so the press will disseminate the info?

        1. It’s not even leaking if Trump declassifies it, which he could at will. I don’t know why he hasn’t with more of this stuff. If I were him I’d have declassified all kinds of stuff and posted it on the White House website.

          1. Gilmore

            “”It’s not even leaking if Trump declassifies it, which he could at will. I don’t know why he hasn’t with more of this stuff””

            Yeah, i don’t know.

            I suspect its a topic a govt lawyer could hem and haw at length about. My guess is that while Trump has power to declassify, its a procedure that requires govt lawyers going through a bunch of complex, annoying steps, which might be challenged and get judge to rule… and frankly its just easier for political insiders to just leak info to press and create atmosphere where redactions don’t serve any purpose anymore.

            I’ve seen similar things in business world where CEO/execs have technical authority to do X unilaterally… but instead choose to accomplish them by getting subordinates to use backdoor, political-mechanizations, so that it doesn’t ever *look* like the boss ordered it; often, because they don’t want to have it seen as a unilateral move.

          2. Could be. I’ve never been any good at navigating political subtleties and/or strategizing about “optics” or other such things. I’m much more of an on-the-nose, bull in a china shop type, which is probably why I am attracted to Trump’s style regardless of how foolish he looks a lot of the time. I hate games and pointless dissembling.

          3. Gilmore

            “”I hate games and pointless dissembling.””

            Baby, this is DC, its games and dissembling all the way down.

            then its just turtles.

      2. Gilmore

        Since when can bureaucrat fucksticks just refuse to do what Congress and/or the President says?

        I’m not a govt worker…

        ….but my guess would be that FBI was given wider discretion from DHS on what they’re allowed to redact/censor , otherwise keep out of FOIA or Congressional-request hands because of rules imposed in the wake of 9/11 which granted all the investigative agencies wide latitude on both “sharing information among one another” while simultaneously, “redacting information that may be exposed to the public”. The obvious problems with those combined factors being that different agencies will have different interests, so sometimes when one of them is covering something up, another may say, “this is something we should leak to press”

        basically: i think the latitude for govt agencies to ‘redact’ was wide to begin with, but in post-9/11 world it got ridiculous, such that every agency redacts any/everything they can get away with to avoid oversight. the only time they don’t is when they know doing so would be undermined by other agencies who specifically want to force more transparency on a subject.

  25. The Late P Brooks

    Fuck it, I’ll just say it: I don’t think Easy Rider was a good movie.

    I stumbled across that movie at some point in the past few years. Holy fuck it’s bad. It was embarrassingly awful. Even if they were all stoked to the gills on dope, there’s still no excuse for that.

  26. Chipwooder

    Oh, this is just too perfect – one of the Marxist mob that harassed Kirstjen Nielsen at lunch is a DOJ employee.

    1. Brochettaward

      Would.

      1. Only if it were an anal hate-fuck.

    2. These deep state types are a literal fifth column. Trump needs to clean house big time. These assholes serve at the pleasure of the President and he should just start firing people like crazy. Saves money, drains the swamp and, as bonus, actually redirects these agencies to do their fucking jobs.

    3. Gustave Lytton

      she defended her behavior as off government time and a use of her First Amendment rights.

      Fuck you, you’re stealing my tax dollars. Can your ass today.

      a look at her Twitter account, @allisongeroi, features tweets during the workday openly celebrating her behavior Tuesday night.

      Arrest her for malfeasance. Maybe drop the charges if she agrees to resign with a block to rehire and waive any appeal or claims against her employer. Maybe.

      1. Don’t forget forfeiture of pension benefits.

      2. Gustave Lytton

        Screw that. No contest plea in addition. Actions have consequences. She can have a conviction on her record for the rest of her life.

      3. Brochettaward

        Maybe I just have a fetish for mousy looking librarian types, but that seems a bit excessive for the expression of a political opinion, no matter how little I think of the action she took. She was off from work. She’s a paralegal. She is allowed to have political opinions.

        1. She is not, however, entitled to a job. If I did such a thing and it was covered by national news outlets, I’d be out the door in a picosecond.

    4. Suthenboy

      Harrassing people in private restaurants whwere they are also off the clock and expect privacy is not an exercise of 1A rights. She admits so by saying Nielson should have no peace. Also unless these shitweasels were eating there – trespassing. Disturbing the peace also.
      Fire her ass and have local da charge her

      1. “She admits so by saying Nielson should have no peace”

        People have been charged with “terroristic threats” for a lot less.

        1. But not for trying to beat the shit out of Rand Paul.

          1. Hyperion

            Shit, he couldn’t even face Rand, who is a little guy, instead he blindsided him. Fucking coward. Yard debris my ass.

      2. Unless it was at a Starbucks.

    5. Count Potato

      “This account’s Tweets are protected.”

      LOL

  27. These gals make me feel tingly in my no-no spot.

    http://archive.is/ETrNh

    I hear motorboats approaching.

    1. Yusef drives a Kia

      30 and 44

      1. SoberPhobic

        #26

    2. Count Potato

      Is #36 a doll?

      1. I’m guessing really gnarly Instagram filter.

    3. Spudalicious

      Not feeling it with this one.

  28. Rufus the Monocled
    1. The Last American Hero

      Compressorhead wins.

  29. SoberPhobic

    Last u-boat captain dies at 105
    Sailing(?) in a u-boat? I’d take my chances elswhere.

    1. Gustave Lytton

      Jürgen Prochnow still lives!

