There seems to be some interest in Romanian wine. Now, one can probably write 100 posts on such a topic, so where to start? There are grapes, there are wines, and there is history. I will try a quick general introduction, and then will get more specific in potential future posts. Wine, like most things in this world, was invented on the present day territory of Romania by the dacians, although this fact has been covered up historically by other jealous people wanting to steal our legacy. Georgians and Armenians and middle easterners and the like. All lies. Romanian had the first and the best wine. It is known. That being said … to procede.
I could start with a bit about red wine. Red is the colour of the blood that was spilled defending the land and such pseudo patriotic nonsense. I will not. Although Romanians, believe you me, are very patriotic about their wine and consider it among the best. This may have been somewhat true for some wines 150 years ago, before it stagnated significantly and others – especially New World producers – had a bit of aggressive growth going on. This feeling has decreased somewhat in recent years which in turn has led to more imports – a good thing, because more wine variety and a bit of extra competition made the locals pick up their game.
This may break the hearts of some of our fine readers, but communism was not exactly beneficial to the wine industry – or any other. I have to be honest with you guys, communism sucks on all possible levels. Quality wine is bourgeois, comrades. The wine industry was devastated and reduced to producing cheap, low-quality wine, often with added sugar and artificial flavoring, which along with Bulgarian wines were drunk in Western Europe as wine for students with a very tight budget and a non-existent palate.

Map from revino.ro
The state controlled the wine, and while there were, like in all fields, a few passionate and honorable people who did a good job, because it was their nature, more were not thus. There were some wine research institutes that actually did great work, it must be said. But alas, they were in the minority. And, like in many areas in communism, there was laziness and theft. When it came to working, well, it is not my vineyard. When it came to taking, well, it belongs to all of us. Wine was not easily found in stores, nothing was, so people developed their home wine-making, a legacy which persists, producing bad wines in large quantities.
Then communism fell. And things, at first, got worse, which is to be expected in case of massive social upheaval. Many vineyards were abandoned. Many were split in minor parcels as part of distributing land to peasants. Many were simply uprooted. The wineries were closed or privatized. Many times the former workers of the agricultural cooperatives stole everything they could, and stainless steel – quite used in the wine business – was high on that list. It was mostly a disaster.
But then, after the first 10 years, slowly, too slowly if you ask me, things got better. There was a bit of a renaissance in the last 15 years or so, with more and more good wines produced. This was due to a significant inflow of both private investments, from Romanians and companies from the EU alike, and European Union funding. This led to a lot of replanting of vines and rebuilding wineries.
Some of the first doing quality were foreign. S.E.R.V.E was among the first, owned by a French count named Guy Tyrel de Poix since 1993. Oprișor is another, owned by the German Reh Kendermann group. Vinarte was created by a joint group of Romanians, Italians and French. Davino, probably the top producer, was started by a Romanian. Prince Stirbey was a continuation of an old Romanian noble family, but Baroness Ileana Kripp-Costinescu lived in Germany during communism and came with funds from there. Halewood is a British company that came here to make wines for England. Mihail Rotenberg was among the Jewish Romanians who was allowed to leave for Israel – probably after the Government got paid, made his money in engineering, and came back to Romania to make wine.

Rotenberg
While you may say many a things of the EU, the point I would make is this. If you happen to be in it, subject to all the rules and such, you might as well make the best of the funding available. This may split libertarians, but I am of a view that if the state is going to tax and spend, it is better to at least get something out of that spending. And the wine industry is one of the few areas where Romania, notoriously bad at getting EU funding due to massive corruption and incompetence, got 100% of available funds.
There was, in truth, some over-investment, as often happens in high growth areas, and also excessive expectations. Many expected to get their investment back fast and make a profit. They did not take the view we are building a multi-generational business, like many quality wineries are. Hoping to make a quick profit, most new vineyards wanted to make wine for the so called premium sector, which meant expensive rather than you know… good. There was a lot more premium wine than the market could bare. It was also hard to compete with outside producers, which had been investing for hundreds of years.
There were other issues. It is difficult to make great wine off 5 year old vines. Many of them talked of terroir when the vineyard was on its first wine. If we accept the terroir thing, we must also accept it takes time, years, to understand the soil, the micro-climate, to experiment and find a way to express the terroir. This is why talk of terroir is bullshit in at least 90% of cases.
In the last few years a sort of balance was achieved, more and more good wine appeared at reasonable prices. Most new entries in the last 5 years were not “premium”. It is still hard to compete with the old world for tradition and the New World for quantity and popularity, but things are moving in the right direction.
