Previously on H3
Part 1: Introduction, Caveat, and Stakeout
Part B: Permits and Foundations
Part III: Do’h, Stumps, Rodan!!!, and Framing
Rough-in it, Hah!
Really shoulda had an arc fault circuit breaker on those attic lights!
The framing completed we can now move on to the electric, HVAC, and plumbing rough-in, well almost. While one could elect to start running supply lines and drain and pulling wire right away, it is preferable to ‘button-up’ the home first. Exterior doors and windows need to be installed and the roof needs to at least be felt papered if not fully shingled, this not only weatherproofs but keeps light-fingered passersby honest. Sadly with escalating cost of building supplies, theft is a serious concern even in the rural heartland of Ohio. The products and tools have improved but the processes remain the same, very few codes concerning doors, windows, and roof installation have changed or exist at all. What color they are is something else, but more on that later. Now with the buttoning-up completed lets rough-in it.
Back in ’88 dad hired an electrician to wire the spec house. He was good enough to let me help and willing to teach me all I needed to know about wiring a home. If he was ever concerned about training his own replacement he never let on, he had plenty of other work and I have, over the years, learned that there is a friendly competition between most tradesman. Sure, some might dislike each other but most will buy rounds for each other in the local bars and swap stories about insane clients and stupid inspectors. The exception being anybody who would give the rest of us a bad name, guys who do shoddy work and rip people off. If you’re talking to a tradesman you’re thinking of hiring, and he tells you all his competition are losers and no good, be cautious, especially if he brings it up unasked. If you ask and he speaks well of his competitors that’s a good sign he’s being honest.
Unless we were too busy, I wired our homes for the next ten or fifteen years. I stopped and we again hire an electrition to wire our jobs, mainly because the codes kept changing and it wasn’t worth it to try and keep up with them. I’d estimate in those early houses I would run a total of maybe fifteen-twenty circuits for the average house, now it can take over thirty and some need to be ground fault protected, some arc fault protected. It seems like every appliance needs to be on a dedicated circuit and you have to put fewer and fewer outlets or lights on the rest. Meaning that there are more home runs from the service entrance panel, and wire isn’t getting any cheaper. For those arc-fault protected circuits, one can lay out up to 10x what a standard one costs. Our electrician also has to install two grounding rods, tamper proof outlets, CO2 alarms, etc. I estimate that changes in the electrical code alone have added up to five thousand dollars to the cost of a new home.
We have almost always hired out the plumbing. For the first few years, we used a father & son and son crew, the average home would take them one day to rough-in, well, the father and one son did; the other son installed the furnace. When the furnace son bought the farm, oh relax, he bought an actual farm and raises llamas or ferrets or something, dad and I took over the furnace installations. A few years later for various reasons, we switched to another plumber and he started installing our furnaces, which made me very happy. I hate ductwork, I doubt that I installed one single furnace that doesn’t have my blood on it, that metal is sharp, and I must have used up a good chunk of my profanity quota by mumbling “CodKnobbin’ Melonfarmer!” while fighting with it. Plumbing codes have not changed much, ‘Pipe’s still round, shit still runs downhill, and payday’s still on Friday’. The plastic supply lines are now the norm, copper prices being what they are. The furnace/ductwork installation is the same as well, the furnaces are more efficient but nobody has improved ductwork and it still sucks balls Seriously, you’d need armed forces to get me to install another furnace, I’ll go back to delivering pizza first.
Decks
Deck Pics!
When I’m not involved in the roughing-in, this is usually a good time to build the decks. Unlike ductwork I love decks. I like framing, and I really like finish carpentry, but my favorite has got to be building decks. Framing gives you instant gratification, you can get a lot done quickly, but it’s crude and almost anyone can do it. Finish work requires skill but it’s very repetitive- measure, miter, cope, install, measure, miter, cope, install -repeat ad nauseam. Decks offer the best of both worlds, they make an instant visual impression but are a finished product so one can get his woodworking on — it’s not like building a cabriole legged table but it not exactly slapping up a chicken coop either.
Structurally decks haven’t changed much– posts and beams, joists and decking, railings and stairs. I use screws now where I used to use nails, and structural lag screws replace some of the through bolts. Somewhere along the way, the maximum spacing between the railing went from 6″ to 4″ which means you need more balusters and that could cost a pretty penny on a deck with lots of railing. After building three or four railings I was sick of the standard 2×2 balusters and since then I try to come up with a new and exciting design for each deck and railing. There are fancy kits and pre-formed balusters but they are costly, same with the composite decking boards. They have nice hidden fastening systems and an occasional power washing is a lot cheaper than staining every few years but you pay for it up front. A composite board costs between three and five times the cost of a wood one and the composite boards require more framing and labor.
The important thing to remember is that this section was added primarily for me to show off some of my handiwork. Look on my works, ye Glibby, and despair!
Big Deck Pics!
Inspections
Back in ’88, we had our first ‘inspection’ at about this point, as I’ve mentioned a few more have been added since, but this is still the first real one, the others are more ‘take a quick look and check a box on the form’ type of inspection. In ’88 the ‘inspectors’ were volunteers on the HOA’s code enforcement detail. They really didn’t know much about construction (there were a few retired engineers and they at least knew what they didn’t know), they were better suited for enforcing the HOA rules regarding how long your grass was or if you could leave the RV parked in the drive for four straight days. The Inspections were more of an open house than anything else, some ‘inspectors’ would bring their buddies or wives along, everyone wants to check out the new house on the block. Lot’s of “So this is the kitchen?” and “Are you putting in tile?” questions…not so many “What’s the span on those joists” type questions.
Today we have a real inspector, he was an electrician and then a building inspector one county over before the HOA hired him. He is thorough and fair, he does a pressure test on the drain lines, he makes sure the wiring is secure but not too tightly stapled. He knows what is structurally required and he follows the codes. I really can’t complain about him, if you are going to have codes and enforce them better a by-the-book guy than looks-good-to-me type. You know what you’re getting with the former, some (most) of the codes may be redundant, subjective, or overkill but they are what they are. In the latter case, who knows what B.S. they might come up with.
The Dunning–Kruger effect or ‘knows just enough to be dangerous’ rule applies here as well. Between the totally unqualified looky-loos we started with and the professional we have now the HOA went through half a dozen others. One, I mentioned in the introduction, he stuck his thumb on top of his head and extended his fingers up if his pinky could touch the ceiling there was a headroom problem. I had to explain the difference between a ridge beam and a ridge board to the next guy every time we had a cathedral ceiling that extended into a loft. A few feel it’s their job to find something wrong, not ensure things are right, they’ll make up ‘issues’ on the spot to justify their phony baloney jobs. I’ve had a few say ‘I’m happy about X but I’m not sure if that’s covered in the codes, I’ll look into it and let you know.”