    1. Rufus the Monocled

      I was (verbally) attacked by an asshole on a three-wheeled motorcycle yesterday while I was cycling.

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        34 years of cycling. Never went through something like that. I heard stories but….wow. This on a street where the drivers are the biggest jerk offs around. Surreal.

        1. Gustave Lytton

          “Hey cyclist, do you work?”

        2. Rufus the Monocled

          THOSE WORDS HURT!

        3. trshmnstr

          2 months into commute cycling, somebody in an Escalade or similar SUV lays on the horn (for like 45 seconds) while changing lanes from the lane to the left of me to the lane to the right (a turn lane), cutting me off. They came close enough to me that I literally would’ve been able to hit their rear window with my hand if I had stood up on my bike. I’d estimate they were less than a foot off my front tire.

          I never bike commuted again.

      2. Mad Scientist

        Did he tell you to pull your hand out of your ass?

  30. The Late P Brooks

    This is why I have a gun in my car.

    So you don’t scuff a knuckle punching somebody in the nose?

    1. He shouldn’t have been tailgating me if he didn’t want to die.

  31. Gustave Lytton

    Maybe a bit late, but any recommendations for leather holsters? Looking at DM Bullard, for a pocket holster.

    1. What kind of gun is it for?

      1. SoberPhobic

        well it’s evil and black and goes pow pow

        1. What happened in the rest of the porn?

      2. Gustave Lytton

        SW Bodyguard 380. Possibly PPS.

        1. I really like the De Santis Nemesis for a pocket holster. It’s not leather, but I use it all the time for my .327 LCR and I’m pretty sure they make one for an SW Bodyguard. It fits really well and never comes out with the gun when you draw.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            Thanks. I’m leaning towards leather and away from nylon, but I’ll take another look at it.

          2. Stinky Wizzleteats

            Simply Rugged holsters makes some pretty sweet semi-custom leather rigs.

          3. kinnath

            I have a De Santis Nemesis. I like it.

    2. Spudalicious

      Look at at Remora. Not leather but I absolutely love mine.

      https://www.remoraholsterstore.com

      If you insist on leather, Milt Sparks Nexus. Spendy but will be a family heirloom.

      https://www.miltsparks.com/products-nexus.php

    3. ron73440

      I use a F.I.S.T leather one for open carry.

      If you go to their website there are a lot of options to choose from.

  32. The Late P Brooks

    She was off from work. She’s a paralegal. She is allowed to have political opinions.

    Intimidation is more than just “having a political opinion”.

    1. Suthenboy

      Im guessing Nielson will have SS with her next time

      1. No kidding. I sincerely hope the shitheads who harassed her have already been referred to the SS.

        1. Suthenboy

          I just recording of incident on radio
          They were chanting SHAME! SHAME! Over and over
          Talk about un-self aware

          1. Suthenboy

            Heard

    2. Spudalicious

      I would slowly put a hunk of Chile verde in a piece of tortilla, pop it in my mouth and slowly chew with a look of ecstasy on my face while ignoring their presence.

  33. “The Great “Just Shit in the Potty” fight with the two year old has been joined today. He won the first round, but I’ll get him by the end of the weekend.”

    Every so often I’m reminded of just how awesome it is to have all my kids grown up.

    1. Mad Scientist

      Every so often I’m reminded just how awesome it is to not have kids.

    1. Suthenboy

      Who?

    2. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Fuck it-give it back to Lucas, keep the guy on a leash and see where it ends up.

      1. Mad Scientist

        It would be even worse. His plan was 3 Fantastic Voyage style movies where people are injected into someone’s blood stream to meet up with midichlorians.

        1. Heroic Mulatto

          His plan was 3 Fantastic Voyage style movies where people are injected into someone’s blood stream to meet up with midichlorians.

          That’s an assumption based on one line of an interview in which he really didn’t say much else to give it context. He said they would “explore” the “microbiotic” world of the Force, but he could have meant narratively explore the concept. We have no idea what the story would actually have been.

      2. Or just burn it to the ground and acknowledge that Episodes IV – VI are the only real Star Wars movies.

        1. Stinky Wizzleteats

          Sure, I’d agree to just let it die as I’m not a rabid fan. From a moneymaking perspective I think I’d try a Hail Mary by giving a neutered Lucas some input although, as stated above, it’d probably be worse.

          1. Pan Zagloba

            Clone Wars trivia page has an entry that sums Lucas up.

            Writers were coming up with a bounty hunter villain, and may have had some fat-blobby design (not sure). Lucas hears this and makes two suggestions

            -he should be called Cad Bane (fuck Lucas, why not Villain Bad?)
            -he should be based on Lee van Cleef (holy shit, Lucas, that’s an awesome idea and no way someone under 45 would think of it)

            And so we ended up with a damn cool antagonist with a retarded name.

        2. Pan Zagloba

          Prequels at least gave us Clone Wars and memes.

    3. Pan Zagloba

      Shills gotta shill…

      he film scored $84.4 million on opening weekend and has grossed $192.8 million domestically (and $339.5 million worldwide) in four weeks, which is nothing to scoff at but is far, far lower than the performance of other Star Wars movies at this benchmark. For comparison’s sake, Rogue One opened to $155 million and had grossed $424 million domestic by Week 4. To put it simply, while Solo did fine by blockbuster standards, it wasn’t the “event” that Lucasfilm expected out of a brand new Star Wars movie.

      Fucky, it did less than pre-reshoot, pre-marketing budget domestically. No way it did full budget. And that’s before distributors and theatres and others take their cuts. There is no standard by which that’s “fine”.

