So we covered a bit of general information and a bit of history on wine in Romania, best wine in the world. Now let’s get a bit more specific and let’s us talk grapes. Well not individual grapes of course, I mean varieties. As mentioned previously, accurate figures are difficult to come by, in Romania or elsewhere, due to informal wine making and general issues with such statistics, but I will try to give some numbers, as accurate as I can. So take it with a grain of tartrate, so to speak. According to Ministry of Agriculture estimates, Romania has about 200,000 hectares of vines, 80% of which are dedicated to extracting the nectar of the grapes, making 500 million liters of wine. Give or take 150 million. Half of them are European vines, half are hybrids. I will ignore the latter altogether because, personally, I do not consider that to be wine wine, and frankly there is not much to say of the mighty Căpşunica.
Fine… I will talk briefly of Căpşunica, the most popular hybrid wine grape. The word comes from căpşună, meaning strawberry. It came to Romania via Italy, where it was called Fragolino, hence the name. It is a hybrid originating in, I think, South Carolina or thereabouts, where it was called Isabella or somesuch. Many Romanians drink wine made of this. I am not among them. I find it utterly unpalatable. Anyway… Moving on…
About 70% of wine grapes in Romania are white and the remaining 30% red. There may be a few confused, inter-color, bi-curious and such, but a negligible amount. This data is basically approximation as no one knows for certain. This is due to the highly fragmented nature of the holdings, mostly because of those who grow for personal consumption. While in the EU the average vineyard size is 1.3 hectares, in Romania it is 0.2. So everyone and their grandmothers have a couple of vines to make a bit of wine, usually ready in spring and to be drunk by mid-summer, otherwise it goes sour. There are exceptions though; a minority of people do make good homemade wine.
The white is predominant due to local preference for lower alcoholic, sweetish wines that can be drunk in high quantities, usually mixed with soda water. Șpriț, as the locals call it, word coming from the German Spritze. This leads wine snobs, such as yours truly, to turn their nose up and look down upon the plebs. For one thing, I dislike wine that isn’t dry. And second, I would rather drink a smaller quantity of something good than a larger one of something bad. And I don’t mix my wine. Some people actually put Cola in wine. One thing that amused me, as an anecdote, was one such person criticizing another: I understand drinking red wine with Cola, I do it all the time, but white wine with Cola is just weird. White wine is with Sprite or mineral water. But the șpriț has its reasons: if you want to drink all night and keep hydrated, half wine and half water works better. You don’t get pissed as fast.
As an anecdote, most people use bottled mineral water now. But back in the day – 80, 90 or so, it would be sifon, which I don’t know how to translate other than soda water. This was basically tap water with CO2 added. There were special places – sifonarie – where you would take your reusable bottles to refill. The bottles had a special head.
The main white grapes cultivated in Romania are Fetească Alba, Fetească Regală, Riesling, Aligote, Sauvignon Blanc, Muscat Ottonel, Pinot Gris, Chardonnay, Tămaioasă Românească, Grasă de Cotnari, Francusă, Galbenă de Odobești, Crâmpoșie Selectionata, Mustoasă de Mădarat, Zgihară de Huși, Sarba, Plavaie, and several others. Riesling is mostly Italian Riesling, but small amounts of Rhine Riesling have been planted recently, for the local need of a wine with just a hint of petrol in the nose. The largest amounts are planted with the local grapes Fetească albă and Fetească regală, together being 18% of plantations.
The main red grapes planted are Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, Băbească Neagră, Fetească neagră, Pinot Noir, Burgund Mare, Traminer Roz, Busuioacă de Bohotin, Cadarcă. Merlot is the most planted red grape, with about 12 thousand hectares. (As a side request for the admins, please catbutt any post saying they won’t drink any fucking Merlot.)
I will not talk of international grapes much, but focus on the local ones. While there are several varieties, a fraction of the pre-phylloxera varieties still exist. I think there are probably lost varieties still grown among villages off the beaten track, but there is no project or funding to identify and preserve them (one of the things I would fund were I a billionaire). Many more were probably lost in the recent frenzy to replant everything with Cabernet and Syrah and other such invasive species.
Fetească is sort of the local flagship grape, both in white (alb means white) and red (negru means black). Fetească Alba is a white clone of Fetească Neagra. Feteasca comes from the word fata, meaning girl, and it could be translated as young girl like. I do not know how this came about. Another common grape Băbească neagra (red fruit, higher acidity), comes from babă which means old woman. Băbească is to Fetească maybe stretching it a bit what Pinot is to Cabernet, and is used to make lighter somewhat fresher and fruit forward wine. Fetească is the more serious grape, making more complex wines. There is an old saying, heteropatriarchical I would think, about how young men like the older woman and old men like younger girl (meaning youth prefer the lighter wines from Băbească and the older, with or without candy, like the more complex Fetească). Băbească also has it’s white wine clones Băbească Albă sau Băbească gri, but these are very rare.
The general harvest date for Fetească Neagra (considered typical with a significant aroma of dried plum) is around 15 September, having a growth period of 160-170 days. They get about 230-240 g/l of sugar and acidity of around 7 g/l. I will not give technical notes on other grapes. For more info there are encyclopedias for this sort of thing.