A competent inspector will add some value to a homeowner if he catches some oversight or incompetence on the part of the builder. He may also add a little peace of mind in that a second pair of eyes looked over the construction, which may be of some value. A bad one can cost the homeowner real money, either by forcing the builder to either fight some arbitrary rule, and time is money, or go along with it to get things done. Worse case scenario he misses something that causes problems down the road. People assume that if it passes ‘inspection’ it’s all good, buyer beware has gone out the window; Big daddy government or the HOA has my back.
Due diligence is a thing of the past, we offer to show potential customers the last five homes we’ve built, not cherry-picked ones, the last five. We’ll give them the number of the owners so they can call them personally. (Yes, we get permission to do this, we have never had a client not want to show their new home to others, many tell us to send people their way without us even asking) As far as I know, no one has ever taken advantage of this, granted we get most of our business through word of mouth so people are getting referrals in a way. But still, for most people, a new home is the single biggest expense in their life and given the chance to check out our credentials most people just give it a ‘meh’. I don’t get it.
That’s it for Part the Fourth, I know I promised a story about color codes, but I spent a ridiculous amount of time formatting this article so that the first letter in each line spelled out a secret message, then I realized that everyone’s browser and window settings are different and all that work was for naught. So this is what you get, no anecdote, no red sauce recipe. I’ll make it up to you next time, promise.
Once again I am humbled by the ability of those who can make things, and frustrated at my complete inability to do so.
I generally can rig up plumbing and electrical. I understand the direction water drains, and how electrons move. But give me a piece of wood, a tape measure, and a saw? I’ll completely ruin it.
Impressive the damage you can do to the saw just by looking at it wrong.
I’m usually able to clean up the scraps left over by plumbers and electricians with only a few minor injuries.
Two things I learned building my house. Shit runs downhill and electricity is faster than I am. I build my house with no plans or blue prints.
We started with 3 requirements.
1. Kitchen had to face the East. Mrs Fourscore is Asian
2. Every room had to have a window, including the walkout basement
3. House had to be warm, that is, well insulated.
Fortunately we weren’t bothered by inspectors except the electric guy and the septic guy. By that time I’d already learned the two important things.
Beer is a thing, right? Otherwise, the only person (that I’m aware of) I have more handyman skills then is the girlfriend, who wanted to call a plumber to replace the flapper in a toilet.
My wife is infinitely more capable than I am in home repairs, wiring, etc.
My wife is the daughter of a pipefitter…I am the brute labor, she is the brains.
I always figured this was Kanye’s romantic, tearful proposal to Kim Kardashian, and that she was quite moved.
Raven…I helped (Habitat for Humanity) frame exactly two houses. Now I know why Our Savior was a carpenter …because it takes a flippin’ miracle worker to get everything right the first time.
He’s not kidding about the theft. The story is from over a year ago, and they’re now open (and haven’t had any more thefts that I’m aware of).
Well, I’m in Pennsylvania. And I forgot –
A: The power cable for my laptop ($40 so I can recharge my battery between now and when I get home)
B: The cable and battery charger for my Nikon camera – the cable is properietary, and I have not yet turned up a retail establishment which carries it
C: I hope nothing else.
This vacation is off to a stunning start. At least I’m here early enough that I can take a brewery tour before they close. Sadly, it’s abnormally warm in Harrisburg today.
Ugh. One of my nightmares is forgetting my laptop cable when I travel.
At least they still make generic chargers that fit this model of machine (It’s getting old, but I use it for very little, so it still suits)
Well, if I want to make the tour time and not wait for the 6:30 tour, I have to get on the road. Later Glibs.
If you can find it on Amazon, you can have it shipped to a future hotel location you’re going to be at. I’ve done that before.
I thought about it. I also thought about shipping it to my relatives I’ll be visiting later this week. I’m not sure if I should go to the trouble, it all depends on how bad the gopro still pictures are that I took at the brewery.
Welp, in being polite to people I visit, I ended up drinking two beers that were, well, quite disagreeable, and one half-made sample (unfiltered and uncarbonated, but otherwise fermented) that was actually closer to drinkable. I did buy some of the finished version of that and some other varieties to give Troegs a fair shake. They’re currently cooling in the hotel room fridge.
So I have a logistical question – with the heat which a car as a solar oven can generate, I strongly suspect that any period they would be sitting in a car would be damaging to the product. How cold do they have to stay to survive the trip and still be a reasonable approximation of what the makers intended?
Unless beer is shipped in a refrigerated truck, it will get warm in shipment.
So the beer will probably survive and be drinkable. Cooling/heating cycles will shorten its life.
Will it be a reasonable approximation of what the makers intended? I don’t know. What beers to Troegs did you get?
In the pack we have Flying Mouflan, Impending Descent and Scratch 328.
We had the Scrate 328 Lingonberry gose in the half-made state on the tour. It was also the cheapest of the three.
I see Nephilium beat me. I agree with what Nephilium said.
Sorry you had two beers you didn’t like. Troeg’s is in general solid, I hope you got to try some of their Scratch beers, as they’re one offs.
As for sitting in a car, if you can sit in the car, the beers will generally be fine. As long as you keep the beers under 90 F, and above 35 F, you’re generally fine. Especially as you’re talking days of storage, not weeks.
As I am generally a non-beer person (as in the fact that I found half-made Scatch 328 drinkable is remarkable in of itself)
Looking above, all three of those should hold up well. The one with the most potential for damage is the Scratch 328, as it’s a fruited gose. I hope you tried the Scratch 328 chilled and carbed as well, it’s a really good sour.
Glad to see it looks like you at least enjoyed the tour at least. I’d feel a modicum of guilt otherwise.
Nice deck pics. Consider the angled baluster ideas stolen if I ever do a deck again.
I thought you weren’t supposed to send people your deck pics!
Yeah, those are nice.
I will never have another wooden deck. Mine is 16×50 and twelve years old. Some of the frame needs replacing and most of the deck surface needs replacing. I am scared to even look at the price of lumber.
I keep threatening to build a stone wall around the perimeter, fill in with earth and surface with brick or stone. It would be more expensive but I would never have to resurface again.
Oh ya, I am with ya. Stone patios are the way to go at ground level but spendy. I have a very small deck. 10 x 10 Just big enough for a couple BBQ’s and a table, but my living space is second floor above the shop so a patio was not an option. For never replace decks the composites are the way to go but The Hyp is right, recycled plastic boards are ridiculous expensive. If I ever get around to building an actual house it will have no wooden decks. All stone patios.