      And yeah, Johsnon’s trilogy ain’t happening. He’s gone couple months after KK is oficially out.

    4. I liked Solo. So there.

      1. Gonna make it a two movie Saturday (Solo and Incredibles 2) between brewpubs and some favorite restaurants – to make up for the last couple weekends being a bust for work. I think Solo will be decent for that type of thing – probably a mostly empty theater too. (I’ll make up for some of the calories by walking up and down Main Street Cville a few times).

  34. As we all knew, they would only be satisfied with releasing everyone into the country with full Welfare, SS and Medicaid benefits along with voting rights.

    https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/06/20/right-on-cue-new-york-times-says-trump-likely-to-face-immediate-legal-challenge-over-eo/

    1. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Trump has actually handled this fairly well, the Dems challenging a humanitarian EO looks like absolute partisan shit but they look determined to do just that.

      1. You’d think they would have gotten wise to his rope-a-dope tactics by now.

          1. Isn’t having to live in Canada torture enough?

    2. Who the fuck has standing to challenge it?

    1. Count Potato

      “Suicide rates in the U.S. have risen nearly 30% since 1999, according to a report released Thursday from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Suicides increased in both men and women, in all ethnic groups and in both urban and rural areas. Suicide and “self-harm,” a category that includes attempted suicides, cost the nation $70 billion a year in medical care and lost work time, the CDC says.”

      I question that statistic. And if it’s true (meaning that 1999 didn’t have an unusually low number of suicides, or some other bullshit), then it doesn’t say much for psychiatry or the massive increase in anti-depressant drugs.

      1. Mad Scientist

        I’d counter that it says a lot about the massive increase in anti-depressant drugs.

        1. Count Potato

          You know what I meant.

      2. Stinky Wizzleteats

        The thing about antidepressant drugs is that they physically energize people before the mood elevation kicks in and few psychiatrists seem to account for that. They’re fairly effective if they’re used correctly which they often aren’t.

      3. JaimeRoberto

        I also wonder if some opioid overdoses aren’t being classified as suicides.

  35. Gilmore

    Bombshell Report

    “These documents provide a glimpse into a federal immigration enforcement system marked by brutality and lawlessness,” said Mitra Ebadolahi, ACLU Border Litigation Project staff attorney. “All human beings deserve to be treated with dignity and respect regardless of their immigration status — and children, in particular, deserve special protection. The misconduct demonstrated in these records is breathtaking, as is the government’s complete failure to hold officials who abuse their power accountable. The abuse that takes place by government officials is reprehensible and un-American.”

    …“The students reviewing these records were shocked by the abuse and neglect these children were subjected to at the hands of U.S. officials. The fact that these children were already so vulnerable — most traveling alone in hopes of escaping violence and poverty in their home countries — made the unlawful and inhumane actions reflected in the documents even more distressing,” said Claudia Flores, faculty director of the International Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School.

    The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.

    Examples of the documented abuses include allegations that CBP officials:

    – Punched a child’s head three times
    – Kicked a child in the ribs
    – Used a stun gun on a boy, causing him to fall to the ground, shaking, with his eyes rolling back in his head
    – Ran over a 17-year-old with a patrol vehicle and then punched him several times
    – Verbally abused detained children, calling them dogs and “other ugly things”
    – Denied detained children permission to stand or move freely for days and threatened children who stood up with transfer to solitary confinement in a small, freezing room
    – Denied a pregnant minor medical attention when she reported pain, which preceded a stillbirth
    – Subjected a 16-year-old girl to a search in which they “forcefully spread her legs and touched her private parts so hard that she screamed”
    – Left a 4-pound premature baby and her minor mother in an overcrowded and dirty cell full of sick people, against medical advice
    – Threw out a child’s birth certificate and threatened him with sexual abuse by an adult male detainee.

    OMG THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SMOKING GUN THAT IMPEACHES TRUMP… #RESIST!! BLUE WAVE 2018!….

    …The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014

    (crickets)

    Somehow i missed the reporting about these details in the media when the ACLU released this a month ago..

    1. Mad Scientist

      And yet they had the right top man at the time. Inconceivable!

      1. Stinky Wizzleteats

        This stuff with the detained kids reminds me of the frothing frenzy you see after a school shooting, it’ll calm down.

    2. Pan Zagloba

      How dare you, sir! There was totally outrage and scorn!

      Matt Welch Himself says so!

      1. This Machine

        Didn’t he play guitar for the Eagles?

      2. Gilmore

        To say that there was “no outrage” about Obama’s detention facilities is to tacitly admit that looking up news articles published in 2014 is just too heavy a lift.

        The link he offers as proof that the media was all over the immigrant-detention-facility-abuses story….

        …shows a dozen stories on the front google page which have nothing to do with that subject.

        Most are about GITMO. The first hit is “Obama opens doors to cuba”. Some are strange non-sequitors, like “Honoring Small Business, Obamas Go Book Shopping”

        What you don’t see are screaming headlines blaming Obama for ‘separating families’ or inhumane treatment of migrants.

        Here’s one that pretty much on point:

        ‘Unjust’: Rights groups slam spread of facilities for immigrant families
        CNN-Dec 19, 2014

        Note how the criticism is couched: “rights groups” are accusing him of flaws. Not the media, not an outraged public.