One mistake, in my view, with all this replanting was that mostly international grapes were planted. It is very hard to compete in the world market making one more Cabernet. It would have been much better to focus on local grape varieties. Some do, but not as many. Planting Touriga Nacional in Romania when you have yet to master the local varieties may be a bit of a rush.
Overall, Romania is a decent country for wine, geography wise. The soils, the climate, the sunshine hours are all pretty good. There is a risk of late spring frosts, but that is true for most of Europe. There is also, compared to counties like Chile, more variability from year to year, which means the wines are vintage dependent, not the same, but this is not always a bad thing. In most areas, summers are generally of the hot and dry varieties, which can limit the range of wines you can make. But there are a few cooler zones here and there.
Most of the wines regions of Romania are currently in the foothills of the Carpathian Mountains and some plateaus in Transylvania. This all covers a good bit of the country. Other regions are along the Danube, in Dobrogea close to the Black sea. And pretty much all over, really. To drop some names based on Romanian regions, in Muntenia there is Dealu Mare is one of the main red wine areas, close to the cities of Ploiesti and Buzau. In Oltenian is Drăgășani on the Olt river, Samburesti and a few others. There is Murfatlar and Ostrov and Sarica in Dobrogea by the sea. Vrancea, Cotnari and Odobesti are in Moldova. In Transylvania there is Tarnave and Miniș-Măderat and more. In Banat the main one is Recas. There are dozens more besides these, and not the time or space to cover them all.
Some people, in a case of being amusingly very wrong, claim Dealu Mare as the Bordeaux of Romania, as it is on the 45th parallel, same latitude as Bordeaux. Let’s ignore the different soil, different exposure, different accumulated heat, different sunshine hours, different rains, lack of the oceanic influence Bordeaux has and more. It is the same, really.
To close this long post, I will give some Romanian wine producers I like and some I do not. Producers I like are Davino, Stirbey, SERVE, Vinarte, Bauer, Ferdi, Oprisor, Rotenberg, and Wine Princess. Second tier producers Avincis, Petrovaselo, Vitis Metamorfosis, Corcova, Licorna, Segarcea. I would avoid Murfatlar, Jidvei, Cotnari, Vincon, Ostrov, Pietroasele and others I will not list.
So I guess this is it for the first one. Let me know if for the next you want something about grapes and actual wines or a bit more history and culture.
Mighty fine Writing Pie! i wish i could pull it off
Romania is a pretty neat place i guess
Parts of it are …
That’s logic that applies everywhere I would surmise my friend..
This is how Romanians drink their wine.
very droll
Sorry, I couldn’t think of any non-vampire related ethnic slurs, stereotypes, or jokes about Romanians, so I just took the easy way out.
Now Pollacks, on the other hand…
Don’t sweat it Pie. That is just how Gojira drolls. He doesn’t mean anything personal by it.
They’ve even got a Q approved version.
Baszd meg, inkább a Tokaji ital.
Tokaji tends to be to sweet or the one I seen round here
Traditionally it is a very sweet wine, being made from grapes that had noble rot that makes the juice have a higher starting sugar content. Newer varieties are being made from furmint grapes that are much drier, if you can find a bottle of that.
“So I guess this is it for the first one. Let me know if for the next you want something about grapes and actual wines or a bit more history and culture.”
What’s that Romanian wine that is made with the blood of virgins?
Egri Bikaver. (just kidding, Pie)
Ne kérek elnézést, mert helyes.
These posts are making me thirsty!
Thanks. I look forward to reading more.
Seconded – I want both grapes/wines and culture/history, plz.
WAMPIRI!
Wine.
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Fruit of the vine.
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Jugs of wine.
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Intoxicating.
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She is really, REALLY enjoying that cab!
Obligatory. I never drink.. wine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMBdUzv_yjk
damnit, I was just loading that up!
For reference, in the novel Dracula offers Harker Tokay wine. Which is Hungarian. Also, Lugosi was Hungarian. Basically everything good about Romania is Hungarian.
there is a sexist Romanian joke a man should have 3 wives. When young marry a Hungarian, they are great in bed. Middle age marry a woman from Moldova, the cook well. When old marry a woman from Oltenia, they are great at planing funeral feasts.
The novel drove me nuts in that it spent three chapters talking about breaking into Dracula’s house and 3 pages on killing him.
The novel’s writing is the fault of the Irish. Can’t blame that on Pie and his people.
James Joyce would like a word.
Never cared for Joyce that much. Besides, as a filthy mic myself, Stoker isn’t bad, but Dracula overshadowed his other work. “The White Wurm” and “In the Castle of the King” being my favorites. My favorite for Irish gothic has always been le Fanu though.