I looked at the plastic ones. Ridiculously expensive and they dont last forever. Plastics degrade in the sun and they also dont hold their shape. Too much framing needed.
Much as I like building decks, for ground level I agree entirely – Brick or stone. And I’m certain I don’t have to tell you this but just in case, don’t fill with dirt, unless you add it in 2-3″ layers and compact each one, even then you want a good 4-6″ of compacted gravel and 2″ compacted sand under the brick and or stone.
Good advice. I know about earth fill dams. Even after compacting 3″ layers repeatedly the dams still settle considerably over time. Compacting is barely effective. There is no substitute for the settling and infiltration of micro particles that water and time perform.
Previous house I replaced a large deck with a paver patio. There’s just no comparison.
Building codes were a big Awareness Moment for me. Did you know that if your house was built less than about 10 years ago, or if you need the valve in your tub/shower replaced, you cannot have a two-handled faucet installed? You must have a scald regulator. The law was not written with common-sense exceptions, or an opt-out you could sign making sure you are aware of the hazards, or an obligation to reinstall a code-compliant faucet before you sell it, or anything. It’s really made me think it’s worthwhile to learn the basics of plumbing, construction, etc. (You can still find the valves for sale easily; they haven’t been banned and are still manufactured for damn near every other country on Earth.)
There are of course barely any Federal housing codes that apply to private dwellings, apart from the regulations that govern new “manufactured housing” in lieu of the pre-1976 technicalities that had people living in true “trailers.” But there is an “interstate” one, and people should be more aware of the general political methodology behind it because it is quite pervasive. The industry sits down and writes these “model codes” for itself, then the various states and cities pass them with their own little additions if desired. (Some other “nonprofit” bodies, like the National Center For MIssing and Exploited Children, are essentially “privatized government” in even deeper ways. They operate on public funds, then pretty much get to set policy and information reaching politicians and the public; they are essentially unchallenged.)
It’s not all bad, of course. If you’re going to be overregulated, have silly law passed, at least these people do know what they’re talking about which is more than you can say for the average politician or bureaucrat. And these model codes really are much clearer and better than a lot of the ad hockery they replaced and would otherwise be there. (NYC was the last jurisdiction to adopt one, quite recently; before that it had been an impossible-to-understand nightmare simply collected since the 19th century.) They probably are better than what would otherwise be there. But the blatant undesirability of having industry write their own regulations should awaken more people to the real question: why these things need to exist at all.
There shouldn’t be any such thing as a “building code” beyond fire safety and (at least in urban areas) structural integrity. I am very disappointed that this is not being paid a huge/em> amount of attention by the libertarian movement, because I think it’s something we could all relate to. Yet I consistently see almost nothing about it from anywhere. This is just one of the many aspects in which the nanniest nannies in Europe can’t come close to the good old U. S. of A.
Of course, if you live in a single-family or own the building there’s always the NYC solution. Just build the fucking thing anyway, since even if every single one of your neighbors rat you out, they’ll be damn lucky to have one of their lazy-ass inspectors arrive before you’re finished.
“…at least these people do know what they’re talking about which is more than you can say for the average politician or bureaucrat.”
Very few codes/regulations/rules are written by politicians or bureaucrats. They are written by industry people and given over to the politicians to officialize. That is how regulatory capture works and of course the whole point of it.
“if your house was built less than about 10 years ago, or if you need the valve in your tub/shower replaced, you cannot have a two-handled faucet installed? You must have a scald regulator. ”
It really isnt that hard to just install hose spigots….
I built an outside shower a few years ago and put hose plumbing right up to the shower head. The two valves for hot and cold are just 3/4″ brass ball valves with levers. When they start fucking with my inside plumbing that’s the way I will go there too. Of course I live in a place where we dont have any of that. I can build the way I want.
Thanks for the tip! Don’t be surprised if I ask you for details at some later time.
And yeah, I really could have phrased it differently. There are really only two ideologies in this country that anyone holds, pro-business and pro-government. They say they are “pro-liberty” and “pro-equality” but that is bunk; that is merely how we want to think of ourselves.
This is how, say, light bulb manufacturers can get together and say that enough is enough, consumers have not been smart enough to heed their decades of benevolent advice and buy their delightful, high-margin compact fluorescents instead of the incandescents that they were making so little profit on that they were practically a commodity, so they went to the environmental groups and asked to help them lobby Congress for a ban. And, of course, it passes with little dissent and is signed by Bush. Because “even” the industry agreed to this regulation. (Even prog consumers didn’t like that one. But because commercially viable technology for affordable, desirable white LEDs subsequently emerged, it has become folk wisdom in their quarters that “I have to admit, it worked. It got the industry to develop this technology.” These people, despite their fucking love of science, had somehow failed to notice the slow, five-decades-old, color-by-color march of LED technological improvement and noticed that desirable white LEDs had been creeping up for some time.) And then of course there’s the Republicans, who promptly (including its former author!) and loudly turned against the bulb ban as soon as Obama took office, and it was safely in the rearview mirror. We can always count on them for that.
Just yet another example, of course. All regulation is like this; it’s all in the service of the powerful. (Except to the extent that it is just plain stupid. Never underestimate that particular phenomenon.)
I was going to mention the scald regulator thing but forgot, thanks for that and for the rundown of how housing codes get implemented. I think I mentioned in an earlier part or the comments that the county this HOA is in has no codes other than septic, the HOA voluntarily adopted the International Building Code.
What does need regulation of course is these hard to use HTML codes.
The term you’re looking for is “quango”, for “QUAsi-Non-Governmental Organization”.
If we’re still riding the Brits, most of their government is by quango. Most sectors are regulated by quango. London itself–like, the whole fucking city–was governed almost entirely by quangos for several decades. The medieval guilds were destroyed there first only to make a spectacular comeback. Or, better yet: If there were a 20th-21st Century, British William Graham Sumner he would write the essay “The Conquest of the United Kingdom by Mussolini.”
I fucking hate the anti scald shit. At least in other countries, there’s an override button you can press to turn the knob hotter.
We have a newish faucet and the wife is absolutely pissed that she can no longer get a hot bath.
Speaking of scalding – I was in a navy “hotel” in Coronado back in February. Big ol’ former converted barracks high-rise – probably 30-40 years ago. Figure DoD must have an exemption from CA/general building regs. That was a 10 story building with all the pipes on a single water main – someone one floor down flushed and the shower water would shoot way past 120 degrees. It was ridiculous. (I also forgot to submit my critique after leaving too).
When it comes to houses and water heaters, I can get some of the issues, but some older systems are really poorly set up.