        And half the story is given over to administration pablum about how they’re “working alongside foreign govts to resolve the crisis”, etc.

        another one

        Mother Jones: Inside Obama’s Family Deportation Mill
        Immigration officials are opening new lockups for moms and kids seeking refuge from violent homelands. So much for compassion.

        Is ‘mother jones’ really the MSM?

        There’s also an editorial from an an activist in CNN. and, aside from 2-3 other things… that’s it. I think you could find more examples in a single *day* in 2018.

        If anything – most of the stuff Matt is citing as examples of the MSM’s detailed and noble coverage of this subject, is mainly ‘reporting what activists are claiming’, and then covering for the administration as “doing its best with a difficult situation.’;

        He seems to think this is a very convincing argument against any accusations of media hypocrisy. It isn’t, really.

        1. Pan Zagloba

          He seems to think this is a very convincing argument against any accusations of media hypocrisy.

          He’s as convincing as Dr Krieger yelling “SMOKE BOMB”.

          1. This Machine

            +1 Panel van with a Rush album cover mural

    1. Pan Zagloba

      It seems rational and well thought-out.

    2. Hyperion

      Of course JOOS cheat, otherwise they couldn’t keep doing so well all of the time. Just like dirty Asians and WIPIPO. Sorry, I refuse to use a Y there, cause you know, there is no Y in white people. No apologies to the tards who came up with that.

  36. pan fried wylie

    I’m still working through the morning thread:

    There’s no question that it’s wildly inappropriate in modern society.

    But there’s a difference between being inappropriate and being a “child rapist”. All of a sudden kids go to school until they’re 18, and I’m to believe that a sexual mature teenager can’t consent to sex? It’s a bit much to destroy someone’s life over.

    It really should be 26, since any pregnancies will have to be covered by their parent’s/parents’ insurance. It wouldn’t be cool to let children impose the cost of more children on their parents. Fucking aphids.

    #ConsentStartsAt26Today!

    1. Brochettaward

      This is how I feel about public masturbation. It’s a victimless crime. No one is forcing you to watch.

    2. Gustave Lytton

      Underage female & adult male teacher would be totes ok then, right?

  37. Rufus the Monocled

    If there’s one thing that’s been made clear with this immigration fiasco it’s that the Democrats still control the message.

    They may be reeling at the polls but man do they know how to control the narrative.

    Even up here, Trump is described as having ‘backed down’ as if it was of his doing. Even Melania and Ivanka told him to act! Trudeau said it ‘was wrong what’s happening in the USA’ as if it’s his fucken business. Funny, Mr. Compassion didn’t say boo when it was happening under that jerk off Obama, eh?

    Unreal. Just unbelievable.

    1. Count Potato

      It’s because they control most of the media.

    2. Hyperion

      They control the narrative because they’ve spent the last 100+ years taking over academia and the media. If right wingers ever get an even share of media and academia, they will get squashed like fucking bugs. Seriously, even though they are going all out to censor anyone left of Mao on the intertoobz, they are absolutely getting destroyed. They have 2 options for the future, complete censorship or win by violence. Or both.

      1. Stinky Wizzleteats

        Speaking of censorship, has the EU voted on the copyright law change that would effectively ban memes and other forms of political dissent yet?

        1. Hyperion

          Not sure, as far as I know, they’re just putting wrong thinkers in prison with violent jihadists. When that’s working, why bother passing stuff?

        2. Yes.

          And it’s getting very little attention over here because it’s not being done by Trump.

          1. Stinky Wizzleteats

            That’s terrible news, really just terrible.

    3. Stinky Wizzleteats

      They control the message but no one but true believers and retards believe the message.

  38. Count Potato
    1. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Sure, tell young men they need to refrain from their natural feelings and behaviors and demonize those who don’t, that’ll lessen the use of drugs and drop the suicide rate.

      1. Drugs not approved by the state. Part of the demonization involves drugging the boys into submission.

        1. Stinky Wizzleteats

          Thank God I was a kid in the ‘70s and ‘80s and not later, they would have Adderalled me for sure. I wasn’t hyperactive, I was bored.

          1. Hyperion

            No shit. When I was growing up, boys being boys was not an issue, for anyone.

          2. Hyperion

            In fact, I’m starting to wonder if the Fermi Paradox exists because all civilizations soon commit suicide shortly after first world problems appear. I wish I was joking, but I’m not.

          3. This Machine

            That’s actually a really nifty idea. That’d make an interesting premise for a sci-fi story…

          4. Hyperion

            If you’re into really depressing stories, then yes.

          5. Creosote Achilles

            I have an idea of how to write it to make it not a depressing story. Little bit turning the Prime Directive on its head, little bit Watchmen, little bit explaining why aliens would invade populated worlds.

            Open up with a world on the cusp of suicide via first world problem SJW bull-shit. Basically, the Western world in the 1990s. Aliens invade, but are repulsed. But over the course of the story you find out the aliens are one of the ultra-rare societies that managed to not fall victim to the Curse of Abundance. After discovering one failed, fallen civilization after another, they have as a mission the finding of cultures that are on the cusp and attacking them as a last ditch effort to save them, to get them to fight back.

          6. trshmnstr

            Open up with a world on the cusp of suicide via first world problem SJW bull-shit. Basically, the Western world in the 1990s.

            This is actually pretty close to a stub I’ve been meaning to turn into a short story. The story involves a US/North American space force approximately 100 years from now (perhaps descended from Trump’s space force) that is in lockstep with a society that runs on nepotism and emasculation. Taking offense is used as a means of keeping the command structure, and men are socially pressured to appear weak and hairless. The plot would develop a tension between a specific man-child’s (28 year old who just left home) desire to conform to society and his recognition of the obvious flaws of the system, as highlighted by his experience at his prior posting with asteroid miners who rarely return to Earth and vaguely resemble space Vikings.