One mistake, in my view, with all this replanting was that mostly international grapes were planted. It is very hard to compete in the world market making one more Cabernet. It would have been much better to focus on local grape varieties.
Bless you, bless you, bless you! I just fucking HATE Italians and Chileans doing Chardonnay and Cabernet and Syrah. I’d love to know about local grape varieties there, especially with an eye toward which ones are suitable for varietals and which ones are more suitable for blending.
Agreed. Why make a more homogenized market when you can try to focus on a regional niche?
Cabernet I expected but when they planted Touriga Nacional and Sangiovese … One popular international grape not planted in ROmania is Malbec. Republic of Moldova has plenty of Malbec
For Yahweh’s sake, don’t plant Syrah or Viognier. There’s only one place on Earth where those can be made properly.
What kind of grapes go into red Franzia?
Kool Aid.
No no no, the Kool Aid goes into the neon-pink Barefoot.
Or maybe I’m mixing that up with Hi-C…
I disagree. Syrah can be okay in many places. Romania has plenty of Syrah or Shiraz, we call it both way. Hallewood makes a quite decent Viognier. What Romania truly desecrates is Pinot Noir. Seriously avoid Romanian Pinot. We don’t have the climate for it- summers are way to hot. While there are a couple of decent ones, it is safer to avoid. If you like Burgundy that is. And I think US has Oregon Washington for cooler climates for Pinot.
There’s the Rhone Valley and then there’s crap areas when it comes to Syrah and Viognier. Summers too hot? Syrah will make a very undistinguished and highly alcoholic red, missing all the great animal and spice character it achieves in the Northern Rhone (see: Aussie Shiraz). Worse yet, Viognier will either have to be picked too soon, losing its character, or you’ll get something over-alcoholic and flabby.
Of course, with the right chemistry set, “modern” winemakers can turn out cartoon versions.
Interesting. I’ve had Rhône wines, but I can’t remember if it was Syrah. I’ll add it to the list.
Red Rhone typically is GSM Grenache Syrah Mourvedre
http://www.rhone-wines.com/en/cepage
Depending upon the appellation, red Rhone wines are generally made from Grenache, Syrah, and/or Mourvedre.
That does sound familiar. I got it for thanksgiving two years ago.
Pie, that is true in the south of the Rhone. The North is Syrah-focused. St Joseph and Cornas are 100% Syrah, Hermitage is typically 100% Syrah (ditto Crozes-Hermitage) but can have a few percent of Marsanne and Roussanne, and Cote-Rotie also nearly 100% Syrah, but can have a few percent of Viognier.
had some Hermitage and Crozes-Hermitage. Not bad at all. And yes not like Romanian Syrah.
Que Syrah?
Whatever will be, will be.
I hate Rhone Syrah, but I can tolerate a few Aussie Shirazes.
Australia?
Austrilian “syrah” is a travesty. Grotesquely alcoholic and heavy.
Grotesquely alcoholic and heavy.-
What can I say? I like my wine, like I like my women.
Dark and bitter?
It’s a fighting wine. Particularly good in hand-to-hand combat.
Romanian blend most do is Cabernet Merlot and Feteasca Neagra. There was a blend of only local grapes but not really many explored this
This is the wine I want.
I did a search for Feteasca Neagra- pretty much unobtanium here.
Yorkshire makes sense. It’s the distal end of the Vampire Express, at Whitby.
No no, it continues on to Cumberland.
Spur line, more like.
lol. I only saw that in airport frees shops.
I saw a picture of Rotenberg in Silicon Valley barging his wine is available in the US. But he only makes Merlot and it is somewhat overpriced (on account, I assume, of the Jewishness)
Maybe here? http://www.totalwine.com/search/all?text=Feteasca%20Neagra
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TotalWine is a vendor over here that has to comply with our stupid booze laws, co I’m not surprised they geobanned you.
While the particular type of Feteasca Neagra OMWC was talking about isn’t there, they do have *some* Feteasca Neagras. I am going to try and pick up a few bottles for my daily red wine fix.
Wow, that’s available in Brookfield, WI! Thanks for turning it up, I’m going to make a run this weekend.
tell me what it is I mam curious
Recas Castle Feteasca Neagra and Recas La Putere Feteasca Neagra.
La Putere should be decent. Not among the best but quite ok, I would not be ashamed to serve it to a guest lets say. The other one should be at least drinkable if not particularly impressive.
Recas is among the better of the very big vineyards. Get a Cuvee Uberland if you can find it
Availability here is limited. If SP and I can make it to Romania, I’ll expect you to take us to some small and serious traditional producers.
C’mon. It’s totally the same.
You’d be surprised at the difference between shorter and hotter and longer and cooler growing seasons. Also that is why, as I said before, Pinot Noir rarely works in Dealu Mare, though many plant it.