Also, I love that you used to do the electrical rough in. Electricians are the one trade I don’t mind bashing since many if not most are arrogant pricks who think they are the only ones smart enough on the planet to wire a house. It is not that hard other than keeping up with the codes and new tech. I have done all my own electrical work once the inspector gave me a pass for occupation. Never called the fucker again for a permit. “I should have gotten a permit for that?” is my go to line. County assessor busted me this year on a “drive by”. Which is interesting since to see my new construction she would have had to have been trespassing. She didn’t bust me for no permits or even ask about it but my property taxes went up due to improvements. Cunt.
I’ve heard some area are using google earth or drones or such to find out if people are building out back where no one can see.
If she used Google earth I hope she has the Gov version so they can zoom in really good and they snapped the sat shot when I was battling tan lines. I would love to send the assessor a dick pic from space.
I got fined triple the permit price for not having a permit for a deck on a remodeled cabin. They called it an “After the fact permit”. When I kept asking how permission can be granted after the action is completed the bureaucracy was adamant that it was a permit and not permission. Truly I wasn’t even aware that I needed county permission to build a simple deck, not to be confused with Mr Hyperbole’s art work.
That is some bullshit there. I renewed a tag for a trailer yesterday. I was one month late because….. They have late fees for a late tag renewal that gets pulled on muh roadz maybe four times a year. The assholes will squeeze money from us any way they can.
I am scared to even look at the price of lumber.
Time out.
So, looking for free advice: 6 months ago, we bought a house built in 1931. Some of outlets had two pins and some three. Happily I plugged electronic devices into surge protectors which I plugged into the three pin outlets. Of course (and all the people with skills now what’s coming) when we had an electrician install a few new items, he informed me that there is actually no ground in the house and the surge protectors were simply serving as power strips. Electrician suggested something we could buy that would cost about $65/outlet but I forgot to have him write it down.
Searching the intertoobz led me to GFCI outlets but apparently these protect people not devices. The power company sells whole house surge protectors at a decent price but it’s not clear whether these protect equipment or not? We don’t necessarily want to protect the whole house, but expensive electronics and appliances. Any thoughts?
Built in 1931? No grounding? Holy shit, it is amazing that house hasn’t burned down. If it were me I would rewire the whole thing. There is a good chance that if any of the original wiring is still there that the insulation has degraded badly and you could have bare spots in the wires inside the walls or attic.
That is probably not helping your morale. My apologies.
So, it has the original knob & tube wiring? Get it rewired.
he informed me that there is actually no ground in the house
I find this hard to believe, unless your entire house has knob-and-tube wiring. I encountered this in a house I worked on (some circuits had been updated over the years, but some had not). I ended up completely rewiring the place. Permit? What’s that? I dread to think what an electrician would have charged me.
Codes? Where we’re going we don’t need codes.
My house was built in 1929, and now it’s about half knob and tube, half Romex When I moved in I created my own Grounding Circuit just for the Electronics, amplifiers and such, without a proper ground you can’t keep hum and buzz out of amps.
My brother’s old house built late 40’s or 50’s was all two prong, no ground plugs so cable was ran in as two wire without a ground wire.
Our last house was built in ’58, and only the renovated portions (from the early 90s) had grounded receptacles. I re-renovated the entire basement, modernizing all the electrical there, and then ran insulated copper wire around and into all the other ’58 boxes, grounding ’em off against copper water supply coming into the basement from the municipality.
The inspector looked at the new ground, and then the Alberta Code, and then harrumphed, signed-off and left. 😉
The Champions League final is making me ill. What else is on?
USA has an NCIS marathon.
I don’t know about the chick with the bangs but I have long had a soft spot for Summer School.
I wasn’t watching but the BBC text feed said Madrid’s first goal was bizarre.
The goalkeeper basically gave the ball to Madrid and let them score.
And that wasn’t his only fuck-up, either. I think Liverpool might take the position seriously now? They’ve only let it slide for like five years now.
I like the deck pictures. Very nice work!
Thanks DEG.
First Kroger , now Publix. Uhg.
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05/26/publix-caves-david-hogg-will-suspend-donations-pro-gun-politician/
It’s like Dick’s never happened. What the hell is wrong with these people?
I was looking at guns this morning at a local discount/sporting goods store. Noticed they have a new sign that must be 21 to purchase any firearm or ammo or any ammo components. Right next to the old ones with 21 for handguns and handgun ammo only. Lost the sale right there.
I thought only the chains did that. And it wasn’t a big deal because most people buy firearms at indies, and indies will more than pick up the slack for pissed-off Wal-Mart customers and the like.
Also I think Bass Pro Shop has not caved yet if I’m not mistaken.
Bass Pro/Cabelas’ not gonna cave. They know it would be suicidal given their customer base.
Perhaps, but Cabela’s won’t stock or order a Mossberg Shockwave.
I wonder why not. I’d think those would be more likely to be banned at a shooting range, not a retailer.
Regional chain.
You should get Joe Biden to write a letter of protest. Aren’t young women advised to get a shotgun for home defense?
Yep, he’s an asshole. And his mother is enabling him instead of bitch-slapping him.
Oh, and someone needs to send Publix a copy of “The Seen and the Unseen.”
He does have incredibly good hair. I am so bored and sick of seeing him by now this is the only thing I still notice; my focus goes right to it.
And not to get all collectivist but America in general is failing our children. It’s almost a crime. Apparently we have children out there who are afraid to go to school, who think that their schools are not safe, that there is a more than vanishing danger that they will fall victim to one of these “school mass shootings.” And adults, instead of seeing it as their job to assuage the irrational fears of children, they are the source of these fears. And in fact it would be unvirtuous to do otherwise. (As well as to seriously try to avoid allowing these narcissistic mass shooters the power they seek in turning the country upside down literally with the pull of a finger.) It’s unconscionable what’s being done to these kids! How are they going to grow up in this atmosphere?
Of course, it’s really all just the culmination of the neurotic-parent, moral-panicky attitude that has been creeping in for decades now. Like I keep saying, until we start to do some damage against the culture of fear at its root, the moral panic way of thinking, we will score at most superficial victories against the creeping, smothering, oh-so-comforting ever-tightening embrace of Mother Government, here to love and protect us. (And the worst thing is it’s our age cohort that’s doing it! How the fuck did we get to thinking like that? Can you imagine today’s “frightened” kids going to schools as they were back in our day?)
But I think the NRA, at least through Dana Loesch, has finally started to push back against the mass-shooter narrative itself a bit. Fingers crossed, because 2A rights will lose otherwise in the long term.