          7. Creosote Achilles

            as highlighted by his experience at his prior posting with asteroid miners who rarely return to Earth and vaguely resemble space Vikings.

            I’d read the shit out of that.

            If you haven’t already you may want to check out Forbidden Thoughts which is a collection of short stories with some similar themes.

          8. Ditto.

            Well, not just bored; cripplingly shy too.

          9. Hyperion

            I was like that as a teen. Athletically gifted, intellectually gifted, awkward and scared of pretty much nothing, except scared to death of anything with hips and boobs, check.

          10. Nephilium

            I would have definitely been drugged. I was already tested at my grade school (in the early 80’s) for “developmental disabilities” (looking back at what I remember of the tests, I was most likely being tested for autism). I had taught myself to read by the age of 3, had poor social skills, and was bored by most of the things they were trying to teach me.

  39. Hyperion

    Well, they’ve got em this time. If fucking one whore can’t do you in, surely the 2nd whore fucking will.

    WHORE FUCKING!

    1. Didn’t the Enquirer get it right on John Edwards when nobody else wanted to publish the story because he’s TEAM BLUE?

      1. Hyperion

        John Edwards, lol, possibly the worst politician of all time. He made Hillary look like a genius.

  40. Brochettaward

    I’m mixing my cheap bourbon with ice cream. On a scale between 1 to 10 with 10 being sucking dick at a truck stop bathroom, where does that rank?

    1. Hyperion

      Depends on how well you rate sucking dick at truck stop bathroom. I remember liking coke mixed with ice cream as a kid, but don’t have any experience at truck stop bathroom. I do have experience at cheap and good bourbon and right now drinking not cheap rye with no ice cream.

      1. Not much different from a root beer float, although I never liked floats. (The carbonation thing again.)

    2. Wait a second. Sucking dick at a truck stop bathroom is supposed to be a good thing? I sure wouldn’t rate it a 10.

      For what it’s worth, I drink vodka with my ice cream. In summer, it’s usually an electric lemonade; in winter, straight or with peppermint schnapps.

      1. Gustave Lytton

        Umeshu on mine. Just discovered that I have one more bottle of the good pulpy one in the back of the cabinet.

      2. Brochettaward

        Sucking dick in a truck stop bathroom being super gay and 1 being straight. Homophobes.

        1. So 10 as in fabulous?

    3. Count Potato

      I have no idea. Whiskey and I are like carbonation and Ted.

    4. Nephilium

      Depends on which one you consider the bad end of the scale. Michael Symon approves of the mix, the B-Spot offers bourbon in one of their milkshakes:

      Vanilla Bean Apple Pie & Bacon
      $6.99 (add bourbon $3)

  41. Count Potato

    “A Michigan woman who lied about being raped on her college campus was sentenced to jail time on Monday.

    Mary Zolkowski, 21, was sentenced to 45 days in jail after pleading guilty to fabricating a story about being sexually assaulted in a parking lot at Delta College in Bay County, MLive.com reported.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/19/michigan-woman-who-lied-about-being-raped-on-college-campus-sentenced-to-jail.html

    1. Tres Cool

      I’m just gonna guess that, being surrounded by women that likely have been real victims of sexual assault, she’s gonna have a long month & a half.

    2. I thought none of the 5 out of four women who are raped on college campuses ever lied about it.

      1. Hyperion

        That’s 10 out of 4, you shitlord!

    3. SoberPhobic

      Should have received same sentence as the “rapist” would have

      1. Hyperion

        You are obviously suffering from toxic masculinity, and it’s your fault.

        1. SoberPhobic

          oh i’m suffering. it might even be toxic, but i doubt it’s masculinity.

  42. Mexican FA fined for their scumbag fans

    And Landon Donovan wants us to root for Mexico? He can go fuck himself.

    1. Hyperion

      “FIFA fines Mexico federation $10K for chants in Germany match”

      What, Germany hasn’t fairly let Latin America invade them like the Middle East and Africa? I guess that’s fair.

      1. One of the better stories I recall involves the Schalke-Dortmund rivalry sometime in the last decade. (I can’t find the story online anywhere, dammit!) Apparently at one of the matches the home team’s players inflated balloons that looked suspiciously like male genitalia and unfurled a giant banner telling the other team’s fans to perform an obscene act upon themselves.

      2. Not soccer, but there’s this.

        Gotta love people who are old enough that they can just say “fuck decorum”.

        1. KSuellington

          And that is precisely what the Mexican fans are doing.

    2. KSuellington

      Lighten up Ted, “puto” is not anti gay and it ain’t going away. FIFA can virtue signal all they frickin want, which is not surprising in the least. Mexicans are not as easily bowed to the PC bullshit.

      1. Isn’t “puto” just a male prostitute? I’m not seeing the gay bashing either. I can see how using “Faggot” or “Cocksucker” as a generic insult could be stretched into an assault on all gays, I think its one hell of a stretch, but I can see it. “Man Whore” not so much.

        1. Nephilium

          Himbo?

        2. KSuellington

          It does have some gay connotations as a male prostitute is assumed to be servicing males (they do also use the word gigolo to mean “a male who services females for pesos”). But it is more of a generic insult than anything. “Puta” is a the feminine and a common generic swear in Spanish.