Less common red wine varieties which make, in my view, good wine are Negru de Drăgășani (black cherries, blackberries, blueberries and other dark fruit) and Novac (raspberries, sour cherry, cloves, black pepper, dark chocolate – I do not do tasting notes myself so I just copied these from some professional wine taster, I find describing wines in such detail a bit silly), both from Drăgășani, a wine region in southern Romania, and both obtained by different crossings of an old Romanian pre- phylloxera grape Negru Vârtos with the grape Saperavi. They make a velvety red wine with some aging potential and one of the local candidates to making what some might call “Great Wines.” Negru Vârtos – meaning strong, powerful black – was one of the more appreciated pre phylloxera wines of Romania, and it was preserved in Negru de Drăgășani and Novac.
As a note, many of the wines that are traditional to Romania (which contains the subregion Moldova) are also common in the now independent country Moldova. Some say one grape comes from one or other, but being that the language and culture are mostly common (despite the best efforts of Russians to make Moldova Russian), I do not think it is relevant. Jancis Robinson makes claims about this, for example, but I find it meaningless. The national grape of Moldova is Rară neagră which is simply another name for Băbească Neagra.
Now to go through a few more grapes quickly… Grasă de Cotnari -gras means fat – is the flagship grape of the Cotnari region and is used to make sweet, aromatic white wine – and I remember reading that it was also planted in South Africa for this purpose. Fetească Regala is a cross between Fetească Alba and Grasă de Cotnari in order to get a more aromatic wine, but used for dry whites. Francusă is the Cotnari grape used for dry and rather acidic wine. In the old days people in general preferred sweet wines to dry, but the legend goes that Cotnari wine was generally so sweet that the boyars occasionally drank some Francusă as a palate cleanser.
Crâmpoşia is one of the grapes believed to date back to ancient Dacia. Crâmpoșie Selecționată was obtained from Crâmpoșie crossed with a grape called Gordan, which I know little about, in order to solve some problems with sterile vines. It has high acidity and is used to make fresh, fruity whites. While traditionally used for dry wines, the possibility of both high sugar and high acidity made it useful for semi sweet and sparkling wines (Prince Stirbey vineyard makes a good sparking from Crâmpoșie). Another local wine use for sparkling is Mustoasa de Madarad, from the Arad region of western Romania.
Tămaioasă Românească – tămaie means frankincense – is of the main white grapes used in Romania to make sweet aromatic wine. Although traditionally only used for sweet, some dry varieties were produced recently, due to the changing of tastes towards dry wines – Romanians still like a lot of sweet or semi-dry wines but tastes are shifting. Some of the dry versions were, in fact, pretty good. The grape is related to the French Muscat de Frontignan. A variation called Tămaioasă Roza – used to make a rose sweet wine – is actual Muscat de Frontignan, but they are, apparently, not allowed to call it that.
Another sweet rose wine of some fame is Busuioaca de Bohotin. Busuioc means basil and it is a reference to the wine being quite aromatic. This was, during communism, grown on a limited surface and was reportedly Ceaușescu’s favourite. Due to this – the dictator drunk it and the people didn’t get any – after communism it got real popular because everyone wanted to drink Busuioaca. In the 90’s, probably 10 times more Busuioaca was sold than produced, a cheap, sweet red wine of the poorest quality. Recently, a few reputable producers made some, and while I’m not a fan, it can be pretty good as sweet wines go.
As far as international grapes, I would say that if you are a fan of Pinot Noir, I would be very careful buying Romanian one. It is most likely bad, and not very typical due to the hot summers. Say what you will of Romania as a wine region, Burgundy it is not. Not even, say, Oregon. Furthermore, Pinot Noir was mostly made in Romania as a semi-sweet red wine of poor quality. It was what Romania was known in the past in England and Germany for – bad cheap Pinot for students and drunks.
I was thinking of making one more post on recommended Romanian wines, but due to the availability in the states, there is little point. I already mentioned the wineries I like in the first post. Most wines from those are good. To highlight a few, Fetească Neagra I like from SERVE (Guy Tyrel de Poix), Bauer (FN quite different style to others), Davino, Balla Geza (Stone Wine Fetească Neagra) and Ferdi Feteasca Neagra – although this is nearly impossible to get in Romania, small family winery which does not really retail in stores, you need to know a guy. . . For Negru de Drăgășani and Novac the top is Prince Stirbey. There are other producers in the Drăgășani area that make it and only one outside, Via Marchizului Negru de Drăgășani from the somewhat hotter Dealu Mare, but an interesting variation of the wine. White wines I drink less of, but recommend the same producers. Stirbey and Bauer make great Sauvignon Blanc, but that is not a local grape. Bauer is the main oenologist of Stirbey, who made his own boutique winery with great results and even made the first Orange wine in Romania.
About where to get it … TotalWine apparently has the mid-range Recas, which OMWC reviewed. The net said something about Mariano’s in the Chicago area, but we will have to ask Swiss if that is true. Mission Liquor & Wines Pasadena, CA, had, at least on the website, Nedeea – a blend of Fetească Neagra, Negru de Drăgășani and Novac and some Panciu which should be decent if not spectacular. The website has some stuff on it, no idea if it retails or how. Besides that… who knows.
I don’t like Wine any longer, it makes me Angry Yusef!
You want some cheese with that?
I like Cheese
Pie, when are you coming to visit the US?
whenever the cost does not seem prohibitive to me. I also need a visa.
You could also use MasterCard or American Express.
AmEx is very uncommon here. I have one as a company card for business travel don’t know anyone else among my friends here to have one.
You could use us as a reference… wait, you want to visit, not be banned.
I don’t need a reference I foresee no trouble getting one. I just need to pay 200 dollars or so and don’t want to do that until I need it
You’re doing it wrong. You’re supposed to take a makeshift raft to Mexico and then walk across the border.
I get the impression that most of these wines (even the terrible ones) would probably be lost on me.