His campaign is working, I bought a commemorative David Hogg Vepr 12 shotgun today. Kind of like the Bill Clinton commemorative AR-15 parts kit I bought back in ’93
nice
Yeah, I’ve been thinking about making a donation to the NRA in his name, actually. He definitely has inspired me to not only buy a bunch of ammo from Freedom Munitions this weekend but also to get my C&R license. I’m actually considering getting a full-on FFL.
We’re starting to look at rural land for recreation now and eventually building a retirement or vacation home. Must of what we’ve found that fits our criteria has been in hilly areas. My main concern is my ability to evaluate the property for home construction. Things like a basement, proper drainage, susceptibility to flooding, well water and septic considerations, how much flat area I need, etc.
Where is this?
The one we want to go check out next is Athens, OH on the Hocking River. We haven’t driven out there yet but I do know from the map that its on a hill. Not sure how much flat area there is but the current owner had put in a driveway up to a potential home site.
Beautiful area. If internet and cell reception are important, check those while you’re there.
The lot is next to a Cell Tower:).
I hope it’s one dressed up like an absurd looking tree!
We have those here but I don’t think this one is. Might drive out there tomorrow.
39.329202, -82.020268
The first thing that popped in my head is soil type. Here we have awful ground. Some of the clays are plastic as hell even when dry – it’s impossible to put a slab on that stuff. Some of the clays expand and contract incredible amounts with moisture content. I dont know if that is an issue there. That will be the biggest factor on how sound it is to build on a hill.
https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=su%3ASoils+Ohio+Athens+County+Maps.&qt=hot_subject
I forget what county it is but somewhere in central texas they have a clay that expands and contracts with moisture so much the ground can rise and fall over a foot before and after a rain. Every building there falls to pieces in no time.
It’s the anti-Manhattan!
Sounds like the Badlands of Southern Alberta. Bentonite clay’s a PITA.
Thanks Suthen, I’ll look at that. The soil in Ohio typically doesn’t have near the Clay content as the south. That’s probably the reason we can only find wooded acreage on hills:). All the trees on flat land are cleared for farming. My big concern with hillside is if I’m not building at the top, what happens to the water coming from above the house. Also causes concerns about soil erosion which could also impact putting in a basement.
what happens to the water coming from above the house.
Grade the area around the house so the water goes elsewhere. Not a big deal I think. Basements can be put anywhere above the water table as far as I know. Even when they aren’t, sump pumps work from what I have seen. Until they don’t. The thing around here in ski towns where only those evil 1%’rs can afford to buy is buying an old house, lifting it, excavating, forming and then pouring a basement under it and then setting it back down on their now doubled square footage. Super expensive and I have heard from trades people they were doing it all winter in Telluride.
As far as swelling soils go, (which we have around here) piers are your friend. People have built on hillsides forever unless the hill is sliding it is a non issue or maybe a more expensive one. Anything can be built anywhere for the right price.
Thanks western, good info.
Blue Clay delayed construction at a commercial site not far from me.
glib meetup location confirmed.
Yeah, could do a big campout if I buy that land! There’s actually a few good breweries nearby as well:)
Build a bunker instead, then you don’t need flat land 😉
Have you contacted Vault-Tec? Space in a Vault is both affordable and safe.
I’m not going to live with smelly vault dwellers; I’m gonna have me one of them fancy bunkers you can only find by listening to radio.
Would like both:)
Been following these guys since 2005: http://www.formworksbuilding.com/
If/when I build something in the NW, I’m definitely planning on going with this kinda concept.
My wife would love a hobbit house:)
Beautiful decks! I’m looking at my own and am insanely jealous. Luckily the wife isn’t seeing the pics.
Had a professional “deck guy” replace rotten boards for T&E. Would not rehire him or his crew.
Thanks, Gus. You gotta watch those “professional” deck guys, before the housing bust, I used to joke that every jackass with a pickup truck was a deck builder. Around here they haven’t come back yet, seems that now lawn care is the big thing. If you have a pickup, a mower, and a weed whacker you’re in business. Whatever happened to teenagers pushing their mowers up the street trying to earn some arcade money?
/”kids these days” rant that I usually scoff at.
I thought that Mexicans did the landscaping in essentially every town in America by now.
Lotta Vietnamese doing it around here.
If I ever have a boat that needs work I know I’m going to either them or the Cubans.
Some vagrant-looking guy shuffled up to me and tried to give me his business card the other day, if “I’m looking to do some work on my house or know someone who is”. That’s a new one to me.
Careful, local nogoodniks in my area do a bit where they’ll offer to do yardwork for you while you’re at work, giving them a reason to be in your yard during the day, casing your house and eventually burglarizing it. A number of houses around me have been broken into as part of that scam.
Yeah… there was zero chance I was going to take him up on any offers. I mean, he looked like a bum. Also, I don’t own a house or a yard.
What’s your feeling on natural wood vs. composite decks?
If you’re talking standard treated pine decking versus the composites, the composites win hand down, less maintenance and better longevity, but they cost a ton and if you can afford them you may also be able to afford redwood or mahogany or one of the other exotics that seem to pop up every year or so as the ‘new’ deck wood. I personally like the look of those real wood decks but they cost as much or more than the composite and require more maintenance and depending on where you are you may not even be able to get them. I wanted to repair some redwood deck chairs I’ve had forever and I can’t get the boards I need.
Cool. I’m looking at materials for a deck and I’m leaning toward composite just because the dry air + the altitude wrecks wood so quickly.
Redwood
I don’t think redwood leaves the state of CA anymore. I see it occasionally here but wow is it expensive. Back in the 70/80’s all decks were built out of redwood. Awesome wood for decks.
My brother used to build docks, many years ago; one extremely deep-pocketed client had them use ipe for the decking. Holy smokes, is that dense.
While I’ve had clients happily pay a bit more for my labor for fancy railings I have never had one pony up for the really nice wood, one day I’ll get a shop set up and get into custom furniture and the like…one day..(sigh)
There’s an opening in the market for Gaming Tables.
Of course, shipping them is expensive, geeks can be notoriously cheap, and it’s a niche market.
Speaking of gaming tables, after one of your board game posts I ordered some live edge slabs big enough for a Crokinole table, They just came in ( a little undersized, unfortunately) when I get a chance I’m going to make a few, I’m thinking of documenting the process and writing it up if there’s any interest, admittedly it’ll be hard to add a liberty angle to building a board game but being a libertine means not giving an rat’s ass about those kind of details.
Hah…..nice. I so wanted to build one of those after Neph’s article. Very cool. Write it up. Are you going to route in some inlays and the like?
I’d be interested. But I did order a board from Mayday Games for $150. It was supposed to ship in March/April, but I’m still waiting on it as June quickly approaches.
Hyp, you have an eye for decorative railings. Beautiful!
Agreed.