        3. Creosote Achilles

          I thought it is just ‘whore’. So you can use it with a man or a woman, or use the longer ‘hijo de puta’

          1. KSuellington

            No, “puta” is definitely female and “puto” male, but the word in Spanish (especially Messican Spanish) is so utilized that it often is just a simple “fuck”.

          2. Creosote Achilles

            Right. I should have said that it basically is just whore with the a/o depending on gender. I was writing my post w/o seeing yours.

            And yeah, that’s my impression from when I spent lots of time around Messicans, that it was a sort of casual insult in the vein of bitch/whore/fucker is in English.

          3. KSuellington

            Yeah, and because they are stubborn putos they will likely keep it up.

          4. Creosote Achilles

            Good for them. In all seriousness, good for them. I hope they do.

          5. J. Frank Parnell

            putx

        4. straffinrun

          The only phrase I remember is something like: “Tu madre es puta et ya soy cabron”. The cooks in the restaurant would say it every time a waiter put in the wrong order.

          1. KSuellington

            Esso si que es.

    3. Gadfly

      I have a compromise to solve this issue: instead of the Mexican fans calling the other players “puto”, they can instead call them “putto“.

  43. trshmnstr

    I’m in the middle of listening to Black Privilege: Opportunity Comes to Those Who Create It . It’s a fascinating book/audiobook. I don’t actually know who the guy is, and I’m not much of a hip-hop person, but I’m transfixed by this book so far.

      1. trshmnstr

        His shirt in the video is cracking me up.

      2. Count Potato

        I was going to link that Boondocks scene until he mentioned it himself.

      3. Creosote Achilles

        That’s a hot take right there.

    1. KSuellington

      Lol. That is awesome.

      1. KSuellington

        My 3 year old saw my computer and loves the meat baby. He said he wouldn’t eat it though.

    2. Suthenboy

      I thought Swift died 200 odd years ago, long before color photography.

    3. Shpip

      DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY WANTS TO DO THIS TO IMMIGRANT CHILDREN!!! /MSM
      I thought this behavior was rare.
      It’s actually well done.

    4. Pope Jimbo

      Much better than the turtles I made.

      1. CPRM

        Am I the only person on the entire internet who doesn’t have an obsession with bacon? (besides joos an mooselmen)

        1. Pope Jimbo

          Those were from way back in 2011, so it may have been way before the bacon thing was a deal. I just needed something to look like a shell.

          The funny thing about that is that when I showed it to my Japanese niece (who is too vain to wear her glasses) she actually thought they were turtles and freaked out. To be fair she is always on edge when she visits us because we eat a lot of crazy food like venison, pheasants, grouse and squirrels. And if I do run across the occasional snapper, I will grab him to turn him into soup.

          1. CPRM

            Tell me more about his Japanese niece. How old is she? What’s the Dowry? I’d like to move her up to my deer camp.

  44. straffinrun

    And Tango Makes Three among 10 children’s books with same-sex themes taken off the shelves in public libraries by Hong Kong government

    “Ten children’s books featuring same-sex parents and other LGBT themes have been hidden away from public view at Hong Kong’s libraries after months of pressure from an anti-gay-rights group.”

    Keeping them in the closet.

    1. straffinrun

      THE 10 BOOKS

      Daddy, Papa, and Me

      Mommy, Mama, and Me

      And Tango Makes Three (The Chinese version)

      Molly’s Family

      The Family Book

      Introducing Teddy

      The Boy in the Dress

      Milly, Molly and Different Dads

      Annie on My Mind

      Good Moon Rising

    2. hkguy

      Why does my libertarian paradise of Hong Kong even have public libraries? But the real joke is that most HKers don’t care about which genitals people are using together and find identity politics completely alien. (They even enjoy watching public gay sex, as long as it’s free: https://shanghai.ist/2018/06/crowd-watches-couple-having-sex-in-hong-kong-apartment-goes-wild-when-they-find-its-two-guys/)

      The anti-gay obsessives number in the hundreds at most, but the government is petrified of them, probably because half of them are in the government. The best blog in Hong Kong (not mine) explains more: http://biglychee.com/?p=18752

  45. Tres Cool

    Since it’s the final day of Spring, she just needs to get funked, and Swing Down.

  46. straffinrun

    I’m just going by what I’ve seen on my FB, but it seems like the Kiddo immigrant debate has shifted from, “OMG, The childrenz!” to actually offering some solutions. Of course the sticky details are now causing some people to say, “Yeah, it is tricky now that I think about it” while others are clinging to the Nazi death camp narrative.

    My mom and dad would get in arguments like this all the time. My mom would get all emotional over something and demand something be done. My dad would shut up and let her work it out of her system and when she cooled down, he’d lay out the pros and cons of each option. She’d then choose one and feel like she was the one who solved the problem. Dad and I shared knowing looks at each whenever it happened. Never let her know.

    1. Heroic Mulatto

      My mom would get all emotional over something and demand something be done. My dad would shut up and let her work it out of her system and when she cooled down, he’d lay out the pros and cons of each option. She’d then choose one and feel like she was the one who solved the problem.

      If I were to write a Gender Studies textbook, I would just write this. That’s all the book would be – just those 3 sentences. There is nothing else one needs to know. Millennia of evolution boiled down to this.

      I also would still charge 150 dollars for it.

      1. Tres Cool

        Yup. Men fix things, and women feel things.
        The smart man knows to listen and keep his mouth shut until she’s done yelling.

