It seems the word of the last two years, if not the last decade, is “polarizing.” The media runs countless stories about how polarized the country has become, with each segment of the media casting political opponents as the cause of the polarization. I do not deny that some people in our society espouse extreme or outrageous viewpoints; such is a known risk when freedom of speech and freedom of conscience make up the framework of our governing philosophy. But despite a few oddballs and whack jobs, I think we find that most people, whether conservative or progressive, hold beliefs that are not irrational. The polarization, then, comes from opponents misrepresenting the other side’s views to their own bases. So rather than finding common ground to have a dialogue we are left with hysterical screaming in defense of or against some view or another. This is my attempt to cut through some of the screaming to help each side understand the other a little better in three specific areas: immigration, education, and wealth/poverty gap.
I read a story like this about MS-13 attracting girls to their ranks–and yes, it’s Salvadorans and not Mexicans–and the very real truth is that there are violently-minded people illegally immigrating to the United States. To deny that is naïvete at best and utter mendacity at worst. Some of these girls are driven to MS-13 or affiliated gangs because of some past trauma, but only a dyed-in-the-wool progressive would argue that assimilation to American culture radicalized them.
Still, not every immigrant that comes to this country illegally is ready to behead someone or stab a man 153 times with fellow gang members watching and laughing. In fact, many come here in spite of the danger that illegal entry presents because the opportunities continue to be far better than what they can achieve in their countries of origin. Even the risk of deportation and a lifetime ban from re-entering the United States (which means leaving other family and even offspring behind) does not deter many who just want to provide for themselves and their families. A new documentary series on Netflix called Ugly Delicious, produced by renowned chef David Chang, explores this very issue in its second episode on tacos.
In a similar vein, but on the topic of education instead of immigration, my wife and I were discussing some of the students in her class last week. She seems to have quite a few bad apples this year, but one girl in particular stands out. This girl failed sixth grade last year and was actually held back to repeat the sixth grade again (shocking in Chicago Public Schools!), and is now in danger of failing again. My wife says the girl’s mom has to work 2-3 jobs and crazy hours just to provide for her daughter, and the mother was in tears about what to do since she can’t be home to watch the girl do her homework every night. The girl attends a magnet school but chooses to hang out after school with kids that go to the much worse neighborhood school. Basically, the girl is a textbook case of total apathy toward education (and life in general), even with a mother who wants her to become something more.
Many people believe education is so important that it should be provided for free to students at taxpayer expense. And I agree that education is vitally important. But progressives who demand public subsidizing of education deny the existence of students like the one in my wife’s classroom. When my wife has to focus more attention on this girl and other students who are not interested in learning, it holds back the potential of many others in the class. The “Education is a Right!” crowd would have us believe that every student has an innate desire to learn and the only thing preventing them from doing so is a lack of money or profit-seeking charter schools. (In fact, the latter may actually address the needs of apathetic students more by giving them a school to be proud of. See The Ron Clark Academy, for example.)
I think the other side, however, plays up the apathy or entitlement a bit too much. There are plenty of students who grow up in homes where education is not valued, but with the right teacher or educational environment they could thrive. Unfortunately, our system rewards teachers based on tenure and not on merit, creating a structure that chews up and spits out young and inspiring teachers who can reinvigorate apathetic students with a passion for education. Meanwhile, thousands, tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of jaded teachers clock in at 7:30 and clock out at 2:30 just so they can collect a paycheck and employee benefits that are funded by the taxpayer, and care little for the time and attention it takes to nurture a student’s desire for learning.
With public education, most families are at a complete loss when assigning value to their kids’ education because they do not have any direct costs. On the other hand, they know how much their groceries cost; they can see how expensive refueling the car is. They even know, for the most part, how expensive a new car or cell phone is (although there are a lot of hidden fees in those contracts that can ensnare the unsuspecting buyer). But when it comes to education, people have accepted the belief that education is “free,” and therefore they assign no value to it. It’s just something one has to do, going through the motions from K-12 and beyond because society tells us its important.
A final example of the polarizing extremes that people ascribe to their opponents comes from personal finances. One side believes that all wealth is inherited and every millionaire only got where he or she is by stepping on others. Dave Ramsey, on his national radio show, disproves this theory regularly with a segment he calls “The Millionaire Theme Hour.” He asks millionaires–those whose net worth is over one million dollars–to call in and asks a series of questions about how they obtained their wealth. Only a tiny fraction of callers received any inheritance, and for those who did it was a paltry sum from a family member who died well after they were already self-made millionaires. By and large, the secret to success is, wait for it… spending less than you make!
The other side, however, categorizes the poor and downtrodden as lazy, dumb, or victims of divine judgment. There is a common perception that because most successful people have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, anyone who is struggling must not be working hard enough. Although free markets and laissez faire government offer the best economic opportunity for people to rise from nothing to something, reality intrudes on that idealistic worldview in that some people just get bad breaks. Whether they are immigrants whose options are limited because of their legal status, or they come from a family of under-educated individuals, or they just have unplanned expenses continue to assault their monthly income, life has plenty of people who can’t get ahead.
Ultimately, the solution to all of these situations–immigration, education, poverty–lies not in either of the extremes, but in looking past the collective and at the individual. A system that cares more about enabling hungry, driven, and dedicated individuals to thrive will prosper far more than one that seeks only to sustain a lower class in poverty. If we focus on providing incentives to make good decisions rather than making decisions for others, we will prosper. This means that some people will continue to make bad decisions, and we have to be okay with that. We–as individuals–can show them grace; we can show them compassion and mercy; we can even show them charity and generosity. But if we–as a society–continue to enable people to coast instead of strive to succeed, everyone suffers.
To be sure.
“looking past the collective and at the individual.”
Sounds polarizing.
Generic brand truly is History’s Greatest Monster with all his talk about individuality and logical argumentation
The UK government killed a kid a few weeks ago because his medical bills were kind of high and letting him get treated in Italy would look bad.
Last weekend they spend $45 million on the wedding of Dianna’s illegitimate kid to a Hollywood divorcee.
Spending priorities brah…
The royal family has the world’s only literal welfare queen.
For the cognitive dissonance that exists in the American mind, one need look no further than your typical doomsday fiction, wherein the fate of humanity lies in the quandary of whether to sacrifice one person for the collective good.
Almost invariably, that decision is to not sacrifice the individual and the public eats it up. Yet, every damned day, the same public votes to sacrifice individuals in the name of the common good, one dollar at a time, one sugary drink at a time, one nicotine stick at a time.
Faced with bad statistics and anecdotes, the American public nails the individual to the Cross of the Public Good every damned time.
People watch fiction to escape reality.
Well put. Makes me want to write the story as people live it and throw it in their faces.
Say polarized again! Say it again, I dare you, I double dare you!
Stay polarized my friend.
POLARIZED AIN’T NO COUNTRY I EVER HEARD OF
LANCE
“Now this is Panda, from Mexico.
Very good stuff. This is Bava,
different, but equally good. And
this is Choco from the Hartz
Mountains of Germany. Now the
first two are the same, forty-five
an ounce — those are friend prices
— but this one…
(pointing to the Choco)
…this one’s a little more
expensive. It’s fifty-five. But
when you shoot it, you’ll know
where that extra money went.
Nothing wrong with the first two.
It’s real, real, real, good shit.
But this one’s a fuckin’ madman.”
This is me. Just replace heroin with coffee.
Thank god it was not the scene in the basement of that store with the gimp….
I didn’t say that was the ONLY scene I identified with…
That comes after he’s had his first cup of coffee.
BRING OUT THE GIMP!
Many people believe education is so important that it should be provided for free to students at taxpayer expense.