Yes. Forgot to mention my compliments to the contractor! It is indeed very sharp.
Thanks, Mad Sean Diego.
Ooooh! “Mad Sean Diego”! Me likey! Great bandito name!
Thanks for these Hyp. I’ve remodeled a couple houses and built two. I enjoy *reading* about it, but I made sure the house we’re living in now needed no work. And now my wife says she doesn’t like the deck and I should do something about it. I do like the angled ballisters.
I love the one in the middle on the bottom row. How do you put it together? No pieces span either the width or the height.
That’s always been one of my favorites as well, probably the second hardest to build. luckily, unlike most houses, that only had the front porch deck so you’re seeing 75% of the railing, much more and I don’t think I would have done it. I had to more or less put the ‘baluster’ part together using a jig and a lot of pre-drilling and screws and then fit each section into the rails and posts.
Thx. I figured it was something like that. It’s a small deck, but I really don’t want to put a lot of effort into it.
Jigs are the key to life.
Racist
OT: From the department of overwrought, breathless hyper-exaggeration.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2018/05/25/matthews-guest-claim-fox-news-wants-americans-hate-each-other-nfl
NFL’s new National Anthem policy is “apartheid”. Just like Trump is literally Hitler and having to pay for your own healthcare is probably the Holocaust or something.
I didn’t know that standing for the national anthem is racial segregation…
Conditions must be rapidly improving in the NFL because last I heard the position of the “owners” profiting off the physical prowess of their young black men in the field was evocative of… well, you get the picture.
From the party of identity politics. It really is all projection all of the time with them. It is to the point of being ridiculous.
Imagine having a job where you have to sit around and watch CNN all day….
I made the mistake of reading that entire article. Holy shit is that a steamin’ heapin’ helpin’ of crazy. They really are unhinged.
Ronaldo, tongue-in-cheek or asshole:
“Who was the top scorer once again? The Champions League should change and be called the CR7 Champions League. I have won five and I am the goalscorer again, so I cannot be sad.”
Asshole. Always asshole.
Yeah, just when you think he’s reached peak asshole, he goes one better (or worse).
He’s been the reigning asshole of soccer for going on a decade… why stop now. Zlatan gave him some serious competition for a few years before failing down to LA but alas.
If it was anyone but Liverpool I would not have even watched. I loathe every person connected to Real fucking Madrid from the manager on down.
My antipathy toward Liverpool, born in the 1970s and stoked through decades of hatred, was laid aside for today. I was disappointed they didn’t win.
You probably like The Sun too, don’t you?
Nope. I didn’t know anything about it until I heard people hear. I looked it up and now have joined the boycott in sympathy.
Also, Yes Minister explains The Sun – and other papers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M
Wasn’t Liverpool famous for something else besides soccer? I know it was something.
Atomic Kitten
I don’t know them but I bet Ladytron can kick their ass.
Speaking of Gunz my High School in the decades past used to have a gun club! And this is in Toronto mind you! Seems unbelievable. Shows how successful Canada’s gun grabbers are and how the American ones can succeed. By stigmatizing it then there won’t be politicians, academics or judges willing to defend an “obsolete” right in the future…
Which school, W? I went to Gordon Graydon Memorial Secondary (Mississauga) for a couple of grades before moving to Alberta, back in the 70s. Don’t remember a gun club there, but my Dad used to do his own shotshell re-loading, and there certainly wasn’t the pearl-clutching around guns that there is now.
Leaside High. Before my time. I think it was the 70s?
Naming a school after a PC House Leader? Surprised they still allow that.
Damn near fifty years ago, mang. Different times.
I am actually surprised that Canada doesn’t still have H.S. shooting clubs. In the early 80s New York had a state rifle championship with 75 districts fielding teams; they just kind of petered out for some reason; HS kids from schools with clubs still compete in the Empire State Games shooting sports. And I just found out Chicago had 33 schools with teams when the city superintendent abruptly shut them down in 2000, stating that guns had no place in schools. (Shooting ranges themselves are now banned in Chicago, of course. Except for the police, of course. Who don’t use them much, of course. Also alderman are technically cops by city law, which enables them to carry sidearms which are banned for everyone else. You should read some of their impassioned self-defense rhetoric when their carry privileges, unique in this country, are called into question.) Anyway, I’d think up north they wouldn’t think much about having such a team.
. . . I’d think up north they wouldn’t think much about having such a team.
Two words: Wendy Cukier.
That is all.
My Illinois high school had a rifle team when I attended, and a shooting range in the basement of the school. I graduated in 1978.
Kids would come off the school bus carrying their rifles in cases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-GxIoQPXPg
Anti-SJW complaining about the Last Jedi. Eat your heart out!
I will make two interesting observations: First he complains about Hollywood’s “anti-family, anti-marriage agenda” as if this is something new and not something that has been lobbed at Hollywood literally since it started. Second the guy appears to be an Irish atheist so him saying things right out of the Moral Majority playbook is…interesting.
I wonder what he thinks about the Eighth repeal. Yeah, I’m still thinking about it. Trying to get my mind off it.
Oh that guy. Yeah as soon as you said Irish anti-SJW who sounds like a socon but isn’t technically and likes to review movies and shit I should have known who you were talking about.
Glibertarians aren’t socons yet they seem to approve of the “move out when you are 18/22” mindset which is a key part of the “nuclear family” that socons support.
I’m neither a socon nor religious but it’s hard to argue against the “breakdown of the family” stuff that’s central to a lot of their arguments. A lot of people seem to be willingly blinding themselves to the obvious symptoms of it that are all around them. So yeah… “moral majority anti-SJW atheist” doesn’t sound odd to me at all.
Also I’m sure in Ireland the “breakdown of the family” talk is heavily associated with the Catholic Church and its role in Irish life so an atheist saying similar things is interesting…
Also “Culture War”! See Libertarians are engaging in their own culture war! And they seemed to dismiss all “breakdown of the family” talk since it was made by socons and bible thumpers.
Yeah, I don’t doubt it. I’m just sayin’ the Church doesn’t have a monopoly on that kind of thing. And just because I disagree with them on a lot of things doesn’t mean I dismiss everything they say. Yeah, preaching to the choir I know, but a lot of people do exactly that and it disgusts me.
Given the atrocious, abusive tyranny that the Church wielded over the South for decades because of that POS de Valera’s perverse vision of statecraft, I wouldn’t have been surprised to see this kind of non-religious social conservatism be weak as fuck and everybody be some sort of crazy libertine. Speaks well of people like him. I even remember there was a prominent gay figure there who campaigned hard against the gay marriage amendment. He felt strongly about gays having actual liberty, but felt it was accomplished and that gay marriage was bad public policy for Ireland. I’d have (reluctantly, as I’ve always explained) voted Yes myself on that, but I always have a lot of respect for people with the courage and farsightedness to have that kind of quirky integrity.