I’ve taken a wine recommendation from OMWC before, and now it’s one of my favorite wines, certainly. … But a discerning palate I do not have when it comes to wine.
Drink what you like. Don’t apologize.
nonsense. that way lies anarchy. Any more of that out of you and you monocle privileged will be revoked
Taking this advice means sticking to whiskey, scotch, beer, and the odd cocktail. … Can do!
HM-Dad approves.
I live for HM-Dad’s approval. Danke, senpai!
Try Amrut fusion if you like malt and Smokey. I’m not a scotch fan, but was very impressed.
https://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/amrut-fusion-whisky/
I will keep an eye out for it. Looks like it’s right up my alley.
I could take or leave wine, but I’m the same in terms of palate. I think it’s because I don’t practice enough. I have a better taste for bourbon because I like it and actively seek it out, but if I drink wine it’s usually because it’s what happens to be around.
Yeah, that’s about as often as I drink wine–when it’s around. I only rarely seek it out.
Bourbon, yes, once you’ve had some of the good stuff, it really grows on you.
I wouldn’t take advice on what to put in my mouth or swallow from OMWC. *shudders*
It’s fine as long as you’re out of his age-range.
But we’ll get to individual grapes eventually?
of course. Every grape is special.
My experiment with the 2016 Feteasca was encouraging, but it really needed an hour or so to breathe when I opened it, and then a run thru’ one of those Magic Decanter aerators. It wasn’t as oaky as I’d expected.
which one is that again?
The La Pulere.
Ugh. LA PUTERE
Mariano’s and Binnie’s if you are in the Chicago area….Foremost and Cardinal in the City of Chicago proper.
There is a Binnie’s on my way home from work, and one 20 minutes north of me that does have some Romanian wines.
is there some Romanian community in Chicago? Seems a lot of stores
Yes. I cannot remember which trade was heavily Romanian – laying tile or glazier.
I may have to make another batch of wine myself. I gave a half gallon to my mother to cook with. She drank it and now wants more. A friend of mine helped me out with some heavy physical labor recently and I gave him a half-gallon just because. I explained to him also that wine is for cooking, not drinking. He drank it and now wants some more. Geez. Apparently the wine I make in a five gallon bucket is better than the stuff they can buy.
I will make a new batch and not tell anyone.
plant some Capsunica
I am already drowning in muscadines each fall. I dont know if I could stand another vine. I have one vine that produces at least 100 lbs of fruit. I made two 4 gallon batches last fall and still had more fruit than I knew what to do with. I left them on the vine and the critters come from all around and eat them. Every night there is at least one family of opossum and one family of raccoon. If the vines weren’t fenced I am sure the bears would be showing up as well – my figs are outside the fence and I have yet to get a single fig for myself.
*I am not certain because I didn’t get a good look but I think a coatimundi showed up as well. They are rare in Louisiana but we do have a few. Last official siting was in the mid ’70s in Jonesville – about an hour’s drive due east from here.
Lol, that’s funny. Suthen is turning everyone he knows into winos with his evul concoctions. Wine is to cook with! Stop drinking it! I honestly lol’d at that.
I left out the part where the requests for more came only three days after I gave it to them. A half of a gallon in three days. Good lord.
“This batch has been denatured. You’ll have to cook it long enough to evaporate the methanol.”
::projectile vomits::
God, worse than putting ice cubes in Boone’s Farm, and that’s vile.
Also, great article Pie. Thanks for touching on the hybrid.
Stay away from Germany…Cola and beer get mixed too.
Mostly Sprite though. Silly people do that . Looking at you Number 6. Limeys man no taste
Eh… Radlers are good summertime drinking. I don’t know WHEN you drink a colabeer.
Before wine cola?
In Romania there is a saying: VInul dupa bere e placere, berea dupa vin e un chin
Weird. Americans don’t have a place for wine in that saying. We just compare liquor and beer
Liquor then wine, you’ll be fine.
Am I out of lemonade and giving it to a 10 year old?
Where was this sage advice when my kids were younger?!!
That’s what OMWC said?
Normally, shandy is made with lager or bitter, but of preference, “mild” if you can find it. You don’t want too many hops in the beer component.
Shandy is really training wheels for soon-to-be-boozers and for really hot days (inasmuch as you get ‘hot days’ in England)
I went to a Vietnamese wedding, on on every table at the reception was a bottle of brandy, a carafe of water, and a carafe of sprite for mixing.
::projectile vomits::
The FUCK???!? Europeans are supposed to be refined. Europeans are the white people of people.
They sent their best and brightest to the colonies.
Then killed those that somehow remained in a couple of world wars.
All that are left are the cowardly dullards with no personal motivation.
But enough about the Cuomo family.
This was a base betrayal by Bitburger – “Bitte ein Bit” NO MORE.
::projectile vomits::
“God, worse than putting ice cubes in Boone’s Farm, and that’s vile.”
Boone’s Farm was already vile. It’s worse than putting fruit into beer, almost.
It’s worse than putting fruit into beer,. . . .
Not a fan of sours then, huh.
I have four batches of sour that I need to bottle pretty soon. Two blondes, one with raspberry, the other with orange and vanilla. Two reds, one with cherries, the other with elderberries. The elderberry flanders red is turning out pretty fucking awesome.
Sours, yes, I like. But not with fruit, blech!
QUESTION FOR PIE – any local equivalent of Port?
Port is the Mario Batali of white people wines
It appologises with a cheapass cinnamon roll recipe?
*breaks off top of Port bottle, waves sharp end around*
I DON’T BELIEVE I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, DID I?