Education is much too important to leave to government.
I’ve mentioned my mother, the former English teacher, a time or three. She was a superb instructor, but precisely the sort of person administrators hated most: she had standards and held her students to them. This resulted in a lot of angry phone calls from parents who wanted As, not an education. Mom fought with administration for decades until she couldn’t do it anymore. I’m certain they sighed in relief when she quit.
“Public education” is about as sensible as “down escalator” or “jumbo shrimp.”
“military intelligence”
You know, that one is a #$%&ing leftover from MASH episodes. Can you point to a particular MI failure you experienced? Was it a common occurrence? Did you ever get good info from your MI person?
It’s a fucking joke. Not a very good one, I concur, but come on. At least I didn’t say anything about Methodists.
The real joke was in high school I took the ASVAB and it said my optimal specialty would be Military Intelligence.
Mine was Nuclear Engineer. I could have been a real life Homer Simpson! Oh well, live and learn.
I can’t remember what mine was. Comedian, I’m sure.
If I’m going to be fair, I do have the sort of personality that is well suited to data analysis and parsing disparate fragmentary information to piece together what’s going on. (Which may explain why it feels like I’m the only damn troubleshooter here).
Lawyer.
/dodged bullet
My optimal life career was supposed to be “Explosive Ordinance Technician, Military.” Hand to God.
I still think the Mythbusters stole my career path.
No, they key saying some variation of “That’s classified”
/civillian
I’ve rarely gotten good ‘intelligence’ from MI guys. Great information at times, because they have access to good assets, but usually dumbed down parsing of that information that any combat arms NCO/JO could come up with better answers to.
The ‘intel’ part is supposed to be ‘what does this information mean’.
Our S2 shop at battalion level wasn’t that great but quite frankly, we were ADA so it didn’t matter nearly as much as the accuracy of the Meteorology Section to our job performance. On the division level (7th ID (Light)), all of the NCO threat briefings I attended from about 1990 onward kept pimping the Korean Peninsula as the location for the next major US warzone.
Wait, she didn’t want to hand all the snowflakes a participation trophy like most people do these days?
Personally I tell a lot of the people asking why so many kids go bonkers and shoot up schools how much that has to do with these kids not being equipped to deal with the brutality of real life and wanting to take it out on others, in our participation trophy society..
How do you know she was superb? /ducks.
Not to mention that most people will not treat stuff they get for free as anything of value to begin with…
Hence the graffiti all over this place
Oh, never mind. That’s not graffiti; it’s comments by Pope Jimbo.
I was expecting an article on extreme sports athletes on either side of the political spectrum 🙁
The headline specified “extremes,” not Xtremes.
I was expecting a more final resolution to the issue.
All these intermediate solutions. Feh.
I have a theory*
the degree of polarization we currently experience is not ‘weird’ at all. it is in fact, the normal state of affairs that existed for hundreds of years …
..before television. and before the Cold War.
my argument is basically that the TV and Cold War combined to form a bizarre condition by which huge “normalizing” incentives were created
think of how Fallout games mock cold-war propaganda and the 1950s stereotypes; on a certain level its just a cute cultural observation, but on another, its a very prescient insight into the way media transformed social consciousness. This is basically 80% of McLuhan’s point in “Understanding Media” – that technology has effects on how we frame all of our thoughts and how we relate to subject matter. the media organizes (or disorganizes) the context.
so – between 1950 and 1990 there was this huge centralizing, clustering, normalizing incentive. What changed in 1990? the cold war ended. we no longer had any central political idea which existed in existential opposition to the USA. While TV still held dominance, the glue of “communists want to destroy your world” was gone.
Cable also became a thing; and with competing outlets vying for attention, what could you use to attract audiences? Guess who arrived around this time? FOX
In the immediate wake of the cold war, news media no longer had any real reason to hew to some fake ‘we’re all in this together’ narrative. There needed to be some other ways to motivate people, and tribal identity was the next obvious choice.
“oh gilmore, you just gab like this but you have no empirical evi….”
measures of political polarization roughly hew to exactly the time frames i discuss; they drop before wwII, and dont rise to pre-wwII levels until the late 1980s
I could go on. media viewing has similar patterns.
point is basically that “polarization” isn’t unusual. what was unusual was the mass-media effect of the mid 20th century
They drop during the teens and 20s and are basically bottomed out by FDR’s second term.
So what happened in 1908?
Old Man with Candy was born?
AD, not BC!
If this is OMWC shouldn’t that be (((BCE)))?
Tunguska?
^^This. That micro black hole targeting Siberia really plastered us, man.
WWI
polarization drops when you have perception of outside threat
and if i were still making a big deal about the mcluhan-point, i suppose “Radio” would be the added factor
WWI didn’t kick off until 1914, with the pre-exisitng tensions predating 1908. It was largely a European issue, witht he world wide nature being a result of the size of the empires involved.
the inflection point in the data isn’t precise to a specific year. it generally happened around WWI
the reference is to the linked chart above.
iow, ” during the teens “
Eugene Debs runs a 3rd party socialist candidacy and looses to monkey man WIlliam Jenning Bryan, who loses to Howard Taft?
Also, a man named “Philander” came in second in the primary.
The first Model T?
To me the real drop-off on that chart looks like it starts ~1918 (the 1908 drop seems like it was reversing prior), which would neatly align that chart with the external threat of communism portion of Gilmore’s theory. Almost the entirety of the trough fits within the existence of the Soviet Union.
as i alluded to above:
first off, social-science data like “polarization of voting patterns” isn’t univariate measure of some highly-specific objective detail; its based on election cycles in the first place, so pretending that “single year” specificity even matters wildly misunderstands what is being measured.
secondly, as i think you correctly note, what does matter is the “delta” – the rate, depth, degree of change over short-time-frames. the most rapid occur in the windows i pointed at. they don’t happen all at once but the point is explaining why they persist and accelerate in those frames.
iow, the way i would “Read” that data isn’t by trying to look at some specific year and say ‘something significant must have happened’…
it would be to look at 1920-1940 and call that “When range of acceptable political views narrowed”; then 1980-2010 and call that “When political views diverged”
my argument is that there were combination-effects between media and the political landscape that encouraged this narrow period. Mass media, and perception of external existential-threat, specifically
**”its based on election cycles in the first place”
correction: its based on gaps in congressional voting; regardless, the point is that significant change wouldn’t be influenced by any single-year event in any case
I just finished Fallout 4 and it was a real pleasure hacking the Liberty Prime into thinking the Brotherhood of Steel were communists. The airship was subsequently obliterated. Oh, spoiler alert.
The problem is that graph does not support your analysis. It clearly shows polarization climbing from 52 through 68, then leveling off until 1980 when it began to climb and has only ever climbed since then.
Ironically it shows polarization declining during the Presidency of Nixon which you would think would be the opposite but in general the increase in polarization from 52 – 68 is likely almost entirely attributable to the civil rights movement and growing backlash against the Vietnam war. Presumably the civil rights movement was the bigger factor since polarization began to fall after the great society programs of 68 were passed and the Vietnam war didn’t end for another 5 years.
The problem for your theory however is that polarization began to climb with the election of Reagan and not the fall of the Soviet Union. In fact the slope of the graph being unchanged since it began to climb in 80 indicates that the fall of the Soviets had little impact on growing polarization in the US.
I find a better theory is that the combination of the Great Depression and World War 2 forced American Politics into alignment for the survival of the country however with the end of the war and the prosperity it brought that political consensus began to fracture along many lines leading to rapidly increasing polarization and they reached a tipping point in the late 60’s when the political coalitions that made up the nature of the 2 parties in America totally broke down. The next dozen years of political turmoil kept polarization to a minimum because there was no firm identity to either party and it took a charismatic leader in Reagan to give an identity to one of them, the other party then adopted a position in opposition by necessity. With the political identities now fixed the rise in polarization resumed at much the same pace it had in the immediate post war period
So basically you’re Hitler.