*hands Pie a new Sarco-matic 5000*
Good article. A lot of fun information to sift through.
i got the sarcasm. But commented anyway
I’m not a wine drinker. You could hand me a glass of MD20/20 and tell me it’s a Bourdeax.
Pie and OMWC are here to help -MS. Just like you are with beer.
It can be a wonderful world of alcohol out there.
Right? I like beer, wine, spirits, coffee, ether…
Yes. We are all here to help.
Muwahahahahaha
Just like Yakima and Napa.
There’s a story that the French general who came to the aid of the Americans and helped end the Revolutionary War was given some ridiculous amount of land — 5000 acres? 50000 acres? anywhere in America he wanted. The story continues that his heirs found this unredeemed on his death and promptly took out an estate in North Florida because it was on the same approximate latitude and gets the same annual rainfall as some great grape country in France. You probably haven’t heard of the Lafayette Vinyards in North Florida.
Thanks for the article PITS. Very informative. I will try to track some of your recommendations down. If only so I can sound like some smug wine snob, “Well really, the best Romanian wines are produced in the foothills of the Carpathians by Rotenberg…”
”I GET BLACKBERRY, VANILLA… NOTES OF AUTUMN.”
I couldn’t find any of those on PA’s liquor store website. How about this one: https://www.finewineandgoodspirits.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10051&storeId=10051&productId=1946440&
read in the comments above what I think of Romanian Pinot Noir. Especially cheap export ones, destined for english students most likely. So yeah no
Saw that after I posted.
Yeah, we only have three available and they all look kinda “meh”. I’m thinking about filling out a special order form to see if they can get something good. Or I’ll just drive half an hour and see what I can find in Delaware/Maryland/New Jersey.
Cool post. I’m not a wine person. But, you gave a pretty good description and made it interesting. Thanks.
of there are plenty more coming :D. Once I get started on wine…
I like the Back stories as well, a History lesson one might say,
Thanks again Pie!
For you winos, Vivino is a fun app to snap pics of your wine bottles so you having a running list of things you have tried. You can rate the wine and it will build a taste profile of your preferences. I recently learned while reading Whirlwind, that Persia/Iran used to be famous for their wine, but the revolution squashed that. Did any of you…seasoned persons try Persian wine before it was lost? Thanks for the write up Pie. I’ll look for some Romanian wine next time I’m at the shop.
i have vivino but don’t much trust the reviews I find. works better as sort of a diary.
I had Lebanese wine and Turkish wine and Israeli wine as the most middle eastern.
Worst wine I ever had was from Kazakhstan. It made the fermented mare milk seem palatable.
Musar is the nectar of gods. Too bad it’s been discovered and gotten pricey. The ’70 might be one of the two or three greatest red wines I’ve ever tasted.
This: http://www.totalwine.com/search/all?text=Chateau+Musar+Red
Unlike the Dracula wine, Musar is actually available in PA in our crappy state run distributor. The 2007 is on clearance actually for $15, so I know what I’m buying after work.
Age it. Seriously. At a minimum, decant and let it air for an hour or two.
I ordered 4 bottles, I’m picking them up after work. I’ll open one tonight, but I’ll definitely decant it properly, I’ll cellar the other three. I figured for $15 I may as well stock up.
do you have proper cellar temperature? My cellar is not really a cellar because it is partially above ground, and I though it was ok for wine keeping until I put a min max thermometer and saw the summer temp gets up to 25. After that I bought a wine cooler to keep it a steady 12.
I’m in an apartment, I don’t have a “cellar” at all. I do have a large wine cooler and a corner of my parents basement that I can store wine, and some beers as long as I can hide them from my father. So these will be in my cooler for now, and transferred to my parents next time I visit. *insert obligatory joke about 25° being to cold to store wine because it would freeze*
I never care about reviews. I wish I had Vivino like 5 years ago. I’ve had some good wines I can’t remember the name of.
Worst wine I ever had was when Dad bought me a bottle of “white merlot”.
Seems like those mountain slopes would be good for German style Rieslings and Gewürztraminers.
kinda hot compared to Germany. In Transylvania there are Germans and Austrians who started vineyards and plant both Rhine Riesling and Gewürztraminers. But most Romania Italian Riesling is the norm, it is a very productive and rather easy to maintain grape for descent whites. Rhine Riesling is a novelty
The temperatures look to be about comparable to the ones here in Ohio, and most of our local vineyards go for Rieslings and other sweet wines. Most seem to be fairly well received, but I’m out of my depth commenting on wine besides knowing what I like.