I think Pomp needs to shut his whore mouth while the real men talk.
Nothing screams throbbing 9″ erections, carpentry, and tufts of chest hair quite like a chalice of port.
Christmas Day tragedy 2015: I got my dad a bottle of 20 year tawny port. He accidentally put down the unopened bottle too hard on a tile floor, and it shattered. It was all lost.
Do you scoff at me for crying, Mr. Lebowski? Strong men also weep, sir.
“Nothing screams throbbing 9″ erections, carpentry, and tufts of chest hair quite like a chalice of port.”
Especially if it comes with a manly size leg of boar. I like drinking my giant chalice of port while waving around my giant leg of boar and yelling at the serving wenches ‘come thee, wench, and have a bite of my boar!’.
“Cometh here, an I shall giveth thee some of my hog!”
This was the smoothest thing I have ever had the pleasure of drinking.
I hope someone else was footing the bill.
Indeed – it was a welcome home from Iraq gift from a wealthy friend. I kept it until 2017….then popped it open with my closest old friends.
Ugh. Someone got a real bargain
Da fuq?! I can only hope it was stored next to a furnace.
I’d expect to be paying $250-300 for a well-kept 1967. Minimum.
I knew there was why I have a bottle of port.
Porto
Thick sweet wine with alcohol in it = port
They’re not all sweet, and a ruby or crusted might be more to your tastes.
I always liked the idea of trying a good sherry but never had one
Port, sherry, madeira – the trouble is that the low-end ones are all pretty nasty. The high end ones can get very pricey. I used to sink a lot of those kinds of wines but I’m getting a bit old now, and with no gall bladder, I have to watch out for getting gout.
I got gout once, but no idea why. My left big toe hurt for about a week. Sometimes I would just be walking and it would feel like being stabbed in the toe, I almost fell down once because of it. Thankfully, it went away.
You can get gout if you’re mildly dehydrated. It’s a common problem if you’re on diuretics, and/or your sodium levels are AFU.
I had one good bottle of Port gifted to me once, actually brought from Portugal, my daughter in law was living in Lisbon at the time. I don’t remember that being too sweet, but I drank the whole bottle and I was fairly buzzed, I remember that part. The stuff in the picture is just some cheap stuff the wife bought once. It’s way too sweet.
I’ve had that stuff in the past. We ended up using for cooking.
“fairly buzzed”?! That was the equivalent of drinking two regular bottles of wine!
Is that a lot?
Port is red wine, supplemented by brandy. 2 bottles of 20+% ABV. You do the math.
1 bottle was what my math was based on, and then Swiss was comparing it to two bottles of I guess, 9-10% wine. One litre of 20% alcohol? Yeah, sort of buzzy, but not in outer space buzzy.
Ok, I don’t remember, but it was some extent of buzziness. How do we say this is math?
1 * 20% = Good Time
A liter? Wine bottles are usually 750cc. But still, it’s a fair whack of ethanol there, buddy.
Nope. No tradition of fortified wine.
Drat.
Thanks.
Do all the wines there come in old style seltzer bottles?
They’ve been reusing the same bottles since the arrival of communism.
Only the top shelf stuff
Oh right, there were those plastic jugs in the picture of the roadside stand last time.
They’ve been reusing those since the arrival of communism too. The wine-embued plastic helps cover the flavor of whatever got swept into the most recent batch.
I want to buy some just for those bottles, I like those bottles, they will look good on my shelves.
Also today is Pie day
I thought Europeans celebrated on 22/7.
Who wants to wait for july to have an excuse to have pie?
Also, I forgot to bake a pie for today.
Thankfully, there’s still time!
I have to run to the store regardless, but today is a lifting day, so I’ll need an idea that doesn’t take too long to make…
This isn’t fast but subbed in almonds (don’t like pecans) and used dark chocolate.
Frickin’ delicious!
“don’t like pecans”
Blasphemy!
*guy who has planted hundreds of pecan trees and lives in the pecan capital of the world
Paper shell pecans?
I prefer wild sweet pecans. Much smaller, much harder to crack but higher oil content, lower tannin content. I planted for wildlife food. I dont like grafted trees. They are more expensive to acquire and are not nearly as hardy. I want something I can plant and walk away from without having to baby.
Hunting leases already pay about as much as timber. Pecans draw a lot of game animals. Hopefully the price keeps going up and one day I wont have to cut any more trees.
My parents have the small sweet pecans. My grandpa had the paper shell. I would eat way too many because they were so easy to crack and so much meat.
I know that feel. Today is a lifting day for me, as well, and I’ll need to pick up some stuff at the store, too. The good news is, seems like most of the time required is spent in the oven.
This is my plan–but I’m also cheating and buying a premade crust because not everyone has their pie-crust-life down like a certain someone who batches and freezes.
Booooo!!!
Hmm, so it is, Happy Pie Day Pie!
All lies, pi day was 3/1. CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS.
I’m still loving the Romanian themed articles Pie. Thanks for taking the time to write them.
Anyway if any of the Chicago stores have Flamboyant or Purpura Valahica please let me know how much it costs
Will do.
Hey! Found something you’ll love on Total Wine:
http://www.totalwine.com/p/100654750
Is this one I should try, Pie? Also, thanks for putting in all the work for the article.
Also this:
Hey! Found something you’ll love on Total Wine:
http://www.totalwine.com/p/111996750
That was the one I had.
That’s the one that needed a run through an aeration?