Worse than, even.
A kinder, more gentler Hitler.
Now, Zyklon B free!
Warning: includes high levels of Zyklon C.
Hitler gets a passing grade? I swear, the grade inflation around here…
Say what you will about Hitler, at least he killed Hitler.
(blatantly stolen from Insty)
+2 jazz hands
Us versus Them. Since the beginning of Time. Until the end of Time.
Even moral codes like The 10 Commandents mainly applied only within the group although there were certainly some rules/etiqutte that extended to the out group as well particularly guest.
Speaking of polarizing, in a quest for lighthearted entertainment, my wife and I watched Smoky and the Bandit last night. In addition to reminding me how much I wanted to do naughty things to Sally Fields back in the day, I also fondly remembered the genius and political incorrectness of Jackie Gleason:
“that’s what happens when dancers start poontanging around with show tune faggots!”
“There’s no way, no way that you came from my loins. When we get home, the very first thing I’m going to do is punch yo momma in the mouth.”
That’s gold, Jerry. Gold.
I also like the flimsy premise for the movie. “WE NEED COORS!”
Yes, the idea that anyone would go to such lengths to get a truckload of Coors is the most outlandish premise for a movie I’ve ever encountered.
The movie was about smuggling. Coors was just the McGuffin.
Back when Smokey was made the law made it illegal to sell Coors east of Texas. The reason was because of the lack of pasteurization. We lived in AZ and all our WI and IL relatives would beg my parents to bring them Coors when we visited.
Strange but true.
I am aware of this.
I was living in Atlanta when the movie was made. One of my neighbors was Highway Patrol. One of his buddies was sitting in a cruiser out by a highway, when a black TransAm goes screaming by. He was just about to turn on the lights and siren when a trashed cruiser goes screaming by. So he gets on the radio and asks HQ if anything strange is happening out there. Apparently, not everyone was informed that there was a movie being filmed on the local highways.
Especially when she was changing in the car as The Bandit drove.
Just an all-around fun movie.
I remember catching you rubbing one out to The Flying Nun.
It was the hat.
how much I wanted to do naughty things to Sally Fields back in the day
Old Flying Nun episodes?
Meanwhile, thousands, tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of jaded teachers clock in at 7:30 and clock out at 2:30 just so they can collect a paycheck and employee benefits that are funded by the taxpayer, and care little for the time and attention it takes to nurture a student’s desire for learning.
Dog-eared lesson plan, FTW!
My thoughts:
Immigration – If we accept the existence of a nation-state, said nation-state has the right to control its borders. It also has the right to decide who gets to be a citizen and who doesn’t. While there are good faith debates to be had about how restrictive those policies should be, it’s insanity to me that keeping out violent gangsters is somehow controversial. To me it reveals the mendacity of progs and confirms that they don’t care who comes in as long as they are statistically likely to vote for Democrats. If Latino and Asian immigrants were likely to vote Republican, this discussion would be completely different (see: Vietnamese fleeing communism).
Education – Missing from this discuss is the affect that family breakdown has on children and their future. Mom is only having to work 2-3 jobs to stay afloat because Dad isn’t around and the kid was likely born into a chaotic environment in the first place. Lack of personal responsibility on Mom and/or Dad’s part is condemning this girl into the cycle of poverty and government dependence. Just as the Dems want.
Personal finances – There is no more concrete example of how irresponsibility will fuck you over. Make a budget in which you spend less than you earn. Save what’s left over. Stop bitching about how unfair it is that someone else down the street can afford a new car and you can’t. Don’t buy tons of shit on credit that you can’t afford. This is not complicated. But again, getting people dependent on government because of their own personal failings is a key pillar of the Dem strategy.
Common thread here: the polarization is being artificially created by the major political parties and a supine media. Republicans are imperfect (read: shitty dooshbags), however the Dems’ electoral strategy is incumbent upon wrecking any semblance of personal responsibility or generational improvement. Who do poor people vote for? Who benefits by having more poor people? This is why it is not possible to find common ground.
“Missing from this discussion is the effect that family breakdown has on children”
I couldn’t let those typos go, they were too ugly.
“Immigration – If we accept the existence of a nation-state, said nation-state has the right to control its borders. It also has the right to decide who gets to be a citizen and who doesn’t.”
You can’t have a successful nation welfare state and open borders. Sooner than later you run out of other people’s money to give away…
And, if you import enough unassimilated Mexicans, eventually you have Mexico City.
Not limited to Mexicans man…
Any assimilated import that is here just for the welfare payout is bad news for the productive.
unassimilated, damn it..
If we accept the existence of a nation-state, said nation-state has the right to control its borders.
LITERALLY HITLER. I bet you support Israeli murderers shooting innocent Palestinian protesters. That’s exactly what Hitler would do.
Those poor pathetic protestors lobbing Molotov cocktails and using children as human shields. Where is your sense of compassion!?
We need to give those children human shields as well!
No, I don’t mean me, I plan to be well away from the scene.
If we accept the existence of a nation-state
I found your problem.
Deny it all you want, the Nation-State is an organic outgrowth of human tribal instincts and the tendency to seek order and organization. They are an emergant property of humanity and are inescapable.
You forgot to say “full stop”. Period.
I think the nation state is an outgrowth of banditry.
not really inconsistent tbh
And that’s fine; rejecting the concept of the nation-state completely changes the dynamic of the scenario and invalidates a lot of the arguments re: immigration. However, I still remain depressed by the fact that, borders or not, unprincipled shitbag politicians are more than willing to excuse the action of murderers simply for political expediency. Not surprising, but nonetheless depressing.
Don’t get me wrong, I recognize that the twin drives to form groups and hate other groups are innate. They’re just…I dunno. Something I hope we grow out of eventually, I guess.
unless that behavior ceases to be rewarded, it aint happening.
vaguely related: the fact that Peterson is suddenly popular is making lots of people go, “this jung stuff is gay too”
social psych is, as even most psychologists admit, a shitshow; that said, it aint biology
unless that behavior ceases to be rewarded, it aint happening.
Which seems unlikely, as nature itself seems to reward such behavior.
Waiting for the new Soviet man could take some time.
Accepting reality is a good starting point.
Artificially created. Dante called them ‘sowers of discord’. Guess where he put them? In….HELL.
Regardless, the nation-state exists. Rumours of its pending death were greatly exaggerated. That was an actual debate in pol. sci classes in the 90s. My take is it was going nowhere for the foreseeable future and everyone was like all ‘whaaa?’
And yet here we are.
As such, to be sure, and all that jazz, nation-states DO have a legit duty to protect their borders.
I can’t believe that’s even a debate.
On personal finance. I always tell my nephew: SAVE YOUR MONEY. Build a little side nest egg. You do that by taking, say $20 out of your $150 pay. If you do this with discipline you get used to the idea of a $130 pay. That kinda of thing. You adjust it according to your life situation but always do it.
I also explained the importance of building credit and paying your debt back. You buy that $100 hockey stick on credit? Pay it back – preferably in one shot. If you can’t just make sure you set a plan to pay it quickly in instalments so as the interest doesn’t ravage your ability to pay it.
It’s really simple stuff.
In my entire family me, my parents and my wife – net savers. The rest? They can’t seem to maintain the discipline. Guess who has to help out from time to time?
The taxpayers?
*sips coffee*
Nope. Try again.
/sips lemonade with PLASTIC STRAW.