I have to disagree with Rieslings and other sweet wines. Rieslings is not a sweet wine. No wine is. it depends how you make it. Some areas and grapes are better for sweet wine cause the wine can have high sugar while keeping reasonably high acidity, and maybe a more aromatic grape as well. A sweet wine with no acidity is kinda flat and cloying if that is the word.
I’m going off what little I know about wines, that the Rieslings that I have had have tended towards being sweet (which can work well in the summer). But again, I know beer and whisk(e)y, wine I have not yet invested the money or liver capacity to learning well.
Cloying would be the appropriate word. The girlfriend likes the (to me) overly sweet and syrupy ice wines that are also made here, which I would describe as cloying as well. The biggest winery in the northern Ohio region would be Debonne Vineyards, which probably has the largest selection. There’s a lot of smaller ones that focus on lots of sweet dessert wines, or other fruits (such as blackberry, cherry, peach, etc).
My wife only drinks those cloying sweet Rieslings too
Rieslings (in general) are too dry for the girlfriend… she may try a glass of Prosecco or Moscato, depending on the sweetness, but she loves ice wines.
Prosecco or Moscato,? Prosecco is dry and Moscato is sweet if it Moscato d’Ast. huh?
The ones she’ll try on the Prosecco and Moscato are the mass market ones on the American shelves (Barefoot is one of the brands that I know she’s liked). I’m willing to bet they’re sweeter than the style guidelines say.
Moscato used to be her go-to, but she doesn’t like it quite THAT sweet anymore.
http://winefolly.com/review/alsace-wine-region/
Bone dry Rieslings from France.
Awesome.
I like Alsace Riesling, but that is cool climate. They also maker Pinot Noir.
Gewurztraminer from Alsace is pretty good as well.
And you can put it on your pancakes if you run out of syrup.
No. Just like Riesling, Gewurtz from Alsace is bone dry. Very, very aromatic. It is a lovely wine.
I do enjoy a really dry Riesling. Alsace also has a really interesting history, being a border state between two large belligerents.
All the unwilling nutrients in the soil.
You can really taste the cruelty.
FM: *sips wine* I’m getting blitzkrieg and white flag…
Someone asked if our wines were vegan.
Lol
What you need is cool weather, slopes, and slate.
I’ve had some really good upstate NY Rieslings and Gewürzs. Easy stuff to drink a lot of while enjoying food.
Buffalo and Finger Lakes are terrific areas. Riesling for sure (cough, cough, Dr. Frank), but some of the hybrids (Foch, Seyval) are excellent and real bargains, and one of the very best American Pinot Noirs I’ve ever had came from Buffalo.
FWIW, SP and I use Bully Hill wines as our daily drinker.
The Hair! SuperHero!
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/02/trump-would-have-stopped-shooter.html
That story is hilarious. Best detail: Trump was on his way to a Paula Abdul concert at the time.
I remember I lived just off Park Avenue when I first got to New York in the early 1990’s, and once you got further uptown than the 60’s, you really wouldn’t want to walk it if it was dark. While I never got mugged, I had some pretty hair-raising moments when I was innocently walking back to my apartment on 76th.
My mom has some funny/scary stories of living in Manhattan in the early ’70s (1973-74, I think).
Well, my first visit to NYC was in ’81, and that was terrifying.
It was a lot better by the 90’s, but you still had to be pretty streetwise, even though people used to walk around after dark with a Sony Walkman and headphones. SMDH
When I was a young kid in the early ’80s, we lived on Long Island and every now and then mom would take me on the LIRR with her to visit her sister in Manhattan. Two memories of those little day trips stand out in my mind:
1)I thought graffiti was just the way they painted the trains because they were all covered with it in those days. It was all very colorful, so I liked it, and I couldn’t understand why my parents would talk about how it was such a disgrace.
2)I could always tell when we were getting really close to the city by a dramatic increase the the frequency of the burned out, stripped down cars I could see near the tracks. There were a LOT of them back then.
Always loved going into the city, but then I didn’t realize what a shithole it still was at the time.
Paul Masson, the California Champagne, or AHHHHhhhhhh GTFO
“A rich, full bodied wine, sensibly priced at a dollar a jug”
What da word?
Thunderbird!
What da price?
Fiddy twice!
Once I saw this wino who was eating grapes, and I said, “Dude, you have to wait”
/Hedberg
+1 receipt for a donut
Rice is a good choice when you want to eat a thousand of something
“I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too.”
M.H
i saw him at the Warner Theater 13 years ago. a really long act with some odd moments. he laid on the stage after a while. it was like he didn’t have enough material for the rest of the time allotted for his show.
50 great Mitch Hedberg jokes on what would’ve been his 50th birthday
Funny dude.