On the first bottle, it improved it. Might just be a bad bottle – I’m going to reserve judgment until I’ve had all three,
By the time you’ve gotten to the third bottle, it doesn’t matter how it tastes.
/binge drinker
Also the one OMWC revied in some sunday links
9 billion children will die!
Wait.. What.the.fuck? This person is attending a University? We’re all fucking doomed, I tell you, and not because The tax bill is going to kill 9 billion people, but because people like this babbling moron are soon going to running the country.
1) How exactly is the tax bill sentencing people to death?
2) How does the tax bill prevent people from getting healthcare?
3) There are only ~7 billion people on Earth, is he counting future children, who will ostensibly be without healthcare?
C’mon Q, get with the program.
1) The tax bill reduces revenues to the government and the government is the only entity capable of paying for healthcare, ergo, everyone has been sentenced to death.
2) see 1)
3) It’s already killed 2 billion people!
I had a leftist tell me once that 40 million people in the USA a year were dying from no healthcare before the ACA passed. And she was dead serious. 40 million, that’s like 15% of the entire population. When I challenged her math, she tried to defend it and I just said ‘Ok, I think we are done here’.
Anyway, aren’t the left always calling for a severe reduction in population? 9 billion would certainly accomplish that.
Let’s make it a suicide pact. They go first.
Certainly, the ones calling for it need to provide an example for the rest of us, first.
She probably watches CNN, I’m almost sure they’ve actually made all of those claims.
There are only ~7 billion people on Earth, is he counting future children, who will ostensibly be without healthcare?
He’s counting the millions of potential children he murders with a sock every morning.
“It’s troubling that the university initially caved to the request of a third party to withhold public records, and even more troubling that when they did eventually release the footage, they claimed to do so because they ‘received consent’ from the Treasury Department,” he told CBS News.
Fair point, but I don’t think releasing the video does UCLA or the hecklers any favors.
I always ask myself this question. How can any parent paying for a University degree for a child, actually see that and think ‘Yeah, this is where I want my child to be, it’s really worth all that money’. I mean unless the parents is just already a far left loon.
That is a big problem for me, right now. My boy is about to start high school which means it’s only a few years before college starts looming. (and my husband is a big college pusher, and will not entertain ‘no degree’.) But I look at all this shit with despair. I went to UCLA and the most ‘activism’ we had was MeCha tables and stuff like that, not this insanity.
Depends on what your son ends up wanting to study, and how tolerant you are of low-levels of ambient campus derp.
There are still colleges out there that provide a valuable education in a sane environment, but you might have to do some footwork to find the right ones.
“Demoralization is the process of brainwashing a person so that no matter how much information you give them they cannot draw a sensible conclusion. Once a person is demoralized you cannot fix them. You are stuck with them.” – Yuri Bezmenov
That is some first rate useful idiot gibberish coming from those kids. I find it indistinguishable from the rantings of the mentally ill. And we are stuck with them.
The best thing? They’ll eventually graduate, and that scrap of paper will tell them all they need or want to know about their place in the world and the virtuousness of their lives. The exorbitant price tag will only reinforce that perception.
They’ll wind up at that university, forever, or go into government. Or stay with their parents, forever. No one in the private sector will put up with them for 5 minutes.
Unless it’s Google.
Google can’t continue that non-sense and stay where they are now. When you’ve decided to exclude a wide swath of the talent pool for some silly political ends, there’s just no way that can last. Sure, they have enough money now to kick the can down the road for a while, but not forever.
I guess I get that idea from living in the real world where my clients are constantly trying to recruit and maintain the best talent, because not doing so could be disastrous.
^^^This. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
Sears was invincible… until it wasn’t.
IBM was invincible… until it wasn’t.
Microsoft was invincible… until is wasn’t.
That these Silicon Valley giants think they’re the exception is extreme hubris.
Bethlehem Steel used to be the poster child for an immortal industrial giant. Shit, remember when Lycos was running TV ads? There isn’t a company big enough that it can’t be taken down a peg by some new kid on the block.
Don’t even need to go back to prehistory with Lycos. Yahoo’s an even better example of creative destruction in action.
Yeah, but Kikkoman is a conglomerate of 8 soy sauce companies, the earliest of which, were founded in 1603.
You’re just shilling for Big Soy!
Well, the USA is the world’s largest producer of soybeans.
#MAGA
The greatest difficulty and greatest expense in any business is competent talent. This is why everything the pinkos touch turns to shit. This is why they are always bitching about meritocracy.
This is why google and Facebook and the youtube is going to die. This is why comics are going to die.
One of the only things Chomsky ever said that isn’t retarded:
“Governments will use whatever technology is available to combat their primary enemy – their own population.”
Too bad this will almost certainly be killed by the Team Blue House.
http://www.koaa.com/story/37682432/colorado-senate-passes-bill-approving-concealed-carry-without-permit
From the state website
Interestingly it passed the Senate SVMA committee but I would not bet on this ever passing the House committee.
Ummmm… I thought 1A pretty much covered this…
https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/42902/
Good on them for actually fighting back in some fashion, but it’s pathetic that it’s necessary.
If it’s a publicly funded organization, then they absolutely should not be allowed to disallow speech they don’t like. If it’s private org, then I suppose they should be allowed to try, but then they can also deal with the consequences. Speech codes at universities are nothing more than a trial run at imposing the same thing on the entire population. You can’t have commietopia with free speech and gun rights.
I can’t wait for Scott to be gone. Gun control and speech control? What IS there to like?
It amazes me how fascistic the Left has become in such a short amount of time. When I was in college in the early aughts, I joined some liberal groups to protest free speech zones (and the Iraq War) and now, according to the article, it was liberal groups that lobbied to stop a bill that would have eliminated free speech zones.