      2. Gustave Lytton

        And change up the page numbers & questions every other year so you can issue a new, incompatible edition “updated with the latest research”.

  47. straffinrun

    Anybody looked at this? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/

    I hate going through a snopes piece, looking for whatever nit picky thing they’re using to call something “false”.

      1. straffinrun

        Thanks, but I’m interested in the law Clinton signed which would allow for separating kids from families.

        1. Rufus the Monocled

          But the article seems to bring into question their assertion it was ‘enacted in May’ at the very least.

          1. Rufus the Monocled

            I found this:

            “Clinton signed a law in 1996 that transformed how the U.S. enforced immigration laws. The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) expanded a list of crimes dubbed “aggravated felonies” that can make an undocumented immigrant automatically deportable. Many of the offenses on the list are neither “aggravated” nor “felonies.”

            The crimes on the list range from murder to forging or altering a drug prescription to failing to appear in court. If Congress decides to add a new crime to the list, the law can be applied retroactively.”

            https://splinternews.com/here-are-some-of-the-democrats-who-paved-the-way-for-th-1826963453

          2. straffinrun

            The lengths the left will go to in order to absolve their beloved leaders of culpability is driving me nuts. From what I can tell, they’re hanging their hats on semantics.

          3. Rufus the Monocled

            And this is where conservatives and libertarians hit a wall.

            There’s a limit in trying to outcrazy the crazy on the left.

            I have no idea where we go from here at this point.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            Principals uber alles?

    1. Gustave Lytton

      Because there isn’t a law that specifically requires separation and the Trump administration could have continued the past practice of ignoring immigration law.

      1. Spudalicious

        Unless they consider enforcing the rule of law where coming across the border is a misdeanor and a repeat offense is felony.

        If American citizen parents were caught dragging their kids through the Sonoran desert for days with no survival gear, they would be arrested, charged with child endagernment and the kids would be given to CPS. If you don’t like it, demand that the law be changed. But demanding the law be ignored means we’re no longer a nation of laws.

        1. RAHeinlein

          Ditto for American citizen parents who take minor children across borders without consent of spouses/non-spouses/no-way-in-hell spouses.

    2. RAHeinlein

      Relevant section from the Snopes piece :

      Under the 1997 settlement, DHS could detain unaccompanied children captured at the border for only 20 days before releasing them to foster families, shelters or sponsors, pending resolution of their immigration cases. The settlement was later expanded through other court rulings to include both unaccompanied and accompanied children.

      1. straffinrun

        How is it wrong then to say that Clinton signed a law that would separate families? Seriously, I’m missing something.

        1. straffinrun

          That’s not exactly what Snopes is claiming is false. It’s an argument I’m seeing online. The law indeed allows for separation of Children, but wasn’t enforced? Or only selectively enforced?

          1. RAHeinlein

            The law wasn’t enforced and rather than prioritizing processing of asylum claims for parents with children to meet the 20-day limitation, these cases were DEPRIORITIZED (most cases take years) so anyone with a child (no verification needed) was allowed to enter for processing at a later (years) date.

          2. straffinrun

            What would be the case if Clinton hadn’t signed the law? Sorry to enact your labor.

          3. RAHeinlein

            Disclaimer – I am not a lawyer and do not play one of TV.

            Essentially, this is a SCOTUS ruling rather than a law, so presumably open to interpretation and challenge.

            This may provide some insight:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_v._Flores

          4. straffinrun

            Danke.

          5. Brochettaward

            I mean, you guys are making this really complicated. SCOTUS made special FYTW rules as it relates to illegal children. It isn’t really about the law. In order to stop catch and release, what the Trump administration did was the most logical course of action. Because the SUPREMES ruled you can’t just hold illegal brown children indefinitely. Because reasons. Clinton passed a law that was, like much of the tough on immigration shit the Dems have agreed to, was never meant to be enforced. And Republicans only pay lipservice to caring.

            You can either detain children with their families, or you can separate them either by detaining the child or letting them to go their parents. Detaining as a family means you are going to basically have a catch and release situation, anyway.

            That’s what today’s EO was about. Trump didn’t like the bad coverage so he had some hacks in the DOJ come up with something that maybe, kind of, sort of does an endaround. At the least, it will take some time to go through the courts and stop the bleeding without really changing the situation much.

            But if we back up a bit, Trump was being far more honest than his opponents when he said that he can’t enforce the law and avoid what he was doing. Not really. But the Dems have no interest in compromising because they don’t really care about brown kids from Central America.

  48. Tres Cool

    Ya know, I may be a deplorable from the basket of fly-over region, but when Trump (or any president) announces to the world that the US “wont separate families”, isn’t that green-lighting every “refugee” to arrive as a family?

    1. This Machine

      The EO as written states that only parents and children won’t be separated. Other family members and non-family members presumably do not get that treatment. That said, I’m not sure how they verify familial status. DNA testing seems time consuming and costly.

      1. Creosote Achilles

        And given that 83% of the children brought illegally across the border are brought by human traffickers, and some of the other provisions in the EO basically mean it is business as it currently is.

    2. straffinrun

      It means children are the new passports. Guess we’ll have to start stamping their foreheads.

      1. Tres Cool

        That’s kinda my point.
        “We’re a “family” you cant do _______ or ________ cause you said so.”

        1. straffinrun

          What fucking mess you get when markets aren’t allowed to function naturally.

          1. Tres Cool

            Well, or enforce laws that have been in place for nearly a century.