So what to people drink?
My cellar is full of: Tempranillo (Ribera Del Duero ) and Garnachas; Bordeaux (mostly right bank); Brunello Di Montalcino and Barolo; and handful of Super Tuscans; Napa Cabs; Aussie Cabs and Shirazes.
I hate Rhone wines and Malbec from S America.
3 or 4 super tuscans, some moderately good pinot noirs, and some solid Argentinian malbecs that I picked up.
Couple bottles of zinfandel, and some odd bottles that people bring along as offerings for dinner parties. Usually, they get used for cooking or my ‘one-a-night-red-wine-therapy’.
Zin is another red I generally dislike
An evening with me and I could convert you.
We could set up in neutral territory and share a few bottles.
Nope, we need to be near my cellar. Trust me on this.
My knee/quad should be back to normal by mid to late summer.
TMI dude. T.M.I.
Surgery tomorrow.
I won’t be travelling much for a few months.
Least of all to OMWC’s
dungeoncellar.But – hope the surgery goes well.
thanks
An evening with me and I could convert you.
You left off the, “No homo”.
Kinnath’s age, gender and experience are probably all disqualifiers.
To another (((religion)))?
An evening with me and I could convert you.
Coming from OMWC, that’s . . . . got a different spin on it.
I like Brunello and Super Tuscans myself, as well as a glass of port now and then
I’ve usually got a few bottles of reasonable port on hand, but I’m such a piker, I can’t bring myself to buy the really good port I crave. I have a bottle of pretty good Madeira to crack when I have company who will appreciate it.
Same here. I usually keep a bottle of OK port around the house, but for the good stuff I have to wait for the Sunday dinners at my parents’ house. My dad always has a very good port around.
I’m such a piker, I can’t bring myself to buy the really good port I crave.
I’m not terribly averse to spending significant sums of money, but the really good port is out of my price range.
For one of her wedding presents (the other was a Sig Sauer), I gave Mrs. Dean six bottles of what the aficionados were calling an excellent vintage of port (sorry, don’t recall the details). It was still pretty young, so it was affordable. I put a tag on each one, with our anniversary starting with our 25th and going through our 50th. It will be time to crack open the first one in five years, but I may advance the schedule so we open it this year.
i generally like to try new things so I don’t drink a certain thing. Also I am I assume considerably poorer then you lot so I cannot afford so many expensive wines. I love Maroon and Barolo though on the special occasions I get it. I like more old world wines overall than new world… And I also drink a bunch of Romanian and Moldavian wine.
I drink most anything.
https://www.vivino.com/wines/4424864
I had this Chianti the other night and really enjoyed it. Number 6, I had a bottle of Graham’s 30 year old tawny, but I find I like the ruby better and it’s cheaper.
Chianti’s fine with a meal, and a Classico, once it gets out a bit in age (5+ years) is hard to get wrong. I have this impression that the Sangiovese grapes are very forgiving. If I had my druthers, and Europe wasn’t going to shit, I could totally see myself retiring to Tuscany.
Tawny and ruby ports will run out to 30 or 40 years and then there’s not much improvement. I’m OK with a tawny as a dessert wine, but I find they don’t have the ‘rock’em sock’em body of a ruby for just a separate, flavorful drink. You can lay bottles down, but they’re built for consumption about the time you buy them. A 30 year tawny should be drunk within a few years – it isn’t going to improve if you lay it down. That’s what real vintage ports are for.
One of the little secrets of the biz is to look for crusted ports. Some of them are remarkably good, even though they’re blended, and most importantly, they’re often blended to age faster, and hence they’re cheaper. The downside is that there’s no point in laying down crusted ports – drink them reasonably promptly – they won’t get much better than they are when you get your hands on ’em.
Tawny Port, Mead of all kinds, Aged Rum, cheap Sake, Soju, Plum Wine.
There’s a recent indy trend of making mead with hops and carbonated that I’m not entirely on board with but they’re a nice change of pace.
Fuck all the brewers that think hops needs to go in mead or cider.
I make mead — lot’s of it.
I make a nice session mead (9% ABV) which I carbonate. Sometimes I keg; sometimes I bottle condition.
There is hope… it looks like the gruit style of beer may be one of the next trends in brewing.
There are several meaderies around me that have jumped onto sweet meads with a passion. I just picked up the girlfriends first club order from there which included:
A barrel aged Key Lime Pie mead made in Collaboration with Cigar City brewing
A Baklava flavored mead
A mixed berry (Black Currant, Raspberry, Strawberry) mead
A pear and cardamom mead
(all of the above are carbonated)
A Vanilla Cinnamon mead
A traditional wildflower mead.