But despite a few oddballs and whack jobs, I think we find that most people, whether conservative or progressive, hold beliefs that are not irrational.
So what you’re saying is, anybody who disagrees with you is a delusional crackpot.
For the record, this remedy of looking at people as individuals and not a voting bloc is for the common man. I subscribe to Walter Karp’s theory in Indispensable Enemies: The Politics of Misrule in America (apologies if tags don’t work) that both Republicans and Democrats–the parties at large–have a protectionist mindset and would love nothing more than for us plebes to be so wrapped up in KULTURWAR or firebombing the other side so that they can continue to stay in power. There are plenty of horrible ideas for governing, but assuming the people who espouse those ideas are Literally Hitler (TM) plays into the hands of party leaders and only drives the rest of us further away from one another.
Good article. Thanks for the input.
“There are plenty of horrible ideas for governing, but assuming the people who espouse those ideas are Literally Hitler (TM) plays into the hands of party leaders and only drives the rest of us further away from one another.”
Why do you spread hate speech, generic Brand?
It’s programmed into my white-cis-hetero-shitlord DNA, I guess. Graciously awaiting my penitence of 246 lashes, representative of each year of African bondage on American soil (http://www.newsweek.com/slavery-america-popular-misconceptions-627229, although by linking to this article that disproves the “400 years of slavery” myth, I thereby prove I need even more lashes).
A few things not listed.
Snopes: “though true, we are going to call it partially true because.,,reasons”
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/facts-about-slavery/
“Possibly true. The wording of the statement is important. Anthony Johnson was not the first slave owner in American history, but he was, according to historians, among the first to have his lifetime ownership of a servant legally sanctioned by a court. ”
Way to completely miss the point of the fact and focus on stupid “technically true” bullshit. Snopes is as bad as politifact; DemOp assholes masquerading as “fact-checkers”.
Even Netflix is racist in Donald Trump’s America
Nice write-up, generic Brand
It literally is. Have you seen Ugly Delicious? It’s basically Ethnic Studies: The Show. I can sum it up as: everything bad that happens to minorities is the fault of whitey. They make up stories to gin up hatred against white people while simultaneously calling them racist at every turn. I can bet that every producer on this show has a college degree.
‘Ugly Delicious’ drove me nuts and I should be the target audience;
Fuckin’ David Chang talking about how whitey is keeping him down and his childhood was so oppressed; then cut to him going home to his parent’s McMansion in VA and casually dropping how he traveled all over for golf tournaments:
“Chang grew up in Vienna, Virginia with two older brothers and a sister. … They owned a golfing goods warehouse and two restaurants.[3] As a child, Chang was a competitive golfer who participated in a number of junior tournaments.[8] Chang attended Georgetown Prep and then Trinity College”
Oppressed, I tell you!
Preening asshole. He really rubs me the wrong way.
Well that was a good ,generic article, thanks!
What if instead of Polarization, we just become Apathetic?
Who would Care?
Meh.
Maybe I would…maybe I wouldn’t.
“But if we–as a society–continue to enable people to coast instead of strive to succeed, everyone suffers.”
This is the crux of the matter. Our society rewards irresponsible behavior and punishes responsible behavior.
Single mother has a baby out of wedlock that she can’t afford – gets free daycare, food stamps, free college, and free healthcare.
Man and woman work their asses off, delay gratification, have a family they can support – get a tax bill and a middle finger.
I have had this discussion with plenty of people, but usually it is the progs that hate you pointing this out to them. I remember telling that that what our government’s welfare system provides today is not much of any kind of social network. A social network will be there to protect the productive when they hit hard times because of some event outside of their control, and then only temporarily. That way they don’t lose all the value they have been able to build just because life threw them a curve. The system we have today punishes the productive and in fact seems to exist to buy votes from the perpetually unproductive.
I think I heard it on Reason from a member of the commentariat first, but something along the lines of “a safety net is one thing, but we’ve developed into providing a hammock.”
Anecdote from a family member that illustrates this perfectly.
Young married couple, both are working two jobs in a very economically depressed rural area. Working their asses off, managing to pay the bills and keep the wolf from the door. Decide to have a family.
At the suggestion of a primary care provider, the young woman goes to the county social services office and applies to see if there is some way to get a loan of $200 to cover the cost of specialized eyeglasses she now needs because of pregnancy related vision problems. She has no vision coverage in her employer-provided health plan.
Social services tells her, nope, we have no way to help. BUT since you are pregnant, you can quit your job(s) and get full coverage with all these benefits! It would be even better if you just divorced your husband at the same time. Then we could *really* help you.
Young family member said, “Fuck off, slaver!”
The welfare system is intended to socially engineer people into accepting more welfare.
Which once again creates more poverty. And having more people in poverty benefits which politicians…?
It’s there to create wards of the state. These wards are expected to be beholden to the state for their existence and are compensated better than if they were actually trying to be productive members due to lack of education or skills. And thus, these dependents are expected to always vote for those people that want to keep or expand the nanny state.
It’s a fucking scheme to put and keep useless pols in power while they rip the productive off under the guise of doing well for their fellow man.
These welfare state peddling polls are the most disgusting sort of parasite I can think off.
Ayup…
Familiar with that quote.
And I have pointed this out to many people with a different melanin levels that have told me the democratic party has their back with this giant welfare state and the plantation they moved them all to.
Self inflicted slavery makes me sad…
Well you’re just an alt-right white privilege racist SHUT UP YOU BIGOT
Ditto the Dem’s who oppose “gentrification”
Shorter version: don’t move my voters
I have often been accused of that Q, usually by proggies that get pissed I point out they are neither the intellectuals they think they are nor very smart if they bought into that shit Marx peddled in any way, shape or form. Telling them I am about the individual and individual rights also has led to more of the alt right shitbag accusations.
I ignore them. You can’t cure that level of stupidity and challenging their cultish faith only leads to you ending up disappointed. I prefer to just make fun of them and their stupidity.
We went to my wife’s primary care doc a few months ago when she first was pregnant to verify it. They ran a blood test to confirm and then gave my wife an I a card with the social services number on it. She told us to go get signed up, they do a lot of good things for pregnant woman.
Her doctor doesn’t know anything about our economic standing, I guess she just assumes that any fairly young couple in this area are on public assistance. She is probably mostly correct, and that is sad.
Also, thanks to our wonderful mostly socialized healthcare system, My wife quit her job last month. She did because it’s cheaper for her to be unemployed and on my insurance than to work and continue to pay her high premiums for shitty coverage. Thanks Obamacare.
In my home state MORE THAN HALF of the people are on Medicaid.
That is so fucked up I can’t even.
That’s like totally sustainable.
MEDICARE FOR ALL!
/Berniebot
I was laid off from my sales job in the spring of 2008. Tough times ensued, lasting almost three years. For about half of that time, I worked the best job I could find at that time, which was as record clerk at the commercial vehicle inspection station at the front gate of a Navy base, a glorified security guard for $9 an hour. It wasn’t much, but it did give me full benefits in a shitty hourly wage job and it was an easy gig – I just wrote down license plate and driver license numbers and verified where workmen were going on base. Anyway, it was such a lax gig that you basically could set your own hours, working as much (up to 40 hours) or as little as you wanted. So one of my co-workers was this girl who routinely would go home after a few hours. The reason? She was very concerned about losing a bunch of her welfare benefits if she worked too many hours and made too much money.
She also frequently spent her time at this job by looking for other jobs on Monster and Careerbuilder that she could claim to have applied for, which was a condition of some other program she was receiving benefits from.
Single mother has a baby out of wedlock that she can’t afford – gets free daycare, food stamps, free college, and free healthcare.