Interesting. Isn’t Fianna Fail traditionally the more anti-clerical party and the Church supported the treaty?
So you’re saying that some libertarians threw the baby with the bathwater because of their support of one side of the culture war that they supposedly think is a useless squabble?
Also I think the whole social conservative/social liberal dichotomy is a good example of a overly romanticized and simplistic look at 1960s/70s America. Socons were traditionally associated with Catholics and Southern Baptists. These two groups were traditionally Democrats. And they were opposed by Mainline Northern Protestants who were traditionally Republicans. Modern Progressives owe quite a lot to those Mainline Northern Protestants whose social reform ethos was not about “leaving people alone”.
And since Trump is messing up this 1960/70s paradigm we now see these modern-day “social liberals” don’t want to “leave people alone” and never did frankly…
“social liberalism” has always meant welfare state and gun control. Always…
I’m not saying anything about libertarians specifically.
I’m saying that a lot of people in general refuse to consider positions on their merits because they don’t like the source. If anything, libertarians seem less likely to do that.
Another thing that annoys me is the tendency to assume that the Puritans were “conservative” when they thought the Church of England was too Catholic and were very opposed to the established Church, Monarchy and Aristocracy. Their morality was very much an attack on the morality of the upper classes.
The Church has indeed long been deeply suspicious of modern nationalism for obvious reasons, and especially back then barely disguised its opposition. This was quite disappointing wherever a Catholic nationality was being oppressed–including religiously oppressed–by its non-Catholic overlords. To take another prominent example, Polish nationalists had high hopes but the Church basically said to them, be loyal subjects of the czar, let your Catholicism be your expression of “Polishness,” don’t mess with this Jacobin shit. If he oppresses you turn the other cheek and be defiant in your faith; that is your resistance. And so forth. So you can imagine the Church has never been a big fan of Irish Republicanism, given what it is!
Anyway yeah what de Valera turned Ireland into was obviously not what a lot of the anti-Treatyites had in mind that they were fighting for, even the “moderate” sellout splinter led by de Valera. But that was who he was, what his vision was. It went far beyond Catholicism. But then most modern “political Catholicism” does.
I’d be really surprised if Reason, Cato or the Richman/Long Left-Libertarians have published anything admitting the Socons have ever had a reasonable point.
I just realized the above probably gives the impression that my political sympathies are the reverse of what they are. In fact I am not at all hostile to Catholicism, but extremely hardline Unionist in my British politics. But then, I’m an American. Naturalize a half million non-Irish-descended Catholics from America (or for that matter England, or perhaps anywhere else on Earth) and they’d vote DUP without even thinking twice about it; they’d win every election. I think only an Irishman can possibly understand how a Catholic could ever dream of voting for
Sinn Féin, let alone how it could be the party for “hardline Catholics.”
Far as I’ve seen, the C4SS crowd is in general far more thoughtful, principled, insightful, certainly more austere, and in general just plain better libertarians than the cosmo/ political libertarian crowd, to say nothing of the overt “libertarianish” sellouts (whose overtness I actually have a sort of perverse respect for, compared to those with more pretense) at Niskanen. In any case the two don’t really resemble each other very much.
I think the C4SS folks are mostly quasiproggy in their weird instinct for knee-jerk solidarity with the “woke” crowd. And I think they view this as a part of the radical heritage of the left-anarchist movement. The anarchists were the original “intersectional” thinkers, declaring all sorts of cultural radicalism and opposition to all sorts of oppression long before the Frankfurt School and the New Left, back when Marxists were anything but “woke” because their rigid class-and-only-class framework did not permit them to be radical in that way or to recognize these other sorts of oppressions. And the c4ss folks hold their left anarchist heritage very tightly to the bosom indeed–perhaps more so given their market/individualist orientation. They must differentiate themselves from the ancaps. Hence they are anti-anti-antifa and so forth. (Again, even orthodox Marxist groups have taken the side of the beleaguered professors in the schools, declaring wokeness to be a bougie anti-working class plot.) There’s a lot of intellectual interplay between the most radical anarchists and libertarians on the left and right, which again are both about as far from cosmos as you get, but it seems socially these are how the lines must be drawn right now. This isn’t the 1970s.
(Not that I have any great affection for c4ss by the way. Left anarchists are some of the most extremist, obsessed, ugly anti-Zionists you will ever encounter outside overt racist circles. The worst socialists have nothing on them.)
Well, we are unusual. Even among libertarians, the amount of people who are not overt Old Right types, Hoppites, various kinds of explicit “anti-libertines” or overt social reactionaries in some way, yet who are not utterly petrified of looking the slightest bit socon, or that they do not utterly loathe them, is minuscule. Matter of fact, most of us may be gathered right here! (John is actually a sort of blend of libertarian and conventional conservative, which he sometimes essentially says overtly but sometimes not, so he does not really count.) In fact, it was much of the raison d’être of this site, if I’m not mistaken.
Most of you are probably pro-choice, and nearly all of you anti-death penalty, but none of you freaked out at the revelation that I was hardcore the opposite direction. I got more freakouts for saying I don’t regret voting for Obama in 2008. (Before we start that up again, I believe there’s no sin in voting for the lesser evil no matter how evil, and I remain convinced McCain would have started an actual war with Russia.)
I lean pro-life and anti-death penalty. Go figure. Maybe some of that Sunday schoolin’ leaked through after all. Nah, I kid. I arrived at those positions myself over many years.
Exactly the same here. I didn’t need no stinkin’ church to tell me that killing is bad.
Even among libertarians, the amount of people who are not overt Old Right types, Hoppites, various kinds of explicit “anti-libertines” or overt social reactionaries in some way, yet who are not utterly petrified of looking the slightest bit socon, or that they do not utterly loathe them, is minuscule.
Prepare for a Just Say’n rant.
I’m in New York, so it was a foregone conclusion Obama was carrying the state, and I could vote third-party with a clear conscience.
He’s not in favor of it. He did a video about it this morning.
Here.
This sounds like it might make “Piss Christ” actually seem to have artistic value by comparison.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-punk-rock-porn-movie-that-lays-waste-to-the-patriarchy?ref=scroll
Calling this “porn” seems inappropriate since porn is something people ostensibly want to watch.
Pass.
I’m surprised. That cast is manlier than probably half the performers in the porn you watch, Rhy.
*looks over shoulder*
Same. I’ll pass.
“The Misandrists”
It’s the Republicans who want us to hate each other.