For the dry hopped meads I’ve tried, it really depends on what hops you’re using. Too many go with Centennial which can bring out a medicinal taste if overused.
Mead with hops sounds like an abomination to me. I’d try it, but I’d be surprised if it wasn’t awful.
I prefer a drier mead, but that’s mostly from the yeast (when I was brewing mead, I used a champagne yeast). I would bottle it like beer, so it was sparkling mead. Frickin’ awesome. I generally did a batch every year for during the holidays, and made a cranberry mead that would rest until the next holiday season.
Cranberry mead with Thanksgiving dinner. Damn, I may have to start doing that again.
Boone’s Farm … They make the finest blue wine in the world. I dare you to find me a better blue wine.
Ooh, I like Malbecs.
I splurged and bought a Bordeaux once and was surprised at how much fuller-bodied it was. One of the first times I could tell the difference between that and the cheaper reds I normally drink.
I ended up drinking Romanian wine in Budapest. I think all wines in that restaurant were made by ethnic Hungarians in Romania.
Balla Geza is a Hungarian-Romanian vineyard s makes good wine. They have a good Feteasca Neagra and a good pure Cabernet Franc, one of the few in Romania.
Meanwhile in Michigan: Muskrat swims past office window
Muskrat Love
I was going to say “Toni Tennille hardest hit” but apparently that wasn’t grounds for the divorce.
You build near a river in a place called Grand Rapids…
These days I drink Aldi “Winking Owl” wine. If I’m going upscale, Bota box wine. Chardonnay in the summer, Merlot in the fall/winter.
I’ve cut back on my drinking – by leaps and bounds – and usually only have 2-3 adult beverages a week.
o/t: From Ace of Spades, the dreaded pump-action AR-15
150 comments. Is that enough for you, PIE!?
OT: Can this story get any worse?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/26/florida-emergency-medical-teams-frustrated-over-delay-in-parkland-school-shooting-response.html
I’ve realized that the facts of this case don’t really matter to anyone.
Michael Malice said it best: “Urban whites feel greater solidarity with the imaginary country of Wakanda than they do with concealed-carry locales within America.”
That is really what it comes down to isn’t? Most of this insanity is driven by urban whites. Inner city poor people, while reliable Dem voters, are much more likely to care about getting a job, keeping their money and sending their kids to a non-shitty school. The endless virtue signaling, pseudo-Marxist propaganda and anti-Enlightenment thinking comes almost exclusively from academics and city-dwelling people of pallor. It must be miserable to feel so guilty that you’d rather enter into a figurative suicide pact than learn to think rationally.
It’s hardly even “psuedo” anymore. A lot of it is just straight up full blown Marxism, no qualifiers needed.
Also “people of pallor” lol i’m stealing that
Social justice is a tool of the moralizing bourgeois.
100 years ago they were rounding people up on the streets and making them attend Temperance Meetings.
Inner city poor people “care about…sending their kids to a non-shitty school.”
For urban whites, wherever they send the offspring is non-shitty – only “other” people have shitty schools. IMHO this is playing into their failure to accept the horrific failures of the entire system.
Urban whites have complaints about their schools. But, only when poor kids are able to access their schools. Then it’s a problem. Just look at uber-progressive Samantha Bee’s husband who is leading the campaign to keep poor kids out of his elite public school. This is the real reason why the oppose vouchers.
I had missed the Samantha Bee story – thanks.
Apparently, diversity is only for the little people.
I’m becoming convinced that being a proggy/liberal is essential to many of their identities, which is (a) why they lash out so irrationally when challenged and (b) why they are compelled to look down on/loathe their fellows who do not share their views.
I’m about done trying to engage with them – I might give it one try, so I could say I did, and then it straight to “Fuck off, slaver”. Getting a proggy/liberal to change their mind on any policy grounds is impossible – they basically have to go through a religious crisis/conversion first.
Probably. There was a link to the ‘cocaine babe’, though.
‘“It pains me to know that my defining years of womanhood will be spent in prison halfway around the world,” she stated at the time. “This will haunt me for the rest of my life.”’
I think your defining years of womanhood were spent doing porn.
If I was going to smuggle drugs, I’d make sure it was a massive haul, and a once-only job, with cutouts. As soon as you’re on the anti-drug radar, you’re as good as caught. “Aging porn star” has got to be the biggest red flag there is.
I volunteer to help her define her womanhood
Looks like you’ll have to hang around outside the hoosegow for 4 and a half years at least.
Good point, I’m too lazy for that
I’m sure she was in the newspapers a couple years back, when she was in CA, in an expensive car, posting selfies and shit pumping up her media presence.