Man and woman work their asses off, delay gratification, have a family they can support – get a tax bill and a middle finger.
I’d say the problem goes beyond even that. Increasingly, the latter couple is demonized while the former single mother is lionized. In popular culture, the single mother is treated as a daring hero not held down and who doesn’t need any man (well, except for the guy paying for her child through taxes, but pay not attention to that). The couple is seen as unhip. Or the wife is seen as victimized by her status as wife. Or the husband is derided as a buffoon.
At least at one point, if the financial incentives worked in favor of the single mother, at least social pressures provided some counterbalance. Today, even some ostensible libertarians look at those cultural pressures as an affront to liberty.
This is true, as evidenced by the fact that anytime (literally anytime) this discussion comes up it *always* has to be prefaced with “to be sure™ there are many single mothers that do a great job…” Yes, there are deadbeat dads that leave mom holding the bag. However, lack of personal responsibility and permissive, capricious divorce are just as much to blame as some POS dood walking out. You might even say the POS dood is a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself.
Yes, there are deadbeat dads that leave mom holding the bag.
The difference is that deadbeat dads are not only seen as POS, they’re subject to real legal sanctions (e.g. wage garnishment and jail). The single mother’s sainthood isn’t even questioned.
So much this…
Dead beat dads get dragged into court and told to pay the fuck up. Shit, I have even seen cases where the woman LIED about who the deadbeat dad was because the guy she accused had more money to fleece out of, took em to court, got money, and when he did the DNA test and it came out that he was NOT the father, the courts told him to keep paying anyway.
There are some courageous single moms out there. They avoid the welfare state like the plague however.
This is the part that galls me. Even if one were to concede the authority of courts to order support of one’s own children, there is no justification for being able to order payment for children they did not father.
I frankly despise the court system. I never expect it to give me a fair shake. The fact that laws are arbitrarily enforced and people of power can commit not just fraud but deliberately put the other people if not our country in danger like Hillary did with her private server and get off, or an asshole judge telling you to keep paying child support even when the kid is not yours, proves to me that if I need to avoid it like I would avoid VD.
Yes. Equality under the law is a myth and always has been. Throughout history, anytime and anywhere “laws are for little people” is the true supreme rule. Who the “little people” are just changes.
So now I have a reason to use Netflix.
However, I don’t have an account, but my wife does.
“Honey, I need your password so that I can watch hot naked chicks on Netflix.”
I’m going to have to massage that message a bit.
How the fuck did I get this one here?
Da Fug is why you prolly got it here…
Yet another aside: Took somebody to small claims court this morning. I got my judgment, dammit. (He didn’t show, but I don’t really have to confess that part.) I got dressed up and everything.
So I once briefly worked in the county office that does this. A DNA test came back on a woman with twins. One of the twins belonged to her boyfriend. The other twin belonged to her boyfriend’s father.
We all had a good laugh.
Superfetation. Learn it. Love it.
Nice essay, gB.
Fuck the collective, but I have to admit that I really dig polarization.
*puts on RayBans*
Could not resist.
Shit, that came out in 1979. I remember hearing it on the radio before it was ‘classic rock’.
/old
Electric Whales! They be Bad…..
I was expecting this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mznsEcZlM2I
Stop bitching about how unfair it is that someone else down the street can afford a new car and you can’t.
My father taught me (us) only chumps buy new cars. Depreciation is something you should let somebody else worry about.
-1 Cash for Clunkers program
My paid for 02 silverado just keeps on being paid for. I rebuilt the engine last year, have replaced all the suspension, put a new fuel pump in it, and 100 other things. All that together wouldn’t be a decent down payment on a new one.
Only chumps sell functioning cars would be more accurate. Depreciation is irrelevent if the intent is to drive the vehicle into the ground over the next few decades.
So I should keep Blue Kia?
2000 Sephia 5 speed
89K miles runs great, looks like crap
Dive it until the wheels fall off. Then replace the wheels.
My criteria was always “when the ongoing maintenance is going to approach the cost of a monthly payment”. Though my proxy metric is “when the transmission craps out”.
Somewhat echoing UCS, but recommend using savings to buy a new-to-you used car once your current car’s monthly maintenance becomes untenable. Do NOT finance a car, especially through the dealership. You’re much better off paying full price for a used car (certified pre-own still comes with warranties) and running that one into the ground like the first one.
And I’ve recently learned the importance of treating my car to regular check-ups, something I barely do for myself. The human body is organic and has an extensive ability to adapt and repair itself. Inorganic cars, not so much.
Silver Kia we bought Brand new for Cash, Blue is more a backup than anything, But I refuse to scrap it, If someone needs Cheap reliable Transportation I would sell it Cheap.
I pay cash for everything, full stop.
Okay, I’m going to admit it: I am deeply ashamed of my very beloved 1996 Olds Ciera (“Grannycar”) whose clearcoat is gone and paint fading and air conditioner long gone. It looks like it belongs in the ‘hood, which would be fine if we lived in the ‘hood.
But it’s paid for and I would hop in it right now and drive cross-country. (I’ve done that with it. Twice. 24 hours’ straight driving over mountain passes (both ways) with only gas stops.)
So we keep it even though it embarrasses the hell out of me.
My embarrassment over my 2002 beat-up Dodge Ram is nonexistent because it’s a fucking Dodge Ram, slaver, and I am badass driving it, and I only use it to go to Home Depot or the mulch place. But it’s also paid for and works fine.
But yes, I’m embarrassed and even if I could afford a new car, I’d keep it. /conflicted
Pickup trucks are forever. I live in a pretty posh suburb and had no problem driving my rusty but trusty Toyota T100 there.
My cousin drives a T 100 that he bought from my grandpa. It’s an early nineties model, beat all to hell, and gets him around just fine.
Which do you value more, a nice car or the money you’re saving?
Hint: there is no “right” answer.
Bingo.
Yes there is.
/owns a beater with 160k+ miles on it.
Granny car has 170,000, but the truck has 370,000.
You have more miles than me I got 337,000 on my ’01
We bought it at 350,000. For our purposes, that was okay.
I’ve had my truck almost 10 years. I value my money more than a car, but that’s not the right answer for everyone.
“Your money or your car!”
*florida man tosses robber the keys*
*robber tries to start truck* *engine chugs but doesn’t turn over* *robber looks under the hood*
“Shit, PYTHON!”
I don’t have the skills, the interest, or the time to maintain cars.
So I buy new, and then keep them forever.
I still have my ’06 350Z (paid off 7 years ago) and my ’09 Forester (paid off 4 years ago). I bought a new Xterra in 2015 and gave my daughter my ’02 Xterra (she’s still driving it — it was paid off 11 years ago).
The dealer offers dirt cheap loans on new cars. It is barely more expensive than paying cash up front.
But I recognize this is the second best option to buying old and doing the work yourself.
But I recognize this is the second best option to buying old and doing the work yourself.
It’s getting less and less realistic. I’m a decent mechanic, but the only car I regularly work on anymore is my old Triumph. Newer cars are a pain in the ass.
Life is about tradeoffs.
Changing the plugs on my 2010 Tacoma required partial disassemble of the top of the engine.
They pull the headers to get to the spark plugs on my 350z. So platinum plugs that last 60k to 100K are still cheaper than the labor to install them.
Pretty much anything engine related on new vehicles takes a computer to diagnose. If you don’t know someone with a code reader, it can be impossible to correctly troubleshoot an engine.
Yes. Also, my VWs require a special whizbang Audi/VW reader.
https://caristaapp.com/
You can do it yourself.
http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/
Another alternative.