          2. straffinrun

            I get the open borders argument from a libertarian perspective. I get the rule of law argument from a conservative perspective. I don’t get the “Let’s just have a little of both!” argument at all.

          3. Brochettaward

            If you care about separating children from parents, the little bit of both argument is basically the worst. If that’s the top priority, it created the most danger for children crossing the border.

          4. straffinrun

            That’s a certain TOS writers position.

          5. Brochettaward

            I mean, anyone who has looked at the numbers can come to the same conclusion. Or anyone who remembers the shit show going on the border before Trump.

          6. CPRM

            BEFORE TRUMP EVERYONE CROSSING THE BORDER WAS GIVEN AN EASTER BASKET FULL OF LOLLIPOPS AND GIVEN A GREEN CARD! Now they are shot in face on sight! RHEEEEE!!!

    1. commodious spittoon

      I’m seeing an awful lot of elbow and wrist bras.

  49. KSuellington

    Most entertaining President in history?

    “Trump was sitting there with his arms crossed, clearly not liking the fact that he felt like they were ganging up on him. He eventually agreed; he said OK, he’ll sign it,” Bremmer said. “At that point, he stood up, he put his hand in his pocket — his suit jacket pocket — and he took two Starburst candies out, threw them on the table, and said to Merkel: ‘Here, Angela. Don’t say I never give you anything.’”

    https://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Trump-reportedly-threw-Starbursts-on-a-table-13011659.php

    1. Tres Cool

      If he’d said “Angela? You want a tip? Here’s one….stop wearing blue”, Id already be signed on to vote for him in 2020.

    2. This Machine

      Please tell me this is real

    3. CPRM

      Hmm…The physics behind Starburst rolling across a table is beyond my animation skill, or this would get a cartoon!

  50. Rufus the Monocled

    Holy shit, I’m watching Cecilia Vega and ABC News lying its ass off after Trump spoke today.

    ‘His policy, not Democrats policy….’he proved himself wrong and backed himself into a corner…’

    What a cunt.

    1. Tres Cool

      Which is precisely why Im drinking beer and listening to DJ Wonder on Sirius S45, and not watching ABC News.

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        They’re so naked in their lack of objectivity it’s laughable.

        Clowns.

    2. Brochettaward

      Trump was far more honest on this issue. Period. You cannot simultaneously enforce immigration law at the border and follow the rules about detaining children, at least for those who travel with them.

      But it’s not about the reality on the ground. It’s just a convenient hit piece on Trump’s immigration policies which have been rather uncontroversial to the public up until now. It seems that most Americans don’t really care about ICE raids or some guy with a family, but 10 DUI’s getting deported. But pictures of kids trapped in cages tugs a little bit more on the heart string and lets them beat the fascism drum.

      1. commodious spittoon

        And they’re still uncontroversial with all but militant anti-Trumpers. And the hardcore open-borders people, I suppose. But the media is playing this like they’re still majordomos of the national narrative rather than constant bearers of false witness.

      2. Not an Economist

        Well they managed to crowd out the IG report on the way the DoJ and the FBI investigated Hillary’s email. So it worked.

    3. One of the non-US RSS feeds has the headline “Trump frames separation policy change as ‘solution’”, with “solution” in sneer quotes. It’s an interview with a CNN correspondent.

  51. Brochettaward

    As I’ve made clear in the past, I’m vehemently opposed to children. Not just having them, but their very existence. But today I was exposed to the most compelling argument I’ve yet to hear as to why having them, at least individually, is important. It seems almost inevitable that I’m going to need a new liver one day, if other vices don’t kill me first. I’m not sure on the odds at the moment. I need to do some number crunching to see if the investment would actually be worth it. But it’s at least an appeal to reason.

    1. Heroic Mulatto

      As I’ve made clear in the past, I’m vehemently opposed to children. Not just having them, but their very existence.

      You were prettier when your name was nicole.

      1. CPRM

        Don’t be hasty, we’ve yet to hear his stance on shoveling sidewalks.

        1. Tres Cool

          Beer-fetching, remote-grabbing, lawn-mowing….

    2. CPRM

      Dressing a baby like Hilter isn’t enough of a reason?

    3. Winston

      I’m vehemently opposed to children. Not just having them, but their very existence

      But you were once a child…

      1. CPRM

        Way to make assumptions, shitlord!

    1. CPRM

      Yogesh Patil; he either sounds Russian or Indian so that changes who the boogeyman is depending on his heredity. A sad state of politics in current year.

  52. Mustang

    STOP THE PRESSES!

    “White House to recommend combining Education, Labor Departments: report”

    http://thehill.com/regulation/pending-regs/393372-white-house-to-recommend-combining-departments-of-education-labor?amp#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

    1. CPRM

      So, what you’re saying is Trump is going to create re-education labor camps. We’ve got him this time!

      1. Mustang

        Damn, this is going to screw with the orphan market.

        1. CPRM

          Well , the orphan market has been flooded since Trump outlawed abortion, so this is just a market correction.

    2. They could combine HHS with Education.

  53. KSuellington

    I just got back last week with the wife and kids from ten days south of the border. Crossing borders is always a pain in the ass, now more than ever. We were at least going through airport borders which is way better than land. Last time I crossed at Otay a few years ago it was a five hour wait.

    1. CPRM

      Hat: This fucker sounds like a Messican! Put him in a camp!

    2. Playa Manhattan

      You can finally relax your b hole.

      1. KSuellington

        My butthole always relaxes when I pass through customs still with a virgin ass. I am lucky I have never seen the back room in America,