It’s porn. Badass man hating pussy licking lesbos is hardly a dick-wilting concept. The execution is not good, of course. Shockingly enough, when you start from an ideological premise, though, you don’t end up with something that is hot. Brazzers’s take on this concept, for example, would probably not look much like this.
Though maybe this is hot porn for women to watch, I don’t know. My understanding is women are a lot more variegated and hard for us to get a handle on. Most don’t like porn at all. Some like soft-focus Vivid Video shit. Others like two dudes together–especially lesbians for some reason, that’s how hard women are to understand. And others, especially the ones who feel more culturally aware or more hipsterish, at least claim to get off on this kind of conceptual shit.
It isnt just the movie it is the TDB showcasing it because it ‘smashes the patriarchy’.
Yeah, that and the word “transgressive” just makes my eyes do a 360.
Mirth & Girth was transgressive. (It was also 30 years ago; god I’m getting old.) However, it transgressed against the wrong people so it was not praised for its daringness.
Sigh.
I was thinking “ya whatever, I would watch it” and then I read……
That sentence made me cringe in horror. I really don’t care if an adult wants to do that um, surgery, but no no no I do not want to see it.
I saw an old Nancy Drew movie on TCM a few nights back. There is a scene where Nancy wants to test fire a gun that she thinks is a murder weapon. She and her boyfriend go out of town since she says there is an law against shooting guns in the city. And this was regarded as inoffensive teenage fluff 80 years ago…
Also Ned Nickerson was changed to Ted Nickerson because supposedly the writers thought “Ned” was too gay a name.
I built my deck out of treated 2x6s a few months ago. It’s 14×18 with a shingle roof over it. I spent around 1800 dollars on the lumber. It wasn’t cheap.
Mine is considerably larger and some of the frame needs replacing as well. I figure it will be around 5K and a lot of ass busting all summer. Deck screws aint cheap either.
Very nice deck Hyperbole. That’s fancier than the only one I built.
I have built many decks for Mobile Homes, but I built this one to level a spa, 8×8, 200$ at the time in 2015,
https://photos.app.goo.gl/N6feBIssT9LnYob23
Well, on my drive back from CO. (posted from Ohare a few nights ago). Picked up an antique chest (not sure how old, heard a few different stories from family) that was originally purchased in Ecuador by my grandparents before being shipped home a few decades ago – ironwork is definitely antique, not so sure about the wood – but it needs a lot of work and my relatives don’t have space for it (I can definitely use it if I can get it tidied up a bit).
Got pulled over by a state trooper in Kansas today – seems to be have been a combo of “swerving” while I was lane changing to avoid other pulled over vehicles (as in “tired” at 1030 in the morning East of Hays) — and being a rental minivan coming out of Colorado. Box was completely empty so pretty much a non-issue, but I chat things up a LOT when I’m nervous. Apparently it’s surprising to see people who enjoy long cross-country drives during holiday weekends….whatever. Either way, no issues, but it’s weird for being randomly pulled over the first time in 5 or 6 years.
Probably wanted to make sure you weren’t bringing any of that devil weed out of Colorado.
MMMM, Devil weed……..
Nonsense. Everyone knows the Devil does use the Interstate Highways to move weed from Colorado to Georgia, where he is the major supplier, but everyone also knows he is not so foolish as to use ornate antique chests. He packs them into violins, which (along with their precious-metal composition) is why they sound so crappy–which of course has the added bonus of making it look slightly less obvious when he loses sham “competitions” to local backwoods hicks.
Neph, does the person I’m shipping to know it’s me who is shipping? or is it somewhat anonymous?
I would like to send a note to them after I ship, IYKWIM
/Felt like Christmas packing up goodies 🙂
No, they don’t know who is shipping to them. But feel free to send a message and communicate however you wish. Each person just got their assignment as to who they’re shipping to. No information was passed back the other way. I’m the only one who know who is shipping to each person, and the only time I’ll reveal that information is if someone doesn’t ship.
cool thanks
You mean hoping he was. I am sure the states surrounding legal pot states are making a fortune seizing the property of anyone dumb enough to drive over the line with pot in the car. I am surprised they haven’t set up road blocks like the border patrol does.
There was a sheriff’s department in western Nebraska that was the subject of a boo-hoo story a year or two back by a midwestern newspaper (Omaha maybe). Basically, the sheriff’s argument was: people speed through our county, and we have to stop them, and we keep smelling marijuana, and so we have to search the cars, then we have to lock them up. AND, we don’t have enough money to build more jail space for all these drug fiends. So either (i) force CO to change laws or (ii) give us more money.
Surprisingly, most the comments on the paper’s website were anti-sheriff.
Even if what he was saying was true, I’ve got a solution: stick to worrying about your county. The state patrol can take care of I80.
Nebraska has so few people in it maybe the Coloradans can start sending “jayhawks” to settle western Nebraska and force and win a weed referendum, Bleeding Kansas style (minus the homicide), so they can join the party. Problem solved.
But will it turn Nebraska blue the way Californicators are turning Colorado blue?
That was the implication. Seemed to take an awful long time to run my license. But then again, I don’t have that much experience with that.
Idaho State Police ait on the borders waiting for beaters with Oregon and Colorado license plates to drive by. There’s always a chance there will be 40-50# of weed in the trunk.
Are you even allowed to buy that much weed as a Colorado consumer? That kind of shit sounds more like California in the gray market “medical” days. Colorado sounds like the kind of place that would regulate the fuck out of weed and do so more and more with each year.
I don’t know the amount you are allowed to buy for sure, but I think an ounce(?) Definitely not 50lbs. Too lazy to google and I have only bought legal weed once. Less than 4g and I still have over half of it. I don’t smoke often and forget I have it.
Ok I searched….
From: https://www.coloradopotguide.com/marijuana-laws-in-colorado/
When I was younger I once had a mental block for some reason and couldn’t come up with “lumber yard” in front of a friend of my friend, and blurted out “you know, the – uh – wood store”.
For many years after that, every time I crossed paths with that guy, I would inevitably hear “oh look, it’s the wood store guy”.
In other words, your article today triggered me. Thanks for the microaggression.
That’s probably going to foliow you around now. You might as well go ahead and change your handle to TheWoodStoreGuy.
TWSG it is.
Yeah, friends are like that. I’m not going to share any of the many brain farts I’ve had over the years.
I will:
I was listing off dairy products to someone and I mentioned eggs, and he asked me why I considered eggs a dairy product. For some fucking reason, I blurted out “because they come from cows”.
Ban assault eggplants!
https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/05/23/15/14/angelo-russo-murder-accused-blames-gunfire-on-eggplant
I guess we know who doesn’t read the Mourning Lynx.
The lynx was mourning because you touch yourself.