I can but I don’t want to! 😉
But yeah, I have a bluetooth one that works ok for the older ones. Come to think of it, I’ve only had lights a couple times on the VWs. So far.
A code reader didn’t cost all that much to buy, and I’m not even a gearhead. Though admittedly I got a model that does only read the code so I can see what the computer is whining about with the generic “something isn’t working perfectly” light.
There are different grades of code readers. The one you bought and the one they ise give you a free diagnostic at the auto parts store isn’t going to tell you much.
The one at the dealership or at a good mechanics shop will do a lot more and costs thousands of dollars.
Yeah I know, but I was never planning to fix the problem myself, I just wanted to know what the order of magnitude the problem was in before I had to go deal with a mechanic.
Code readers are CHEAP.
It’s nice to have the car be able to tell you the O2 sensor is bad, or the number 4 fuel injector voltage is low. Then you can dive right into the problem instead of scratching your head all day wondering why it sometimes stalls at a light.
Yeah I gave up most of my wrenching – I’ve done engine swaps (twice) and some fairly big work on cars, but these were carbed.
Working on a MINI (the BMW brand) or most other newer car brands is beyond my big ol’ hands, not to mention the right BMW-specific code reader, and the general weirdness of turbocharged engines. I’ve been thinking of getting something older again just to wrench on but time, time, time is something I don’t have a lot of.
My wife loves her MINI Cooper, and is pretty devastated that we will have to trade it in for something else when baby girl arrives in July. My long-term goal (after buying and paying off house, and truthfully, kids moved out) is to build her one from the ground up. As I said, very long-term goal, but I definitely understand the difficulty in working on MINIs.
The dealership wanted to charge $450 to change rear brake pads, which I thought was absurd. It was only after buying the $30 parts and spending 2 hours in the sun because of the ridiculous brake caliper tool required that I realized why they can charge so much.
Proprietary tools and fasteners are pretty ubiquitous now. I did brakes on my Tahoe because it was easy (once you busted the fucking caliper bolts loose), but I’m pretty much done fucking around with them.
Congrats on the little girl! Daughters are the coolest!
Yup. I built cars as a kid, mostly carbs and engines. Mechanical engineer….15 years in automotive design and build.
No way I’m working on a car today.
I drive heavy work trucks: they depreciate at half the speed of cars.
0 interest loans are still loans, and they’re still a mistake for most people (hiding my MBA in finance for now because this isn’t about the numbers). Paying cash on the barrelhead, staying debt free, and having no payment steams is the recipe for success for 99% of people. Payments are a crutch that delay the clear-eyed pain of understanding; the folk who argue otherwise don’t have life insurance, don’t have their kid’s tuition in the bank, and have no idea how they will retire with dignity. I’m on the homestretch; I tried to tell my contemporaries as we went through; they knew best, they bought Enron on margin, they had principal-only morgages…..and they’re all screwed.
But I ain’t changing oil.
Amortizing the payment over a future span was preferable to burning up the bulk of my retirement savings because someone parked a Buick in my wheel well.
I used to be in the “cash up front, no debt is acceptable” camp – when I was up to my eyeballs in debts. As I’ve dealt with them I’ve moderated my position to “you really have to measure the benefit against the cost” with one of those costs being tied to an obligation of repayment.
And I think you meant “Interest-only mortgages” where the principal doesn’t get paid on, but the monthly payment is lower (because you’re not paying off the actual debt)
Yup: interest only, of course
The only scenario where it wasn’t insane to take an interest only mortgage was when you were rapidly turning over appreciating real estate – a condition dependant on the bubble not bursting.
I’ll take my 3.5% fixed and pay double minimum, thanks. (I should have that paid off in about six years, or eight from when I took out the loan)
Loans are a tool. When used properly, they are valuable. When used improperly, they are dangerous.
That’s my strategy too. I usually go at least 10 years and 200k.
The last car, the dealer thought he was taking me in when I agreed to by the extended warranty (because he assumes I’ll trade it in). New brakes and transmission later I got the last laugh.
When you can get a car with 0% financing and 10-20% off the sticker price its hard to justify a used car purchase if you are going to drive it for >150K miles. This is usually my criterion for a new vs used car purchase. It assumes a 1-3 year old used car.
At some point I’m going to be the guy who buys a used car with 50-100K miles on it every year with cash just so I don’t have to buy new tires. $2500-5000 trade in cars
Hey, here’s something that is polarizing:
Fuck. You. Go. The. Fuck. Away. Already.
Now I have to cut a warning order to the family – get your Netscape viewing in now, we won’t have it much longer.
Bill Gates has a sad.
Actually I want them to stick around as long as possible. No one has done more damage to the Progressive movement than Obama. Progs have been electorally sodomized so thoroughly since 2008 that you’d be tempted to think that he’s a Republican mole.
The cult won’t die out until these two lead them singing and dancing up to the cooler of Flavor Aid.
If it’s only the faithful who partake, is it our business to intervene?
(though the moment it includes any of the rest of us, we are free to act)
The faithful can do whatever they want.
I am purchasing firearms.
Is Netflix publicly traded? When’s the right time to short them as they jettison half their subscribers?
Yep, NFLX on Nasdaq
*said in the voice of Michael Corleone*
“It’s the smart move.”
Think about how popular Netflix is, and think about how many people who grew up with Obama as president and who think he’s the bee’s knees are also in Netflix’s target market. Getting those bums to make Netflix-only shows is a gold mine. Fuck it, fleece the fanbase as much as you can. I hate the Dallas Cowboys but if I somehow had a license to make Cowboys gear I would sell all the Cowboys merch I could.
Eh. There is already a ton of crap on there I don’t watch. I keep it because for the price there is enough stuff I want to watch.
I have never watched Netflix.
You’re not missing anything special. I like the documentaries and animal stuff. Occasionally they have a movie I want to watch.
I disagree. Some of their original programming is quite good.
Altered Carbon was excellent.
+1 on Altered Carbon, although some of the story changes from the book didn’t make sense.
I am currently watching Arrested Development and just finished the first season.
Agreed, the deviations from the book with AC didn’t add to the final product.
Are you in for a treat. Mr. F!
Altered Carbon had a lot of hot, naked women.
The rest of the story was irrelevant. A+.
Dichen Lachman’s character was one such deviation from the book, but she looks damn good naked, though surely not pneumatic enough for you, Q.
“surely not pneumatic enough for you, Q”
I prefer “cantilevered”.
I enjoyed the hell out of Altered Carbon, and since I’ve never read the book deviations didn’t bug me. I liked Ozark, too. It’s kind of fun seeing aw-shucks Jason Bateman as a money launderer.
Also, the sonofabitch isn’t the president any more. This is one area where small-r republican values need to make a comeback.
The royal wedding was a major news item here in the States. I think the ship has sailed on republicanism.
Recent years should have told you that what the news thinks is a major item and what people think are a major item are worlds apart.
The only two times I have heard it referenced are when people were (good-naturedly) picking on the guy going to England, and by gossiping hens when I went to get my hair cut. It’s no more than prolefeed.
Just you wait for President Oprah/VP Clooney.
My boss (50 yo black man) LOVED the wedding and was flabbergasted that I had no desire to watch it.
It’s a glorified form of influence-peddling.
I rebuilt the engine last year, have replaced all the suspension, put a new fuel pump in it, and 100 other things. All that together wouldn’t be a decent down payment on a new one.
I have heard, over the years, numerous people asking why somebody would pay “so much” to keep their old car running, when they could “just” go buy a new car. A long time ago, my girlfriend’s father had one of those old humpback Volvos. He loved that car. She thought it was outrageous that he would pay good money to have the clutch replaced instead of just junking it.