I think it’s simply stopped being diplomatic about its aims.
The vast majority of “the left” were just following the plan, and parroting what their thought leaders had been saying. Once the thought leaders develop Tourettes, the parrots get Tourettes too.
Exactly right. I remember Jane Fonda cozying up with the NVA. Fascism is leftism. The left has always been Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro and Chavez. It’s baked right into their philosophy. The ones we have here are no different. Didn’t the NYT just publish an op-ed pining for all of the deplorables to die?
“Didn’t the NYT just publish an op-ed pining for all of the deplorables to die?”
You’d have to be more specific. I think there have been a couple of those articles, including a hand full published in conservative publications, too
Uh…too lazy to look it up. someone linked to it yesterday or the day before. Anyway the question was rhetorical.
I don’t have any doubt about exactly what happened. And it all happened after Barak Obama was elected. When Obama took office, the left, after having quietly labored for the last 100 years to take over public education, the media, and everything else they could get their tentacles into, and with amazing success, they had finally arrived. This was it, the finality to their long struggles, they would set up their 1000 year reign. Socialism had finally won, the only thing left to do now was reign over their conquered world.
I mean I wouldn’t have believed this myself is not listening to their constant proclamations for 2 years. And then, disaster struck. They were wiped out during the 2010 midterms and even more decimated by the 2014 midterms. But then the worst finally came, Donald Trump. Their world was crushed and lain waste. All of their decades of tireless labor were for nothing, after all.
Of course, their woe is totally unfounded, they still have an iron death grip on public education, the media, entertainment, etc. But they had it all! Nothing left to do now but go stark raving mad and resist! Seize power back by any means necessary! Revolution!
This is exactly what is going on.
But, what to do about the useful idiots in our mists?
How do you know they are there if you cant see them?
Ah, you caught that one. I found the word play clever and that’s all that matters to me
I find it very unsettling that that is what is going on.
What they forgot is that failure is built into their philosophy. Even after they put all of the useful idiots up against the wall they will have removed all of the incentives for people to succeed and thus no one will succeed. Failure follows.
30 years ago I never would have believed that the Russians would be snickering about how stupid we are for letting socialism take hold in the US.
The one protest at my college was against a program with the Navy. The protest was simply because the Navy was involved. The irony is the project was one regarding improving the process of recycling old warships so that they’re not just dumping every piece of toxic garbage into the ocean.
It’s as if the lefties championing liberal values under Bush suddenly forgot all about liberalism after eight years under Obama. It’s like the thing they object to most under Trump is losing all the power that Obama promised was their birthright and destiny.
They’ve long abandoned any pretense of liberal, they’re leftists, and they proudly proclaim it. There’s nothing liberal in that. Neo Puritan authoritarians is what they are.
Free speech is a threat to the powerful. The left currently wields the balance of power in our society, so of course they want to protect it. The right, realizing they have lost most of the powerful institutions in society, now recognizes the value of dissent.
i am not really a wine-drinker. almost never touch the stuff outside of wedding-type events. i’m allergic to some reds, and its unpleasant enough its hasn’t been worth experimenting to find out which ones i’m guaranteed to be cool-with
however, i visited portugal a while back and discovered that Vinho Verde and I were like long-lost relatives recently reacquainted. it went for about $3 a bottle back then (a beer was about the same) and i took advantage of this price/alchol-differential by drinking ~3 bottles with every meal.
this was the stuff i liked the most (tho there could very well be brands that were better, it was the easiest to pronounce, everyone seemed to have it, and the waiters seemed to nod “good choice bro”, although that could have been my imagination.
i took home a case and drank it all in like a 24 hour period. it really went down like water. Absolutely delicious.
You’re probably reacting to the tannins. Of course, in reds and some whites, that’s inescapable.
I get sneezy from beer sometimes. So there’s something in there sets it off. I don’t get that from liquors.
everyone always says that. its not the tannins, its something to do with something in the skin dark-red grapes. “sulfites” i think, but i think its more-specific than that.
Whites are typically higher in sulfites than reds, although that’s a sweeping generality. See below for my conclusions re: planalto
Yeah, again: more-specific than just ‘sulfites’, tho they might be involved. something to do with interaction with proteins in certain red-grapes. No whites that have ever triggered a reaction.
i had some long conversation w/ wine expert about the subject many years ago, and they more or less explained it to me; however, we then got hammered and i forgot it all.
Assuming that’s what they call white wine? Oddly enough, I can’t remember my wife using that term. Maybe it’s actually a brand or certain type of wine?
They’re just very young wines, Comparable to beujolais nouveaux, but typically white.
Sometimes slightly sparkling, low alcohol content.
Sounds like something wifey would drink, she loves Moscatos and other bubbly low alcohol wine. I just asked her and she does know what Vinho Verde is.
It’s a Portuguese thing, not a Brazilian thing.
Almost everything that is a Portugal thing, is a Brazilian thing also. I guess the Portuguese took some of that culture with them. No doubt Brazil has since made their own cultural thing also. My wife’s ancestry is Portuguese and Italian. Quite sassy winimz they be.
“white wine”
no, either “green” or “fresh” is the more-literal translation
as per my note below “vinho branco” is their term for generic white
Yes, that’s correct. Verde is green literally translated from Portuguese. But since there is no such thing as green wine, I had to think it’s a type of white wine. They surely wouldn’t call something verde that is made from red grapes, I wouldn’t think. But like I said, it’s the first time I have ever heard that term.