If so, she’s gotta be the dumbest porn star ever whelped, which is saying something.
Wut about muh muscadines?
I don’t drink enough to be a wine snob.
Dammit
Easily remedied.
You don’t have to drink a lot to be a snob. You just have to care about the wine you drink.
I’d probably end up like that character in Sideways, screaming “NO FUCKING MERLOT” outside of restaurants.
I tell people that line is somewhat wrong. I have a lovely Super Tuscan that is 100% merlot. People need to bitch about winemakers not wine grapes.
Off topic. Fake News
http://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Iowa-ranked-1-state-in-the-country-475281773.html
U.S. News & World Report has ranked Iowa the #1 state in the country based on eight categories – health care, education, economy, opportunity, infrastructure, crime and corrections, fiscal stability and quality of life.
I live here, and I don’t buy this.
Ive already debunked this. Only one stat matters, immigration. If people are leaving your state in droves or you have hordes moving in, that’s the revealed preference of the majority.
But the majority CAN be objectively wrong.
Sure, but we are talking about a subjective best, not an objective best.
http://wqad.com/2017/06/07/iowa-grows-illinois-shrinks-according-to-new-u-s-census-estimate/
Iowa’s population has grown by 208,369 people since the 2000 Census. That keeps Iowa ranked 30th in population with the 2016 estimate of 2,134,693 people. Most of the state’s growth has come from people moving to the metro areas of the state, mainly in and around Iowa City and Des Moines.
Apparently, we are no longer shedding a large portion of our population every year.
Ames is consistently ranked high on best college town/small cities lists – horse feathers.
Iowa is God’s country. Good people there. And the State is well managed.
I choose to be here.
Great article Pie – looking forward to hearing more!
Currently drinking Wayne Gretzky Estates from the Niagara valley. Grape variety Back Noir. Pretty darn enjoyable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baco_noir
Also ripping through a Langhe by La Morra:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Morra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langhe
I just may give Romanian wine a shot. I recently had Lebanese and was pleasantly surprised.
And Swiss….I saw your comment up thread…./narrows gaze.
By Beni di Batasiolo FROM La Morra.
You know, you can drink non-Italian wine varieties.
Not following.
I drink plenty of wines from all over the world.
I’m no expert like OMWC, but I’ve been around a few wine experts in my day.
A college with its own vineyard.
https://www.duesantirosso.com
I’ve drunk the Cab, and it’s not bad at all.
Cool.
I also have this on the docket from the Douro region:
http://www.lcbo.com/lcbo/product/veedha-douro-red/255851#.WpXVz2YZO8U
Looks nice.
The reason I posted that link is that LSD will be treading the grapes for the 2018 vintage.
LSD? Treading?
“The 2015 wine is a vibrant ruby color with a fetching aroma of fresh currant dried cherry and a hint of tobacco.”
Sounds intriguing. I wonder if they ship to Canada?
Doesn’t look like it. The question is do I get it sent to my PO Box in Plattsburgh?
Decisions, decisions.
Not at the moment – all the exports are going to a Californian shipper. The vineyard is only about 6 acres.
It’s not cheap either. She might get an extra special discount as being one of the viniculturalists, but I doubt it. It’s more likely she’ll come back an alcoholic.
Having said that, I drank some of their ‘pre-release’ 2012 in 2016, and it had a good, ‘hearty’ body, not as big and bold as a Super Tuscan, but a very nice drink. The guys running the show over there seem to know what they’re doing.
I’ll probably buy a case of the 2018 when it comes available and lay it down without telling her.
How much are they asking? Unless I missed it, I don’t see prices disclosed.
Wow. $25 a bottle.
Needs to be damned good.
“While you may say many a things of the EU, the point I would make is this. If you happen to be in it, subject to all the rules and such, you might as well make the best of the funding available. This may split libertarians, but I am of a view that if the state is going to tax and spend, it is better to at least get something out of that spending.”
Well, wasn’t that the purpose of the EU? And if Romania – or any other country – takes advantage of it for the betterment of an industry, good on them.
Shorter me: If they’re giving it, take it.
“Most of the wines regions of Romania are currently in the foothills of the Carpathian Mountains and some plateaus in Transylvania.”
Transylvania? Vampires make wine now? And it’s safe to drink?
Dammit. No time to read now, but I’m certain this will be interesting.
Just had time to read through, Pie. Thanks! Very enjoyable article. I look forward to hearing more.
If you ever find yourself in the States, please know you are always welcome at Chez OMWC/SP. We’ll dig the good stuff out of the cellar for you!
I got some time to read the article. I like it.
Let me know if for the next you want something about grapes and actual wines or a bit more history and culture.
Yes. Yes please.