Taking on a monthly payment for several years instead of paying substantially less for ongoing maintenance for a car you own free and clear might make sense in somebody’s world, but not mine.
There is something to be said for the safety and performance of newer vehicles though.
I don’t have the skills, the interest, or the time to maintain cars.
So I buy new, and then keep them forever.
Or you can buy them 2 or 3 years old and keep them forever. Presto! your (*pulls numbers out of ass*) 60k car cost 38k.
The questions is who owned it for 2 or 3 years and how did they treat it.
I viewed used cars like fucking strangers without a condom.
That and the price of desirable cars doesn’t drop that far. 4Runners and F150s, for instance, retain an almost absurd amount of value.
Biggest depreciation is high end luxury vehicles. A buddy bought a gorgeous S-class Benz for peanuts. Of course then he spent like 15K making it work again. Still, the car was over $100K new.
4Runner, 4X4 Tacoma and Tundra, also Landcruiser. Subaru STi and WRXs also hold their value to the point that you might as well by new.
I toyed around with the idea of buying a tacoma a few years ago, and you are right. 2-3 year trucks woth 50k on the odometer were only about 5k off the new price.
or even buy
Also lotus exige and Elise.
*whistful sigh*
Biggest depreciation is high end luxury vehicles.Not my market. I buy utilitarian.
And I don’t give a shit about depreciation. I buy it and use it. I don’t sell’em. I’ve traded in two vehicles for new vehicles at the same dealer, because they didn’t fit our lifestyle and needs. The last one we traded-in in 09, they dealer had arranged the sale of the car (an ’06 Sentra) before we completed the purchase of our new Forester. We got top dollar on the trade because they got top dollar on the sale.
STEVE SMITH PULL MORE THAN NUMBERS OUT OF YOUR ASS
Apologies if posted earlier – Supreme Court arbitration ruling:
The Supreme Court decided Monday that employers can block collective claims from workers—as opposed those by individuals—through arbitration clauses, ruling in favor of management in the clash of two longstanding federal laws.
With Justice Neil Gorsuch writing for a 5-to-4 majority after casting the deciding vote, the case exposed the conflict between the Federal Arbitration Act of 1925, which makes arbitration clauses generally “valid, irrevocable and enforceable,” and the National Labor Relations Act, passed in 1935, which authorizes employees to take collective action for “mutual aid or protection.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-imposes-new-limits-on-workers-in-arbitration-cases-1526916858
The one I care about is the forced dues paying. When does that ruling come down?
Oh, and by the way, great essay, generic Brand.
Polarization is pineapple on pizza.
So you’re saying if we put a pineapple on top of a pizza and spin it through a coil of wire, we can generate electricity?
UCS doesn’t even abide tomato on his pizza.
White pizza is the superior pie; the science is settled. Mozzarella, ricotta, garlic and butter trump poison apples.
Man makes accurate observation about Clintons
the replies are fun.
fwiw, i think you see this sort of “inoculating truth” by media every now and then. basically, without actually granting anything, they’ll go, “OF COURSE we all knew Clintons were corrupt.”, as tho this weren’t actually a key contention for 20 years or more. it just puts to bed and isolates criticisms of their own side and pretends that, now that they no longer have to defend them, they held the moral high ground all along.
lol he actually *literally says exactly what the point is*
he references “Trump corruption scandals” multiple times. none of them have any links to specific claims.
He must be corrupt. Why else would Obama be forced to investigate him?
It’s incredible how accurate the nickname “Chocolate Nixon” has proven to be.
I’m sorry, but Nixon doesn’t deserve to be libeled like this.
No kidding. With this weaponizing the IC stuff Obama is now in a class all his own.
More like “Chocolate Stalin”.
Of course the D’s have become serious about sexual harassment and misconduct. They are the ones doing it.
Trump was right. With few exceptions, journalists are the enemy of the people and they are profoundly dishonest.
Think of these assholes as DNC operatives with bylines, and it becomes very clear what they are up to…
How dare you attack the media/ Reason…
GB, fine work.
My view is, of course, that the distinctions being polarized are as significant as the blue team versus the gold team when I was in summer camp.
Does an appropriater weigh the same as a duck?
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05/21/broke-cultural-appropriation-woke-conservative-appropriation/
Is the duck made of Would?
/intentional
The people who are the biggest zealots are more likely to invest the time and effort to post propaganda on social media on a consistent basis. That’s where most of this comes from anyways. You started seeing it with 24 hour cable news who were bringing insane people on to argue with to boost ratings aka the Jerry Springer effect, but really didn’t hit its stride until Facebook and Twitter.
TW: Infowars so consider the source.
https://www.infowars.com/report-obama-pleads-with-jay-z-to-prevent-other-hip-hop-artists-meeting-with-trump/
If true, it goes to just how desperate the Dems are to keep blacks from thinking outside the box and perhaps not voting for them in Eastern Bloc numbers.
The idea that “hip hop artists” are some monolithic camp that are herded around by Jay Z is a delusion only cracker infowars droolers could swallow
But Jesse Jackson is the emperor of black people, right?
I thought it was Reverend Al?
Does Jay-Z actually matter? I don’t get this hip-hop connection. Are they gonna start singing about how the GOP is gonna get them off the Democrat plantation?
I’m pretty sure there are far more important blacks to meet than guys who deal (dealt) and sing ‘bitches an ho’.
Don’t you watch Hat and the Hair?
I’m doing my corporate compliance training. It has a minimum amount of time I have to spend on the modules. I think I can learn not to defraud people or give away their health information in under 3 hours. *sigh*
I posted a similar story (time minimums in training modules) last time the subject of corporate training came up. Multi-tasking isn’t usually my gig, so I had to be extra careful to keep returning from my chosen distractions after the course timers were up but before I lost my progress…
Spoiler alert: I’m wasting time at Glibs waiting on the counter.
My company Intranet home page makes you answer a question about a hypothetical harassment situation everytime I open it before I may proceed.
So, I have to tell the computer that telling racially insensitive jokes is not okay before I can get to maintenance page to log what failure and what I did to repair the hydraulic system on #4 furnace. It’s fucking stupid.
Also, since they started this about a year ago, I have noticed that incidences of racial and gay jokes have increased signifigantly.
Telling a bunch of blue collar rednecks they can’t tell jokes is cutting heads off a hydra.
Every time you open it?
Christ was a (virtual) asshole!
My company is apparently paying big bucks for engineering referrals.
If you have an interest in living in the most boring state in the union, let me know.
Wyoming? Nebraska? North Dakota? Idaho?
Hey!
Idaho?
So… Iowa is the opposite of Florida?
Iowa
Are they set on that engineering thing? I’ll move to Iowa for a job.
Yes, these are engineering positions.
Iowa unemployment rate is about 2% right now. I’m sure there are jobs going unfilled in the state.
Just to make sure I’m clear on this, Idaho and Iowa are technically different states?
Potatoes and corn respectively.
Will there be corn?
So much you won’t be able to recognize your own excrement.
Delaware?
My login account for Glibs is carraig1014 at yahoo. I just checked, and I have about 8,000 unread messages.
Be sure to put something catchy (like Fuck You That’s Why) in the subject line if you want to connect with me.
https://twitter.com/rickperlstein/status/998626907984941056
“Jordan Peterson doesn’t want black people to use bathrooms” is the hottest of hot takes I’ve ever read.
If we want to face reality, we have to accept that the Left hates Peterson not because of his warmed over Jungian ranting (which is altogether boring), but are instead upset because he became famous for defying state mandated pronoun use.
Woketarians won’t admit it, but they hate him for the same reason.