Wiki:
OMWC claims you can take a Benadryl prior to drinking and it will prevent any bad reactions to the wine.
It works for beer, but it will also make you go to sleep.
Win/win!
Thank you, Mr. Cosby!
“OMWC’s grape juice makes my butt hurt, Daddy.”
*perhaps slight correction
i don’t know if planalto was technically a vinho verde (many varieties of which are more like sparkling wines, like prosecco, and not what i was talking about);
they call it “branco” which i think is just plain ‘white’. but if i recall they always listed it on menus with the Verde wines (maybe its a blend of white and green?; donno, just know it was much lighter-bodied than most whites and had a unique tang to it)
Well, it’s possibly s distinction without a difference. Vinho Verde is a DOC for the wine district west of Douro, which is the district the Planalto is from.
One thing I note on that page is that the Planalto is fermented in stainless steel and never goes near wood casks. Might be an avenue worth pursuing regarding your sensitivity to some wines.
“Vinho Verde is a DOC for the wine district west of Douro”
Ah, well now it is making sense.
There’s a district which has its own official name for the produce. You can’t call any old wine ‘Vinho Verde”, just like you can’t call any old sparkling wine “Champagne” or any old red “Burgundy”.
Right, I get it now, it makes perfect sense, that’s where I was trying to get to. Thanks.
“just like you can’t call any old sparkling wine ‘Champagne'”
Maybe *you* can’t…
It’s all spumante. The way that Brazilians pronounce champagne makes me wince. It sounds like ‘Chawm’ – ‘Pine’ and it’s all drawn out. *shivers*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_wine_headache
Red wine headache (“RWH”) is a headache often accompanied by nausea and flushing that occurs after consuming red wine in susceptible individuals. White wine headaches have been less-commonly reported. Dr. Frederick G. Freitag, a headache specialist and associate professor at the Medical College of Wisconsin, believes red wine headaches are likely linked to tyramine and tannins in wine. Dan L. Keiller, president of the Medical Wine Interest and Education Society, reports that histamine in wine may be a cause as well.
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Histamine is present in a variety of bacterially fermented products such as wine, aged cheeses, and sauerkraut. Red wine has 20–200% more histamine than white wine, and those who are allergic to it may be deficient in the enzyme diamine oxidase. Experts believe that in some individuals, alcohol consumption may lead to elevated plasma histamine levels even in the absence of histamines in the beverage consumed. A study of 16 people with an intolerance to red wine found no difference in reactions to low and high histamine wines. Other biogenic amines may also have an effect.
If you are “allergic” but not getting headaches, you are probably reacting to histamines.
nope. not that either.
i get swelling of throat/difficulty breathing, watery eyes/nose running, dizzyness, violent nausea (vomiting) , pain in joints… its more severe than this “very common wine-reactions” stuff.
many reds don’t cause any reaction at all. some cause violent one. its more specific than the ‘typical’ things people have. the last time i tried to figure out what it was, the resident-know-it-all narrowed it down to certain proteins only present in dark-red grapes. If i cared enough, i’d figure out which wines have these and avoid them; however, i rarely drink wine anyway, so never remember which is which and just avoid them in general.
Pretty much all “red wine” grapes are black-skinned grapes.
“certain proteins only present in some dark-red grapes”
clearer?
Sorry. I thought that was a useful tidbit of information (from an amateur winemaker).
*Previously on Happy Days*
Richie Cunningham: Hey, Fonz, what’s your opinion about Jeff Sessions’ lawsuit against California’s statewide sanctuary city policy?
Fonzie: I fully support the sovereign right of states to make their own laws and institute policies that its underlying local governments must comply with
Richie Cunningham: Well, what about Texas’ policy that instituted a statewide ban against sanctuary cities
Fonzie: Well, I oppose that. It’s clearly unconstitutional
Richie Cunningham: Wait- you just said that you ‘fully support the sovereign right of states to make their own laws and institute policies that its underlying local governments must comply with’, so why doesn’t that apply to Texas?
Fonzie: Richie, employing the Constitution to defend your position is good if your position is supported by modernity. All anti-modernity positions are against the Constitution
Richie Cunningham: I think you should just say that you’re an inconsistent knucklehead who employs the Constitution only when it buttresses your own policy preferences. By the way, Fonz, my dad said he wants the rent money by the end of the week because he’s increasingly drawn to the concept of throwing leather jacket wearing bums out on their asses.
Fonzie: *thumbs up* Ayeeeeeeeee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VijD3WjREgw
Another great example is Arizona’s immigration law from 5ish years ago. Lefties just about went mute screaming about how evil and unconstitutional that law was.
I’ve yet so see anyone give an example of other countries that allow voting with no ID. Not saying there are not any, just don’t know.
UK. It’s only Northern Ireland that requires photo IDs for national elections.
Some local elections now do need ID, but that’s relatively new.
Well, they need to all get to the polls and vote me some public funding for my UK burka factory before demand goes sky high. Got to get them crony bucks a rollin. I’ll be the Elon Musk of the UK. Burkas in space!
That’d be cool. Are your burkas going to randomly self-ignite too?
Feature, not a bug.
Here’s the gist of it: if you want liberal immigration policies, like I do (and the US already has, to be frank), then you do yourself a disservice by being deceitful in how you apply your principles. Neoliberals (which is a better description for the bulk of TOS writers, rather than the term ‘libertarian’) value liberal immigration policy, but rather than being up front about that being their guiding principle they instead choose to lie and selectively apply concepts like ‘federalism’ as cover for their preferred policy goal. What that demonstrates to the average voter is that they are liars. So rather than believing that the neoliberal will deal in good faith by balancing their preference for liberal immigration with voter demands for some limitations, voters turn around and vote for outright restrictionists (as has occurred in the US, Italy, Austria, and Germany if it weren’t for the fact that the Christian Democrats and Social Democrats continue to cobble together a nonsensical coalition between the two parties in order to cheat the restrictionists out of governing.
And rather than trying to convince or persuade the public away from restrictionist politicians, neoliberals engage in demagoguery or outright snobbery by mocking voters as too dumb to realize that you have a better chance of getting mauled by a bear than of being killed in a terrorist attack.
Neoliberal lies and rigidity on only two issues (trade and immigration) has become the midwife to fascism (literally, if we are talking about Europe). If only fascists are willing to listen to the concerns of voters with regards to free trade and immigration, then voters will elect fascists.
Why should there be any “balance” when it comes to liberty? The rights of the minority, or of the individual, mean nothing in a republic if populist mob-rule can always use its heckler’s veto.
Freedom of migration is an unrealized natural right, so long as there is a state. And I’m not even sure that it is preferable to have that natural right realized, as in order to ensure that such a right is protected would require a supranational state.
That’s my contention. I do believe that there is a natural right to the freedom of migration, but that freedom across national lines cannot be realized. Naturally, that right should be recognized within national borders.
You don’t need a supranational state to realize that right any more than any other enforcement of international norms.
But it was realized all the time before Romantic nationalism led to the creation of the ethnostate. Indeed, the Magna Carta enshrined the right of all peaceable people to enter into England to conduct business unmolested. It is only because of piss-poor history teaching and our overall myopic view of human events do we think the nation-state is the eternal, natural form of societal organization.
I maintain that the only stance that is compatible with the NAP is that the state should neither subsidize nor prohibit migration. Either action requires the threat of deadly force against peaceful individuals.
“I maintain that the only stance that is compatible with the NAP is that the state should neither subsidize nor prohibit migration. Either action requires the threat of deadly force against peaceful individuals.”
Therein lies the rub. No state is going to give up that much power.
“But it was realized all the time before Romantic nationalism led to the creation of the ethnostate.”
I take issue with the implication that those who would prefer some restrictions on immigration as supporting an ‘ethnostate’. I think that is unhelpful (particularly since it isn’t true in most cases).
You’re right that the nation-state is a recent invention. And natural rights are not dependent upon state authorities. But, in order to freely exercise a natural right one would need some enforcement mechanism. Just as your right to free speech must be secured by force, sometimes.
What can be done about the nation-state? It exists and therefore we must deal with the constraints of the institution. Just as some have made peace with the fact that the state is involved with marriages and therefore it must recognize all marriages (rather than rejecting this compromise and continuing to demand that the state cannot be involved in marriage), I contend that the rational position is to recognize that borders do exist and therefore at most we should ensure that the largest number of migrants are allowed to cross these borders (rather than rejecting this compromise and continuing to demand the elimination of these borders).
I didn’t intend to implicate that. What I meant is that before the rise of romantic nationalism, we tended not to think of countries as composed of a triad of ethnicity, language, and geographic boundaries (e.g., “This is France, people who live there are French, and they speak French.”). In fact, romantic nationalism was a specific reaction to multi-ethnic “realms”, like the Austro-Hungarian Empire (which had 8 official languages, if I remember correctly), in that the populace was resentful over being ruled from far away by a person who might not even speak their language, much less believe in their religion, or look like them. As such, in the past migration wasn’t seen as much as joining an organic “nation” composed of a certain ethnicity, language, and culture but swearing allegiance to a particular monarch or government.
I agree with the majority of your 3rd paragraph, but I disagree that calling for an end to government interference in peaceful migration means eliminating borders. Borders still demarcate jurisdiction and their relative permeability wouldn’t change that. And while I respect that the perfect is the enemy of the good, that doesn’t mean that belief in fundamental principles should waver. The right to self-defense is also a fundamental liberty. I don’t care how many brats skip school, I am not budging one inch. Ayn Rand once said something to the effect that anytime good compromises with evil, evil wins.
You must know that the quickest way to my heart is to praise the Hapsburg dynasty.
I agree with your distaste for the nation state and frankly I think we generally agree on the principle. Our disagreement seems to be over methods. I fear the retaliation being brought about by the uncompromising position on immigration more than anything. And, I also don’t believe that the right of migration is able to be realized so long as states exist.
Which ultimately means, in my contention, that in order to achieve more liberal immigration will require approval from the electorate. Anything less would have dire consequences, as we’ve seen with the case of Europe.
Again democracy trumps republicanism.
That is not my contention. Surely, you can recognize the difference between a natural right to speech within a nation’s borders and the natural right to migration across national borders. The nation-state exists. We should operate within its rules to our benefit, until the day when it no longer exists.
Unprincipled people aren’t just unprincipled, they simply do not understand what principles are.
SLUTS.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-sexual-revolution-will-be-televised-confessions-of-the-dallas-cowboys-cheerleaders
Factset: Impact of Proposed Steel Tariffs on Foreign Producers and their US Customers
quick-hit takeaway: probably the single largest customer of most of this stuff is the US Govt (and govt contractors). therefore the taxpayer pays the biggest hit (natch)
This isn’t especially super-duper analysis; but it *is* basic-analysis, and what irritates me is that 99% of journalists who have probably spilled 1000s of words on the topic still haven’t gotten to this very-basic level of insight on the topic.
Women and children hardest hit.