They also hate him because he encourages critical thought that runs counter to lefty orthodoxy. The stuff he espouses would have been utterly uncontroversial 50 years ago; now it’s as if he’s encouraging witchcraft, pederasty and human sacrifice.
Ten years ago, the things he says would not be controversial. They are trying to turn a boring academic into Milo and it’s so obvious that it is bound to have zero effect.
It is amazing, though, how ostensibly libertarian commentators (which are better classified as “woketarians”) have become the biggest defenders for political correctness, expanded government (“government out of the boardroom and bedroom and into the bathroom”), and the status quo.
Question: How far off the reservation does one need to go to no longer be a woketarian and just be a progressive?
For instance – Shikha; straight up prog. ENB and Soave are woketarians because some small percent (10-15%?) of their views are still libertarian.
Thoughts?
Also: someone (I think it was DEG?) posted over the weekend a guest column authored by ENB on Maggie McNeil’s website.
It was absolute shit. A bunch of “tolerance means acceptance means celebration you intolerant yokels!”
ENB’s beat is the easiest damn one in the whole libertarian canon. With the exception of NAP violations, self-ownership implies freedom of sexual expression. Wow, that was hard. Give me a column at Reason!
Maggie McNeil is slightly insane. I read an article on her website decrying some sex site for only wanting women in its videos rather than transwomen. She declared that this was ‘transphobia’, when, in fact, it was just good business.
I’m not sure about the statistics on this one, but I feel pretty confident in saying that heterosexual men on a sex site are not looking for penis. I know that’s a crazy assertion, but I think I may be right here.
She’s hit or miss for me. I like it when she argues individual rights, I like it less when she goes off on tangential rants about the inside baseball of prostitution.
No matter what she’s writing about, she comes off as bitter and jaded; perhaps expected from someone in her line of work.
Speak for yourself, just say’n
See, I always thought your avatar was just because you really liked the band “Tool”. I stand corrected
And that’s exactly why I tend to seek out only lesbian porn.
I get the feeling that Shikha is only there because she lurves immigrants and ENB loves hookers so close enough…
I think Robbie is much better than ENB. I think his instincts are at least decent – he just couches much of what he says so his prog buddies (and let’s face it, all of these writers have mostly prog buddies) don’t give him too much shit.
ENB on the other hand is a total fraud.
Cocktail parties!
I’m not a huge Peterson fan, but what I have seen really makes the SJW types come off badly.
I think that’s enough for their hatred, so smearing him is justified.(woketarians included)
I’m not a Peterson fan at all, but I respect anyone who refuses to comply with government mandated speech. That’s why I’m not a very good woketarian
What’s with the ‘I’m not a fan’ shit?
Rufus isn’t a fan of that expression.
I’m not a fan of you taking issue with people stating they are not fans
To be sure…. ;P
By not a fan I mean that I don’t have any of his books, have never seen him outside of his embarrassing interviewers and protesters, not that I don’t like him or a trying to distance myself from him.
Maybe I should have said:
I don’t follow him much
and it would have been clearer?
“What’s with the ‘I’m not a fan’ shit?”
I think that is supposed to be prefaced with a ‘to be sure’.
Ok. /takes heave of asthma pump.
French researchers: Hitler is not alive and living on he moon.
Well that takes a weight off my shoulders.
Correct. He is buried on the moon. He died years ago.
I thought he became a balloon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju5RYjmLhyA
LIES.
I heard that sometimes he looks like a smudge.
He looked like a regular dude to me…
Richard Thompson
@RThompson_91
Moon kampf
8:01 PM – 20 May 2018
Vichy.
Isn’t it weird that the Vichy state was headed by a French national hero and allied itself with Nazi Germany (not that it had a choice) and helped deport Jews to German concentration camps, but we’re all suppose to pretend like the Poles were actually complicit in the Holocaust because they refuse to elect the correct government now?
Maybe French researchers can look into why this is the case
“Maybe French researchers can look into why this is the case”
They’ll be too busy rewriting the French constitution to be Sharia-compliant.
You know, I hadn’t thought about it that way, but yeah – there was no mass slaughter of Frenchmen, yet they largely were willing to play ball with the Nazis to a much greater extent than the Poles, who WERE slaughtered by the thousands. Yet today it’s the Poles taking all the flak while no one ever says much of anything about French collaboration.
Hell, fucking MUSSOLINI was much less compliant with the Holocaust than the French. Deportations of Italian Jews didn’t begin until after he was overthrown and the subsequent invasion and occupation by the Germans.
There’s a reason they were called rifle droppers.
There is nothing more bizarre than listening to actual card carrying fascists in Italy explain to you how Mussolini never instituted Hitler’s racial laws until after he was overthrown and installed as a puppet leader in northern Italy. That’s a real thing that happened to me before.
I’m not an expert on Italian history, but that’s sort of true isn’t it? He did pass the laws marginalizing Italian Jews but refused to ship them to German death camps. That happened after he was deposed, right?
Anyway, why single out the Poles? Ukrainians collaborated on a far larger scale than Poles, serving as camp guards and the like. When the Germans invaded Lithuania in the summer of 1941, they barely had to prod the Lithuanians into pogroms – I’ve read much more about the Holocaust than was healthy for my psyche, but arguably the worst story I ever read was the pogrom in Kaunas, Lithuania in June 1941, which was begun entirely by Lithuanians even before the Germans suggested it.
Your points on Italy are true. Italian fascism was less racial than German Nazism. In fact, before World War II, Italy and Germany almost went to war over Austria when their fascist government, which was friendly with the Italian government, was overthrown by Austrian Nazis that demanded unification with Germany.
It’s still weird, though, to have fascists recite this fact of history as a point of pride. It’s not like Italian fascists are really a tolerant bunch. They just want to emphasize that they weren’t like those Germans
Yes, Dollfuss and Mussolini were friends. Il Duce was not happy about the Nazis assassinating him.
I get what you’re saying though – “Hey, look, we’re fascists but we’re not Nazis!” is a bit of a ridiculous point of contention.
Also, if we want to talk about French complicity in the Holocaust (which they absolutely were institutionally), maybe we should also talk about Bulgaria and their curious alliance Germany in both world wars.
But, we can’t do that because that would be offensive to the fake “liberal order”
Phew! /Pepe Le Pew.
Female cats run for safety.
I think we find that most people, whether conservative or progressive, hold beliefs that are not irrational
Probably not the first to make this comment, but this is only true for certain values of irrational. I find many progressive beliefs are held despite being obviously falsified by actual experience and data or despite being contrary to easily observed human nature. Progressives are fundamentally utopians, which makes them, at root, irrational – they believe in an unachievable fantasy society and seem increasingly willing to do what it takes “by any means necessary” to make this fantasy a reality.
I note that your formulation only requires that some beliefs held by progressives are not irrational. I’m sure there are some of those, but the (political) beliefs that make them progressives are irrational. Sorry.
This all comes down to how you define “extreme” among progressives and conservatives. A conservative may say that “outlawing guns” is a mainstream progressive position, but that may be just because the only progressive articles he reads are the most inflammatory. A progressive may say that “no limitations on gun ownership” is a mainstream conservative position, but that may be just because they see conservatives only pushing against any new gun regulations.
Agreed. If your foundational premises are not rational, where you go from there, no matter how rationally argued, is by definition irrational.
Fruit of the poisonous tree etc. etc.
I agree RC. It’s probably not uncommon for a progressive to hold these irrational beliefs until they enter reality – eg as a property owner or starting an SME – and then are all ‘wtf are these stupid rules?”
Um, the rules you loved to espouse all your life?
Not pretty when you can’t run from it or ignore it, eh?
Now play ball or your comrades can make life very difficult on your margins.